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Post by Push The Button on Nov 1, 2014 23:13:52 GMT -5
EDIT: jumpy beat me by a few seconds! ;)
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Post by surfy on Nov 1, 2014 23:39:28 GMT -5
:o
I'm not surprised, but I'll admit I had my doubts, my God this is exciting!!! <3
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Post by kanimal on Nov 1, 2014 23:58:44 GMT -5
I don't think it's embarrassing as much as it is an opportunity to write yet another article with higher sales numbers to pull in more pageviews, something they've apparently been focusing on since Janice Min took the helm (and maybe before). (I also kind of doubt they're too bothered by HITS, but that's just a guess based on opinion I've heard from a couple of their current/former staff.) That's embarrassing journalism... (Notice they didn't throw Hits Daily Double a shout on the 1.3M+ scoop either)
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Nov 2, 2014 5:47:01 GMT -5
Holy shit...
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Post by Rocky on Nov 2, 2014 6:36:30 GMT -5
It better break the record. :)
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Post by Enigma. on Nov 2, 2014 6:38:15 GMT -5
Out of words with those sales!
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Post by Daniel Collins on Nov 2, 2014 6:54:26 GMT -5
YAAAS Rocky!!!
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Post by hitseeker. on Nov 2, 2014 7:27:43 GMT -5
Yass Taylor! :O
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Post by Hefty Hanna on Nov 2, 2014 9:22:57 GMT -5
Billboard loves click bait, that's nothing new. The whole "she'll probably be #1" stuff is absurd though. No one is going to sell 1/10th of her sales this week. We don't need to keep hedging on who will be #1 It's a journalism rule. You can't write something that is indeed not factual at the time of writing. Yes it should waist be #1 but the fact that it isn't #1 at this very moment means they can't report it as being #1 yet.
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Post by pnobelysk on Nov 2, 2014 10:42:00 GMT -5
Or Eminem, or Lil Wayne or a host of others A Taylor Swift release is an "event" to be sure.Β Her followup to this in a couple years may also break a million.Β I am just saying, at least at this level, there is no difference between 2014 and 2000.Β Β Β A million takes an "event" type album, and is rare in both eras but still happens given the right album As has been pointed out, what makes this unique is that if we're counting 1989, three of the past four "event" albums are Taylor Swift albums (and this is not to mention Fearless opening with 592k, an impressive number as well). Event albums may be a somewhat regular occurrence but when it's the same person, it really says something. Now, personally I think that where the theoretical difference lies is in the ending number, not the opening one. That is, assuming Taylor was a hugely popular star in 2000, she'd still be opening with close to the same numbers as she is now, maybe a bit higher just to account for economic differences and casual fans having more money to spend on spur of the moment purchases. But her ending sales numbers would probably be close to double, or even more, meaning she'd have more than one diamond album under her belt. "Event" albums are rare because they require a combination of HUGE core fanbase, flawlessly executed marketing plan that results in ubiquitous presence, and a general perception that the artist in question makes 'quality' music that you should get right away - this album to most people will be a more invested purchase, not just something you bought on a whim like a candy bar in the checkout aisle. In today's climate the issue is that general perception mark. It was something I wanted to comment on a few days ago, something dbhmr had said but I didn't have time. But having poked around different forums and online articles' comment sections I realize now that this is the biggest problem - many, many people are just not convinced that there is anything 'worth' buying. One person even said something like "Why would I waste money on your album now when I have cheap (or free) access to great music from the past 50+ years?" Now it's always been a running joke that old people hate the new kids' music, but now even the kids are hard to win over. Everything's easy to get, and it all feels disposable. Hell, it's even marketed in a disposable way. Look at how Taylor is 'sold' versus how the other big pop acts are sold, there is a very distinct difference when you think about it. Ubiquity is actually really easy if you have enough money to throw at the walls, but how do you make so many people care at once? Beyonce's self-titled album did a great job of accomplishing this but the sneak attack was a large part of that, and I don't know that Beyonce can duplicate that kind of success. I think 20/20 I really came close to securing that for Justin for good, but something happened on the way to heaven so I don't know that he has that same grip now that part II kind of went by the wayside. Adele could be the next coming of greatness or go the way of Norah Jones...Taylor is our only proven act and that is what makes her so remarkable. It isn't that opening huge is impossible but that for some reason, she and Big Machine are the only ones who are continuously getting it right. I would say eminem and his team are also nailing it down to a science now. The last three albums have all sold over 2 million, with recovery over 4 million. Two of the albums had a number one hit .
