Markus Meyer
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Post by Markus Meyer on Jul 2, 2015 21:39:19 GMT -5
I heard a remixed version of this today. Way more tempo, a hip hot beat and more electric guitar. Basically stripped of every country element. I guess the label caved and sent radio a new version to try and make it a hit. It was saddening.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2015 21:50:12 GMT -5
I heard a remixed version of this today. Way more tempo, a hip hot beat and more electric guitar. Basically stripped of every country element. I guess the label caved and sent radio a new version to try and make it a hit. It was saddening. If I was Mickey I would be like enough. Lets move onto another song. I really. I do hope this leaves though all it is doing is taking up space its not going anywhere and well Mickey needs to move on. Sorry
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2015 22:10:00 GMT -5
I heard a remixed version of this today. Way more tempo, a hip hot beat and more electric guitar. Basically stripped of every country element. I guess the label caved and sent radio a new version to try and make it a hit. It was saddening. It could've been the label, but I wouldn't necessarily assume that. It could have been a syndicated show, or even if it wasn't, some stations that DO carry syndicated shows (like Dee Jay Silver's awful hip-hop remix one) could probably play a remix version whenever they want (and I KNOW Dee Jay Silver has remixed this one on his show, unfortunately). In any case, it's usually not too difficult to figure out if the label sent it out or not, and in this case I have my doubts, mostly because there's a new music survey going around gathering feedback on several tracks that are in contention for Mickey's 2nd single. So if the label is only going to pull this in the next week or two, why send out a different version now? It wouldn't make any difference.
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Post by rsmatto on Jul 3, 2015 10:37:58 GMT -5
I heard a remixed version of this today. Way more tempo, a hip hot beat and more electric guitar. Basically stripped of every country element. I guess the label caved and sent radio a new version to try and make it a hit. It was saddening. It could've been the label, but I wouldn't necessarily assume that. It could have been a syndicated show, or even if it wasn't, some stations that DO carry syndicated shows (like Dee Jay Silver's awful hip-hop remix one) could probably play a remix version whenever they want (and I KNOW Dee Jay Silver has remixed this one on his show, unfortunately). In any case, it's usually not too difficult to figure out if the label sent it out or not, and in this case I have my doubts, mostly because there's a new music survey going around gathering feedback on several tracks that are in contention for Mickey's 2nd single. So if the label is only going to pull this in the next week or two, why send out a different version now? It wouldn't make any difference. It was NOT sent out by the label. More than likely the one referenced is the DeeJay Silver remix for his show.
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Post by Markus Meyer on Jul 3, 2015 14:36:22 GMT -5
I never considered that as they've never played a Dee Jay Silver version of any song before, but that is more than likely what it was.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jul 3, 2015 18:01:14 GMT -5
It doesn't even necessarily have to be him, either. Judging by no one else saying that they heard the same remix of Kelsea Ballerini's debut hit that I've heard (where the poppier production elements are replaced with strings and more organic instruments) multiple times on radio, I'm guessing that it's just something that particular station did, so it could've been the same thing with that song (though more of a reverse of what I've experienced with Kelsea's song).
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jul 6, 2015 0:31:44 GMT -5
Much as I'd hate to see this go, I'm actually kind of hoping they just throw in the towel on this soon. The writing's been on the wall for awhile now that this isn't going anywhere (sadly & unfortunately), so I'd like to see them just move on to single #2. If they go with another of the EP tracks, I'd like to see "Pretty Little Mustang" be next, and if not, then something else with tempo. I love this song so much but I think she'd fare a lot better with something more up-tempo. I really want her to get a big enough hit for the album release to happen. Radio/the industry seems excited about her as an artist even though this didn't take off, so I believe with the right song, she'll be able to stick.
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Post by kirkw on Jul 6, 2015 9:48:38 GMT -5
I've been hearing this a lot on the radio in recent days, and it just overpowers most anything else on country radio right now. I still believe cream rises to the top and this is so good it just can't be stopped.
I rarely do this, but this will stand the test of decades of time which means this is a classic.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 21:17:32 GMT -5
I've been hearing this a lot on the radio in recent days, and it just overpowers most anything else on country radio right now. I still believe cream rises to the top and this is so good it just can't be stopped. I rarely do this, but this will stand the test of decades of time which means this is a classic. Eh. This is a quality song, but I don't think it'll be seen as a classic decades from now. Sadly most people won't remember it, because most casual radio listeners haven't even heard it. Mickey's label Capitol Nashville is already testing options for her 2nd single, so it's only a matter of time before this one drops off the chart. "Better Than You Left Me" was released way back in January; it's already spent 26 weeks on the Billboad chart, and it hasn't gotten any higher than #35. Songs that spend so many weeks so low on the charts never go #1, let alone top 20.
