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Post by Au$tin on Dec 27, 2014 16:36:52 GMT -5
While I think "BB" would do well as a single, and I don't dislike the song personally, I think it would inevitably be talked about as "that song about Katy Perry" and that's giving KP way more attention than she deserves. Ofc, it would be cute if she ended up with 4 #1's off the album and then used "BB" to get her fifth... Or as her sixth. :kii:
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Post by tommymonster44 on Dec 27, 2014 17:18:48 GMT -5
Bad Blood and Style both had a very strong reception and high sales for non singles. Both are obvious single choices, and it seems pointless to be arguing which smash will smasher harder than the other smash.
The largest thing to consider is seasonal timing, as well as to how each song sounds in relation to the previous singles.
With those two things in mind, I think that it makes sense to release Style before Bad Blood. She hasn't really played up the 80's element of the album and I think Style will contribute something new.
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Post by NeRD on Dec 28, 2014 6:26:28 GMT -5
Idgaf how well other songs are selling OOTW better be a single at some point or I'll cut a BITCH.
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Post by Az Paynter on Dec 28, 2014 8:30:53 GMT -5
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Post by Keelzit on Dec 28, 2014 9:48:36 GMT -5
03. Style 04. Woods 05. Wildest Dreams or I Know Places 06. Bad Blood (6th #1 --> breaks Katy's record) 07. New Romantics (featuring Lorde)
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Post by Az Paynter on Dec 28, 2014 12:46:36 GMT -5
03. Style 04. Woods 05. Wildest Dreams or I Know Places06. Bad Blood I Wish You Would (6th #1 --> breaks Katy's record) I'd rather go with this.
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Post by Living Legend on Dec 28, 2014 14:02:59 GMT -5
I'm surprised that "All You Had To Do Was Stay" never gets any love. I think it has an infectious sing a long chorus and would make a great single at some point. I do agree that "Style" and "Bad Blood" should be the next 2 singles though. I personally don't think "Out Of The Woods" will be released. It will be the "All Too Well" of 1989.
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Post by kanimal on Dec 28, 2014 23:38:31 GMT -5
I'm surprised that "All You Had To Do Was Stay" never gets any love. I think it has an infectious sing a long chorus and would make a great single at some point. I do agree that "Style" and "Bad Blood" should be the next 2 singles though. I personally don't think "Out Of The Woods" will be released. It will be the "All Too Well" of 1989. I feel like "All You Had to Do Was Stay" and "How You Get the Girl" are both in that same class of being excellent, catchy pop songs but devoid of a special gimmick or X factor that makes them obvious standouts. Depending on the length and momentum of the campaign, one might end up going since it would be a safe way to get at least some airplay, but this week's sales rush says Girl, not Stay, should get the nod. The thing working against How You Get the Girl is that it might not thematically/tonally fit with the other singles. All You Had to Do Was Stay seems to line up better with the rest of the lineup. I don't know that I quite see the All Too Well comparison as far as single selection goes (no one really thought ATW should be a serious player at pop radio, did they?), but I do see the comparison in the sense that OOTW seems like it might be more popular with diehards/critics than more casual radio consumers. So I, too, wouldn't be surprised if it's not a single. And while I do think it's way poppier and more radio-friendly than ATW, the light sales interest this week can't make anyone confident (the fact that it was an instant grat isn't an argument, because fellow pre-release track Welcome to New York fared much better, and millions more people own Shake it Off and Blank Space and those also sold well). ============ On the topic of Blank Space, the response continues to be amazing. And I totally buy the call-out scores: I can't seem to find anyone who doesn't like it.
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Post by musiciscool on Dec 29, 2014 11:45:36 GMT -5
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Post by Az Paynter on Dec 30, 2014 7:08:51 GMT -5
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Post by Au$tin on Dec 30, 2014 14:21:07 GMT -5
With "Blank Space" still being so "new" and still having such a low burnout rate on callout scores, I would not be surprised in the least to see it rebound a lot in the January Meltdown and surpass 18000 again.
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Dec 30, 2014 15:32:31 GMT -5
Is it safe to say this is a bigger smash than SIO?
