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Post by Lahey's Lucky Star on Jun 4, 2014 18:51:18 GMT -5
Last good country crossover?? - I'm thinking If I Die Young I'd say "Wanted".
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Post by devilbot07 on Jun 4, 2014 19:03:03 GMT -5
I actually loved what they did on Cruise. But doing the same thing for TIHWR is kinda desperate, I think. :|
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Post by Glove Slap on Jun 4, 2014 19:26:34 GMT -5
Part of me pains me to say this, but these fellas have played a massive part in popularizing Country (and yes, despite what you grew up on, this is contemporary country for all intents and purposes today) among younger people today. It'd be wrong to say it's solely them, Bryan and Aldean are important too, but it's them that I heard blaring from many young crowds when I was back in the states. Crowds who would never dare to play Taylor Swift in public. I agree with you, but it's so sad that this music is even considered country (contemporary or not) in the first place (and I'm talking about the original version of this song). Aside from their southern/southeastern twang (with them of course being from Florida and Georgia), there's nothing country about their material, and a little bit of a southern accent in a person's singing voice shouldn't automatically mean their music is country. The entire culture of 'bro-country' is a stark contrast to the traditional values of 'regular' (for lack of a better word) country music. Country music always use to pride itself on well-written songs and real life stuff that people could relate to (cheating, addiction, relationships, rural life perspectives, etc), but bro-country songs are generally about partying and getting laid with the first hottie one sees. Most "bro" songs are just mindless songs about good times and parties. I don't know what genre I would classify it as, but I don't consider it (or FGL) country in the slightest. Unfortunately, since the parties they sing about take place in the backwoods or at a river bank or in a field, they've been marketed as country from the start. But sonically and lyrically, I just don't hear it (again, aside from the southern accents, but that's not enough to classify something as country, IMO). I listened to the Derulo remix and it's laughably bad. Even if they someday release a halfway decent, halfway country-sounding song, I don't know if I could ever like it. I'm sure that, in person, they are nice guys, but I've hated all their material so far and I cannot stand Tyler's vocals in the first place, so.. I understand your points, but imo there's some things to keep in mind. This music isn't really "meant" to appeal to an older crowd imo and it's not really trying to. Of course there's nothing wrong with or anything stopping older individuals from doing so, but this is the first time that contemporary country music has been so squarely aimed at a younger generation. To specify which crowd I'm talking about, I mean the group from high school through several years post-college (let's say 16-28). That's why there's so many "party songs" in this subset, it's very honed in on one crowd. I've seen articles and people champion people like Miranda Lambert and Carrie Underwood as people properly representing country, but I don't think those two are aiming for the same crowd that much. Those two are pushing for an older audience, and casually picking up some younger ones. I think that's where some of the negative reactions from older individuals is coming. There is real increasing generation gap not just in country music, but its marketing. It'd be wrong to say that generation gaps have never existed in country music before. They have, but the one now is a lot bigger and stronger than say the one in the 90s during the Garth/Tim/Brooks & Dunn era. As for the point about "rural life perspectives", small-town America has been in decline for many years and it was pretty much going to show up in marketing soon. I think this is part of the reason why country has been sounding "bigger" sonically in the past few years. It's no longer country artists competing with other country artists. I've personally met many many people that are as likely to play a Rihanna record, a Zedd record, a Kendrick Lamar record at a party as they are from FGL or Luke. The younger generation has grown up with more types and genres of music around them, and this further compounded by being exposed to many types of music through being raised in the age of the internet and an increasingly metropolitan angle. I'm