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Post by sabre14 on Sept 23, 2015 13:03:31 GMT -5
"Smokin' And Drinkin'" will go recurrent on MB this Sunday if it can't re-bullet, which isn't good odds since its lost 100 spins and 350k in audience so far this week (loss of 55 spins and 235k in audience today).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2015 13:05:16 GMT -5
It's really sad to see one of her best songs to date in my opinion underperform. I'm hoping we get some new music from her sometime next year.
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Post by jenglisbe on Sept 23, 2015 13:11:39 GMT -5
As much as I love Ran and Platinum...it's clear the era wasn't very great to her and it's probably time to move onto the next one :| While she may not have had a lot of big hits this era, I don't think you can say the era wasn't great to her. The album won the Grammy, the CMA, and the ACM for Country Album of the Year. That's a rare sweep. "Automatic," for better or worse, won the ACM for Song of the Year and the CMA for Single of the Year. "Somethin' Bad" had some of her best digital sales and streaming ever and hit #1 on Country Songs. 98% of artists would kill for that kind of a poor era.
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Post by onebuffalo on Sept 23, 2015 13:42:36 GMT -5
Let's do average chart position with the singles from Four The Record versus Platinum:
Four The Record: Baggage Claim-2012-#3 Over You-2012-#1 Fastest Girl In Town-2012-#3 Mama's Broken Heart-2013-#2 All Kinds Of Kinds-2013-#15 Average chart position: 4.8
Platinum: Automatic-2014-#3 Somethin' Bad-with Carrie Underwood-2014-#7 Little Red Wagon-2015-#16 Smokin' And Drinkin'-with Little Big Town-#33 Average chart position: 14.75
Wow! A ten point fall in average chart positions between the two albums. I will echo myeverythingku and say it is time to move on. If the current A.C.M. and C.M.A. Female Vocalist and Group of the Year can't combine for a big hit, there's something wrong somewhere.
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Post by spencer on Sept 23, 2015 21:28:42 GMT -5
Let's do average chart position with the singles from Four The Record versus Platinum: Four The Record: Baggage Claim-2012-#3 Over You-2012-#1 Fastest Girl In Town-2012-#3 Mama's Broken Heart-2013-#2 All Kinds Of Kinds-2013-#15 Average chart position: 4.8 Platinum: Automatic-2014-#3 Somethin' Bad-with Carrie Underwood-2014-#7 Little Red Wagon-2015-#16 Smokin' And Drinkin'-with Little Big Town-#33 Average chart position: 14.75 Wow! A ten point fall in average chart positions between the two albums. I will echo myeverythingku and say it is time to move on. If the current A.C.M. and C.M.A. Female Vocalist and Group of the Year can't combine for a big hit, there's something wrong somewhere. Yes there is something wrong somewhere ..........the ACM & CMA voters.
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Post by myeverything on Sept 23, 2015 21:42:13 GMT -5
As much as I love Ran and Platinum...it's clear the era wasn't very great to her and it's probably time to move onto the next one :| While she may not have had a lot of big hits this era, I don't think you can say the era wasn't great to her. The album won the Grammy, the CMA, and the ACM for Country Album of the Year. That's a rare sweep. "Automatic," for better or worse, won the ACM for Song of the Year and the CMA for Single of the Year. "Somethin' Bad" had some of her best digital sales and streaming ever and hit #1 on Country Songs. 98% of artists would kill for that kind of a poor era. I never said it was a "poor" era. We're talking radio success here aren't we? Coming from a big fan of Miranda, I think it's safe to say she's seen better radio success with some of her previous albums.
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Post by matty005 on Sept 23, 2015 21:44:49 GMT -5
Let's do average chart position with the singles from Four The Record versus Platinum: Four The Record: Baggage Claim-2012-#3 Over You-2012-#1 Fastest Girl In Town-2012-#3 Mama's Broken Heart-2013-#2 All Kinds Of Kinds-2013-#15 Average chart position: 4.8 Platinum: Automatic-2014-#3 Somethin' Bad-with Carrie Underwood-2014-#7 Little Red Wagon-2015-#16 Smokin' And Drinkin'-with Little Big Town-#33 Average chart position: 14.75 Wow! A ten point fall in average chart positions between the two albums. I will echo myeverythingku and say it is time to move on. If the current A.C.M. and C.M.A. Female Vocalist and Group of the Year can't combine for a big hit, there's something wrong somewhere. Yes there is something wrong somewhere ..........the ACM & CMA voters.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2015 22:25:31 GMT -5
Yeah, the award nominations don't tell us anything about how successful this era was for Miranda. The CMAs will nominate Miranda for awards regardless of what she releases or how popular it is, so the awards have basically become meaningless for her, and I think a lot of people in the industry realize this.
