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Post by trebor on Jun 23, 2015 10:31:09 GMT -5
Mediabase has historically grown to be the radio stations and trade charts alongside the Billboard (airplay) charts which still remain the official lists. Both are equally important with Billboard being the official source. I'm not quite sure what you mean by this. Mediabase and Billboard are separate companies, but both of them are official. Mediabase is more directly associated with radio (because it's owned by iHeartMedia) whereas Billboard is a magazine (they use Nielsen BDS data to publish all of their charts), but again, both of them are official sources. No arguing with both being official; and great and masterful post of yours BTW. :) My stance is that ultimately there cannot be two official sources; and all music related charts associated with the US and Canada are published by Billboard with raw data coming from one of the many sub-companies of the nielsen company empire. The Billboard charts are the ones that the world at large and the casual fan is using as a reference and which data will go down in the history books.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 10:32:54 GMT -5
^Well, clearly I don't understand these charts, but unfortunately I'm learning more and it makes me distrust the music industry more and more.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jun 23, 2015 11:42:23 GMT -5
I'm not quite sure what you mean by this. Mediabase and Billboard are separate companies, but both of them are official. Mediabase is more directly associated with radio (because it's owned by iHeartMedia) whereas Billboard is a magazine (they use Nielsen BDS data to publish all of their charts), but again, both of them are official sources. No arguing with both being official; and great and masterful post of yours BTW. :) My stance is that ultimately there cannot be two official sources; and all music related charts associated with the US and Canada are published by Billboard with raw data coming from one of the many sub-companies of the nielsen company empire. The Billboard charts are the ones that the world at large and the casual fan is using as a reference and which data will go down in the history books. Yeah, I kinda get what you're saying here. Only the Billboard charts are used on Wikipedia, for instance. I think it's a little more mainstream accepted and Mediabase is kind of more "for the chart savant."
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Post by trebor on Jun 23, 2015 11:52:59 GMT -5
No arguing with both being official; and great and masterful post of yours BTW. :) My stance is that ultimately there cannot be two official sources; and all music related charts associated with the US and Canada are published by Billboard with raw data coming from one of the many sub-companies of the nielsen company empire. The Billboard charts are the ones that the world at large and the casual fan is using as a reference and which data will go down in the history books. Yeah, I kinda get what you're saying here. Only the Billboard charts are used on Wikipedia, for instance. I think it's a little more mainstream accepted and Mediabase is kind of more "for the chart savant." +1: Exactly :) Billboard is used and quoted by The BBC, IFPI (worldwide and its national subsidiaries), Reuters, etc.
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Post by countrygirl918 on Jun 23, 2015 12:20:18 GMT -5
I guess I shouldn't be surprised. For the last several singles, it has seemed Sony didn't event attempt to get a Billboard Country Airplay #1, and have focused entirely on Mediabase. It's unfortunate, though, because I'd really like to see this hit #1 on both charts.
I'll be really curious to see if/how the radio promotions tactics change once Sony (finally) announces a new CEO. With a new CEO often comes a new promotions team, too.