not generally a fan of this music itself, but I'd be lying if I said that this development hasn't been interesting to watch. This is a genre that for years, after 9/11 and the rise of that new traditionalist period, was seen as music for rednecks and hicks by a lot of metropolitan and urban areas. It appeared incompatible. Even as people like Gretchen Wilson and Carrie Underwood were moving a lot of units in the mid-00s, this perception still held. "Regular" country music was seen as outdated by more and more younger individuals. Eventually, you get to the point where the influence of the post 9/11 period is very weak among the youngest potential customers (the ones who grew up during the rise of the internet and far far far more exposure to different music than previous generations) because they were so young during that time period. There was an entire audience that it seemed that the country industry was not only not getting much of, but that it seemed that it didn't have much of a chance to get due to so much multi-genre competition. And then in the last few years thanks to certain acts like these guys (and Taylor as well) that's all changed. That blaring gap in the market has been claimed, when many thought it couldn't be. It's not the country music industry of the 90s, or even the 00s. This is the country music industry in the age where most revenue doesn't come from record sales; the age of 360 deals, endorsement deals and massive tours. It's not for the rural and communal circles of old. It's for a generation that has had "individuality" as a big buzzword over them. And as an industry, it's not only surviving, but thriving. It'll also be interesting to see how acts like FGL try to retain this audience as they get older, but that's a bridge that is still in the distance for now. But almost all the comparisons and rants I've seen about "career" artists and how things were done in the past is...mostly not well thought out imo. The crowd that is digging these guys will eventually grow up, and if they don't manage to retain them, there's going to be a massive opportunity for other, newer, acts with more mature material to do so. An opportunity that probably would not have been there if these guys weren't doing what they are doing now.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 19:53:44 GMT -5
^Some good thoughts, but the thing about the younger 12-20something demo is that it was never the target demo for country radio until recently. The target demo for the past couple of decades has always been 35-54 year-olds, especially females. I agree that country has often unfortunately been stereotyped as music for "hicks" and "rednecks" but to be honest, that 'group' or w/e you want to call it is and always has been a small segment of the population in terms of country music fans. I grew up in rural Iowa, a town of less than 2500 people, and everybody there pretty much loves country music, but there were only a few people who were of the "redneck" hillbilly sort (lol, I hate to stereotype but I don't know how else to put it). I think the main reason country radio has changed is because it's all corporate now...Clear Channel and Cumulus want ratings and so they've progressively tried to capture more listeners. Songs like "Cruise" and Cole Swindell's "Chillin' It" started getting satellite radio play long before either artist (FGL or Cole) was signed to a major label, and the sales showed that such songs were selling more than most other traditional country songs. I'm generalizing here, but I feel that those songs sold more not only because they appealed to fans of multiple genres, but also because they were catchy tunes that the younger crowd could enjoy. Country, at least as a radio genre, is fracturing. Cumulus and Big Machine recently announced a new label/format that will be targeted more towards the 90's/00's country sound and it seems like the label aspect of it will sign artists like Clay Walker, Alan Jackson, Jo Dee Messina, Clint Black (etc) who were big 10-20 years ago and still make new music but have been forced off country radio due to new 'trends' and apparent ageism expressed by country radio program directors. They haven't rolled out this new "adult" country format yet but it's going to be happening soon and, at least at the start, I expect Cumulus to flip several country stations to this more 'adult' country format. Everywhere I go online, I see it: fans arguing about country music, hundreds of people claiming on YouTube, iTunes, review sites, etc. that country music is dead. The rebuttal always seems to be "country music