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Post by spencer on Dec 15, 2014 14:20:32 GMT -5
It's always baffled me as to how winners are picked for country industry awards. It's pretty clear that the most successful sellers, hit makers, tours, broad appeal, and all around vocal and performing abilities, don't cut it for country's group(s) of voters. While there is real danger of subjective opinions in making these types of selections, there are actual numbers associated with the criteria used to guide the voters. However this data is either ignored and/or deemed irrelevant. Example, look at the last 2,3+ years' candidates for EOTY, just to name one category . The criteria for the different categories are pretty much ignored either in part or in value. So, I guess 'new' just for the sake of change, is just as good a reason as being the industry's personal pick, to win an award. Let the data regarding record sales, radio success, etc. be damned, the country song critics love you, whoever he/she/they is/are. If awards were based solely on some defined criteria that could be measured and definitively proven, then there'd be no point to awards at all. This is especially evident with the Grammys, which rewards artists for creating excellent music, regardless of whether they fit the mainstream mold to allow them airplay and thus the platform to be more popular/sell more records/singles. And at the end of the day, someone like FGL i.e. not winning a bunch of industry awards is moot since they reap plenty of rewards from their sales and radio play as it is without an additional trophy to say the same thing. So are you saying that country awards are meant to recognize those country artists who experience mediocre sales and chart success because other country artists who have consistent sales and chart success are recognized elsewhere????????? Anyway....At least the defined criteria is just that, defined. If they're not based solely on stats, what exactly are they based on? Opinions? And how much weight would these opinions have? Perhaps the weighting changes depending on who the voting body 'wants' to win? I don't know. From where i sit the method used to award country artists in the country industry is a mystery. A proper 'puzzlement !
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Post by Kurt on Dec 15, 2014 15:02:39 GMT -5
Impacts January 12, according to Play MPE.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Dec 15, 2014 17:57:57 GMT -5
So are you saying that country awards are meant to recognize those country artists who experience mediocre sales and chart success because other country artists who have consistent sales and chart success are recognized elsewhere????????? Uh, no. My point is basically let's say Album of the Year goes to whatever album sells the most copies in a year. Well in that case, why even hand out an award? You would just count up who sold the most and just give the award to that person. There'd be no need to nominate four other albums for instance, there'd be no suspense from revealing it on an award show, and above all else, there'd be no point in giving an award to someone at that point.
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Post by 14887fan on Dec 15, 2014 20:42:14 GMT -5
And in a completely logical move, she performed "Platinum" on the ACC Awards tonight.
So, let's get this all set straight. She did "Smokin' and Drinkin'" on the CMAs after it was confirmed that it was her next single. Then she announced over one month later that "Little Red Wagon" is the next single and was shipped to radio today. In following, she performs "Platinum" on the next "high-profile" (I use that term loosely bc lol @ this show lasting any longer than 2-3 years, tops) televised show she's set to perform at.
Makes sense.
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Post by Kat5Kind on Dec 15, 2014 21:05:21 GMT -5
Platinum strikes me as a much better choice for radio :(
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Post by ant on Dec 15, 2014 21:37:28 GMT -5
I just don't get what her team is thinking. Are they now re-thinking their choice for this as the single too? Perhaps they had planned on "Platinum" being the single and prepared to play it tonight, but then changed it to "Little Red Wagon" last minute?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2014 21:50:04 GMT -5
How odd that Miranda performed Platinum instead of Little Red Wagon.
The only reason I could think of for the choice is that they're saving the debut performance of LRW for a bigger awards show, and they didn't feel like the ACC's was the proper place to roll it out.
I thought S&D was a downright odd single choice from the start, and I can see why they went for something a bit more left field and quirky.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Dec 15, 2014 21:59:05 GMT -5
I didn't think it was odd that she performed "Platinum" tonight. She'll be doing "Little Red Wagon" on the ACMs come April, so she might as well mix it up a bit, especially considering she's already had a couple televised performances for LRW this past year. Showcasing album tracks from Platinum with these performances can only help her, not hurt her imo.