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Post by tim on Sept 23, 2015 22:36:41 GMT -5
The CMAs will nominate Miranda for awards regardless of what she releases or how popular it is, so the awards have basically become meaningless for her, and I think a lot of people in the industry realize this. This year's CMA industry insiders would probably disagree with you lol.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Sept 24, 2015 8:50:25 GMT -5
From the beginning of her career, Miranda has not been particularly reliant on a string of radio top-10 hits to sell, and oddly enough, her most consistent album in terms of top-10 hits (Four the Record) was her weakest in translating spins to album sales. Granted, Platinum has sold less than Four the Record, but taking into account the market decline, I think Platinum has done a better job of translating exposure to sales than its predecessor. I think that both albums were marred by weak single choices, however.
I'm not as fond of "Smokin' & Drinkin'" as a lot of people here were, but it is a little surprising to see it sputter short of a top-20 peak. Even Eric Church's more polarizing singles have done better (the title track of his current album also didn't make the top-20, but I think it might have had it not been yanked for another single). It's difficult for me not to chalk that up to the difference in how country radio treats singles from women versus those from men.
In any event, I may be absorbing too much messaging from Miranda's social media and public appearances, but she has made it clear that she is immersing herself in music post-divorce. I think that she is shrewd enough about commercial relevance to know that there will be a lot of interest in what she has to say on her next album and to want to capitalize on that moment to restore her position at radio. So this is speculation only but I wouldn't be surprised to hear a new single from her early next year with an album out in late spring/early summer 2016. I'll be interested to see what she performs at the CMAs this year. I did think it was interesting and possibly noteworthy that Miranda only acknowledged her CMA Vocal Event nomination with Little Big Town on social media this year. Perhaps an attempt to promote a struggling single, but it did make me wonder if that was her way of acknowledging how silly the dynamics of voting in other categories have become.
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Post by sabre14 on Sept 24, 2015 9:19:12 GMT -5
This one will most certainly go recurrent on MB this Sunday as "Smokin' and Drinkin'" has lost 164 spins and over 500k in audience this week.
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Post by jenglisbe on Sept 24, 2015 9:44:42 GMT -5
While she may not have had a lot of big hits this era, I don't think you can say the era wasn't great to her. The album won the Grammy, the CMA, and the ACM for Country Album of the Year. That's a rare sweep. "Automatic," for better or worse, won the ACM for Song of the Year and the CMA for Single of the Year. "Somethin' Bad" had some of her best digital sales and streaming ever and hit #1 on Country Songs. 98% of artists would kill for that kind of a poor era. I never said it was a "poor" era. We're talking radio success here aren't we? Coming from a big fan of Miranda, I think it's safe to say she's seen better radio success with some of her previous albums. Saying "the era wasn't great to her" is certainly an implication that it was a poor era. What other conclusion should we draw? Her radio success wasn't as good as it has been for some other albums, but it's better than for her debut and on par with Crazy Ex-Girlfriend. Even Revolution had a lead single that didn't do too well (though I love "Dead Flowers"). Platinum has actually sold well, too, considering its lack of big hits. The album itself had critical raves, and its CMA, ACM, and Grammy wins are an extension of that. I think the issue is more that her sound didn't fit country radio. "Automatic" did well, but then "Somethin' Bad" only did ok. It has more of a rock sound, and I think it disappointed fans who expected more of the duet. Still, it sold well and had really good streaming. There was then some weird stuff in deciding the third single, and I think that killed momentum some. And, really, who though "Little Red Wagon" would do well on country radio? I actually like the track a lot, but it was definitely a risk for country radio. Female artists don't have the advantage of getting to take risks in country music. Then by the time "Smokin and Drinkin" was pushed again, there wasn't much momentum left in the project. I don't think Miranda will have any problems with her next lead single, assuming it's pleasing to country radio.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2015 12:01:55 GMT -5