has evolved" or "who cares whether it's country or not? It sounds good and I love it" yada yada. Many teens and college-aged people don't know what older country sounded like. Even people like Garth and Shania are 'old' to them. This new type of 'country' is basically the only country music that they've known, so it's really no surprise that the younger crowd eats this stuff up...they don't really know country music's history or what it sounded like a decade or two ago. I'm only 24 myself but I cannot stand the direction that country radio has gone in. Lately we're seeing some of the 90's/00's acts (such as Alan Jackson and Dwight Yoakam) make albums marketed as bluegrass music, even though the albums are basically a hybrid of bluegrass and country. Problem is, bluegrass as a radio format is so small it's almost non-existent. But I know both Alan and Dwight have won some Americana/Bluegrass awards because they've marketed recent projects to that genre--a genre which will hold on to some of the more traditional country sounds/lyrics--since what should be their home format (country radio) has completely abandoned them. In a perfect world, a lot of the newer 'country' music from the likes of FGL and Luke would break off into its own genre (something like party/club music or I don't even know what you'd want to call such a genre). FGL, to me, doesn't seem to fit in any single genre. They're not pop, they're not rock, they're not AC, but I don't find them to be country either. I know there is already dance/club music, but oh well. They have virtually nothing in common with the country music of the last 50 years, so I just wish they'd get off my radio and go somewhere else. Oh, speaking of my remark about online comments, check out the Facebook comments for the currently-airing CMT Awards. CMT posted "Best Awards Show Opening Ever!! ZZ Top, Florida Georgia Line, Luke Bryan, and Jason Derulo!" The vast majority of the comments are things like "I thought this was supposed to be country", "rap is not country", "Really? Shouldn't you all at least have waited until Merle and Willie and Kris and Loretta had passed on, before you killed country music?" So much of the really popular, hot-selling digital singles and big radio hits nowadays are not even remotely similar to what was played on country radio just 4-5 years ago. I get it...genres changes and do go through cycles, but the way I see it, country radio is playing a completely different genre nowadays. There are still some songs with country elements but they are fewer and far between. ETA: Sorry, I know this is long but I wanted to add a recent quote in Country Aircheck from Cumulus CEO Lew Dickey:
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Post by maine on Jun 4, 2014 20:47:29 GMT -5
Looks like this was produced by Ricky Reed of Wallpaper. (Producer of "Talk Dirty" & "Wiggle")
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Post by Au$tin on Jun 4, 2014 22:25:42 GMT -5
Last good country crossover?? - I'm thinking If I Die Young Sadly, I think you're right. Unless we're counting "Wanted" by Hunter Hayes, but it failed to make the top 20 on pop. It still had pretty good longevity, though.
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Post by itsurfriendjoel on Jun 4, 2014 22:27:32 GMT -5
I was horrified when I saw this on iTunes a few minutes ago, and I instantly had to come here to see the hate comments, lol. Honestly, it isn't as bad as I thought it would be, though. I definitely prefer it to the original, but that isn't saying much of course. At least they took out the rapping part, which I thought was the weakest, goofiest part of the original song. This sounds like it would somewhat enjoyable to listen to while drunk, which I think is what they were going for. I can't see this doing anything on the radio, though, except for the some Top 40 radio stations (the same ones that played they hell out of the "Cruise" remix when it came out).
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Post by Lahey's Lucky Star on Jun 4, 2014 23:11:54 GMT -5
Last good country crossover?? - I'm thinking If I Die Young Sadly, I think you're right. Unless we're counting "Wanted" by Hunter Hayes, but it failed to make the top 20 on pop. It still had pretty good longevity, though. It's still a good country crossover.
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Post by circadian on Jun 4, 2014 23:33:22 GMT -5
Shoot me, but I'm loving the remix.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 23:35:48 GMT -5
Holy shit lmao it's so bad that I... kind of like it for the comedy factor.