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 23, 2015 12:37:49 GMT -5
Why did Mediabase become the main chart? I still like Billboard and I think that's the more important chart. Then there's also Country Aircheck, a publication that is specific to the country radio industry. Billboard is a music magazine -- yes, they cover country music, but that's only a small part of what they do. Country Aircheck is Lon Helton's business/publication, and they are associated with all things country. There's no "Pop Aircheck" or "Rock Aircheck" or "Rap Aircheck". It's a country-specific thing that has really surged in popularity over the last 5+ years. From the start, Country Aircheck aligned itself with Mediabase instead of Billboard, and that's because Lon Helton had always been a Mediabase guy rather than a Billboard guy. Prior to Country Aircheck (and prior to Country Countdown USA, the show that Lon hosts), Lon was the country editor for Radio & Records. When he went to CC-USA, they used the R&R chart, and R&R eventually started using Mediabase data instead of their own ( sabre14 probably has more details about this)...and thus, it made sense for Country Aircheck to publish the Mediabase chart rather than the Billboard one. Excellent explanation Jamie - you pretty much got everything correct. R&R as long as I can remember back, used Mediabase data. Mediabase began in the mid 80's, known originally as "Mediascan" but switched to Mediabase a couple years later. Lon started hosting CC-USA in the early 90's. Country Aircheck is just a publication name. Mediabase is the actual name of the chart data used. When Nielsen bought R&R in mid 2006, people didn't know what exactly would happen to the MB chart, but Lon quickly started up Country Aircheck and continued to hit the ground running ever since. Billboard really went down in the eyes of radio with their asinine new Hot Country Songs chart and their material not being as accessible as MB is such a crutch for today's world with people needing daily updates of everything. The only thing I wish wasn't the case with MB is the #1 pushes (which got out of hand in the late 2000's) - I never minded the points system as much as others, and their recurrent rules were much better than Billboard (IMO), back in the late 90's to mid 2000's (when I was growing up). Finally Billboard changed their recurrent rules to top 10 when songs like "If You're Going Through Hell" and "That's What I Love About Sunday' refused to leave the chart, lol. Both are official. Labels count a song hitting #1, as long as it hits #1 on either (MB or Billboard Airplay). The availability of Mediabase is a plus yes, but it has to be the manipulation that bothers me, because correct me if I'm wrong, but you only have to be #1 on Sunday to claim the top right? Like there could be a song at #1 from Monday to Saturday and if another takes the top on Sunday, the Sunday song is #1for the week, right? That annoys me. A song has to be #1 by Sunday to be an official #1 on MB, yes. However, its the same on Billboard, just Monday instead of Sunday. If a song hits #1 on the Billboard real time tracker or the MB rolling chart on Wednesday through Friday, but it falls out of #1 by Sunday and Monday, its not the #1 song for the week. That's how it has always been. Edit: And me being occupied the first portion of the day comes back to bite me again as the explanations by jhomes87 beat me to the punch, lol. I also forgot the start of page #13 when I was originally typing my response.
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Jun 23, 2015 12:41:50 GMT -5
Well I just hope they wait one week and go for #1 on both charts. If she has a shot and can survive then I say go for it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 17:26:07 GMT -5
Well, it looks like you were right about Arista pushing for the Mediabase #1 this week, @daydrinker. Good catch. From Country Aircheck Today: I don't think they would have put out this "max spins now" ad if they weren't going for max spins this week, and aiming to be #1 on Mediabase on Sunday. And so...I must say that I'm once again incredibly disappointed that Sony is only going for a Mediabase #1 here and not a Billboard #1. Although I suppose it makes some sense at how things have worked out, since "Sangria" is the bigger hit and, as 43dudleyvillas pointed out the other day, it would have looked bad if Arista mounted a big push and did battle with Black River and Kelsea Ballerini last week. Once again, Carrie has just run into rotten timing here at the end. If they wanted a Billboard #1 here, Carrie would have probably needed to peak the week that Kenny's "Wild Child" did (meaning, Kenny wouldn't have gotten to #1). The problem, of course, is that Kenny just went up a little bit faster than Carrie did, and then Carrie couldn't get to the top before Kelsea/Blake. So what I now expect to happen is Carrie will get the Mediabase #1 on Sunday, with Blake getting the Billboard #1 on Monday. Blake should easily get a 2nd week at #1 on Billboard then, along with the MB #1 on Sunday July 5. Perhaps he could even get a 3rd week at #1 on BB/2nd week at #1 on MB, but my guess is that either Tim McGraw or Jason Aldean will be ready to take over the #1 spot by July 12. In Tim's case, it actually seems like Big Machine is doing a pretty big push (maybe a 2-week push?) right now, perhaps gunning for the Mediabase #1 next week (the 5th). I still think Tim's likely to come up short, especially on Billboard, but he's certainly making things interesting.
