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Post by Hussy on Dec 24, 2014 22:26:36 GMT -5
So it seems that this era will be just like Katy's Teenage Dream era, perhaps bigger
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Post by Clauss on Dec 24, 2014 22:40:15 GMT -5
Already bigger in terms of Albums sales, if she can do 5 #1's, then surpassing Fearless as her best selling is a given
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Post by josh on Dec 25, 2014 0:10:57 GMT -5
I wonder what its spins would be at if there weren't a freeze going on right now. 18,000+ is crazy considering the circumstances. My guess is that it'd be nearly 20,000 without. 20000 spins would put it at 114.29 spins per station, which is WAY beyond the current record. Highly unlikely, but quite likely she would beat the record, just not by that much. Already bigger in terms of Albums sales, if she can do 5 #1's, then surpassing Fearless as her best selling is a given Selling 7 million is a huge amount. She's ~halfway there now, but sales will inevitably die down considerably in January. Way too soon to be making predictions like that.
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Post by Az Paynter on Dec 25, 2014 6:34:26 GMT -5
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Post by Az Paynter on Dec 26, 2014 6:29:49 GMT -5
Merry Christmas. POP:1 1 TAYLOR SWIFT Blank Space 17437 17332 105 114.373 -509 Spins -646 Bullet -4.274 Audience HOT AC:2 1 TAYLOR SWIFT Blank Space 5872 5890 -18 42.000 -149 Spins -141 Bullet -0.551 Audience AC:18 18 TAYLOR SWIFT Blank Space 314 352 -38 1.197 -35 Spins -46 Bullet -0.134 Audience RHYTHMIC:21 19 TAYLOR SWIFT Blank Space 1928 1755 173 11.375 +32 Spins +7 Bullet +0.216 Audience
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Post by Rocky on Dec 26, 2014 7:02:07 GMT -5
Yeezus.
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Post by swim on Dec 26, 2014 17:33:10 GMT -5
I wonder what its spins would be at if there weren't a freeze going on right now. 18,000+ is crazy considering the circumstances. My guess is that it'd be nearly 20,000 without. 20000 spins would put it at 114.29 spins per station, which is WAY beyond the current record. Highly unlikely, but quite likely she would beat the record, just not by that much. Already bigger in terms of Albums sales, if she can do 5 #1's, then surpassing Fearless as her best selling is a given Selling 7 million is a huge amount. She's ~halfway there now, but sales will inevitably die down considerably in January. Way too soon to be making predictions like that. Agreed. Surpassing Fearless would be huge and it's too premature to even consider it. Sales will tumble in January (for everyone) and how low they go will be very telling how far this album will go. Albums like Fearless sold that well because it consistently pulled in 100k weeks (or in the ballpark of) during typical low sales months. If 1989 can do the same throughout January and February leading up to the Grammys, then it might be time to discuss. At this point all we really know is 1989 will likely top the sales chart next month, but it won't take much to be #1.
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Post by Clauss on Dec 26, 2014 17:45:03 GMT -5
But I said that like if she could get 5 #1's as singles (comparing to teenage dream). I know we are already in single two, but i also know that Style won't perform like 22, and let the album sales tumble hard
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Dec 26, 2014 22:26:50 GMT -5
But I said that like if she could get 5 #1's as singles (comparing to teenage dream). I know we are already in single two, but i also know that Style won't perform like 22, and let the album sales tumble hard I think Style will be a hit, but people are sleeping on Bad Blood. 29 on iTunes compared to Style at 44
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Post by kmbgs on Dec 26, 2014 23:46:03 GMT -5
If BB blocks OOTW as a single I might just die
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Post by theflying on Dec 26, 2014 23:47:17 GMT -5
I always love how these Style vs Bad Blood discussions forget that the gap in quality between the two songs is way larger than the gap of fifteen some-odd iTunes placements.
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Post by musiciscool on Dec 26, 2014 23:49:41 GMT -5
"Bad Blood" and "Out Of The Woods" will probably both get to be released at some point in time. I don't see why they couldn't.
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Post by slayZ on Dec 27, 2014 0:00:29 GMT -5
I think Bad Blood has a higher chance of being a single than OOTW does. I love OOTW and I originally thought it would be released, based on everyone's initial reaction to it, but Bad Blood is surprising everyone. I never thought it would click like this but I can see why it has.
