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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2014 10:25:22 GMT -5
what matters is a) whether or not we think another player caused Invincible's death; b) if so, why Invince; and c) possible reasons why should lead to speculation on who did it. Can everyone please answer the following? We need some more input.
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Post by josh on Jun 22, 2014 10:36:59 GMT -5
a. yes b. 1. he spammed the threads before, possibly wanting that not to happen. 2. he was being quiet this time, way different than before, could have been him as scum trying to not give things away. 3. he, at some point or another, becomes suspicious of everyone, so possibly trying to make it so he wouldn't be suspicious of scum at some point? (only applies if scum made the kill, ofc) c. is this a question? idgi
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2014 11:54:09 GMT -5
#Mod: to add to the D1 drama, nick64 has been replaced with popstop per request. The OP has been edited to reflect this.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jun 22, 2014 12:03:19 GMT -5
Lol, it's ok. With that said, I agree with your initial post in that flavour claiming is a good idea. So far, the people who have claimed and their claims: Josh - Jesus Christ aka Conchita Wurst Drag - Army of Brazilian Stans Lahey - Xi Jinping antigonerising/Cynthia - Bill Clinton Ginger (Me) - The Citizens of Rihanna's Forehead Nick - Penguin Codex - The Only Mexican That Matters (Shakira) Lozzy - An army of Gentiles Zebra - Princess jback - Beyonce? (He said he was a legend, which lead Cynthia to believe his flavour was Beyonce, but he didn't confirm) Invincible was confirmed "Predator" with the role of World Chemist That leaves Max and Landmarx. My flavour is Vladimir Putin. None of the above strikes me as having anything to do with viruses though off the top of my head. Except maybe Bill Clinton. Kunt could have a reverse sense of humour and maybe gave Jesus such an ability? what matters is a) whether or not we think another player caused Invincible's death; b) if so, why Invince; and c) possible reasons why should lead to speculation on who did it. Can everyone please answer the following? We need some more input. a. If I had to guess based on previous games and my knowledge of how mafia works, I'd say we're dealing with an independent or a situation like the last game I played in where there was a one-shot townie (josh). Do scum ever have the ability to have a day kill ability like this? b. There was little-to-nothing to go on. Invince may have just been random, which suggests more to me that whoever did the kill isn't town-aligned because with nothing to go off of, taking a random shot like that is more likely to strike town than non-town and wouldn't be in the best interest of town. Therefore, if the answer to the question I just asked in a. is 'no', we have an independent. c. no idea.
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Post by josh on Jun 22, 2014 12:08:33 GMT -5
Trying to deduce anything from flavours is pointless, imo. OP confirms scum was given safe claim flavour. The only thing would be if scum decided to use their actual flavour rather than the safe claim falvour, but it's all just big speculation. Using your time to search for actual evidence makes more sense.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jun 22, 2014 12:20:51 GMT -5
Trying to deduce anything from flavours is pointless, imo. OP confirms scum was given safe claim flavour. The only thing would be if scum decided to use their actual flavour rather than the safe claim falvour, but it's all just big speculation. Using your time to search for actual evidence makes more sense. Oh yeah, good point. I forgot all about the safe claim stuff. Ok, so scratch that theory I guess.
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Post by SuperLaLaLa~ on Jun 22, 2014 13:10:34 GMT -5
Day 1 begins. Deadline has been set for 6/30/2014 23:59:59 EDT. With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch. Cynthia: 1 (Codex) Josh: 3 (Max, jback, Landmarx) Lahey: 2 (Zebra, Lozzy) Landmarx: 1 (Josh) Lozzy: 2 (Ginger Spice, Lahey) Max: 1 (Cynthia) Zebra: 1 (Drag) Not voting: popstop
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2014 13:35:47 GMT -5
Calling bullshit on jback being BeyoncΓ©, unless Kunt hand-picked the flavors which I doubt.