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Post by kirkw on Jul 7, 2015 10:43:20 GMT -5
I believe they need to re-release this at some point this is so good. I agree it's already spent so many weeks on the chart that it's run it's course this time around but doesn't change my opinion this is classic material. Had this gone to radio 10 or 20 years ago it most certainly would have been a chart topper. This may have not tested well among the key demos that radio is targeting right now resulting in females rationed on playlists, but it doesn't take away how powerful this record is over the long haul in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2015 9:04:21 GMT -5
A new spin peak for Mickey today: 1907.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2015 15:05:45 GMT -5
I wonder how much longer the label will stick with this the end has to be near soon for this one.
I think BB this next week isn't gonna be nice. There is one set recurrent (Easton) I do believe Reba could go too. But it's looking like Jana Kramer's gonna finally make the pass. Maybe Mickey can hold on for a month and sneak into the Top 30 on BB. But I have my doubts.
The end is near and I can feel it.
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Post by sabre14 on Jul 17, 2015 12:59:20 GMT -5
It looks like Capitol is letting this go as "Better Than You Left Me" lost over 100 spins and 200k in audience today; that's a pretty significant one day update. Mickey's total audience lost audience lost for the week is 325k, along with the net spins lost being 74.
It's been pretty obvious that "Better Than You Left Me" wasn't going to be doing much of anything for quite some time now and just meandering in the 30's is all it could muster.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2015 13:13:32 GMT -5
Finally! This chart run was difficult to watch. I mean radio wants Mickey but she needs to release stuff that'll have both radio and fans enjoying it. Hopefully her second song can have the fast start this one did and also test well. I really want Mickey Guyton to succeed. Best of luck Mickey for your next song.
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Post by SoMuchToSay on Jul 18, 2015 9:20:12 GMT -5
I always thought it was strange that they would lead w/ a ballad. I definitely think her "Pretty Little Mustang" song would fit in well on Country radio.
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Post by samsager3 on Jul 19, 2015 7:31:37 GMT -5
She has a strong voice ur not a big fan of this.I think it's just the production and arrangement. idk why beucase the lyrics are strong I just can't get into it.
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Post by kw9461 on Jul 19, 2015 20:47:55 GMT -5
I heard a remixed version of this today. Way more tempo, a hip hot beat and more electric guitar. Basically stripped of every country element. I guess the label caved and sent radio a new version to try and make it a hit. It was saddening. I heard the same version last night. It's only like the 2nd time I've heard it on the radio and it was disgusting to hear such a awfully remixed version of this song. Her voice is so beautiful and the arrangement of this song is so strong, all this song needed was exposure to be a hit, but radio wouldn't play ball. If this had been chosen for OTV (and given the industry anticipation for this it certainly warranted strong consideration) I think it would've made Mickey an overnight star, but unfortunately that wasn't the case. We've seen a lot of above average females fail to gain a foot hold on the industry in recent years, but Mickey is the first one in a while that has stood out to me to this degree. For country radio's sake as much as Mickey's, I hope the cream rises.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 4:33:30 GMT -5
Billboard really mystifies me sometimes. A couple weeks ago they sent Mo Pitney recurrent, even though his loss was less than 150k, and even though they hadn't given him a single grace week before.
Then we have Mickey. She's had a few grace weeks already (always re-bulleting the next week, though), and tonight she lost 513k and 136 spins and yet Billboard gave her a grace week...
I mean, she had a bullet last week so she was eligible for a grace week tonight, but how does a loss of 513k warrant a grace week when they just sent Mo recurrent a couple weeks back for losing only about 1/5th of that? lol
In the end it doesn't really matter...Mo is back on the chart, and Mickey will almost certainly go recurrent next week. But this is, like, 3-4 weeks in a row now where Billboard has either goofed or just made a really questionable judgment call. The 2 goofs: they sent Montgomery Gentry recurrent a week early, and then they didn't send Aaron Watson recurrent tonight even though it was his 3rd bullet-less week in a row. And then they sent Mo recurrent without ever granting him a grace week, yet they haven't sent Mickey recurrent despite several grace weeks and losses that were way bigger than Mo's losses in his one bad week.