THAT said, I really hope Style follows Blank Space. Bad Blood can come after.
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Post by surfy on Dec 27, 2014 0:02:30 GMT -5
Why can't it be...
Style for Late Winter/Early Spring Bad Blood for Summer Out of the Woods for Fall/Early Winter ??? for Late Winter/Early Spring
Lead single in Summer of 2016.
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Post by slayZ on Dec 27, 2014 0:09:01 GMT -5
I really wish New Romantics could be the fifth single, a la Ours. Target holds the rights for a year.
Style Bad Blood New Romantics
Let's be real, there are only 3 singles left.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 0:26:09 GMT -5
I got a Taylor Swift book for Christmas (it's titled "Taylor Swift"), and although I will be returning it, I would definitely recommend checking it out if you're a Taylor fan, and like to read about behind the scenes things and the makings of a career and tour (Fearless). The photography is top notch as well. :)
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Post by survivorqt on Dec 27, 2014 0:38:10 GMT -5
I always love how these Style vs Bad Blood discussions forget that the gap in quality between the two songs is way larger than the gap of fifteen some-odd iTunes placements. I agree on that, but we all want chart success for Taylor. Quality does not equal chart success, and its obvious the gp(general public) likes bad blood more than style. #29 on itunes with no promo during the christmas rush is telling
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Post by slayZ on Dec 27, 2014 0:54:00 GMT -5
But Style has triumphed over Bad Blood on iTunes since the album came out...two months ago. Except for this week. It almost cracked the top 5 on iTunes based on one performance alone, which wasn't even watched by that many people, just two weeks ago.
I don't think a post-christmas bump for Bad Blood is telling at all.
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Post by Mr. Thonk Eyes on Dec 27, 2014 1:10:35 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure I'm the only one who thinks Style should be fourth, it just has a summery feel to me.
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Post by survivorqt on Dec 27, 2014 4:21:03 GMT -5
But Style has triumphed over Bad Blood on iTunes since the album came out...two months ago. Except for this week. It almost cracked the top 5 on iTunes based on one performance alone, which wasn't even watched by that many people, just two weeks ago. I don't think a post-christmas bump for Bad Blood is telling at all. after all the hoopla during release week and the week after, bad blood was consistently higher than style until the VS performance. i remember BB was in the 50s while style and WD were in the 70s
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Post by Az Paynter on Dec 27, 2014 6:39:12 GMT -5
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Post by theflying on Dec 27, 2014 11:08:29 GMT -5
But Style has triumphed over Bad Blood on iTunes since the album came out...two months ago. Except for this week. It almost cracked the top 5 on iTunes based on one performance alone, which wasn't even watched by that many people, just two weeks ago. I don't think a post-christmas bump for Bad Blood is telling at all. after all the hoopla during release week and the week after, bad blood was consistently higher than style until the VS performance. i remember BB was in the 50s while style and WD were in the 70s But again I say, is the 50s vs 70s really important when Style and WD are better songs? The latter two songs are some of her best work. Why is that consistently something that's not brought up in the debate? I get wanting Taylor to do well but christ, it's a small difference, so root for the better song/song you like. (And if that means rooting for Bad Blood, great, I'm just saying.)
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Post by theflying on Dec 27, 2014 11:16:30 GMT -5
Something I also think worth mentioning:
I'm not rooting for Bad Blood due to a few iTunes positions because Taylor Swift is not Katy Perry. I like Katy Perry OK, but her standing has taken a huge tumble in my books when she released Birthday and especially f*cking TIHWD over Walking on Air and Legendary Lovers.
She opted for intensely safe, generic, radio trite instead of two of the more sonically diverse songs on her album. I say this as someone that likes all of the songs we're talking about. I really really do. But let's call it out for what it is.
I like Taylor Swift and have a ton of respect for her because she's willing to change up her sound and has proven that she's willing to take some risks.
Bad Blood is an enjoyable song. Style is an enjoyable song. Style is also excellent work. Bad Blood is...Bad Blood.