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Post by Clauss on Dec 30, 2014 16:07:49 GMT -5
Using this thread as support link
Totals so far: SIO 825790 BS 337560 Average per week for it's 7 first weeks (the ones that BS's been reported): SIO: 59.352 BS: 48.222 but BS is low because it had 2 weeks, one at #18 and #13, and then it exploded at #1 Then counting since it exploded, like simulating a SIO debut: Counting 5 first weeks for SIO and 5 last of BS: SIO: 60.734 BS: 60.142 Then i say, they are pretty similar, even though i think BS is bigger, and it's gonna end bigger This all will come down to longevity
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Post by Spidey on Dec 30, 2014 16:11:18 GMT -5
Is it safe to say this is a bigger smash than SIO? Yes.
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Post by theflying on Dec 30, 2014 22:09:38 GMT -5
Is it safe to say this is a bigger smash than SIO? Yes. No. Shake It Off is bigger. Shake it Off has a bit of the polarizing factor that Blank Space doesn't have, meaning it has moe detractors, but the scope and reach of a hit like Shake It Off was HUGE.
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Post by surfy on Dec 30, 2014 22:12:07 GMT -5
I would argue that they're both pretty equal, but whatever.
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Post by jjose712 on Dec 31, 2014 7:04:16 GMT -5
No. Shake It Off is bigger. Shake it Off has a bit of the polarizing factor that Blank Space doesn't have, meaning it has moe detractors, but the scope and reach of a hit like Shake It Off was HUGE. Shake it off is bigger now, but at the end of its chart run Blank Space will be her bigger hit
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Post by Spidey on Dec 31, 2014 14:13:02 GMT -5
No. Shake It Off is bigger. Shake it Off has a bit of the polarizing factor that Blank Space doesn't have, meaning it has moe detractors, but the scope and reach of a hit like Shake It Off was HUGE. A song being polarizing doesn't make it a bigger hit. "Blank Space" has clearly had more of an impact with the video alone. People who aren't normally fans of Taylor Swift are loving the song. It will end up selling more, being a bigger radio hit, has had more weeks at #1 on the Hot 100 (most in her entire career), and has had a bigger impact on pop culture than "Shake It Off" ever did. How is it not the bigger hit?
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Post by Kii on Dec 31, 2014 14:18:53 GMT -5
Didn't even check this til very recently but this is like literally the only Taylor song I've ever loved. Even though the backing melody of the chorus reminds me of Amnesia by Britney lol. (waiting for that mash up ;P) Taylor's on a roll though. Good on her.
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Post by theflying on Dec 31, 2014 14:37:39 GMT -5
No. Shake It Off is bigger. Shake it Off has a bit of the polarizing factor that Blank Space doesn't have, meaning it has moe detractors, but the scope and reach of a hit like Shake It Off was HUGE. A song being polarizing doesn't make it a bigger hit. "Blank Space" has clearly had more of an impact with the video alone. People who aren't normally fans of Taylor Swift are loving the song. It will end up selling more, being a bigger radio hit, has had more weeks at #1 on the Hot 100 (most in her entire career), and has had a bigger impact on pop culture than "Shake It Off" ever did. How is it not the bigger hit? You're misunderstanding. You're mixing up Blank Space, which is more universally loved, with Shake It Off, which is a bigger hit but with more of a mixed reaction. Shake It Off had massive reach. The song is still in the top 10. It would've been number one for something absurd like 12 weeks if AATB didn't block it. Blank Space is a smash hit, but it's not going to have quite the longevity of Shake It Off, nor is its reach going to span the kind of broad demographics the way Shake It Off did and for that length of time.
