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Post by sabre14 on Sept 14, 2015 15:41:23 GMT -5
I don't think this one will go much higher. "Smokin' And Drinkin'" has lost 23 spins and over 200k in total audience over the past four weeks, with about 500k in audience lost over the past seven days. Its sales have been good but the research isn't helping the cause as this one is not testing great (25% negative score on MB's Call-out Research with a pretty high familiarity for a song below the top 30 on MB).
I think the single choices from Platinum were just terrible for Miranda. I like "Smokin' And Drinkin'" but it looks like it just didn't stand a chance on the heels of "Little Red Wagon." I think I've heard this on the radio maybe twice, since it went for adds.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 17:29:02 GMT -5
I think it's the research that has really held this one back. This is another case of a song that is really moving units but the select sample of people who currently listen to country radio don't like it, so programmers will hardly give it a chance. Meanwhile, songs like "Young & Crazy" which really don't evoke any passion from anyone climb to #1 on the airplay charts just because they're easy radio fodder. If radio would play songs like this in more abundance perhaps their audience would expand to a wider variety of people and then research for songs like this would gradually improve.
This is one of Miranda's best tracks and easily the best on this record so it's disappointing to see that this may become her lowest-peaking single in years. It seems safe to say Miranda will be moving on to new material next, maybe after a small hiatus.
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Post by dm2081 on Sept 14, 2015 18:05:14 GMT -5
Yeah this is one of the most disappointing chart runs I've seen in a while. Looking back now, this probably wasn't the best decision for 4th single, and I'm not so sure that it's all due to "Little Red Wagon" ruining the momentum (or even Somethin' Bad to an extent). I think the auto-tune might have scared some listeners off, but like @daydrinker said, radio needs to grow a pair and play songs that evoke PASSION. If you try to make everybody happy (or not unhappy in this case), are you really accomplishing anything? Give me a station that plays more popular songs and better variety any day over one playing safe radio fodder. I still can't believe this isn't even going to make the top 30.
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Post by myeverything on Sept 15, 2015 10:11:55 GMT -5
As much as I love Ran and Platinum...it's clear the era wasn't very great to her and it's probably time to move onto the next one :|
Has anyone heard anything of possible new material for a new album or anything?
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Post by onebuffalo on Sept 16, 2015 9:51:44 GMT -5
As much as I love Ran and Platinum...it's clear the era wasn't very great to her and it's probably time to move onto the next one :| Has anyone heard anything of possible new material for a new album or anything? I personally am in favor of Miranda Lambert releasing her first greatest hits CD with two or three new songs on it.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Sept 16, 2015 9:59:43 GMT -5
As much as I love Ran and Platinum...it's clear the era wasn't very great to her and it's probably time to move onto the next one :| Has anyone heard anything of possible new material for a new album or anything? Considering she was just announced as a tour-mate with Kenny Chesney and Sam Hunt, she'll at least be touring for part of 2016. I'd assume she'll probably be writing during the tour, but I wouldn't expect new music (because of the tour) until next Summer/Fall at the earliest. UNLESS, she plans to have new music out in time for the tour; that depends on when the tour takes place (I'm assuming Summer 2016)... Which, then, it might be ideal to release a "Hits" album early in 2016, promote it during the tour with Kenny, and then maybe release a studio album in the Spring of 2017? It all depends... Does she record music when she tours? For example, I know Carrie Underwood usually works on her music, for the most part, when she isn't on tour. But I know some artists are constantly writing and recording throughout the year. Does Miranda make music while touring, or does she record when she has time "off"? If the former is the case, then it's a lot harder to predict when she'll release new music. If I had to guess, I'd say mid-to-late 2016 would be the best bet for a new Miranda album.