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Post by 14887fan on Jun 23, 2015 17:38:11 GMT -5
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 23, 2015 18:39:20 GMT -5
Can't say I'm surprised since there was always a part of me that felt Sony waiting one more week would not be guaranteed with "Sangria" having a good chance to still be in Carrie's way and this push for the MB only #1 is a better shot at a #1 since I think that Warner will be more inclined to let Sony have it this week, verses any #1 the following week as Blake's song is definitely the bigger hit. Labels are perfectly content on being #1 on MB and defer to the bigger hits to take #1 on both charts most of the time. "Something In The Water" ran into horrible timing with "Talladega" and "I See You" in the way when Carrie's song was peaking, and now the same thing happened with "Love Me Like You Mean It" and "Sangria" in the way, although at least I give "Little Toy Guns" good odds to finish #1 on MB whereas "Something In The Water" never had a prayer to hit #1 on either chart (#3 peak on Billboard in fact). The cruel irony was that like jhomes87 mentioned, Carrie would have been better much suited peaking the week "Wild Child" did, but of course Kenny's song was being promoted through Sony as well and he would have missed #1, on at least one chart, then you had two forces that just weren't going to be stopped after Kenny's song was done with Kelsea and Blake. This way, Sony gets to call both "Little Toy Guns" and "Wild Child" #1 singles. Kelsea gets her historic #1, and Blake will most certainly get two weeks on Billboard and perhaps two on MB, though Jason and Tim are coming up strong. Easton was indeed the song left without a chair when the music stopped. Even though I agree most of the time when labels settle for a MB only #1, this is a rare case of wishing Carrie hit #1 on both charts since her timing could not have been worse these past two singles and two women hitting #1 on Billboard in back to back or two out of three weeks would have been great. Carrie's still got some elbow grease to get to though as she's only up 68 spins and 500k in audience on Blake since Sunday (started out about 900 total MB points behind Blake at the start of the week), though I expect some hefty numbers for "Little Toy Guns" to be put up as the week continues along.
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Jun 23, 2015 20:48:33 GMT -5
Very very frustrated with Sony at this time. I know a #1 is a #1 but a billboard #1, regardless of what formula they are using, carries more weight when it comes to the record books etc. this is the 3rd time in the last 2 years where Sony has settled for a MB only #1. I seriously think LTG could have held off Tim and Jason and peaked next week. Conceding the #1 to Blake is utterly moronic. The radio team during the SH and CR eras seemed to be able to shoot anything Carrie released To #1 with the exception of 2 singles. Even a mediocre song like Last Name spent a week at #1, where amazing songs like Two Black Cadillacs, Something In The Water and now Little Toy Guns, missed the BB #1 entirely. I just hope once they name a new CEO at Sony that they bring a new promotion team in and they put 1000% more effort than the current team has in the past 3 years.
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Post by bornfearless2000 on Jun 23, 2015 22:58:54 GMT -5
Mike Fisher can be the new CEO for Sony
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jun 24, 2015 2:09:53 GMT -5
Really disappointed that they're doing this because not only did I want to see Carrie get her first BB #1 in nearly 3 years, but I also thought that there was a good chance of it happening this time. Like, it looked like they'd be able to probably pull it off on both charts after letting "Sangria" get its week in if they had just waited until the last week of the month to do the push like many anticipated. I guess there's no guarantee that would've worked either, but I feel like it at least had a chance to wait it out one more week and go for it. It's pretty sad to see her coming up short AGAIN. :(
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Post by carrieidol1 on Jun 24, 2015 6:32:39 GMT -5
Well, this is a croc of s**t... There is no reason why this shouldn't go #1 on BB. It seems like they are just skimping out and settling for the minimum. But, why? Ughhhh...
Any chance LTG can catch "Sangria" on Billboard before the week is over?
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Post by sgtoddball on Jun 24, 2015 7:03:04 GMT -5
Well, this is a croc of s**t... There is no reason why this shouldn't go #1 on BB. It seems like they are just skimping out and settling for the minimum. But, why? Ughhhh... Any chance LTG can catch "Sangria" on Billboard before the week is over? Why? Because on Music Row there is no feeling at all that BB is the superior chart. In fact, Mediabase is looked at as equal or maybe even superior when it comes to the Country Genre.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Jun 24, 2015 7:09:51 GMT -5
Well, this is a croc of s**t... There is no reason why this shouldn't go #1 on BB. It seems like they are just skimping out and settling for the minimum. But, why? Ughhhh... Any chance LTG can catch "Sangria" on Billboard before the week is over? Why? Because on Music Row there is no feeling at all that BB is the superior chart. In fact, Mediabase is looked at as equal or maybe even superior when it comes to the Country Genre. Kinda touched on this a few posts above... Billboard is generally more referred to and the more popular chart overall. Also, considering Carrie hasn't had a Billboard Airplay #1 in 3 years, it would definitely be sweeter, I think.