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Post by Clauss on Nov 2, 2014 10:45:55 GMT -5
Yes Eminen ft Rihanna always. Easy #1
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Post by anafan on Nov 2, 2014 13:33:48 GMT -5
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Post by carrieidol1 on Nov 2, 2014 13:47:07 GMT -5
That would be amazing... The fact that in this climate she could potentially break that record is truly incredible. It's crazy to see someone straight up defy the current sales climate. She's a beast!!!
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Post by inclinations on Nov 2, 2014 13:53:12 GMT -5
I'm shaking and crying as I go purchase another copy of the soon to be highest debut-week sales by a female artist album aka 1989.
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Post by onebuffalo on Nov 2, 2014 15:29:44 GMT -5
Can't wait for the final numbers. Go, Taylor, go! Platinum right out of the gate!
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Post by Clauss on Nov 2, 2014 16:58:50 GMT -5
Come on taylor!!! ;_;
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Post by carrieidol1 on Nov 2, 2014 17:49:17 GMT -5
Can't wait for the final numbers. Go, Taylor, go! Platinum right out of the gate! It's probably already AT LEAST double platinum considering it has probably shipped upwards of 2 million copies. I'm thinking this nears or passes 3.5 million by year's end.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Nov 2, 2014 19:16:04 GMT -5
Can't wait for the final numbers. Go, Taylor, go! Platinum right out of the gate! It's probably already AT LEAST double platinum considering it has probably shipped upwards of 2 million copies. I'm thinking this nears or passes 3.5 million by year's end. Worldwide right?
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Post by carrieidol1 on Nov 2, 2014 19:18:00 GMT -5
It's probably already AT LEAST double platinum considering it has probably shipped upwards of 2 million copies. I'm thinking this nears or passes 3.5 million by year's end. Worldwide right? No, I wouldn't be shocked if she did this just in the USA. I know it's ambitious, but so was predicting she'd possibly break the all time record for a single sales week by a female... Edit: I'm not sure which part you were referring to, but I also think she's likely already 2x platinum just in the USA alone. Certifications are based on shipments, not sales. So if 1.3 million people bought her album this week, it's not unreasonable to assume that there is/will be at least 700,000 copies shipping to and in stores next week.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Nov 2, 2014 19:53:09 GMT -5
I wonder how much this is going to blow up by the holidays-I want to say this is going to surprise us and be absolutely huge through the holidays so she may be comfortably over 3 or even approaching 4 by the end of January. However, I may just be excited about the cd right now LOL.
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Post by Green Baron on Nov 2, 2014 19:53:24 GMT -5
I might buy a copy... {Spoiler} ...on vinyl.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Nov 2, 2014 20:09:25 GMT -5
No, I wouldn't be shocked if she did this just in the USA. I know it's ambitious, but so was predicting she'd possibly break the all time record for a single sales week by a female... Edit: I'm not sure which part you were referring to, but I also think she's likely already 2x platinum just in the USA alone. Certifications are based on shipments, not sales. So if 1.3 million people bought her album this week, it's not unreasonable to assume that there is/will be at least 700,000 copies shipping to and in stores next week. I was referring to it all. 3.5 million before the end of the year would be 2.5 million over the course of the next 8 or 9 weeks, which means she'd have to sell 300K on average every week until the end of December. There could be weeks where she might hit a high sales number again (i.e., the week of Black Friday) but sales trends are definitely against it happening. I'd say 2 million is possible but not a guarantee. I also don't know how common overcertifications are anymore with a high proportion of sales being digital now (nearly 50% or so) so even it being eligible now for double platinum seems like a lot to me, but I'm not overly familiar with CD shipments and how much her label would have sent out.