This is wild as hell
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 4, 2014 23:53:26 GMT -5
Everywhere I go online, I see it: fans arguing about country music, hundreds of people claiming on YouTube, iTunes, review sites, etc. that country music is dead. The rebuttal always seems to be "country music has evolved" or "who cares whether it's country or not? It sounds good and I love it" yada yada. Many teens and college-aged people don't know what older country sounded like. Even people like Garth and Shania are 'old' to them. This new type of 'country' is basically the only country music that they've known, so it's really no surprise that the younger crowd eats this stuff up...they don't really know country music's history or what it sounded like a decade or two ago.I'm only 24 myself but I cannot stand the direction that country radio has gone in. Lately we're seeing some of the 90's/00's acts (such as Alan Jackson and Dwight Yoakam) make albums marketed as bluegrass music, even though the albums are basically a hybrid of bluegrass and country. Problem is, bluegrass as a radio format is so small it's almost non-existent. But I know both Alan and Dwight have won some Americana/Bluegrass awards because they've marketed recent projects to that genre--a genre which will hold on to some of the more traditional country sounds/lyrics--since what should be their home format (country radio) has completely abandoned them. In a perfect world, a lot of the newer 'country' music from the likes of FGL and Luke would break off into its own genre (something like party/club music or I don't even know what you'd want to call such a genre). FGL, to me, doesn't seem to fit in any single genre. They're not pop, they're not rock, they're not AC, but I don't find them to be country either. I know there is already dance/club music, but oh well. They have virtually nothing in common with the country music of the last 50 years, so I just wish they'd get off my radio and go somewhere else.I could add to this but I would basically be just repeating Jamie with different words. In short I could not agree more with these three paragraphs, especially the lines I highlighted. Excellent post as always.
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Post by Au$tin on Jun 5, 2014 0:14:59 GMT -5
Honestly, I think country music has evolved as a whole so much that it's high time for it to split up. AC, Hot AC, Pop, Rhythmic, Urban, and Urban AC are all very closely related to each other. In fact, they're pretty much different spectrums of the same genre of music. Same goes for Alternative, Rock, AAA, and Active. Yet Country is still just... Country. It needs to split up because country music has evolved into having its own subsets now. Luke Bryan and Florida Georgia Line are in a different subgenre of country compared to Lady Antebellum and Gloriana, for example. Carrie Underwood and Taylor Swift also stand out in a different light from them. Then you have the likes of Alan Jackson, Tim McGraw, and Toby Keith all representing different subgenres of country all together!
I'd say country needs to split up into these subsets in terms of radio formats:
AC Country - A lot of the mid-late 2000s crossovers would find themselves at home here and the songs that continue to follow that sound. Country Pop - Hits from the "bro country" subgenre would fit in here. Also some potential crossovers from the likes of Carrie Underwood, Miranda Lambert, and Taylor Swift would make their way here too. Much like what the country chart currently looks like, but tweaked a bit. Country/Western - The likes of Alan Jackson, Dwight Yokam, Tim McGraw would fit into this category. Alt Country - Kacey Musgraves would fit in here along with some other harder hitting, cutting edge country music. Stuff that doesn't fit into the "bro country" sound, but probably wouldn't be liked by many older country fans either.
It's already happening to the country format as a whole anyway. We have dozens of country stations in my area, but they all have a slightly different sound to them. I know that 99.3 would likely go country pop, whereas 95.7 is definitely leaning more towards AC country. There's also 107.9 which is pretty alt country heavy, but also leans a bit country pop. And 94.3 is definitely the source for more of your traditional country (or in my examples, "Country/Western") sound.
Of course, there would be many artists and songs that would overlap the formats, but that happens with the other two main groups as well. Katy Perry has charted on all formats in the first group except Urban AC, for example, with the same song! You can also catch Linkin Park on nearly every one of the second group's formats. But they each play the song/artist a different amount and each have their own flavors as well. For example, Christina Perri and Ingrid Michaelson are a bit more prone to the AC and Hot AC side of the first group, and Disturbed is probably not going to be well received on AAA in the second group.
So, yeah, split up already, country.
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Post by कामसूत्र on Jun 5, 2014 0:23:21 GMT -5
I like the version with Jason DeRulo and Luke Bryan on it. But for some reason, it just doesn't feel single worthy. It feels like an album track or a mixtape track.
