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Post by samsager3 on Jul 19, 2015 7:46:03 GMT -5
Actually my spelling and punctuation is as good as many other posters and if he wanted to do that then he should have done it in the Luke Bryan thread not in Miranda's that's all I'm saying. And calling me out for what I said about one artist with a totally different style than another is kind of like calling someone out for what they said the taste of an apple was like compared to an orange: No he said it in this thread cause it was hard to understand. We are not trying to make you like this song. But when u keep saying artists should make the same stuff over and over I'm sorry that's boring and predictable. I'm gonna stop now. So all kinds of kinds, the house that built me, and automatic are the same thing I also liked over you I just don't like this kind of song for her and I think that's the kind of stuff she should stick to its not boring the songs are done in different ways they aren't the same song that's just how I feel. And how was it hard to understand? Because I'm giving my oppinion on two different songs in the apropriate threads. It's hard for me to understand why he would bring up an oppinion of a song I had in another thread when it had no bearing on how I feel about this song at all.
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Post by samsager3 on Jul 19, 2015 7:48:53 GMT -5
Excuse me? I don't need the spelling and punctuation lesson this isn't school and I didn't ask for it. I'm being a troll by giving my opinion? When you pretty munch sum up what they list the troll standards as being in the forum rules I'm pretty sure your the troll. It says not to bring up other artists material from other threads with the sole intent to start an argument which you clearly did. I don't like the song sorry I'm never going to like it, I liked the songs I listed from her I consider them to of the slower type you don't it's. Smarter of oppinion, your entitled to yours and I'm entitled to mine. I won't even bring Bryan's song into this as it has no business in this thread other than to say that's the style I like from him. Ahem.... Just look at this page. pulsemusic.proboards.com/thread/149614/luke-bryan-kick-dust?page=10You weren't upsetting anyone, but by doing so, you are derailing a thread. And you wanna talk about upsetting another? Just look at this regarding about Carrie's single, which was ALSO done to upset Carrie fans such as 14887fan, .indulgecountry, etc. Finally, you are being a troll by not just insulting me, but Kanenrá:ke, raylatch98, who responded to you earlier. Two wrongs don't make a right. I'm just questioning your theories as I thought you have some vendetta against female artists, but none against male artists. I'm sorry if I hurt you, but this is just discussion. I had my say, now we wait for jhomes87 for the verdict. Against isn't your place to bring up other threads in this threads discussion and all the threads you showed and mentioned I believe I put that it was my oppinion and I didn't want to offend anyone. I have stated my oppinion in those threads but I'm pretty sure that's what this forum is for. But personal attacks against someone is also a big trolling no no which I have yet to do. But you seem fine with doing.
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Jul 19, 2015 7:49:43 GMT -5
No he said it in this thread cause it was hard to understand. We are not trying to make you like this song. But when u keep saying artists should make the same stuff over and over I'm sorry that's boring and predictable. I'm gonna stop now. So all kinds of kinds, the house that built me, and automatic are the same thing I also liked over you I just don't like this kind of song for her and I think that's the kind of stuff she should stick to its not boring the songs are done in different ways they aren't the same song that's just how I feel. And how was it hard to understand? Because I'm giving my oppinion on two different songs in the apropriate threads. It's hard for me to understand why he would bring up an oppinion of a song I had in another thread when it had no bearing on how I feel about this song at all. As I stated in my previous post, I'm sorry for bringing up Luke. My intention was to ask you whether you have some gender bias as I'm assuming that you think all females should do slower songs but males should do uptempo stuff. But you brought Kelsea up and now I understand.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2015 7:58:15 GMT -5
Okay. How about let's stop going after each other in this thread? It's fine to challenge one another's viewpoint from time to time, but that's different than outright calling somebody out for potentially violating board rules. If you feel that someone violated board rules, just ignore them, report the post, and move on. I'm gonna lock this thread for a bit...will re-open it later today.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2015 23:16:04 GMT -5
Thread's open again.
Just please try to focus on "Smokin' and Drinkin'" and not on other members.