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Post by trebor on Jul 21, 2015 6:18:58 GMT -5
Billboard really mystifies me sometimes. A couple weeks ago they sent Mo Pitney recurrent, even though his loss was less than 150k, and even though they hadn't given him a single grace week before. Then we have Mickey. She's had a few grace weeks already (always re-bulleting the next week, though), and tonight she lost 513k and 136 spins and yet Billboard gave her a grace week... I mean, she had a bullet last week so she was eligible for a grace week tonight, but how does a loss of 513k warrant a grace week when they just sent Mo recurrent a couple weeks back for losing only about 1/5th of that? lol In the end it doesn't really matter...Mo is back on the chart, and Mickey will almost certainly go recurrent next week. But this is, like, 3-4 weeks in a row now where Billboard has either goofed or just made a really questionable judgment call. The 2 goofs: they sent Montgomery Gentry recurrent a week early, and then they didn't send Aaron Watson recurrent tonight even though it was his 3rd bullet-less week in a row. And then they sent Mo recurrent without ever granting him a grace week, yet they haven't sent Mickey recurrent despite several grace weeks and losses that were way bigger than Mo's losses in his one bad week. J. There must have been a panel change, frozen panel or late manual Arbitron/nielsen MUSIC data alignment in issue 07/18/15. In these cases Billboard recalculates the past charts and resets and corrects all live data. This is the only scenario imaginable. I regularly stumble upon these inconsistencies when re-assembling the comprehensive chart; and the last week figures do not match.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 7:05:34 GMT -5
J. There must have been a panel change, frozen panel or late manual Arbitron/nielsen MUSIC data alignment in issue 07/18/15. In these cases Billboard recalculates the past charts and resets and corrects all live data. This is the only scenario imaginable. I regularly stumble upon these inconsistencies when re-assembling the comprehensive chart; and the last week figures do not match. I'm not really sure what you're saying here... I know that when Billboard adjusts their ratings or the panel, they adjust the previous charts rather than the building/rolling chart like Mediabase does. But that doesn't explain why they would choose to send Mo recurrent a couple weeks back when his loss wasn't that big at all (and without giving him a grace week first), and why they would choose to grant Mickey a grace week on last night's chart when her loss was much bigger than Mo's was a couple weeks back.
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Post by trebor on Jul 21, 2015 7:26:33 GMT -5
J. There must have been a panel change, frozen panel or late manual Arbitron/nielsen MUSIC data alignment in issue 07/18/15. In these cases Billboard recalculates the past charts and resets and corrects all live data. This is the only scenario imaginable. I regularly stumble upon these inconsistencies when re-assembling the comprehensive chart; and the last week figures do not match. I'm not really sure what you're saying here... I know that when Billboard adjusts their ratings or the panel, they adjust the previous charts rather than the building/rolling chart like Mediabase does. But that doesn't explain why they would choose to send Mo recurrent a couple weeks back when his loss wasn't that big at all (and without giving him a grace week first), and why they would choose to grant Mickey a grace week on last night's chart when her loss was much bigger than Mo's was a couple weeks back. My point is that we do not know what the bullet situation was on the readjusted charts. Maybe Mickey is having her bulletless streak this week and Mo did fare far worse in the unpublished charts. Obviously, these are pure speculations and assumptions in order to give Billboard's decisions some logic.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 7:37:29 GMT -5
My point is that we do not know what the bullet situation was on the readjusted charts. Maybe Mickey is having her bulletless streak this week and Mo did fare far worse in the unpublished charts. Obviously, these are pure speculations and assumptions in order to give Billboard's decisions some logic. I'm still not really following you, and I'm not sure that you're following me either, lol. The week that Mo went recurrent, he only lost about 110k and 12 spins (or thereabouts) on Mediabase over the 7 days that correlate to the Billboard tracking week. There's no way that that would have resulted in a Billboard loss greater than 200k. And so that's what I'm asking: why was Mo's small loss big enough for him to go recurrent (without being extended a grace week first), when Mickey's loss this week was much greater (over 500k) and she didn't go recurrent? Unless you're saying that Billboard went back and adjusted the chart the week before Mo went recurrent, and made it so that Mo didn't have a bullet that week, and therefore that would have been his grace week. But I've never seen them do that before. Billboard has their grace week policy but they've been very inconsistent about when and how they apply it. And there haven't been any significant panel changes or adjustments lately that I've seen -- just a few minor adjustments. None of it explains why Mo would go recurrent with a loss that was likely in the 100-200k range, and why Mickey wouldn't go recurrent with a loss that was much greater. It also doesn't explain why Aaron Watson is still on the chart this week, and why Montgomery Gentry was sent recurrent after only one bullet-less week.