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Post by charismatic on Jun 5, 2014 0:26:10 GMT -5
maine well, they performed it at the CMT awards, which is promo, but the promo had zero impact. P.S: Never mind: they put an icon in the front page of Itunes. It's rising now.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2014 0:29:04 GMT -5
Honestly, I think country music radio has evolved devolved as a whole so much that it's high time for it to split up. There's been some talk about this in the country forum. And actually, Big Machine and Cumulus have partnered to create a new "Nash Icons" label that will basically focus on artists from the 90's and 00's and will play newer stuff from said artists (Alan Jackson, Toby Keith, Lee Ann Womack, etc) as well. Here's a Billboard article "Did Cumulus just fragment country radio?" on the topic: www.billboard.com/biz/articles/news/radio/6084955/ross-on-radio-did-cumulus-just-fragment-country-radioI think that in the next year or two we will see a bunch of Cumulus stations flipping to "classic" country (or w/e they'll call it) while other stations will rebrand as "contemporary" country. Eventually I can see CBS, Clear Channel, and many other stations following suit. But that's getting off-topic, so I'll just leave it at that..
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Post by jjose712 on Jun 5, 2014 10:19:14 GMT -5
I find very interesting some of the comments. I like some country music, but i'm from Spain, so frankly my knowledge is very limited. The last country songs that made an impact in the spanish radio were I need you now, and before that Not ready to make nice.
What i like about country is there's a tendency to tell a story, and i miss that in a lot of pop songs. Of course i don't empathise that much with songs about trucks and tractors. In the country chart payola works at full time. It's curious because it seems women are the main audience, but on the other hand women had a hard time getting a hit on that chart (with Miranda and Carrie as exceptions) and new artist (even someone so hyped as Hunter Hayes) generally don't break the top 10 barrier easily. And i still have the bad feeling that if a song doesn't have a "mainstream" message gets ignored. Follow your arrow had good sales, but country radio totally ignored it.
In my opinion FGL can have a chance to do it again because the style and the lyrics are in sync with a lot of pop songs, like all Pitbull collaborations
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Post by Lahey's Lucky Star on Jun 5, 2014 13:09:03 GMT -5
Au$tin It doesn't sound like a bad idea, considering the Spanish formats are among the same realm.
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Post by maine on Jun 5, 2014 13:14:03 GMT -5
maine well, they performed it at the CMT awards, which is promo, but the promo had zero impact. P.S: Never mind: they put an icon in the front page of Itunes. It's rising now. It's doing better than the "Drink to That All Night" remix :)
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Jun 5, 2014 13:14:41 GMT -5
maine well, they performed it at the CMT awards, which is promo, but the promo had zero impact. P.S: Never mind: they put an icon in the front page of Itunes. It's rising now. It's doing better than the "Drink to That All Night" remix :) I'll pray for you.
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Post by nick64 on Jun 5, 2014 14:37:29 GMT -5
Honestly, I think country music has evolved as a whole so much that it's high time for it to split up. AC, Hot AC, Pop, Rhythmic, Urban, and Urban AC are all very closely related to each other. In fact, they're pretty much different spectrums of the same genre of music. Same goes for Alternative, Rock, AAA, and Active. Yet Country is still just... Country. It needs to split up because country music has evolved into having its own subsets now. Luke Bryan and Florida Georgia Line are in a different subgenre of country compared to Lady Antebellum and Gloriana, for example. Carrie Underwood and Taylor Swift also stand out in a different light from them. Then you have the likes of Alan Jackson, Tim McGraw, and Toby Keith all representing different subgenres of country all together! I'd say country needs to split up into these subsets in terms of radio formats: AC Country - A lot of the mid-late 2000s crossovers would find themselves at home here and the songs that continue to follow that sound. Country Pop - Hits from the "bro country" subgenre would fit in here. Also some potential crossovers from the likes of Carrie Underwood, Miranda Lambert, and Taylor Swift would make their way here too. Much like what the country chart currently looks like, but tweaked a bit. Country/Western - The likes of Alan Jackson, Dwight Yokam, Tim McGraw would fit into this category. Alt Country - Kacey Musgraves would fit in here along with some other harder hitting, cutting edge