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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2015 9:10:56 GMT -5
Well he said it himself that his true self is not Bro Country. Even Kenny Chesney told him he could do better. Bro Country is dying. Suck it up and face the facts that it made Country radio less popular. Chase, FGL, Thomas Rhett, Luke Bryan, Cole Swindell, and Jason Aldean are all to blame for country going downhill. Not saying you're wrong, but please show me the facts you're telling me to face. It seems like country has declined this year and the fact that there wasn't nearly as much bro country on radio goes against your train of thought. Here you go: entertainment.suntimes.com/entertainment-news/chase-rice/(Not getting in the debate of what is and what isn't working for radio, just saying what Chase Rice said :) )
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Post by straitouttanashville on Oct 21, 2015 13:10:30 GMT -5
In my opinion "Bro-Country" is clearly dying. "Bro-Country" was never really something with much substance or staying ablity anyway. Just this last year Eric Church, who is in no way, shape or form "Bro-Country", has his latest album out selling the likes of Jason Aldean, FGL & most "Bro-Country" artists. I feel I can even make a case Luke Bryan's new album "Kill The Lights" might not sell more then Eric Church's "The Outsiders". A person would almost have to be blind not to see the trend moving away from FGL and "Bro-Country". FGL's 1st album went double platinum, and I dont even see FGL's current album making platinum, not even if they release the "Extended Edition". FGL's best selling single off "Anything Goes" is "Dirt" and that song was the least "Bro-Country". This year alone country music has had #1 Albums from the likes of Alan Jackson, George Strait and even Don Henley. Zac Brown Band is nothing close to "Bro-Country" IMO but they have seen a huge drop in sales off their current album because what I believe fans want to hearis REAL COUNTRY MUSIC. Not weird EDM-Country, Bro-Country or even a Heavy Metal song. ZBB in my opinion is creative but ZBB's last album did not have enough COUNTRY MUSIC on it. ZBB side note, I personally never liked the John Varvatos dress up act either, be who you are. I could go on and on about trends I see and believe show "Bro-Country" is in serious decline. Jason Aldean, FGL & Luke Bryan are the absolute worst offenders. I have seen all three more then 5 times each in front row seats. I have actually enjoyed all the concerts, all 3 put on great shows. My issue is first off, maybe a handful of songs are country music from Luke, Jason & FGL. 2nd, at this point even if I liked a lot of their music and I do, its has got to the point they are just putting out the same song over and over, and again its not country IMO. In conclusion, and I could be wrong, "Bro-Country" is obviously in decline and I hope that means some REAL COUNTRY MUSIC is on the way.
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Post by rsmatto on Oct 21, 2015 14:34:28 GMT -5
Luke's "Kill The Lights" album is going to outsell Eric Church's "The Outsiders." (it's at 650k in 10 weeks).
Zac Brown Band's sales are a 'huge drop off?' The album is Gold with 550k scanned at 24 weeks. The album is selling JUST FINE. The markets have changed for album sales (in case you haven't noticed). It's not just to fit a narrative of them being too dapper looking or their album lacking a certain sound that has affected sales. In this current climate, they're selling just fine and Gold at anytime is good and they'll be certified Platinum by year end, just watch.
You say you're a fan of Luke, FGL and Jason but you think they're "bro country offenders" too? Interesting.
As for Chase, He's got the ability as a writer and singer to have more 'meaningful songs' but we'll see what he comes with next.
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Post by onebuffalo on Oct 21, 2015 14:42:37 GMT -5
Luke's "Kill The Lights" album is going to outsell Eric Church's "The Outsiders." (it's at 650k in 10 weeks). Zac Brown Band's sales are a 'huge drop off?' The album is Gold with 550k scanned at 24 weeks. The album is selling JUST FINE. The markets have changed for album sales (in case you haven't noticed). It's not just to fit a narrative of them being too dapper looking or their album lacking a certain sound. You say you're a fan of Luke, FGL and Jason but you think they're "bro country offenders" too? Interesting. As for Chase, He's got the ability as a writer and singer to have more 'meaningful songs' but we'll see what he comes with next. Kill The Lights will also outsell Old Boots, New Dirt.