"Smokin' and Drinkin" has really grown on me since "Platinum" came out, and it's really discouraging to see such an excellent album be given such a fate based on terrible single choices. I normally wouldn't say a lead single has that much of an impact on an album era, but I think (in Miranda's case), it didn't help her get off to a good start, and the subsequent following singles continued to be the proverbial nail in the coffin. It absolutely boggles my mind that they chose to release any of these singles, (let alone the most polarizing song on the album), when "Another Sunday In The South," "Priscilla," "Girls," or "Platinum" could have easily gotten her back into radio's good graces. If LBT and Miranda had recorded and released something a tad more radio-friendly, there's no doubt a duet between them would be seeing such a fate; Country's female artists don't have the luxury of seeing anything they release shoot up the charts, and her label should not have relied on name-recognition alone, when S&D is hardly radio- friendly to begin with. I can see why S&D didn't become a hit (and the delay between the CMA performance and release certainly didn't help matters), but I was much more surprised that "Somethin' Bad" wasn't a massive hit more than LBT's offering. A duet between Country's leading ladies should have been absolutely massive, but it just (kind of) came and went. As 43dudleyvillas said, though, Miranda has never really relied on radio to move albums, and her album sales have always been quite impressive, considering she didn't really "break out" until the "Revolution" era. She's never had a Carrie Underwood type career (meaning success right out of the gate), and I think that's something worth noting. Even if she had no radio support, she's always had a pretty big fanbase, and I don't think radio would ever be essential for her, anyway. I'm sure her next lead single will do pretty well, and I wouldn't be surprised if she offers something more radio-friendly this time around. I'm excited to see what Miranda has in store for her next era, but I have a feeling her personal life will take priority on this new project, so I wouldn't be surprised at all if she didn't focus on radio and focused on delivering a really hard-hitting album.
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Post by jenglisbe on Sept 24, 2015 19:36:41 GMT -5
"Somethin' Bad" had great downloads and streams, so it's (relative) lack of success can be put on radio.
Even off Revolution, "Only Prettier" missed the top 10. The first 4 singles off the last album all did well, but "All Kinds of Kinds" flopped. So, she has a history of not always having big radio hits.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Sept 24, 2015 21:20:53 GMT -5
Even off Revolution, "Only Prettier" missed the top 10. The first 4 singles off the last album all did well, but "All Kinds of Kinds" flopped. So, she has a history of not always having big radio hits. This is true, but I feel like someone of Miranda Lambert's stature now should accept no less than a Top 20 peak for anything. This isn't performing the way a Miranda Lambert single should be performing, regardless of the moderate performance of "Little Red Wagon." If this died in the teens like LRW due to it being a bit polarizing, then okay, but in the 30s? No. Just no. I don't think this is exactly radio friendly, but I also don't see anything about this that makes sense for it to be peaking in the 30s, either.
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Post by jenglisbe on Sept 24, 2015 21:32:27 GMT -5
Even off Revolution, "Only Prettier" missed the top 10. The first 4 singles off the last album all did well, but "All Kinds of Kinds" flopped. So, she has a history of not always having big radio hits. This is true, but I feel like someone of Miranda Lambert's stature now should accept no less than a Top 20 peak for anything. This isn't performing the way a Miranda Lambert single should be performing, regardless of the moderate performance of "Little Red Wagon." If this died in the teens like LRW due to it being a bit polarizing, then okay, but in the 30s? No. Just no. I don't think this is exactly radio friendly, but I also don't see anything about this that makes sense for it to be peaking in the 30s, either. Keep in mind it had two runs. It's release was so strange, that I'm not sure we can view it like a regular single. I mean, did the stations who played it the first time add it back into rotation, or were those stations done with it? If its two runs were placed on top of one another, might it have gone top 20? I also wonder if the "smokin'" aspect was a little divisive. Carrie Underwood has taken some criticism for "Smoke Break" and she's had to explain the song isn't actually about smoking. Miranda's song directly mentions smoking.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Sept 24, 2015 21:56:49 GMT -5
This is true, but I feel like someone of Miranda Lambert's stature now should accept no less than a Top 20 peak for anything. This isn't performing the way a Miranda Lambert single should be performing, regardless of the moderate performance of "Little Red Wagon." If this died in the teens like LRW due to it being a bit polarizing, then okay, but in the 30s? No. Just no. I don't think this is exactly radio friendly, but I also don't see anything about this that makes sense for it to be peaking in the 30s, either. Keep in mind it had two runs. It's release was so strange, that I'm not sure we can view it like a regular single. I mean, did the stations who played it the first time add it back into rotation, or were those stations done with it? If its two runs were placed on top of one another, might it have gone top 20? It didn't though. It was performed on the CMAs and had a one-week sales spike but was never actually released to radio after that. The only official release it got was this summer.