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Post by sgtoddball on Jun 24, 2015 7:12:36 GMT -5
Why? Because on Music Row there is no feeling at all that BB is the superior chart. In fact, Mediabase is looked at as equal or maybe even superior when it comes to the Country Genre. Kinda touched on this a few posts above... Billboard is generally more referred to and the more popular chart overall. Also, considering Carrie hasn't had a Billboard Airplay #1 in 3 years, it would definitely be sweeter, I think. I understand some fans maybe feeling that way, but I'd bet my life that Sony, BMI, Carrie, nor any of the writers of this song care at all about BB.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 10:22:10 GMT -5
Why? Because on Music Row there is no feeling at all that BB is the superior chart. In fact, Mediabase is looked at as equal or maybe even superior when it comes to the Country Genre. You're exactly right (and I discussed this yesterday too). Mediabase has really surged in popularity over the last 5-7 years, and I think the big reason why is because they've really "super-served" the country radio industry (via Lon Helton's Country Aircheck publication). Furthermore, Billboard seems kind of out of touch, and they really shot themselves in the foot when they created the new Hot Country Songs chart in October 2012 and claimed it was the "main country chart" instead of their airplay-only chart. That did them no favors with country radio and with all the Nashville labels. Prior to 2006, Lon Helton was with Radio & Records, and when Nielsen came and bought out R&R (later in 2006, after which R&R was shuttered), people were a little bit unsure what would even happen to the country Mediabase chart ( sabre14 mentioned this yesterday). It wouldn't have gone away, but with R&R gone, there was no major trade publication around to publish it. Lon started his own publication, though, and it quickly blossomed, and Lon was always a Mediabase guy...so voila, we got the Country Aircheck/Mediabase chart as a result. And all the countdown shows moved away from Billboard too, supposedly because they charge too much for their data. So I think there are a lot of reasons, but I think the whole Lon Helton/Country Aircheck thing is a big one. And of course, as I've said, it's also way easier to get a #1 on Mediabase. That's why there are so many Mediabase-only #1's--the labels know how to 'manipulate' that chart...they're able to persuade radio to give them a bunch of spins/points in their "max spins" push week and that allows a song to go #1 just in time for Sunday's published MB chart, even if it's still a few million in audience behind the #1 song on Billboard. In the entire time I've been a member at Pulse, there has only been 1 Billboard-only #1 song - Eli Young Band's "Drunk Last Night". And that really only happened because it was the end of the year (December 2013). FGL's "Stay" surged to the top of Mediabase before EYB's #1 was official, and at that time of year it's harder for labels to influence the charts. If it had been October, most likely Republic Nashville would have slowed down "Stay" just a bit, allowing "Drunk Last Night" to get the Mediabase #1, and then "Stay" would have taken over for 2-3 weeks on both charts. Anyway...Carrie took another big step toward #1 on Mediabase today, and I wouldn't be surprised if she leaps both Blake and Kelsea by Friday (if not then, probably Saturday). But you know what's going to happen? Blake is going to get 2 Mondays at #1 on Billboard, and only 1 week at #1 on Mediabase, and Warner Bros. will call "Sangria" a 2-week #1 hit. So it's not as if the labels don't care about Billboard--they'll take a #1 on any chart--but again, it's just easier to get there on Mediabase. Last summer, Joe Nichols' "Yeah" only spent 1 week at #1 on Mediabase, but it spent 3 weeks at #1 on Billboard. And you know what? His label, Red Bow Records, touted their 3-week stay at #1. And Luke Bryan's "Play It Again" 'only' spent 2 weeks at #1 on Mediabase, but it got 4 weeks at #1 on Billboad, and Capitol Nashville will tell you it was a 4-week #1, not a 2-week #1. So of course, when a song peaks at #1 on Mediabase but 'only' #2 or #3 on Billboard, obviously the label isn't going to say it was a #2 or #3 hit. They'll claim the peak position for whatever chart it peaked higher on. I think Billboard has more historical and international relevance, and of course for artists like George Strait and Reba, their careers pre-date Mediabase. My problem with Mediabase is their methodology, and I feel that the endless string of 1-week #1 hits really cheapens a #1, but I won't get into that right now. Any chance LTG can catch "Sangria" on Billboard before the week is over? It's highly unlikely. It's plainly clear that Sony isn't even attempting to go #1 on Billboard here. If they had any plans for the BB #1 as well, they would have never let Blake pull so far ahead on the last 2 charts. Blake started this week a full 3 million ahead of Carrie, having out-gained her by almost 2 million on last week's Billboard chart. We're 2 days into the new Billboard week, and so far Carrie's only made up about 600k on Blake on Mediabase. So, in short, I look for Carrie to peak at #2 on Billboard, behind Blake. Carrie will likely get the Mediabase #1 this Sunday, and Blake will get the Mediabase #1 next Sunday (along with a 2nd week at #1 on Billboard).