I just think that acting that a consistent gap of around 15 iTunes positions being the rationale for a single goes against why I like Taylor Swift in the first place. This is the person whose face was on the cover of Time. Stop rooting for Taylor Swift to act like Katy Perry.
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Post by NeRD on Dec 27, 2014 14:09:00 GMT -5
Something I also think worth mentioning: I'm not rooting for Bad Blood due to a few iTunes positions because Taylor Swift is not Katy Perry. I like Katy Perry OK, but her standing has taken a huge tumble in my books when she released Birthday and especially f*cking TIHWD over Walking on Air and Legendary Lovers. She opted for intensely safe, generic, radio trite instead of two of the more sonically diverse songs on her album. I say this as someone that likes all of the songs we're talking about. I really really do. But let's call it out for what it is. I like Taylor Swift and have a ton of respect for her because she's willing to change up her sound and has proven that she's willing to take some risks. Bad Blood is an enjoyable song. Style is an enjoyable song. Style is also excellent work. Bad Blood is...Bad Blood. I just think that acting that a consistent gap of around 15 iTunes positions being the rationale for a single goes against why I like Taylor Swift in the first place. This is the person whose face was on the cover of Time. Stop rooting for Taylor Swift to act like Katy Perry. I don't think Katy Perry's situation is a good comparison at all.
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Post by theflying on Dec 27, 2014 15:13:54 GMT -5
It may not be exact, but you have two people that based on sheer force of name alone could guarantee radio play. Katy used that power to send out Unconditionally, which, fine, but after Dark Horse, still had the power to send out two of the more diverse tracks from Prism.
I love the song Birthday. TIHWD is a fun song. Neither represent the work of a pop force of nature multiple albums deep, multiple singles deep after two smashes. Those two songs were the safest, and yet she went with those.
I don't get rooting for Bad Blood unless you genuinely like the song more. How is Taylor not slaying enough that just because a mediocre effort off of 1989 is a few spots higher than one of her best, most acclaimed uptempos it should be a single first?
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Post by Rhythm Nation on Dec 27, 2014 15:19:16 GMT -5
It's not about rooting for the best song, it's about chosing the best single. Personally I think SIO is possibly the worst song on 1989, but it made a great single.
And so, I think Bad Blood makes sense as the next choice; it's catchy, a change of sound, and clearly popular on iTunes
Shake If Off Blank Space Bad Blood Style Wildest Dreams
^Perfect! And Out Of The Woods becomes the Enchanted/All To Well of this era - and I can live with that
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Post by Au$tin on Dec 27, 2014 15:34:00 GMT -5
I love how everyone's fighting about this when really, it's extremely likely BOTH songs will be singles.
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Post by jjose712 on Dec 27, 2014 15:50:48 GMT -5
I don't agree. If we go from sales, Style sold more the first week and had a highest peak on the billboard hot 100. Most people thought it was the potential biggest hit of 1989 when the album came (and before Blank Space turned a monster).
And there's another thing about Bad Blood that i don't like, and it's we go there again with personal lyrics about someone famous (Katy Perry in this case). Writing personal things is usual for singers/songwriters but in my opinion she should avoid give too many clues about who she is writing. She did a great work during the promo making fun of her public persona, and in my opinion she should stay that way, not letting people focus on something beyond the music. People are going to read into her lyrics because a good bunch of her songs are about known people (people even make totally wrong speculations like in the I know you were trouble case) but i prefer if she doesn't focus on that.
Of course given the fact that the song is doing well, it's bound to be a single, specially in an era that (at least i expect that) will get a lot of singles, as long as there's no flop in the releases she will probably will keep releasing singles
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Post by toomuchboy on Dec 27, 2014 15:55:28 GMT -5
While I think "BB" would do well as a single, and I don't dislike the song personally, I think it would inevitably be talked about as "that song about Katy Perry" and that's giving KP way more attention than she deserves. Ofc, it would be cute if she ended up with 4 #1's off the album and then used "BB" to get her fifth...
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Post by jjose712 on Dec 27, 2014 16:01:26 GMT -5
I love how everyone's fighting about this when really, it's extremely likely BOTH songs will be singles. That's true. This will be a long long era. I will be very surprised if there's less than six singles. This it's her first pop album, country albums generally keep selling in the long run, but pure pop albums keep singles on the radio to keep selling
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