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Post by rsmatto on Sept 16, 2015 10:18:32 GMT -5
As much as I love Ran and Platinum...it's clear the era wasn't very great to her and it's probably time to move onto the next one :| Has anyone heard anything of possible new material for a new album or anything? Considering she was just announced as a tour-mate with Kenny Chesney and Sam Hunt, she'll at least be touring for part of 2016. I'd assume she'll probably be writing during the tour, but I wouldn't expect new music (because of the tour) until next Summer/Fall at the earliest. UNLESS, she plans to have new music out in time for the tour; that depends on when the tour takes place (I'm assuming Summer 2016)... Which, then, it might be ideal to release a "Hits" album early in 2016, promote it during the tour with Kenny, and then maybe release a studio album in the Spring of 2017? It all depends... Does she record music when she tours? For example, I know Carrie Underwood usually works on her music, for the most part, when she isn't on tour. But I know some artists are constantly writing and recording throughout the year. Does Miranda make music while touring, or does she record when she has time "off"? If the former is the case, then it's a lot harder to predict when she'll release new music. If I had to guess, I'd say mid-to-late 2016 would be the best bet for a new Miranda album. She writes all the time, she chooses songs all the time. She's actually choosing her music for her next album. It's not out of the realm to see her having recorded 3-5 songs so far and to record the rest this holiday season when she has no touring.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Sept 16, 2015 10:23:50 GMT -5
Considering she was just announced as a tour-mate with Kenny Chesney and Sam Hunt, she'll at least be touring for part of 2016. I'd assume she'll probably be writing during the tour, but I wouldn't expect new music (because of the tour) until next Summer/Fall at the earliest. UNLESS, she plans to have new music out in time for the tour; that depends on when the tour takes place (I'm assuming Summer 2016)... Which, then, it might be ideal to release a "Hits" album early in 2016, promote it during the tour with Kenny, and then maybe release a studio album in the Spring of 2017? It all depends... Does she record music when she tours? For example, I know Carrie Underwood usually works on her music, for the most part, when she isn't on tour. But I know some artists are constantly writing and recording throughout the year. Does Miranda make music while touring, or does she record when she has time "off"? If the former is the case, then it's a lot harder to predict when she'll release new music. If I had to guess, I'd say mid-to-late 2016 would be the best bet for a new Miranda album. She writes all the time, she chooses songs all the time. She's actually choosing her music for her next album. It's not out of the realm to see her having recorded 3-5 songs so far and to record the rest this holiday season when she has no touring. Knowing that, it's anyone's guess. Still, it might be beneficial to take a little hiatus from releasing music... Maybe spend 2016 touring, writing, and recording, and then come out with something epic in the Spring of 2017?
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Post by rsmatto on Sept 16, 2015 11:18:17 GMT -5
She writes all the time, she chooses songs all the time. She's actually choosing her music for her next album. It's not out of the realm to see her having recorded 3-5 songs so far and to record the rest this holiday season when she has no touring. Knowing that, it's anyone's guess. Still, it might be beneficial to take a little hiatus from releasing music... Maybe spend 2016 touring, writing, and recording, and then come out with something epic in the Spring of 2017? Why? If there's something 'stale' maybe she changes up producers for her next project, not unlike what Carrie did.
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Post by sabre14 on Sept 16, 2015 11:42:03 GMT -5
Via Windmills, Miranda Lambert's known cuts and co-writes. These are not confirmed tracks for her upcoming album, just known songs in the running to make her album. Windmills Musical Musings
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Post by carrieidol1 on Sept 16, 2015 12:00:12 GMT -5
Knowing that, it's anyone's guess. Still, it might be beneficial to take a little hiatus from releasing music... Maybe spend 2016 touring, writing, and recording, and then come out with something epic in the Spring of 2017? Why? If there's something 'stale' maybe she changes up producers for her next project, not unlike what Carrie did. Changing producers doesn't equal gaining radio support, which it seems Miranda has struggled with this era. The quality of Miranda's music has increased with every album release, in my opinion. The only issue is that a few questionable single choices completely killed her momentum at radio. So, my point from before is that sometimes a hiatus increases the demand for an artist and their music - making it so when new music does come out, fans and radio programmers who were forced to wait a while, will probably be a little more excited to play/buy the lead single and album. I don't think her music is "stale" at all, far from it, actually, I just think a small hiatus would be a good way to generate "thirst", for lack of a better term. To then increase the likelihood of getting airplay on the level she has, for the most part, since "The House That Built Me".