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Post by jenglisbe on Sept 24, 2015 22:02:22 GMT -5
Keep in mind it had two runs. It's release was so strange, that I'm not sure we can view it like a regular single. I mean, did the stations who played it the first time add it back into rotation, or were those stations done with it? If its two runs were placed on top of one another, might it have gone top 20? It didn't though. It was performed on the CMAs and had a one-week sales spike but was never actually released to radio after that. The only official release it got was this summer. Did it not chart during that time it was performed, though? I could swear I saw it on the Mediabase charts. Maybe not.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Sept 24, 2015 22:14:32 GMT -5
It didn't though. It was performed on the CMAs and had a one-week sales spike but was never actually released to radio after that. The only official release it got was this summer. Did it not chart during that time it was performed, though? I could swear I saw it on the Mediabase charts. Maybe not. It only charted momentarily on the HCS chart based off sales. No airplay.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Sept 28, 2015 9:52:32 GMT -5
This is true, but I feel like someone of Miranda Lambert's stature now should accept no less than a Top 20 peak for anything. This isn't performing the way a Miranda Lambert single should be performing, regardless of the moderate performance of "Little Red Wagon." If this died in the teens like LRW due to it being a bit polarizing, then okay, but in the 30s? No. Just no. I don't think this is exactly radio friendly, but I also don't see anything about this that makes sense for it to be peaking in the 30s, either. Keep in mind it had two runs. It's release was so strange, that I'm not sure we can view it like a regular single. I mean, did the stations who played it the first time add it back into rotation, or were those stations done with it? If its two runs were placed on top of one another, might it have gone top 20? I also wonder if the "smokin'" aspect was a little divisive. Carrie Underwood has taken some criticism for "Smoke Break" and she's had to explain the song isn't actually about smoking. Miranda's song directly mentions smoking. Are fans really so conservative that they're getting up in arms over smoking?! Ludicrous.
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Post by sabre14 on Sept 28, 2015 11:49:22 GMT -5
I saw a conversation on twitter today involving Windmills, where a person said that Miranda said at a show last night that "Bathroom Sink" was probably her next single and its been added to her setlist.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2015 12:07:27 GMT -5
I saw a conversation on twitter today involving Windmills, where a person said that Miranda said at a show last night that "Bathroom Sink" was probably her next single and its been added to her setlist. I hope they don't release Bathroom Sink and not cause it's a bad song but Miranda just has absolutely zero momentum like it's honestly best for Miranda to take a few months off as well this is just ridiculous for her label to release another song. But I will say Bathroom Sink is a pretty decent song just why bother
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Post by 14887fan on Sept 28, 2015 12:32:53 GMT -5
...why would they release "Bathroom Sink" over the hit potential in "Girls", "Priscilla", or "Another Sunday in the South"?
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Post by .indulgecountry on Sept 28, 2015 12:48:29 GMT -5
...why would they release "Bathroom Sink" over the hit potential in "Girls", "Priscilla", or "Another Sunday in the South"? This. But after "Little Red Wagon" so I'm starting to wonder if she even gives a fuck right now. I do know that at least "Priscilla" has no hope of being a single now though given its subject matter about being married to Blake. I can see the point in releasing another single from Platinum because she's likely not even close to having new material so she'd be off the radio for awhile, but I am still a little surprised they'd bother because the performance of "Smokin' and Drinkin'" was incredibly disheartening. I really hope it was just a fluke that one didn't catch on and she can at least manage a Top 20 hit with "Bathroom Sink," though I really wish it was "Another Sunday in the South" getting a release instead.