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Post by nick64 on Dec 31, 2014 15:04:24 GMT -5
A song being polarizing doesn't make it a bigger hit. "Blank Space" has clearly had more of an impact with the video alone. People who aren't normally fans of Taylor Swift are loving the song. It will end up selling more, being a bigger radio hit, has had more weeks at #1 on the Hot 100 (most in her entire career), and has had a bigger impact on pop culture than "Shake It Off" ever did. How is it not the bigger hit? You're misunderstanding. You're mixing up Blank Space, which is more universally loved, with Shake It Off, which is a bigger hit but with more of a mixed reaction. Shake It Off had massive reach. The song is still in the top 10. It would've been number one for something absurd like 12 weeks if AATB didn't block it. Blank Space is a smash hit, but it's not going to have quite the longevity of Shake It Off, nor is its reach going to span the kind of broad demographics the way Shake It Off did and for that length of time. Umm...how do you know how long "Blank Space"'s longevity is gonna be. As of now, there's absolutely no reason to predict it won't have longevity. And I don't understand this whole reach thing you're talking about. It's on the same formats as "Shake It Off", and is doing just as well if not better on all of them. It's already her biggest hit on Rhythmic and is #1 on Hot AC as well. The video is reaching tons of people too. Seven weeks at number one is insane, and it looks like it's gonna hold for a few more as well. And then you have to take into account the fact that the album itself has sold ~3 million, which detracts from the single's sales. So as a lead single, its sales would be even bigger. Also, "Shake It Off" had Spotify during a large portion of its run. "Shake It Off" and "Blank Space" are both absolutely massive hits, so I don't really understand the point of this arguement in general, but your points for saying that "Shake It Off" is and will remain bigger are completely baseless.
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Post by theflying on Dec 31, 2014 16:42:41 GMT -5
Shake It Off was loved by a huge variety of demographics and it reached them for a long time.
It's the kind of thing where you know Happy was a crazy huge smash not just because of its number one weeks, but because everyone's grandmother loved it as well as th grandchildren.
The debate is premature, absolutely. Blank Space is a tremendous hit.
I just think people keep underestimating how huge Shake It Off was because AATB was just a bit more massive.
So I think you have people underestimating how huge Shake It Off was while being a touch hasty on Blank Space. Blank Space is nearing its apex. It's too soon to know how massive it was, because longevity is huge in determining how big a song is.
Blank Space is a massive smash hit, but I just think the jury's out if it'll have the longevity of Shake It Off.
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Post by jjose712 on Dec 31, 2014 17:16:26 GMT -5
Well, longevity is something we'll have yet to see, we are not talking about Counting Stars, not even Stay with me, SIO and BS are still in the early stage of their chart run. If my memory doesn't fail not even SIO reached its 20th week, so it's pretty premature to claim longevity (even when it's true that it looks it's chart run will end being way over the 20th week mark).
In terms of sales it's difficult to say which song will end selling more, in terms of airplay performance it seems pretty clear right now that Blank Space will get a better chart run in most formats. Yes SIO had the bad luck of being against AATB during part of its chart run but it's not like BS doesn't have strong competition.
At this rate maybe in three months we'll be discussing if Style is her biggest hit to date
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Dec 31, 2014 17:35:00 GMT -5
So what are the sales for this so far? Round 2.5-6 million? Should blow past "Shake It Off" with ease (digitally speaking).
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Post by Clauss on Dec 31, 2014 19:03:13 GMT -5
If we compare WANEGBT and SIO, she made a huge jump in terms of longevity, but like Jose said before, it is still in its early weeks, the comparing it into the big one examples of longevity is not right yet
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Post by Juanca on Jan 1, 2015 1:24:36 GMT -5
Yeah I don't understand how people can compare longevity this early in both songs' runs. I also think SIO was seen as slightly juvenile from a critical viewpoint (lyrics and video wise) whereas BS is seen as more lyrically mature. So I really think BS is in a better position right now to be a hit even bigger than SIO.
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Post by Keelzit on Jan 1, 2015 3:56:56 GMT -5
The real question is whether SIO or BS or both is/are bigger than Trouble though.
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Post by nick64 on Jan 1, 2015 4:37:42 GMT -5
The real question is whether SIO or BS or both is/are bigger than Trouble though. I'd say so. Hot 100 peak aside, I don't think "I Knew You Were Trouble."'s sales were as consistently good as "Shake It Off"'s and "Blank Space"'s. It had a few huge weeks, but I remember it being around #3-5 on iTunes for most of its single run. My memory could be failing me though. Plus, it didn't have nearly as much cultural impact as the 1989 singles. I remember for about a week or two there was some discussion going around about Taylor Swift releasing a dubstep song, but that's pretty much it.
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