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Post by CammyCan on Nov 2, 2014 20:15:39 GMT -5
No, I wouldn't be shocked if she did this just in the USA. I know it's ambitious, but so was predicting she'd possibly break the all time record for a single sales week by a female... Edit: I'm not sure which part you were referring to, but I also think she's likely already 2x platinum just in the USA alone. Certifications are based on shipments, not sales. So if 1.3 million people bought her album this week, it's not unreasonable to assume that there is/will be at least 700,000 copies shipping to and in stores next week. I was referring to it all. 3.5 million before the end of the year would be 2.5 million over the course of the next 8 or 9 weeks, which means she'd have to sell 300K on average every week until the end of December. There could be weeks where she might hit a high sales number again (i.e., the week of Black Friday) but sales trends are definitely against it happening. I'd say 2 million is possible but not a guarantee. I also don't know how common overcertifications are anymore with a high proportion of sales being digital now (nearly 50% or so) so even it being eligible now for double platinum seems like a lot to me, but I'm not overly familiar with CD shipments and how much her label would have sent out. Not saying that she will for sure cross the 3.5 million mark in the US before the end of the year (although I do believe she will AND I think 2 million is guaranteed), but this week has proven that sales trends don't apply to Taylor.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Nov 2, 2014 20:16:35 GMT -5
No, I wouldn't be shocked if she did this just in the USA. I know it's ambitious, but so was predicting she'd possibly break the all time record for a single sales week by a female... Edit: I'm not sure which part you were referring to, but I also think she's likely already 2x platinum just in the USA alone. Certifications are based on shipments, not sales. So if 1.3 million people bought her album this week, it's not unreasonable to assume that there is/will be at least 700,000 copies shipping to and in stores next week. I was referring to it all. 3.5 million before the end of the year would be 2.5 million over the course of the next 8 or 9 weeks, which means she'd have to sell 300K on average every week until the end of December. There could be weeks where she might hit a high sales number again (i.e., the week of Black Friday) but sales trends are definitely against it happening. I'd say 2 million is possible but not a guarantee. I also don't know how common overcertifications are anymore with a high proportion of sales being digital now (nearly 50% or so) so even it being eligible now for double platinum seems like a lot to me, but I'm not overly familiar with CD shipments and how much her label would have sent out. An average of 300k per week over the next two months doesn't seem outrageous at all to me. She may do more and less any given week, but overall I don't doubt that she'll sell on average 200-300k on average per week. And with regards to certifications, it wouldn't be an over certification because in the case it is certified double platinum, it will have shipped over 2 million copies. Digital downloads are also considered, I believe, so downloads would only help the case of her album already being double platinum.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Nov 2, 2014 20:17:07 GMT -5
Yeah my predictions are probably a bit high, but I think 2 is guaranteed and would be hard for her to miss. I think she will sell 2 in just the first two weeks of release+Black Friday. It would be fun if she blew up and was logging 200-300K weeks through the end of the year though lol.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Nov 2, 2014 20:17:51 GMT -5
I was referring to it all. 3.5 million before the end of the year would be 2.5 million over the course of the next 8 or 9 weeks, which means she'd have to sell 300K on average every week until the end of December. There could be weeks where she might hit a high sales number again (i.e., the week of Black Friday) but sales trends are definitely against it happening. I'd say 2 million is possible but not a guarantee. I also don't know how common overcertifications are anymore with a high proportion of sales being digital now (nearly 50% or so) so even it being eligible now for double platinum seems like a lot to me, but I'm not overly familiar with CD shipments and how much her label would have sent out. Not saying that she will for sure cross the 3.5 million mark in the US before the end of the year (although I do believe she will AND I think 2 million is guaranteed), but this week has proven that sales trends don't apply to Taylor. Absolutely, well, somewhat. Before Shake It Off came out, many people were saying she'd have her third million selling album in a row so it's not like her sales this week are completely unexpected. They're just better than expected. How long did it take her last two albums to reach 2 million? 3 million?
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Post by Clauss on Nov 2, 2014 20:22:50 GMT -5
I do think she can do it. The argument that predictions are to high are nothing after nobody saw 1.3M+ coming. I don't know what to expect, but i don't think there's a limit like "no way she do that"
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Post by carrieidol1 on Nov 2, 2014 20:25:40 GMT -5
Not saying that she will for sure cross the 3.5 million mark in the US before the end of the year (although I do believe she will AND I think 2 million is guaranteed), but this week has proven that sales trends don't apply to Taylor. Absolutely, well, somewhat. Before Shake It Off came out, many people were saying she'd have her third million selling album in a row so it's not like her sales this week are completely unexpected. They're just better than expected. How long did it take her last two albums to reach 2 million? 3 million? Red's 2012 sales: 01 1,208,000 01 344,000 01 196,000 02 144,000 02 185,000 (3X Platinum) 02 136,000 01 168,000 01 208,000 01 275,000 01 241,000 3,107,000 by 2012's end. Thanks to areyoureadytojump from a few pages back.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Nov 2, 2014 20:31:08 GMT -5
I stand corrected then. Maybe it is more possible than I thought.
I'd like her to do it if only because it would be a bright spot on what has been a pretty dismal year for albums.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Nov 2, 2014 20:38:59 GMT -5
Damn, how do I not remember Red selling that well.
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