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Post by rsmatto on Oct 21, 2015 14:53:44 GMT -5
Luke's "Kill The Lights" album is going to outsell Eric Church's "The Outsiders." (it's at 650k in 10 weeks). Zac Brown Band's sales are a 'huge drop off?' The album is Gold with 550k scanned at 24 weeks. The album is selling JUST FINE. The markets have changed for album sales (in case you haven't noticed). It's not just to fit a narrative of them being too dapper looking or their album lacking a certain sound. You say you're a fan of Luke, FGL and Jason but you think they're "bro country offenders" too? Interesting. As for Chase, He's got the ability as a writer and singer to have more 'meaningful songs' but we'll see what he comes with next. Kill The Lights will also outsell Old Boots, New Dirt. For sure. The Aldean album should have no problem outselling Eric Church's album too. It's only 40k behind now and has been out half a year less time.
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Post by onebuffalo on Oct 21, 2015 15:10:00 GMT -5
Kill The Lights will also outsell Old Boots, New Dirt. For sure. The Aldean album should have no problem outselling Eric Church's album too. It's only 40k behind now and has been out half a year less time. Just looked at the weeks on the chart for both albums. The Outsiders has been on for 88 weeks (1.75 years) while Old Boots, New Dirt has been listed for 54 weeks (1 year).
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Post by straitouttanashville on Oct 21, 2015 15:48:00 GMT -5
For sure. The Aldean album should have no problem outselling Eric Church's album too. It's only 40k behind now and has been out half a year less time. Just looked at the weeks on the chart for both albums. The Outsiders has been on for 88 weeks (1.75 years) while Old Boots, New Dirt has been listed for 54 weeks (1 year). I am a fan of Aldean, Bryan and FGL. I personally just dont consider it Country Music. I am a fan of different genres across the board. As of late, FGL, Bryan and Aldean seem to be putting out the same song over and over renamed and it gets a little old for me. As far as the Albums sales go, Eric Church every week in the last 20 weeks has gained and/or passed on Aldean's album. I dont see Aldean's Album going back passed Church's because its a younger album, it should be outselling it weekly if its a younger album, and IMO Aldean latest single "Gonna Know We Here" is a bad verson of "Tattoos On This Town", and that is not helping. Only way I see it going back ahead of Church in sales is if some extended verson is put of for sale. I will agree to disagree that ZBB's sales are down, I dont see their newest album going platinum. I will stick by my opinion their issue is lack of good Country Music on their album, and add that single selection has been awful IMO as well. Luke Bryan sales on open week were down around 50% as apposed to Crash My Party. I understand the industry is moving in the streaming/stealing direction but Kill The Lights wont sell more then 1.3mil IMO and that would be a huge drop, more then can just be blamed on industry sales being down. "Strip It Down" is horrible, and it shouldnt be on my Country Station as well. I honestly believe "Bro-Country" is in trouble, and I believe fans crave REAL COUNTRY MUSIC. I know I could be wrong, I do feel I at least make a few good points that "Bro-Country" is trending in a downward direction
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Post by onebuffalo on Oct 21, 2015 15:54:12 GMT -5
Just looked at the weeks on the chart for both albums. The Outsiders has been on for 88 weeks (1.75 years) while Old Boots, New Dirt has been listed for 54 weeks (1 year). I am a fan of Aldean, Bryan and FGL. I personally just dont consider it Country Music. I am a fan of different genres across the board. As of late, FGL, Bryan and Aldean seem to be putting out the same song over and over renamed and it gets a little old for me. As far as the Albums sales go, Eric Church every week in the last 20 weeks has gained and/or passed on Aldean's album. I dont see Aldean's Album going back passed Church's because its a younger album, it should be outselling it weekly if its a younger album, and IMO Aldean latest single "Gonna Know We Here" is a bad verson of "Tattoos On This Town", and that is not helping. Only way I see it going back ahead of Church in sales is if some extended verson is put of for sale. I will agree to disagree that ZBB's sales are down, I dont see their newest album going platinum. I will stick by my opinion their issue is lack of good Country Music on their album, and add that single selection has been awful IMO as well. Luke Bryan sales on open week were down around 50% as apposed to Crash My Party. I understand the industry is moving in the streaming/stealing direction but Kill The Lights wont sell more then 1.3mil IMO and that would be a huge drop, more then can just be blamed on industry sales being down. "Strip It Down" is horrible, and it shouldnt be on my Country Station as well. I honestly believe "Bro-Country" is in trouble, and I believe fans crave REAL COUNTRY MUSIC. I know I could be wrong, I do feel I at least make a few good points that "Bro-Country" is trending in a downward direction The only thing I see about the Zac Brown Band's sales slowing down is their latest selection in single with Beautiful Drug. A lot of people here have questioned that move. The album itself is at #10 for the week with 4000 in sales. 549,000 have been sold so far. It will be a rough ride to get it platinum, but I do see it happening sometime next year. They have been known to go five deep with a CD (The Foundation and You Get What You Give had five apiece), so the next single or two will determine how much 'legs' the album has left in it.