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Post by Lozzy on Jun 22, 2014 13:38:07 GMT -5
For sake of answering; - yeah I think another player caused Invincible's death; it doesn't seem fair if the setup would cause someone to permanently die after 2 real-life days, even if he happened to have a whole bunch of powers to use or whatever. - I was going to say (and wrote out) that I agreed with Max on it being more likely to be from someone non-town, because an early kill isn't in town's best interest, but I'm now wondering if it could pro-town because it got us talking? I think that's less likely though, so assuming non-town; I don't see why mafia scum couldn't have a daykill (esp. in a non-conventional and/or large game), but I'd guess independent is more likely on the basis that mafia would have partners to consult with and I feel like everyone agreeing that it's a good idea wouldn't happen that early. - why Invincible? I actually can't think of a good reason, assuming from non-town. It could just be because he eventually got the right scum in the previous games, and/or that he becomes suspicious of everyone as josh said. It's easier to find the motives behind picking Invincible if it was a town misfire but I'm still going with non-town as more likely. but it's weird. I like that Invincible got us talking but there's certainly not lynch material out of it, glad we still have a lot of time. lol that nobody's voted on this page or last. I don't want to keep a weak vote for too long but I've re-read and it's the best I have, so it will stay. and welcome popstop, though it's weird to see nick request replacement because he's played in pretty much every game ever and I don't recall him doing so before
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2014 13:48:11 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2014 14:00:33 GMT -5
No, Kunt killed Invince because he didn't want him to spam up his game. Could use some spamming though cause it's dead atm.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2014 18:17:33 GMT -5
Calling bulls**t on jback being BeyoncΓ©, unless Kunt hand-picked the flavors which I doubt. I never said I was beyonce shit heads. I'm "generic black lady" or something. Bow down
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2014 18:19:46 GMT -5
...so beyonce?
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Post by josh on Jun 22, 2014 18:20:28 GMT -5
Calling bulls**t on jback being BeyoncΓ©, unless Kunt hand-picked the flavors which I doubt. I never said I was beyonce s**t heads. I'm "generic black lady" or something. Bow down so you're beyonce
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Post by josh on Jun 22, 2014 18:20:44 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2014 18:21:23 GMT -5
Hahah.
vote: codex and josh
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Post by Zeebz on Jun 22, 2014 18:57:17 GMT -5
A. yes B. Maybe because he is always vocal and they thought it suspicious that he was more quiet this round? Maybe they just didn't have a reason? Idk. I really believe it was an indie though. C. Idk lol
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Post by Baby Spice on Jun 22, 2014 21:39:21 GMT -5
About Invince, I basically agree with what everyone else has said. I do think it was another player (although my first instinct said otherwise, just because I thought Kunt was fucking with us), and I agree with Zeebz that it probably was the fact he was playing so differently than normal (being quiet). It honestly made me suspicious of him myself (along with his refusal to flavour claim), so I could definitely see that being the reason he was chosen.
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Post by popstop on Jun 22, 2014 22:53:40 GMT -5
Hello! I guess nick is tied up in my basement is predisposed. So I am taking his place!
I'm glad there's not a lot of posts yet. It was a little easier to catch up than I thought it would be. I'm confident that Invince was killed by scum and I think that it's out of the question that Invince was killed by a townie. Even if the townie had a 1-S power, it would be stupid to waste it on Day 1. I like Cynthia's idea that there could be two different factions with a daykill and night kill, but I really hope Kunt isn't deranged enough to do that because we'd really be behind the eight ball if we mess up just one lynch on any day.
I can think of several motives to choose Invince - he could have been too quiet, so nothing could be traced to the killer. There was the whole jback/josh/invince voting not long before he died - maybe it's an attempt to frame jback/josh? Or it could be someone who has been disgruntled with Invince's play in previous games? Hmmmmm.
Oh, and spill, Gale! What the hell did Oprah do to fuck up our world???
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jun 22, 2014 23:13:39 GMT -5
How confident are you?
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Post by popstop on Jun 22, 2014 23:18:04 GMT -5
I can't fathom any reason a townie would kill someone that early.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jun 22, 2014 23:20:56 GMT -5
Ok. And welcome!... even if it is at nick's expense....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 11:27:56 GMT -5
Vote: Landmarx
He hasn't really posted any of his thoughts on anything really besides an RVS vote on Josh.