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Post by carrieidol1 on Jun 24, 2015 10:40:54 GMT -5
Wouldn't it be something if "Sangria" slowed for a few days and LTG caught up? That would make things very interesting! I'll be happy with a Mediabase #1 and BB #2 because it continues Carrie's streak of top 3 singles, and adds another #1 to Carrie's long list of them. Still, it would just be nice to see Carrie get to #1 on Billboard for two reasons in particular: 1) she hasn't had a #1 on the BB Airplay chart in three years, and 2) she would closely follow another female #1... which would just be plain awesome in the midst of "Salad-gate"! Nevertheless, I'm very proud that Carrie will likely add a #1 to her long list... It's remarkable that almost every song she has released since the beginning of career has hit #1 on some kind of chart, just truly incredible!
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Post by jenglisbe on Jun 24, 2015 10:42:19 GMT -5
Once again, Carrie has just run into rotten timing here at the end. Eh. It's politics of who they are pushing. If the label had pushed Carrie harder or over someone else, then one could say it was poor timing for that artist.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 11:00:18 GMT -5
Once again, Carrie has just run into rotten timing here at the end. Eh. It's politics of who they are pushing. If the label had pushed Carrie harder or over someone else, then one could say it was poor timing for that artist. I disagree. I think Carrie absolutely would have gotten to #1 last week (on both charts) had it not been for Kelsea Ballerini. Kelsea had all the momentum going for her...it was her debut single and she had the chance to be the first female to take her debut single to #1 since Carrie. So it would have looked really bad for Arista to try and block Kelsea. Everyone in radio and almost every artist out there (including Carrie) was cheering Kelsea on. The unfortunate side effect is that this left Carrie in a bad spot, because "Sangria" is a bigger hit than "Little Toy Guns" is. As I said yesterday, if Carrie could have somehow peaked a couple weeks earlier, when "Wild Child" peaked, then she would have probably gotten the #1 on both charts and Kenny would have been the one coming up short. But this was not a case of Sony pushing Kenny instead of Carrie. "Wild Child" just finished its 22nd week on Billboard, and it went for adds on February 2. "Little Toy Guns" just wrapped up its 20th week on Billboard, and it went for adds on February 16. The 2 songs are the exact same age, just separated by 2 weeks...it's just that Kenny went up ahead of Carrie because WC was released before LTG. I think Sony was fully intent on having back-to-back #1's on both charts, but Kelsea Ballerini and Black River got in their way. At the end of a chart run, it's easy to say "stupid Sony" or "they should have done this", but there's no way they could have known it would play out this way. If LTG had gone for adds on February 9 instead of February 16, that could have made all the difference. Or if Carrie had gone for adds on February 2 and Kenny went for adds on February 16, they would have flip-flopped places on the chart...Carrie would have gotten the #1 in place of Kenny, and Kenny would be the one left to deal with Kelsea and Blake. But again, there's no way to know how things will play out until a few weeks in advance (of when the song peaks), and by that time it's pretty much too late to change the game plan -- you have to accept the hand that you're dealt. And in this case, Sony Nashville sees a prime opportunity to get to #1 on Mediabase this Sunday, and they're going to take it. If they could have waited until July 5/6 to get to #1 on both Mediabase and Billboard, they probably would have done that. But "Sangria" is only 14 weeks old and still going very strong, so Sony didn't want to chance it.