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Post by straitouttanashville on Oct 21, 2015 19:24:51 GMT -5
I am a fan of Aldean, Bryan and FGL. I personally just dont consider it Country Music. I am a fan of different genres across the board. As of late, FGL, Bryan and Aldean seem to be putting out the same song over and over renamed and it gets a little old for me. As far as the Albums sales go, Eric Church every week in the last 20 weeks has gained and/or passed on Aldean's album. I dont see Aldean's Album going back passed Church's because its a younger album, it should be outselling it weekly if its a younger album, and IMO Aldean latest single "Gonna Know We Here" is a bad verson of "Tattoos On This Town", and that is not helping. Only way I see it going back ahead of Church in sales is if some extended verson is put of for sale. I will agree to disagree that ZBB's sales are down, I dont see their newest album going platinum. I will stick by my opinion their issue is lack of good Country Music on their album, and add that single selection has been awful IMO as well. Luke Bryan sales on open week were down around 50% as apposed to Crash My Party. I understand the industry is moving in the streaming/stealing direction but Kill The Lights wont sell more then 1.3mil IMO and that would be a huge drop, more then can just be blamed on industry sales being down. "Strip It Down" is horrible, and it shouldnt be on my Country Station as well. I honestly believe "Bro-Country" is in trouble, and I believe fans crave REAL COUNTRY MUSIC. I know I could be wrong, I do feel I at least make a few good points that "Bro-Country" is trending in a downward direction The only thing I see about the Zac Brown Band's sales slowing down is their latest selection in single with Beautiful Drug. A lot of people here have questioned that move. The album itself is at #10 for the week with 4000 in sales. 549,000 have been sold so far. It will be a rough ride to get it platinum, but I do see it happening sometime next year. They have been known to go five deep with a CD (The Foundation and You Get What You Give had five apiece), so the next single or two will determine how much 'legs' the album has left in it. Really not trying to argue, but ZBB would have to sell more then double (8000) their current weekly sales to get to 1mil sold in the next 56 weeks. Time only hurts album sales, that we all know. Figuring conservatively, 5000 albums sold on average a week would take ZBB almost 2 years to get to 1mil. It doesnt look good IMO to be honest.
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Post by dm2081 on Oct 21, 2015 21:15:56 GMT -5
The only thing I see about the Zac Brown Band's sales slowing down is their latest selection in single with Beautiful Drug. A lot of people here have questioned that move. The album itself is at #10 for the week with 4000 in sales. 549,000 have been sold so far. It will be a rough ride to get it platinum, but I do see it happening sometime next year. They have been known to go five deep with a CD (The Foundation and You Get What You Give had five apiece), so the next single or two will determine how much 'legs' the album has left in it. Really not trying to argue, but ZBB would have to sell more then double (8000) their current weekly sales to get to 1mil sold in the next 56 weeks. Time only hurts album sales, that we all know. Figuring conservatively, 5000 albums sold on average a week would take ZBB almost 2 years to get to 1mil. It doesnt look good IMO to be honest. What's more important is how is their album selling relative to others. It has sold consistently near the top 10 of country albums since its been released. How many other albums have been able to do that?
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Post by straitouttanashville on Oct 21, 2015 21:21:16 GMT -5
Really not trying to argue, but ZBB would have to sell more then double (8000) their current weekly sales to get to 1mil sold in the next 56 weeks. Time only hurts album sales, that we all know. Figuring conservatively, 5000 albums sold on average a week would take ZBB almost 2 years to get to 1mil. It doesnt look good IMO to be honest. What's more important is how is their album selling relative to others. It has sold consistently near the top 10 of country albums since its been released. How many other albums have been able to do that? 100% agree, I just dont think its a lock to go Platinum, thats all.
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Oct 21, 2015 21:32:37 GMT -5
I think J+H has a slight chance to go platinum; sales should pickup in Christmas period, then eventually with a fourth single released, platinum should be reached in the long run. Otherwise, it should go close to it. ZBB are consistent album sellers too, so that should help.