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Post by Lahey's Lucky Star on Jun 23, 2014 11:35:58 GMT -5
RE: Cynthia's questions:
A. That's the biggest possibility. We may be dealing with an X-Shot vigilante, though (and a newb one at that). We could be dealing with an indie, but idk any roles that would enable a day-kill other than the vig. B. I actually second Zebra's input on how Invince's game change would be seen as suspicious, but it could also be that his less-aggressive gameplay would mean he's of less value to the team. Both theories are pretty dangerous IMO. C. This question confuses me. Are you saying if we have any reasons as to why we should talk about this in the first place?
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Post by SuperLaLaLa~ on Jun 23, 2014 12:38:55 GMT -5
Rather Slow, Isn't It? Vote Count~Day 1 begins. Deadline has been set for 6/30/2014 23:59:59 EDT. With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch. Cynthia: 1 (Codex) Josh: 3 (Max, jback, Landmarx) Lahey: 2 (Zebra, Lozzy) Landmarx: 2 (Josh, Drag) Lozzy: 2 (Ginger Spice, Lahey) Max: 1 (Cynthia) Not voting: popstop
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Post by popstop on Jun 23, 2014 14:28:09 GMT -5
Meh, I guess I should vote for someone, but no one in particular is really leaping out at me.
There are people who aren't coming off as scum to me so far. I'd include Cynthia and josh as people who are given me good town feels right now. They seem to be contributing and offering some analysis, even if it can only be speculative at this point.
I guess I'm going to go with my former God [redacted] mafia partner, Zebra. I think he's making an effort to contribute more, but I know from last game it was because he didn't want to be seen as a target. My main (admittedly weak) reason is that his "surprise" at Invince's death does not feel authentic to me. He kind of came in with an "oh wow," talked about Invince's role, came to the conclusion that it was a townie misfire (which I've mentioned I think would be very strange), and left.
Vote: Zebra despite his obv. bootyliciousness.
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Post by Zeebz on Jun 23, 2014 15:32:53 GMT -5
Meh, I guess I should vote for someone, but no one in particular is really leaping out at me. There are people who aren't coming off as scum to me so far. I'd include Cynthia and josh as people who are given me good town feels right now. They seem to be contributing and offering some analysis, even if it can only be speculative at this point. I guess I'm going to go with my former God [redacted] mafia partner, Zebra. I think he's making an effort to contribute more, but I know from last game it was because he didn't want to be seen as a target. My main (admittedly weak) reason is that his "surprise" at Invince's death does not feel authentic to me. He kind of came in with an "oh wow," talked about Invince's role, came to the conclusion that it was a townie misfire (which I've mentioned I think would be very strange), and left. Vote: Zebra despite his obv. bootyliciousness. A few points to make: - I understand that you know your reasoning is weak, but my reaction was as genuine as it could have been. I had posted that a while after he was already killed and everyone else had already expressed concern over it. I was shocked it had happened. - I left because I had had a busy day and I was exhausted. Now, with more sleep, I realize that it is probably an independent as a stated in my answers to Cynthia's questions. It could still be a townie though because they could have been paranoid because Invince was playing weird. - Ty for the Destiny's Child/Battle of the Bands reference. <3 - Hopefully this helps. I am headed to work but if anyone has questions they will be answered tonight.
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Post by popstop on Jun 23, 2014 16:56:56 GMT -5
Well, OK. Your vote has been on Lahey since RVS. I know there's not a lot of reasons to vote for people right now, but do you have a reason for keeping it on Lahey?
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jun 23, 2014 18:42:09 GMT -5
Here's a question for everyone since we only have one thing to go on (and that one thing is more than we usually ever have before Day 1 ends):
Do you think the person/people (whatever) responsible for Invince's death is town, mafia, independent, other (specify) and why?
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Post by Lahey's Lucky Star on Jun 23, 2014 18:52:25 GMT -5
Here's a question for everyone since we only have one thing to go on (and that one thing is more than we usually ever have before Day 1 ends): Do you think the person/people (whatever) responsible for Invince's death is town, mafia, independent, other (specify) and why? My bet's on indie or a newb vig. It could be like what Josh did to Devin during Snowtrapped, but I'm not sure if Invince found anyone even remotely suspicious, considering he was eliminated after RVS and his only posts were of that matter.
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