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Post by carriefan15 on Dec 16, 2014 0:58:00 GMT -5
I didn't think it was odd that she performed "Platinum" tonight. She'll be doing "Little Red Wagon" on the ACMs come April, so she might as well mix it up a bit, especially considering she's already had a couple televised performances for LRW this past year. Showcasing album tracks from Platinum with these performances can only help her, not hurt her imo. April is 4 months away though.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Dec 16, 2014 1:12:15 GMT -5
I didn't think it was odd that she performed "Platinum" tonight. She'll be doing "Little Red Wagon" on the ACMs come April, so she might as well mix it up a bit, especially considering she's already had a couple televised performances for LRW this past year. Showcasing album tracks from Platinum with these performances can only help her, not hurt her imo. April is 4 months away though. The adds date isn't until January 12, 2015 and with the Christmas slowdown, this isn't going to really start to take off until then. And it'll probably wind up peaking around April, so that's actually the perfect time to perform it, imo. I'm guessing viewership for tonight's show paled in comparison to the numbers the ACMs usually pull, and since the single isn't really going to begin it's chart run until next month, performing it tonight was not a necessity.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 11:10:10 GMT -5
I didn't think it was odd that she performed "Platinum" tonight. She'll be doing "Little Red Wagon" on the ACMs come April, so she might as well mix it up a bit, especially considering she's already had a couple televised performances for LRW this past year. Showcasing album tracks from Platinum with these performances can only help her, not hurt her imo. April is 4 months away though. Like .indulgecountry alluded to, with "Little Red Wagon" not going for adds until January, it probably won't even peak at radio until May or June at the absolute earliest (mid-May is about 17-18 weeks away from January 12/the adds date, and 17-18 weeks is the minimum amount of time I'd expect a Miranda single to chart. More likely, this song will spend 20-24 weeks on the chart or so, unless it flames out early). Thus, it's quite likely that Miranda will perform LRW on the ACM's in April. As for her performance of "Platinum" on the ACCA's, it doesn't really strike me as odd. It's the title track of her album after all, so the thought process was probably that it would boost album sales. Anybody who watched the show and saw her performance might now be more inclined to buy the Platinum album when they see it on store shelves.
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Post by Uncle Lumpy on Dec 16, 2014 11:50:00 GMT -5
I went back and re-listened to this track again thinking I had missed something after seeing quite a few positive opinions here. I just dont see a song that could best be described as country-punk going into high rotation even with todays radio & could even see this as a career damaging record.
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Post by carriefan15 on Dec 16, 2014 16:28:37 GMT -5
^ Of course, it makes sense for Miranda to perform it at the ACMs...it just seems odd to wait that long to perform it on TV. But maybe, she will be performing at the Grammys or some other little televised events before then.
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Post by 14887fan on Dec 16, 2014 18:03:30 GMT -5
^ Of course, it makes sense for Miranda to perform it at the ACMs...it just seems odd to wait that long to perform it on TV. But maybe, she will be performing at the Grammys or some other little televised events before then. I could definitely see Miranda Lambert getting a Grammy performance slot. She's nominated in every Country category and they would never not show at least one Country category on air. I think her and Eric Church will be the two representatives for the genre on the show this year, which is perfectly fine with me.
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Post by kw9461 on Dec 16, 2014 23:58:17 GMT -5
I went back and re-listened to this track again thinking I had missed something after seeing quite a few positive opinions here. I just dont see a song that could best be described as country-punk going into high rotation even with todays radio & could even see this as a career damaging record. I hear the same thing you're hearing. This is just awful, obnoxious, and self-aggrandizing. The only song of her's that it reminds me of is Crazy Ex-Girlfriend, Miranda's lone chart flameout. I certainly don't expect this to do that poorly, but I could easily see it missing the top 10 (or zipping up the charts to the top 10 and being off the charts well shy of 20 weeks). Hopefully they'll feel the need to swing the needle in the other direction after this and release Another Sunday In The South next.
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Post by MusicRules on Dec 17, 2014 13:38:36 GMT -5
This is my favorite song on the album! I love the attitude, and Miranda is the perfect voice for it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2014 14:38:09 GMT -5
I certainly think Miranda has a fantastic shot at earning a Grammy performance slot, but I'd be shocked if she sang LRW there. It's a patronizing song, and I couldn't see it getting much postive reception at an all-genre awards show.
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Post by countrygirl918 on Dec 18, 2014 13:13:34 GMT -5
I actually love this song and it's one of my favorite live songs of Miranda's, but I think it's a mistake to release this right after "Somethin' Bad". The two songs are very similar (though LRW is better). I would have preferred they showed off some other aspects of Platinum with the third single, such as "Holdin' Onto You" or "Hard Staying Sober".
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Post by surfy on Dec 22, 2014 21:01:50 GMT -5
I haven't been wild about any single she's released except for "Somethin' Bad". The album is great, but when it comes to individual tracks, I'm just not crazy about it like I have been with past releases from her.
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Jan 1, 2015 7:28:37 GMT -5
Debuts at #60 on Billboard Country Airplay this week.
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Post by sabre14 on Jan 1, 2015 15:04:45 GMT -5
This song came on The Highway on my way home yesterday. It was the first time hearing it in my car. I couldn't even make it all the way through. There's not many songs that have been released to radio over the years that I truly find obnoxious but this one's obnoxious. It was when the end of the second chorus hit where Miranda says "Ooh..ahh..Ooh..ahh" when I changed the station. That part I find not obnoxious but rather annoying and when I turned the dial, I thought to myself of "how in the world was this decided on as single #3 from Platinum?". Actually I do kinda know why, but it doesn't mean I agree with RCA's thinking process of generating a polarizing enough song to boost sales into the new year and to find a song that stands out on country radio. That logic can work as country radio has proven to not be shy of different (as long as its not "Donkey", lol), but I'm personally unsure how this will end up performing. A peak in the teens is still very possible.