Thanks!
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Post by fearlessarrow on Jul 20, 2015 10:22:08 GMT -5
^Something sure seems to have taken the wind out of this era, and I can't quite put my finger on it. Some of it has to be with the single choices..."Somethin' Bad" sold well but wasn't quite received as good; "Little Red Wagon" was just a mistake all around. I also think we were all teased with this song at last year's CMA Awards thinking it was the next single...and then it wasn't. I'm inclined to think that in doing so it has slightly hurt the chances of this getting off to a good start. I still think they missed an opportunity to give "Another Sunday in the South" a try at radio. The singles choices and the time between singles have been such a mess this era. I don't understand why Miranda's team decided to handle the Platinum era like this. I mean, Why out of all the possible choices would they pick "Little Red Wagon" as the follow-up to "Somethin' Bad"? I've always seen it as one of those songs that would sell well but not do so well on radio. So releasing this wouldn't be a bad choice, but when you're following up "Somethin' Bad" which wasn't too well received on radio? Not exactly a good choice imo. But I feel like this start is TOO slow for a Miranda single even with all these factors considered.
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Post by jasonthescott on Jul 20, 2015 11:06:56 GMT -5
^Something sure seems to have taken the wind out of this era, and I can't quite put my finger on it. Some of it has to be with the single choices..."Somethin' Bad" sold well but wasn't quite received as good; "Little Red Wagon" was just a mistake all around. I also think we were all teased with this song at last year's CMA Awards thinking it was the next single...and then it wasn't. I'm inclined to think that in doing so it has slightly hurt the chances of this getting off to a good start. I still think they missed an opportunity to give "Another Sunday in the South" a try at radio. The singles choices and the time between singles have been such a mess this era. I don't understand why Miranda's team decided to handle the Platinum era like this. I mean, Why out of all the possible choices would they pick "Little Red Wagon" as the follow-up to "Somethin' Bad"? I've always seen it as one of those songs that would sell well but not do so well on radio. So releasing this wouldn't be a bad choice, but when you're following up "Somethin' Bad" which wasn't too well received on radio? Not exactly a good choice imo. But I feel like this start is TOO slow for a Miranda single even with all these factors considered. It was definitely a combination of things. Following SB with LRW (which is too similar) and the gaps between official singles has definitely wrecked this era. There are far better songs on the album they should have taken a risk with, like Priscilla, Bathroom Sink or even Another Sunday.
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Post by dm2081 on Aug 18, 2015 16:20:10 GMT -5
This one just has not taken off with radio yet. Sales are decent considering the airplay, but nothing that's gonna blow your socks off. Miranda really seems to have little momentum right now considering her A-list status. If this song doesn't start moving, it might be lucky to crack the top 15.
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Post by myeverything on Aug 19, 2015 20:25:31 GMT -5
Can't even think of the last time I've heard this one on country radio, sadly
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Post by defying gravity on Aug 19, 2015 21:51:49 GMT -5
Wow, Miranda really has been having a terrible year. Between her divorce and her diminishing momentum (I can't even remember her last #1), I'm certain this will not be a year she will fondly look back on.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Aug 19, 2015 22:52:32 GMT -5
I don't get why this is struggling to take off. It's Miranda Lambert and it's selling pretty well, so it should be doing a lot better. "Little Red Wagon" wasn't a big hit but it shouldn't have really derailed her momentum that much that this can't still be successful. I did hear this today though on radio for like the second time (I think) and it sounded lovely.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 11:26:18 GMT -5
"Platinum" is a stellar album, and I'm really disappointed to see Miranda's singles struggling so much lately. This era has been so mishandled, which is a shame considering how superb the album is.
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Post by sabre14 on Aug 20, 2015 11:50:47 GMT -5
Miranda's lost over 500k in audience the past two days and that has this song at a net loss of over 200k in audience this week. "Smokin' And Drinkin'" only got 1 add this past week as well.