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 12:07:36 GMT -5
Knowing that, it's anyone's guess. Still, it might be beneficial to take a little hiatus from releasing music... Maybe spend 2016 touring, writing, and recording, and then come out with something epic in the Spring of 2017? Why? If there's something 'stale' maybe she changes up producers for her next project, not unlike what Carrie did. I don't think "stale" material was the main issue here, though. I think "Platinum" is easily her best work since "Revolution," actually. She had an eclectic mix of styles and topics as well. It seems like the main issue wasn't the material itself, but the singles damaged her momentum, and the way this album has been handled was a disaster waiting to happen. It certainly doesn't help that we (now) know Miranda was going through some major personal issues during this era, which probably put a damper on an era that was aready in trouble before the news of her divorce broke.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 12:19:22 GMT -5
I am really curious to see when Miranda comes back how much radio will accept the lead-off song. I might be the only one who thinks this but once Smoking and Drinking leaves (any week now) I think Miranda has to go for a real radio-friendly song. With the exception of Automatic none of the other songs were smart single choices well Smoking and Drinking I think should have been the 3rd single as Little Red Wagon was one of the worst choices.
There's a of me that wants Miranda to do well but at the same time I just want Carrie to get recognition for making by far better music and if it means Miranda star diminishes then I'm ok with that.
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Post by rsmatto on Sept 16, 2015 12:57:50 GMT -5
Why? If there's something 'stale' maybe she changes up producers for her next project, not unlike what Carrie did. Changing producers doesn't equal gaining radio support, which it seems Miranda has struggled with this era. The quality of Miranda's music has increased with every album release, in my opinion. The only issue is that a few questionable single choices completely killed her momentum at radio. So, my point from before is that sometimes a hiatus increases the demand for an artist and their music - making it so when new music does come out, fans and radio programmers who were forced to wait a while, will probably be a little more excited to play/buy the lead single and album. I don't think her music is "stale" at all, far from it, actually, I just think a small hiatus would be a good way to generate "thirst", for lack of a better term. To then increase the likelihood of getting airplay on the level she has, for the most part, since "The House That Built Me". Right but obviously radio thinks it's "stale" in some way. I don't think she needs any hiatus. Radio airplay just may be they're tired of the 'tude' or 'weird' songs from Miranda?
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Post by sabre14 on Sept 16, 2015 13:01:07 GMT -5
Changing producers doesn't equal gaining radio support, which it seems Miranda has struggled with this era. The quality of Miranda's music has increased with every album release, in my opinion. The only issue is that a few questionable single choices completely killed her momentum at radio. So, my point from before is that sometimes a hiatus increases the demand for an artist and their music - making it so when new music does come out, fans and radio programmers who were forced to wait a while, will probably be a little more excited to play/buy the lead single and album. I don't think her music is "stale" at all, far from it, actually, I just think a small hiatus would be a good way to generate "thirst", for lack of a better term. To then increase the likelihood of getting airplay on the level she has, for the most part, since "The House That Built Me". Right but obviously radio thinks it's "stale" in some way. I don't think she needs any hiatus. Radio airplay just may be they're tired of the 'tude' or 'weird' songs from Miranda? I think as long as the song isn't polarizing, she'll be fine. There's no doubt that a lead single would do very well for her. "Little Red Wagon" tested horribly and "Smokin' and Drinkin" hasn't tested well either (although not quite as bad). I'm really not surprised by her lack of airplay success after "Automatic", considering the songs that have been sent to radio.
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Post by rsmatto on Sept 16, 2015 13:03:26 GMT -5
Right but obviously radio thinks it's "stale" in some way. I don't think she needs any hiatus. Radio airplay just may be they're tired of the 'tude' or 'weird' songs from Miranda? I think as long as the song isn't polarizing, she'll be fine. There's no doubt that a lead single would do very well for her. "Little Red Wagon" tested horribly and "Smokin' and Drinkin" hasn't tested well either (although not quite as bad). I'm really not surprised by her lack of airplay success after "Automatic", considering the songs that have been sent to radio. That was basically my point. They're tired of certain types of songs from her that have been 3 in a row now. Plus they might not wanna play a song that mentions smoking.