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 24, 2015 12:34:42 GMT -5
Well, this is a croc of s**t... There is no reason why this shouldn't go #1 on BB. It seems like they are just skimping out and settling for the minimum. But, why? Ughhhh... Any chance LTG can catch "Sangria" on Billboard before the week is over? Why? Because on Music Row there is no feeling at all that BB is the superior chart. In fact, Mediabase is looked at as equal or maybe even superior when it comes to the Country Genre. Ha, somebody other than me finally said this, lol. For the record, I find no fault in today's Billboard Airplay chart (the old recurrent rules is what I had a major problem with back in the late 90's to mid 2000's), and I find it extremely useful (if a song peaks higher on Billboard Airplay than on MB, like "I Got A Car", then I go with the higher peak on Billboard as that song's official peak since overall audience is plenty for me to find viability). The only thing I wish wasn't the case with MB today is the insane pushes to have this endless string of #1 singles, which many here hate as well. Labels in Nashville follow the MB chart a little more than the Billboard Airplay and that's partly why they are so hell bent on achieving MB only #1 singles. Yes the spins factor is easier to accomplish, but if they didn't care for the chart, they wouldn't put so much money into these over the top pushes to achieve #1 singles. Of course, if a song hits #1 on Billboard only ("Somebody", "Mud On The Tires", "Ticks", "Online", "It's America", "Drunk Last Night'), they count it. They like Billboard Airplay, but MB is what they live for, and I know most here don't enjoy that. "Sangria" is just too big of a hit to risk waiting it out for #1 on both charts and Sony recognizes MB as a legit chart, so they have decided to not risk waiting any longer and take the MB #1. Warner gets to call their song a 2 week #1 (Billboard) and will likely get at least one week on MB. jhomes87 is absolutely right in regards to Sony not being the scape goat here. Any little factor could have made the difference like going for adds a week or two earlier and Sony (Arista Nashville) is run by human beings, like any one of us, and it's impossible to predict exactly how the top of the charts play out that far in advance. "Sangria" wasn't even released when Sony decided on "Little Toy Guns'" add date and Kelsea's song was not seen as one of the biggest hits of the year at that point. It's just unfortunate timing. The silver lining is that Carrie should easily get #1 on MB as "Little Toy Guns" gained a whopping 187 spins today and that's all I need to know that Sony is not to be stopped for that MB #1.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 12:46:16 GMT -5
Why? Because on Music Row there is no feeling at all that BB is the superior chart. In fact, Mediabase is looked at as equal or maybe even superior when it comes to the Country Genre. Ha, somebody other than me finally said this, lol. I've said it a bunch (especially lately)! I just usually preface it by saying that I don't like Mediabase, lol. I agree with your post, though -- I like how you said that, when "Little Toy Guns" was released, we didn't even know "Sangria" would be a single yet, and there was absolutely no sense that "Love Me Like You Mean It" would climb all the way to #1 (a slower trajectory than LTG, of course) and peak at the same time that Carrie would. That was a great way of putting it. I also like that you brought up the big push for Reba's "Somebody" back in 2004. At the time Billboard ranked their chart by spins, and MCA and Scott Borchetta came up with a big phony push to get "Somebody" to #1 on Billboard, interrupting the 7-week run for Tim McGraw's "Live Like You Were Dying". "Somebody" was a Billboard-only #1, and Reba's label went way out of their way to get it (which prompted Billboard to switch to an audience-based ranking instead of spins-based). And to me, that shows that Billboard was the 'preferred' chart in at the time, because MCA only went after BB and not MB. But ever since 2006, slowly but surely, Mediabase has become the 'preferred' chart, for a variety of reasons. Any label would certainly take a Billboard-only #1...but they're never going to try for only that. Ideally they want the #1 on both charts, but if they can't get that, then the next best thing is a Mediabase-only #1, followed by a Billboard-only #1. And again, that probably has to do with the fact that all the countdown shows use the Mediabase chart instead of Billboard.