This song is still relatively young but it's clear that Miranda has little in the way of momentum right now and even though I enjoy this song, it still isn't like anything else on the radio, so I'm not that surprised that this one has been struggling lately.
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Post by myeverything on Aug 21, 2015 16:58:38 GMT -5
This is super disappointing.
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Aug 22, 2015 9:54:30 GMT -5
It's such a shame, this is probably been the worst era as far as albums go for her. Only 2 top 10 Airplay and she hasn't had a hit since SB with Carrie in 2014. Time to go write for another album I'm thinking. Sony has handled this terribly. I agree with others that 2015 is probably a year she wants to forget.
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Post by layne on Aug 22, 2015 14:26:07 GMT -5
This song is selling better than a few songs that I see moving up pretty good. Mainly Blake Shelton's and Tim McGraw's new ones.
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Post by sabre14 on Aug 22, 2015 14:35:37 GMT -5
This song is selling better than a few songs that I see moving up pretty good. Mainly Blake Shelton's and Tim McGraw's new ones. Right but Blake is one of the two biggest stars in the genre with a super radio-friendly song and Tim is still a huge star himself, with his song being a lead single with a massive amount of momentum. "Smokin' And Drinkin'" is really different compared to what radio spins and Miranda's momentum is very low right now. Stations are obviously timid about converting Miranda's song at the present time (testing), which is a shame since it is selling well, but that's just one thing that factors into what radio will play. "Smokin' And Drinkin'" has lost 42 spins and 30k in audience over the past six days, so this song will have to rally tomorrow to keep its bullet on MB.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2015 15:30:10 GMT -5
This one won't get much higher (unfortunately) which I kind of figured would happen. "Automatic" was a great choice but then it went downhill from there, with "Somethin' Bad" being a bit too unlike Miranda. Even country music's queen (Carrie) couldn't get that one to top 5. Then the polarizing and grating "Little Red Wagon" followed by an odd break. Not sure what they were trying to accomplish, aside from giving Little Big Town time to get "Girl Crush" off the air.
I actually think "Girl Crush" could be hurting this one too, as radio was more or less forced into playing that one. Here's another song they really don't want to play with Little Big Town's name attached to it. I doubt it has a big impact, but I bet it's there. (note I don't think LBT will have any problem with "Pain Killer" because that is a friendly tune).
The question we should be asking now is: is it even worth it for them to pick another single off this album? For such a great album, they picked absolute nonsense of radio songs (aside from "Automatic"). I can confidently say that "Platinum", "Priscilla" and "Another Sunday in the South" probably would have done better than this one. It's like Sony was trying to create a completely new unique sound for Miranda with the labels they picked. The issue with that is Miranda already had a unique sound and she was awesome at it.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Aug 23, 2015 12:45:26 GMT -5
I think that the contrast between LBT's and Miranda's voices gives the sound a bit of a metallic/flanger feel that's almost distracting at times, though not nearly to the effect of Patty Loveless' clashingly intrusive harmonies on Alan Jackson's "Monday Morning Church". Other than that, I like this song.
I actually thought "Little Red Wagon" was the best of the first three singles off this album because of how colorful and interesting it was; I liked "Somethin' Bad" even if it wasn't the best song in the world and didn't really do anything new; and we all know quite clearly by now my utter hatred of "Automatic". Still, I get why people have been complaining about the single choices off this album cycle.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2015 12:53:03 GMT -5
It's interesting that you mention the contract of the harmonies (are there added production effects?). One of my friends asked me last night who sang this song because she couldn't tell who it was. She said it sounded like Miranda kind of but that there were a bunch of voices. This is someone who knows country artists and who has a substantial musical background.