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Post by straitouttanashville on Oct 22, 2015 9:48:07 GMT -5
I think J+H has a slight chance to go platinum; sales should pickup in Christmas period, then eventually with a fourth single released, platinum should be reached in the long run. Otherwise, it should go close to it. ZBB are consistent album sellers too, so that should help. I agree with a lot of these points made. I personally think we are missing the fact here that J+H is easily the worst album they have produced. That is a huge factor in my opinion. ZBBs last two albums were iconic and Grammy winners. I dont think J+H is winning and Album Grammy.
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Post by dm2081 on Oct 22, 2015 10:56:37 GMT -5
I think J+H has a slight chance to go platinum; sales should pickup in Christmas period, then eventually with a fourth single released, platinum should be reached in the long run. Otherwise, it should go close to it. ZBB are consistent album sellers too, so that should help. I agree with a lot of these points made. I personally think we are missing the fact here that J+H is easily the worst album they have produced. That is a huge factor in my opinion. ZBBs last two albums were iconic and Grammy winners. I dont think J+H is winning and Album Grammy. Actually, it's not a fact that this is the worst album, it's an opinion. I can debunk your "fact" immediately because I think Jekyll + Hyde is superior to Uncaged. The album is also more expansive and reaches to wider audiences. Think about Metallica pre The Black Album. They were big, but became more of a household name when they didn't confine themselves to the same thrash metal songs they were recording.
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Post by rsmatto on Oct 22, 2015 12:23:52 GMT -5
I agree with a lot of these points made. I personally think we are missing the fact here that J+H is easily the worst album they have produced. That is a huge factor in my opinion. ZBBs last two albums were iconic and Grammy winners. I dont think J+H is winning and Album Grammy. Actually, it's not a fact that this is the worst album, it's an opinion. I can debunk your "fact" immediately because I think Jekyll + Hyde is superior to Uncaged. The album is also more expansive and reaches to wider audiences. Think about Metallica pre The Black Album. They were big, but became more of a household name when they didn't confine themselves to the same thrash metal songs they were recording. Exactly. It seems straitouttanashville prefers the ZBB to be where they were with their first two or three records rather than the expansive collective they've turned in lately. I don't think "Beautiful Drug" was a horrible choice as a single at all. It's a stretch, maybe, but this is a band that's constantly done such kinds of things ("The Wind" was far more traditional/bluegrass than most contemporary things at the time). Zac Brown Band will be fine. Their sales are strong and I'd suspect that they can sell quite a bit during the holiday season. Really, their problem isn't a personal opinion on the sound of the album, it's that album sales are down across the board except for perhaps 2-3 mainstream artists (Taylor's included in that discussion). "Beautiful Drug" also uses multiple vocalists for effect, it's not all Zac.
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Post by avalyn on Oct 22, 2015 14:01:27 GMT -5
From Bobby Bones today, Chase said new single from the new album will be out probably in January. He's pulling for a song called Whisper. The label seems to support him on wanting to move on from Ignite the Night to the new album. The label head was out last week at a show and asked him what he wanted to do next, he told them to push this song until it was done (which he said it is now) and wanted a new single out ASAP but in the end they were probably going to wait until January. Also worth noting he mentioned this song was 51 weeks old and he's been ready to move on since week 20. I am guessing due to how slow it was moving that he was just ready to move on to something new. www.bobbybones.com/onair/bobby-bones-2072/chase-rice-talks-girls-music-14058166
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Oct 23, 2015 13:06:35 GMT -5
I expect him to drop about 20 f-bombs when he finds out that this missed #1. Maybe he will also make vulgar death threats to a PD.
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Post by avalyn on Oct 23, 2015 18:14:07 GMT -5
I expect him to drop about 20 f-bombs when he finds out that this missed #1. Maybe he will also make vulgar death threats to a PD. He is aware of it, he mentioned how it peaked at #2 and joked Luke needed his 50th number one and wouldn't let him have his first and laughed it off really because yeah, while he wants a #1 (of his own as an artist, not a writer) he was ready to move on from this song for awhile now. It's in the interview I posted right above you from yesterday.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Oct 23, 2015 20:53:04 GMT -5
I expect him to drop about 20 f-bombs when he finds out that this missed #1. Maybe he will also make vulgar death threats to a PD. Couldn't help myself on this one.
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