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Post by dm2081 on Sept 28, 2015 13:05:27 GMT -5
What did "Another Sunday In The South" ever do to Miranda to deserve such treatment? Release it as a damn single already, it's the safest freaking option and it's actually good.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2015 15:47:10 GMT -5
Why release "Bathroom Sink" when her momentum is in the toilet? (See what I did there?) In all seriousness, I can't think of any other reason they'd release another single from this album other than Miranda might need more time to reflect on recent events. But even so, couldn't they get 1 single choice right for once from this album?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2015 17:09:56 GMT -5
Why release "Bathroom Sink" when her momentum is in the toilet? (See what I did there?) In all seriousness, I can't think of any other reason they'd release another single from this album other than Miranda might need more time to reflect on recent events. But even so, couldn't they get 1 single choice right for once from this album? As Nick mentioned above, Miranda probably isn't even close to having new music ready, so this would serve as a placeholder for her, and likely give her a shorter dry spell at radio than if they pulled the plug on "Platinum" now. I don't dislike "Bathroom Sink," but it's in the bottom tier of the album, and I think it has quite a few noticeable weaknesses. Even as a big Miranda fan, I find the over-exaggerated twang (and pronounciation in general), to be extremely grating, and the production is so loud. I think the song had potential to be great, but it falls short of the mark for several reasons. At this point, there's no harm in releasing another single, but it strikes me as more of a strategic move more than an artistic one. As several have already mentioned, it's disheartening that her team couldn't even hit the mark ONCE with this era. This is the most mishandled era I've seen in recent memory, and I still don't think her team should have dropped the ball basically from the start, Damn shame it had to happen to such a great album.
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Post by someguy on Sept 28, 2015 18:41:24 GMT -5
I'm so torn about this. "Bathroom Sink" is a great song (and I think highlights Miranda, along with Kacey Musgraves, as a successor of the Mary Chapin Carpenter-style of realism songwriting that is missing in today's country music), but I don't see it being the one to right the ship after the last couple of missteps.
"Priscilla", the album's obvious hit, won't see the light of day now, but that still leaves "Another Sunday In The South", "Platinum" and "Girls" that are far more radio-friendly. I prefer "Gravity Is A Bitch", "Babies Making Babies" and "Two Rings Shy" to those three, but they are risky choices that she quite frankly can't afford now.
I'd love for "Bathroom Sink" to at least make the top 20, but it will be so disheartening to see it outright flop, which I fear it might. Following a #1 or a top 5, I'd be all for it, but I really don't know if "Bathroom Sink" is the one to bring her back after a couple of real underperformers.
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Post by jenglisbe on Sept 28, 2015 19:19:21 GMT -5
Why is no one mentioning "Holding Onto You" - with its "Thinking Out Loud" vibe - as a potential single? Anyway, I am more in the camp of "Why bother with a fifth single?"
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Post by countrygirl918 on Sept 28, 2015 19:45:51 GMT -5
Why is no one mentioning "Holding Onto You" - with its "Thinking Out Loud" vibe - as a potential single? Anyway, I am more in the camp of "Why bother with a fifth single?" Although "Holding Onto You" isn't as obviously about Blake as "Priscilla" is, I can't see her releasing a love song right now, with everything that's happened over the last few months. I enjoy "Bathroom Sink," although it's always been one of my lesser-played tracks from Platinum. As others have already said, there are much safer choices if they must release a fifth single ("Another Sunday in the South" should be an obvious choice). I'm not usually an advocate for "safe" radio singles, but Miranda needs it right now. This is probably her most mishandled era in terms of radio singles - it's like the label didn't know how to handle the era, so they've just been throwing stuff out there and hoping it sticks. It doesn't seem like they've had a real plan for the era, though perhaps Miranda's personal issues threw the label's original single choices into turmoil and that's why it's felt so haphazard? I can understand them wanting to release a fifth single if it's still going to be a while before Miranda's next album is ready, but "Bathroom Sink" is another baffling choice.
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