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Post by Libra on Jun 24, 2015 13:06:38 GMT -5
On the other hand...how's this for a consolation prize? Lon Helton, who was one of Keith Hill's biggest backers during "SaladGate", now faces the prospect of announcing back-to-back females at #1 on his CCUSA (assuming Carrie doesn't crash before Sunday).
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Post by Marv on Jun 24, 2015 15:11:37 GMT -5
It's been very clear to me for four-plus years that the promotion teams in Nashville have essentially copied the mindset of Miranda's team after 'White Liar' made it to #1 in February of 2010, thanks to a flurry of phone calls to the smattering of country stations with LIVE programming on Saturdays asking for 'just one more spin' accompanied by a deluge of several of Miranda's country colleagues including Chris Young, Lady Antebellum, Dierks Bentley and others as Phyllis Stark pointed out in her ongoing 'Anatomy of a Hit' series in her much-missed 'Stark Country' newsletter.
Upon reaching the penthouse, someone asked if her label was disappointed that they couldn't reach #1 in Billboard,to which the reply was immediate and to the point-+'We would like to have gotten to #1 on both charts, but our objective was to get her a #1 single, and that's what we accomplished.
That mindset appears to be the norm up and down Music Row these days and since the trades rarely agree on the year's #1 single (2015 will mark SEVEN straight years with different year-end charttoppers since 'Just Got Started Lovin' You' got it done in 2008), having different #1 singles on a nearly weekly basis matters very little to them, it would appear to myself and others on this board.
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Post by 14887fan on Jun 24, 2015 15:34:08 GMT -5
Yeah, MB #1 will do for me. BB would've been nice, but at this point, I don't expect brilliance out of these single runs on the charts anymore due to label impotence.
Next single. Next album. Next era. Can't wait, Carrie girl.
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Post by NeRD on Jun 24, 2015 15:38:29 GMT -5
Didn't SITW go #1 on BB but peaked at #2 on Mediabase? Or was that a different BB Country chart?
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 24, 2015 15:42:50 GMT -5
Didn't SITW go #1 on BB but peaked at #2 on Mediabase? Or was that a different BB Country chart? It went #1 on the "Hot Country Songs" chart (aka, the Mongrel Chart). We were discussing Billboard Airplay (#3 peak). :)
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Jun 24, 2015 15:44:36 GMT -5
SITW peaked at #3 on both charts.
At this point, Sony comes off to me as lazy. They aren't willing to put the effort in to get to #1 on BB like other labels. Unless your name is Kenny, it seems like they don't care about helping anyone else. It annoys me that his last 3 singles all hit #1 but the last 4 Carrie singles failed to do so. Sony, quit failing Carrie and get her the BB #1 she deserves regardless of your feelings towards Billboard!
/end rant
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 24, 2015 15:52:57 GMT -5
SITW peaked at #3 on both charts. At this point, Sony comes off to me as lazy. They aren't willing to put the effort in to get to #1 on BB like other labels. Unless your name is Kenny, it seems like they don't care about helping anyone else. It annoys me that his last 3 singles all hit #1 but the last 4 Carrie singles failed to do so. Sony, quit failing Carrie and get her the BB #1 she deserves regardless of your feelings towards Billboard! /end rant I understand the frustrations from Carrie fans but Sony is not lazy here. "Sangria" is the bigger hit and nobody was outdoing "Love Me Like You Mean It" this past week. "Little Toy Guns" timing was poor, that's all. Kenny's past two singles lucked out with its destined peak week, with no other song anywhere near them in spins or audience to rival the #1 on either chart. There was little chance they could wait "Sangria" out and Blake's song was just going up too quickly (naturally) to be out done in audience totals on Billboard. The amount of time and money that is required for these huge #1 pushes should not be just tossed aside. If they or any label was "lazy', there would be zero #1 push and "Little Toy Guns" would be lucky peaking at #2, let alone #1, on either chart. I don't know what else to say anymore. Sony and Arista Nashville are trying, believe me. You can question their game plan, that can be debatable, but they are absolutely trying their absolute best to achieve the best outcome possible for Carrie's singles.
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