Something like that could definitely hurt this song's chances, I'd think.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Aug 23, 2015 21:33:26 GMT -5
It's interesting that you mention the contract of the harmonies (are there added production effects?). I think that some of it is just the contrasting voices. No two people have the exact same vocal timbre in terms of how they "attack" the note, sustain, or otherwise phrase things, so when singing harmony, there are often subtle changes that one has to make in one's delivery to blend properly. This is why, as I hinted to upthread, Patty Loveless sticks out so egregiously on "Monday Morning Church"; her timbre is considerably different from Alan Jackson's. It also sounds like she recorded her vocal track separately from Alan's, thus meaning they couldn't play off each other to blend their voices better; it also sounds like she was mixed too high relative to him. The same seems to be true of all the obtrusive harmonies sung by Angela Hurt on most of Rodney Atkins' big hits. Conversely, this sometimes gets over-compensated by mixing too low; examples of this include many of Martina McBride's lines on her and Clint Black's "Still Holding On", or near the end of "Already Gone" by Sugarland, where Jennifer is singing two separate lines that are mixed lower, and Kristian is mixed higher, to bring out each part of the "round" more. The main culprit here is probably Kimberly. She always sticks out to my ears on LBT songs because her voice is higher and less husky than her bandmates — not that I think she clashes, she's just more prominent on an individual level. And then to layer that slight vocal imbalance on top of Miranda, who doesn't perfectly match the four other voices behind her. It's that slight "imbalance" twice over that gives that slight "metallic" sound that I mentioned, although it does seem to be augmented slightly with a subtle flanger/reverb effect. Other subtler examples of such disparity can be heard to an extent on any Gloriana song from when Cheyenne was still a member, as her voice was quite different from Rachel, Tom, or Mike's. Another good example is Lee Roy Parnell's version of "Take These Chains from My Heart". The parts where Ronnie Dunn is singing under Lee Roy really drive home the fact that, while the two men have very similar voices (to the point that I consider "What Kind of Fool Do You Think I Am" the best Brooks & Dunn song not recorded by Brooks & Dunn), there are still subtle enough differences in their phrasing that make things a bit clashy when they sing together. tl;dr: Singing smooth harmony is tricky, but frankly, I don't mind the subtle disparities that less-than-perfect harmonies can make.
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Post by sgtoddball on Aug 24, 2015 11:02:15 GMT -5
I don't buy this song isn't radio friendly etc. Miranda is/was considered an A-lister. Anything she sends out should be getting at the very least top 15 even if it's not a radio favorite. I'll say this, I think Miranda could see the same fate as LeeAnn Rimes in the future.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2015 11:26:25 GMT -5
I don't buy this song isn't radio friendly etc. Miranda is/was considered an A-lister. Anything she sends out should be getting at the very least top 15 even if it's not a radio favorite. I'll say this, I think Miranda could see the same fate as LeeAnn Rimes in the future. Although Miranda is the top female in Country music right now (alongside Underwood), I still don't see her as a radio darling, by any stretch of the imagination. She's had ONE number one single on the Country charts, and she's still continued with extremely spotty chart runs. Her singles aren't zooming up the charts quickly, and if she's such a radio staple, then she wouldn't be having such inconsistent success with her singles. Granted, it doesn't help matters when her label is sending out polarizing material like "Little Red Wagon" and "All Kinds Of Kinds" (among others), but still, if she was as much of a radio darling as some folks suggested, her singles would be zooming up the charts. But, her singles didn't even do that her biggest era (Revolution), so I don't see why it should come as a surprise when her singles are struggling during a pretty lackluster era, either. Anyway, back to this song. I didn't enjoy it at first, but it really grew on me once I lived with "Platinum" for a little while. It's different from anything else on the album (and certainly different from anything on radio), and I think the layering really gives it an atmospheric kind of effect. I do wish LBT/Miranda were a bit more distinct as individuals here, but I can see what they were going for here, and it (mostly) works for me. It would've been easy to put these two acts in the studio and create some ear-candy radio fodder, so I appreciate they took a more left-field approach with this. I personally really love the lyrics and production here, but I don't really agree with it as a single choice, espcially considering there were much better options. If there's anything Miranda doesn't need right now, it's stalled momentum,, but this single will (unfortunately), might do more harm than good, considering where this era is right now.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2015 11:47:52 GMT -5
I think RCA just really ruined this Era. Something Bad really ran into cruddy timing. Little Red Wagon was one of the worst choices ever and now Smoking and Drinking is paying for it
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Aug 24, 2015 21:18:38 GMT -5
Honestly I see this as the last single off Platinum. Her momentum is literally dead. She has the goods to be a radio darling but her label keeps making these stupid single choices.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Aug 26, 2015 10:53:24 GMT -5
I think her label was to blame for all the gaps in between single releases and the whole switchup from this to "Little Red Wagon" in the winter, but I don't think the single choices are all that bad. Really the only poor choice imo was "Little Red Wagon" for being totally polarizing, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if that had been Miranda's call to see that released purely because I get the sense that it's one of her favorites. I think the state of the Platinum era would've been a lot better if there hadn't been so many gaps in between singles and if LRW had not gone to radio, but if Eric Church can come back from polarizing flops that sell well, I don't see why Miranda Lambert shouldn't. This chart run is frustrating to see.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Sept 2, 2015 16:01:21 GMT -5
So I just saw this on YouTube and I'm wondering if maybe they're just gonna roll with this and not shoot an official music video, sadly.