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Post by sabre14 on Sept 16, 2015 13:07:17 GMT -5
I think as long as the song isn't polarizing, she'll be fine. There's no doubt that a lead single would do very well for her. "Little Red Wagon" tested horribly and "Smokin' and Drinkin" hasn't tested well either (although not quite as bad). I'm really not surprised by her lack of airplay success after "Automatic", considering the songs that have been sent to radio. That was basically my point. They're tired of certain types of songs from her that have been 3 in a row now. Plus they might not wanna play a song that mentions smoking. Basically. I really think the vocal arrangement and production on "Smokin' and Drinkin'" is why it hasn't tested all that well. The fact its coming on the heels of LRW only exacerbated the problem.
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Post by rsmatto on Sept 16, 2015 13:20:05 GMT -5
Whatever the case is, I don't think "time off" will do her much good. Just having a song radio really wants to play would be a better way to go.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Sept 16, 2015 13:44:11 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind a change of producers because Frank Liddell can be terribly ham-fisted with his production. It worked on "Little Red Wagon", but not so much on "Over You". She would sound great with Jay Joyce, but he's had his hands full lately. Michael Knox is really the only other producer I can think of who has a similar rawness, or maybe Greg Droman/Mark Wright, but they can be quite ham-fisted too.
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Post by rsmatto on Sept 16, 2015 13:52:29 GMT -5
She should record with Rachel Loy (who produces Texas artist records and would work great with Miranda, her work with William Clark Green and Adam Hood is fantastic).
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Post by 14887fan on Sept 16, 2015 14:07:07 GMT -5
A hiatus may not be what's entirely best for her, but I think it's going to happen. She's finally getting to lay low after a highly publicized divorce, her last 2 singles have underperformed, and she hasn't made a real high-profile appearance anywhere since the ACMs back in April. This era has had a lot of success -- "Automatic", "Somethin' Bad", and the Grammy-CMA-ACM trio of Country Album of the Year awards that Platinum won has given this entire cycle a great enough name that it can be put in the books now. I'm thinking she's going to be out of the public eye for a bit post-CMAs this November. I can only imagine how much she wants to write about. There's a of me that wants Miranda to do well but at the same time I just want Carrie to get recognition for making by far better music and if it means Miranda star diminishes then I'm ok with that. Because this was necessary?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 15:02:28 GMT -5
A hiatus may not be what's entirely best for her, but I think it's going to happen. She's finally getting to lay low after a highly publicized divorce, her last 2 singles have underperformed, and she hasn't made a real high-profile appearance anywhere since the ACMs back in April. This era has had a lot of success -- "Automatic", "Somethin' Bad", and the Grammy-CMA-ACM trio of Country Album of the Year awards that Platinum won has given this entire cycle a great enough name that it can be put in the books now. I'm thinking she's going to be out of the public eye for a bit post-CMAs this November. I can only imagine how much she wants to write about. There's a of me that wants Miranda to do well but at the same time I just want Carrie to get recognition for making by far better music and if it means Miranda star diminishes then I'm ok with that. Because this was necessary? Not really but i just can't take it anymore it's not even that she's overdue it's straight up snubbing and I'm sick of it.
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Post by someguy on Sept 21, 2015 20:54:56 GMT -5
Despite another minor loss, this is "Smokin' And Drinkin'"'s second consecutive week without a bullet, so it's in danger of going recurrent next week. How disappointing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 21:48:36 GMT -5
I think Miranda's biggest mistake that could've helped her gain some momentum back with radio was she should've released Roots & Wings as when it came out the sales were good and could've given her some momentum just me shooting out ideas.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Sept 22, 2015 9:29:16 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind a change of producers because Frank Liddell can be terribly ham-fisted with his production. It worked on "Little Red Wagon", but not so much on "Over You". She would sound great with Jay Joyce, but he's had his hands full lately. Michael Knox is really the only other producer I can think of who has a similar rawness, or maybe Greg Droman/Mark Wright, but they can be quite ham-fisted too. Oh God, I hope not. Jay Joyce is so hit or miss for me. Frank Liddell is probably my favorite producer so I really hope she stays with him.