country music. Stuff that doesn't fit into the "bro country" sound, but probably wouldn't be liked by many older country fans either. It's already happening to the country format as a whole anyway. We have dozens of country stations in my area, but they all have a slightly different sound to them. I know that 99.3 would likely go country pop, whereas 95.7 is definitely leaning more towards AC country. There's also 107.9 which is pretty alt country heavy, but also leans a bit country pop. And 94.3 is definitely the source for more of your traditional country (or in my examples, "Country/Western") sound. Of course, there would be many artists and songs that would overlap the formats, but that happens with the other two main groups as well. Katy Perry has charted on all formats in the first group except Urban AC, for example, with the same song! You can also catch Linkin Park on nearly every one of the second group's formats. But they each play the song/artist a different amount and each have their own flavors as well. For example, Christina Perri and Ingrid Michaelson are a bit more prone to the AC and Hot AC side of the first group, and Disturbed is probably not going to be well received on AAA in the second group. So, yeah, split up already, country. YES. I've been thinking this for a long time now, and it's completely true. Country appeals to many different types of people, and they need to start capitalizing on that. I have friends that like to drive around listening to Jason Aldean or Luke Bryan, and groan when someone like George Strait comes on. At the same time, I know a lot of people that enjoy artists like Lady Antebellum and Rascal Flatts, but hate Florida Georgia Line. If they want more universal approval, they need to segment the market. More artists would be successful, more listeners would be happy, and radio stations would probably have more listeners. It works out for everybody.
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Post by Kris on Jun 5, 2014 14:42:43 GMT -5
Honestly I don't get the hate for Cruise, I think people didn't like it just because it was different.
This isn't as good as cruise but it's by no stretch a very good song, I prefer the original but we'll see where this goes.
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Post by Au$tin on Jun 5, 2014 14:47:24 GMT -5
Honestly I don't get the hate for Cruise, I think people didn't like it just because it was different. I don't know about others, but I didn't like it because it was awful, not because it was "different."
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Post by surfy on Jun 5, 2014 14:59:14 GMT -5
I love diversity, but that wasn't the issue. The issue for me was the grating country rapping (his voice just annoys the crap out of me) and usually if songs have poorly written lyrics I can get past that, but I couldn't once again because of his voice! And in the remix I loved how the chorus was catchy (also in the original) but I hated the cheap production and overuse of autotune (especially when it comes off as cheesey and desperate) Nelly was decent on the track, but it really didn't add anything except and excuse for pop radio to play it! (But hey from a business standpoint it worked!) So I can't speak for all, but that's why I didn't like it...
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Post by lyhom on Jun 5, 2014 18:31:10 GMT -5
Oh dear god, the single cover is terrible, too.
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Post by divasummer on Jun 5, 2014 19:09:19 GMT -5
Lol, I wouldn't even know this was by a country artist if I didn't know who they were already. I would have just thought someone was using an annoying accent while rapping/sing talking through the song.
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Post by Mr. Thonk Eyes on Jun 5, 2014 20:51:29 GMT -5
Just heard this today and it is bad, and this is coming from someone who liked the Cruise remix
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Post by onefrayedrepublic on Jun 6, 2014 8:20:53 GMT -5
Yes! So excited for this. I even liked the original, but this is a big upgrade. My only concern is that this is going to potentially derail Drink To This All Night, which in a reasonable world will be our summer song of 2014.
FGL really need to do a remix with Flo Rida as well. Think about it...
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Post by kanimal on Jun 6, 2014 8:24:05 GMT -5
Republic's site only says "Impacts Top 40" on June 17, but it features the graphic under both Top 40 and Hot AC. Is the assumption that the Jason DeRulo version goes to Top 40 but one without him (but still remixed for pop) goes to Hot AC?
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Jun 6, 2014 8:24:35 GMT -5
Oh dear god, the single cover is terrible, too. They should have put a little more writing on it.
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