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Post by trebor on Jul 21, 2015 8:05:27 GMT -5
My point is that we do not know what the bullet situation was on the readjusted charts. Maybe Mickey is having her bulletless streak this week and Mo did fare far worse in the unpublished charts. Obviously, these are pure speculations and assumptions in order to give Billboard's decisions some logic. I'm still not really following you, and I'm not sure that you're following me either, lol. The week that Mo went recurrent, he only lost about 110k and 12 spins (or thereabouts) on Mediabase over the 7 days that correlate to the Billboard tracking week. There's no way that that would have resulted in a Billboard loss greater than 200k. And so that's what I'm asking: why was Mo's small loss big enough for him to go recurrent (without being extended a grace week first), when Mickey's loss this week was much greater (over 500k) and she didn't go recurrent? Unless you're saying that Billboard went back and adjusted the chart the week before Mo went recurrent, and made it so that Mo didn't have a bullet that week, and therefore that would have been his grace week. But I've never seen them do that before. Billboard has their grace week policy but they've been very inconsistent about when and how they apply it. And there haven't been any significant panel changes or adjustments lately that I've seen -- just a few minor adjustments. None of it explains why Mo would go recurrent with a loss that was likely in the 100-200k range, and why Mickey wouldn't go recurrent with a loss that was much greater. It also doesn't explain why Aaron Watson is still on the chart this week, and why Montgomery Gentry was sent recurrent after only one bullet-less week. I'm not challenging what you are saying; I'm pretty sure your data is more than consistent. :) I'm just trying to be nice and cut Billboard some slack; it's run by humans so wrong assessments may happen. Obviously, totally agree that Mo's case is more than fishy and debatable...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 8:20:18 GMT -5
I'm not challenging what you are saying; I'm pretty sure your data is more than consistent. :) I'm just trying to be nice and cut Billboard some slack; it's run by humans so wrong assessments may happen. Obviously, totally agree that Mo's case is more than fishy and debatable... Oh, yeah, certainly I don't expect Billboard to be perfect. It's just that lately it seems like they haven't been applying their recurrent rules very consistently, and it just bugs me, lol. I mean, I'm just a super chart-fan who follows charts in my spare time, whereas the Billboard people get paid!! And they're not doing quite as good a job at keeping track of things as some of us Pulsers are, lol
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Post by trebor on Jul 21, 2015 8:27:03 GMT -5
I'm not challenging what you are saying; I'm pretty sure your data is more than consistent. :) I'm just trying to be nice and cut Billboard some slack; it's run by humans so wrong assessments may happen. Obviously, totally agree that Mo's case is more than fishy and debatable... Oh, yeah, certainly I don't expect Billboard to be perfect. It's just that lately it seems like they haven't been applying their recurrent rules very consistently, and it just bugs me, lol. I mean, I'm just a super chart-fan who follows charts in my spare time, whereas the Billboard people get paid!! And they're not doing quite as good a job at keeping track of things as some of us Pulsers are, lol Completely agree! :) And it's the second week in a row that they had to re-run the Billboard 200 after initial publication...
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Post by sabre14 on Jul 22, 2015 12:07:52 GMT -5
"Better Than You Left Me" is officially done as it lost 132 spins and over 400k in audience today. This one will go recurrent on Billboard come Monday (7/27).
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Post by rsmatto on Jul 22, 2015 12:36:20 GMT -5
Oh, yeah, certainly I don't expect Billboard to be perfect. It's just that lately it seems like they haven't been applying their recurrent rules very consistently, and it just bugs me, lol. I mean, I'm just a super chart-fan who follows charts in my spare time, whereas the Billboard people get paid!! And they're not doing quite as good a job at keeping track of things as some of us Pulsers are, lol Completely agree! :) And it's the second week in a row that they had to re-run the Billboard 200 after initial publication... The Album and digital sales change was a little hard for SoundScan to adjust to. This is why they've done that. As far as radio airplay goes, that wouldn't have any affect, really.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 20:04:48 GMT -5
This one will go recurrent tomorrow. And it's crazy just how bad Mickey's timing was with this. I remember a couple months ago, she got pushed down to #40 despite having over 5 million in audience.
Last week she had just under 5.4 million in audience, and if she had managed to re-bullet this week, she would have set a new peak simply because of recurrents. It looks like Jana Kramer and Hunter Hayes will both clear 6 million (they should be #30 and #31 on tomorrow's Billboard, respectively), and if Mickey had stayed around 5.4 mil, she would have easily checked in at #32 tomorrow (her Billboard peak is #34). Instead, Drake White and LoCash will be in the 32-33 spots, even though they're only projecting to around 4.6 million or so.
If UMG had launched this one in June or July, I'm confident that it would have blasted into the top 30 within just a few weeks. The chart is extremely soft right now, especially from #30 on down. And all this just 1-2 months after it was so backed up that 1 million audience impressions couldn't even get you into the top 60, and 4-5 mil was needed just to crack the top 40...
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Post by samsager3 on Jul 27, 2015 7:42:56 GMT -5
I have tried liking this one I just can't. She's a decent vocalist just not a very good song in my oppinion.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 8:21:46 GMT -5
I don't understand how.she's a decent vocalist. She has one of the strongest singing voices I've ever heard. She is on par with Carrie Underwood as both women can sing and hold notes that make when they sing it sounds like an angel.
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