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Post by bjer127 on Sept 22, 2015 9:34:48 GMT -5
I think her production choices are fine, sometimes a little weird I will admit, but she does some good straight country cuts. I wouldn't mind maybe Dave Cobb or Justin Niebank producing. Or if somehow she got teamed up with Vince Gill, via Ashley Monroe. That'd be awesome
Anyway, her/label BOTCHED the singles here. "Somethin Bad" was just too grating after like 3 listens, "Little Red Wagon" was her worst single ever IMO, and "Smokin and Drinking" is an OK song, but NOT radio friendly after the 2 previous choices
Totally shocking that "Babies Making Babies", "Holding On To You", "Hard Staying Sober", "Another Sunday In The South" or even "Platinum" weren't considered for singles.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Sept 22, 2015 12:47:24 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind a change of producers because Frank Liddell can be terribly ham-fisted with his production. It worked on "Little Red Wagon", but not so much on "Over You". She would sound great with Jay Joyce, but he's had his hands full lately. Michael Knox is really the only other producer I can think of who has a similar rawness, or maybe Greg Droman/Mark Wright, but they can be quite ham-fisted too. Oh God, I hope not. Jay Joyce is so hit or miss for me. Frank Liddell is probably my favorite producer so I really hope she stays with him. Even with the horridly out of place screaming guitars he put on "Over You"; the guitar solo on "Drunk Last Night" that's so overbaked that you can't even make out a melody, just a wall of noise; the horrible over-compression on "Red Light"; the demon-cat squealing at the start of "Somethin' Bad"… …the absolute minimalism of "The House That Built Me", the sassy looseness of "Tough", the completely appropriate grit of "Dust", the completely appropriate aggression of "Only Prettier", "Crazy Ex-Girlfriend", and "Mama's Broken Heart"… Yeah, Frank's a hit and miss for me. When he's good he's good, but when he's bad he's atrocious to my ears. I love "Over You", but that messy, screeching guitar solo jumps out to me only slightly less than a "BOB THAT HEEEEEAAAAD!!!!!!".
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Post by .indulgecountry on Sept 22, 2015 14:04:13 GMT -5
"Somethin' Bad" was a logical choice for radio because it was a Carrie Underwood duet and it did what it was supposed to do which is sell well and get a lot of people's attention, even if the song was polarizing enough that it didn't sail to the top like it should have. After that everything fell apart with releasing the most polarizing follow-up possible in "Little Red Wagon" next and just dropping the ball with long breaks between singles and minimal promotion after the new year. If her personal life as of late is to blame for any of that though, I'd understand. But despite all that, I still think it's ridiculous that this song is struggling this much. I could've seen it flaming out early in the teens like her last single, but good grief at a Miranda Lambert single floundering in the 30's. That's just downright BS and honestly offensive. There's just no excuse for this to not at least make the Top 20. The days of Miranda missing the Top 20 with anything should be well behind us now tbh. The performance of this is just shameful for country radio.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2015 14:32:44 GMT -5
"Somethin' Bad" was a logical choice for radio because it was a Carrie Underwood duet and it did what it was supposed to do which is sell well and get a lot of people's attention, even if the song was polarizing enough that it didn't sail to the top like it should have. After that everything fell apart with releasing the most polarizing follow-up possible in "Little Red Wagon" next and just dropping the ball with long breaks between singles and minimal promotion after the new year. If her personal life as of late is to blame for any of that though, I'd understand. But despite all that, I still think it's ridiculous that this song is struggling this much. I could've seen it flaming out early in the teens like her last single, but good grief at a Miranda Lambert single floundering in the 30's. That's just downright BS and honestly offensive. There's just no excuse for this to not at least make the Top 20. The days of Miranda missing the Top 20 with anything should be well behind us now tbh. The performance of this is just shameful for country radio. I don't think you understand though Miranda has no momentum with radio the song is testing very poorly and name recognition can only get you so far. This song is not what radio stations want play right now and really Miranda Lambert's name recognition is the only reason it's made it as far keep in mind it's the fourth release off the album. I still wish instead of Little Red Wagon they would have released Roots & Wings instead that could have given Miranda some momentum back.
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Post by carriekins on Sept 22, 2015 14:33:39 GMT -5
This song honestly bores me to tears so I'm just over here like "eh, whatever."
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