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Post by bamafan2102 on Sept 2, 2015 16:21:24 GMT -5
This was one of my favorite albums when it hit. The singles plowed this album into the ground. Sunday in the South is excellent and Platinum is just a fun track. Something Bad was not a good song much less a single. LRW is right in Miranda's wheelhouse but not in radios. Smokin is a great song but just doesn't fit right now.
Where does she go from here? Who knows but I have a feeling we may get something very different from Miranda next time.
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Post by Marv on Sept 8, 2015 16:05:38 GMT -5
I agree that releasing two songs as bombastic as Something Bad and Little Red Wagon was a mistake, and I certainly wasn't surprised that Somerhing Bad barely made the top 10.
When it comes to botching choices for singles, Tim has no competition thanks to the horrendous choices from both his Live Like You Were Dying and Let It Go CDs, and cost himself at least 3 or 4 more charttoppers, and the possibility that the extraordinary Blank Sheet Of Paper could have conceivably stopped that schlocky Craig Morgan tune from topping the year-end charts in 2005.
My best guess as to why this tune isn't climbing the charts much faster stems solely from the stranglehold which the males have had on the charts in recent years, since numerous songs with two format superstars USUALLY torches the charts, even if it's atrocious and mercifully disappears very rapidly after peaking as Truck Yeah did.
I do like this song a lot, and there's certainly nothing else on the radio which sounds like it, which may absurdly be an issue for some MDs for whatever reason.
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Post by sabre14 on Sept 8, 2015 16:28:25 GMT -5
My best guess as to why this tune isn't climbing the charts much faster stems solely from the stranglehold which the males have had on the charts in recent years, since numerous songs with two format superstars USUALLY torches the charts, even if it's atrocious and mercifully disappears very rapidly after peaking as Truck Yeah did. I do like this song a lot, and there's certainly nothing else on the radio which sounds like it, which may absurdly be an issue for some MDs for whatever reason. Females do have an overall tougher time on the charts vs. their male peers but I don't think that's the problem here. To me, Miranda has lost all her momentum from "Little Red Wagon" (which effects her getting lost in the shuffle, even as big as an artist she's considered, that can happen sometimes), along with "Smokin' And Drinkin's" testing. This song is just not testing that well. It currently as one of the highest total negative on MB Call-out (26%). The only songs with worse numbers are "Real Life" And "Honey, I'm Good"...no surprise, those songs aren't exactly having a stellar time either, and both are male singers. This song just sounds out of place compared to other tracks on PD's playlist. The fact it hasn't tested that well only reinforces stations to not convert it into heavier rotation then where it currently is. The sales have been very good but not so amazing ("Girl Crush") that radio just cannot ignore it. I think "Smokin' And Drinkin's" chart run isn't all that surprising and I see this one getting to the top 30 but that's about all. Miranda's only gained about 800k in total MB audience the past 30 days (just over four weeks).
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