RCA probably knows the risk with this one but for my own personal benefit, I wish they had gone with one of the stellar songs on this album that are seeing a bigger chance of never seeing the light of day with these single choices.
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Post by rsmatto on Jan 5, 2015 12:37:17 GMT -5
Speaking of radio edits, they'll have to censor the "s" word out of it. They did. (it's a blank) It also has a shorter run time of 3:15 instead of 3:24. As for the 'counter programming' idea posed by sabre14, I actually think people will think this is Miranda being Miranda.
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Post by zaclord 🌈 on Jan 6, 2015 23:31:08 GMT -5
The more I listen to this to attempt to like it, the more I hate it.
P.S. I recently learned that the lyrics "You can't ride in my little red wagon. The front seat's broken and the axel's dragging" are actually from a popular camp song. This only further confused me as to what this song is actually about...
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Post by matty005 on Jan 7, 2015 0:09:21 GMT -5
Yes, zaclord 🌈 brings up a great point. What the heck is this song about?
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Post by Typo on Jan 7, 2015 0:38:10 GMT -5
I've always taken the interpolation of that line in the chorus to mean that there's no room for a man in the narrator's life ("wagon") because she's living on the edge ("front seat broken" & "axel's draggin").
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2015 7:41:14 GMT -5
^I've always taken it as the man doesn't love her right and slows her down so she says he can't "ride"(be) with her. Anyway for the song itself, you know those songs where you don't pay attention to the lyrics but just like rocking out to? This is that to me. I don't like it as much when i first heard it, and being a guy it doesn't relate to me at all lol but i still like a lot. Also i have to chuckle at the fact that Wikipedia has the song categorized as "cowpunk" lol
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Jan 7, 2015 7:58:29 GMT -5
I went back and re-listened to this track again thinking I had missed something after seeing quite a few positive opinions here. I just dont see a song that could best be described as country-punk going into high rotation even with todays radio & could even see this as a career damaging record. I hear the same thing you're hearing. This is just awful, obnoxious, and self-aggrandizing. The only song of her's that it reminds me of is Crazy Ex-Girlfriend, Miranda's lone chart flameout. I certainly don't expect this to do that poorly, but I could easily see it missing the top 10 (or zipping up the charts to the top 10 and being off the charts well shy of 20 weeks). Hopefully they'll feel the need to swing the needle in the other direction after this and release Another Sunday In The South next. I don't think the sound of this song will turn many people off. "Only Prettier" was a lot "heavier" sounding than this, and it got to #12. This isn't remotely cowpunk.
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Post by bjer127 on Jan 7, 2015 9:55:18 GMT -5
I hear the same thing you're hearing. This is just awful, obnoxious, and self-aggrandizing. The only song of her's that it reminds me of is Crazy Ex-Girlfriend, Miranda's lone chart flameout. I certainly don't expect this to do that poorly, but I could easily see it missing the top 10 (or zipping up the charts to the top 10 and being off the charts well shy of 20 weeks). Hopefully they'll feel the need to swing the needle in the other direction after this and release Another Sunday In The South next. I don't think the sound of this song will turn many people off. "Only Prettier" was a lot "heavier" sounding than this, and it got to #12. This isn't remotely cowpunk. At least "Only Prettier" had alot of country elements to it, and a steel guitar solo (albeit drowned out by guitars). This to me is more like "Fastest Girl In Town", the song that absolutely had no meaning. Just alot of "i'm crazy" and "i ain't your baby". This was the worst song on the album for me, which is a shame. I put Platinum at the top of my year end album list. SOOO many good songs on their.
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Post by carriekins on Jan 7, 2015 10:17:55 GMT -5
I hear the same thing you're hearing. This is just awful, obnoxious, and self-aggrandizing. The only song of her's that it reminds me of is Crazy Ex-Girlfriend, Miranda's lone chart flameout. I certainly don't expect this to do that poorly, but I could easily see it missing the top 10 (or zipping up the charts to the top 10 and being off the charts well shy of 20 weeks). Hopefully they'll feel the need to swing the needle in the other direction after this and release Another Sunday In The South next. I don't think the sound of this song will turn many people off. "Only Prettier" was a lot "heavier" sounding than this, and it got to #12. This isn't remotely cowpunk. Except Only Prettier was good, had more country elements, and made sense. This is a hot mess of obnoxious, gratuitous "sass." I agree that it's significantly more in the vein of Fastest Girl in Town. I can't turn the station fast enough when this comes on.
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Post by Zazie on Jan 7, 2015 13:02:49 GMT -5
I'm confused by the lyrics of the song -- who wouldn't be? -- but even more confused by poster after poster referring to an "axel." That's a figure-skating term, to the best of my knowledge. An "axle" is a car part. Is there some reason to think there's some kind of play on words here about skating? I don't see it, myself.
Just looks and sounds like a bad song to me. Artists are entitled to the occasional miss. Here's one for Miranda.
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