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Post by Carriefan1190 on Jun 24, 2015 16:01:27 GMT -5
I understand that, and yes I'm frustrated, I'm just tired of all the bro-country crap contiously hitting #1. I just want a song that actually means something to people to hit #1. Carrie Underwood is one of the biggest superstars in the genre, as well as one of the most loved. For once, I want Carrie to go up against the big boys and actually win. I agree that timing is everything, and had Sangria not shot up the charts so fast, LTG would be #1 on both charts, I get that. But, as a Carrie fan/supporter, I always wonder if Sony could've done something else to help this get to the top, or maybe just accept the fact that after 10 years, Carrie is likely destined to share the same fate as Martina, Faith and Shania and her star is starting to burn out, or maybe I'm just pessimistic. I don't know.
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Post by bboat11 on Jun 24, 2015 17:00:36 GMT -5
I understand that, and yes I'm frustrated, I'm just tired of all the bro-country crap contiously hitting #1. I just want a song that actually means something to people to hit #1. Carrie Underwood is one of the biggest superstars in the genre, as well as one of the most loved. For once, I want Carrie to go up against the big boys and actually win. I agree that timing is everything, and had Sangria not shot up the charts so fast, LTG would be #1 on both charts, I get that. But, as a Carrie fan/supporter, I always wonder if Sony could've done something else to help this get to the top, or maybe just accept the fact that after 10 years, Carrie is likely destined to share the same fate as Martina, Faith and Shania and her star is starting to burn out, or maybe I'm just pessimistic. I don't know. I think it is interesting that you chose Martina, Faith, and Shania as a basis for comparison. Those ladies you mentioned are three of the most successful artists this genre has ever seen; a fact which must not be forgotten when talking about them sharing a fate. I absolutely think Carrie will be remembered alongside Martina, Faith, and Shania one day. I actually see bits of all of them in her career. She has a gift for songwriting as well as entertaining, like Shania. She has the potential for international acclaim that both Shania and Faith had. And she has the killer voice and potential for longevity that Martina has. That being said, Carrie is a whole new breed, and her career is still red hot right now. Her songs continue to fly up the charts, and even after 10 years she is still almost guaranteed to hit #1 on at least one of the charts every time. Faith and Shania had their periods of almost-guaranteed #1s, but neither of them enjoyed that privilege for 10 straight years. And even when her career was on fire, #1s were still rare for Martina. So while Carrie does possess features of all of them, she also has taken each of those features to the next level. While she will be remembered alongside each of them one day, I do not see her losing relevance anytime soon. If she can continue to combine Faith and Shania's sales success with Martina's longevity, like she has demonstrated an ability to do so far, she could still be getting huge hits ten years from now!
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Post by onebuffalo on Jun 24, 2015 17:25:04 GMT -5
We all know Blake Shelton will get a #1 with Sangria. When that happens, I will be moving him to #20 (from #22) on the list of those artists with the most #1s. If Carrie Underwood does peak at #2 with Little Toy Guns, she'll be moved to #28 (from #40) on the list of those artists with the most #2s. I wish I could move her up on the list of the most #1s to #38 (from #40). Oh well!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 18:20:19 GMT -5
I understand that, and yes I'm frustrated, I'm just tired of all the bro-country crap contiously hitting #1. I just want a song that actually means something to people to hit #1. Carrie Underwood is one of the biggest superstars in the genre, as well as one of the most loved. For once, I want Carrie to go up against the big boys and actually win. I agree that timing is everything, and had Sangria not shot up the charts so fast, LTG would be #1 on both charts, I get that. But, as a Carrie fan/supporter, I always wonder if Sony could've done something else to help this get to the top, or maybe just accept the fact that after 10 years, Carrie is likely destined to share the same fate as Martina, Faith and Shania and her star is starting to burn out, or maybe I'm just pessimistic. I don't know. I think it is interesting that you chose Martina, Faith, and Shania as a basis for comparison. Those ladies you mentioned are three of the most successful artists this genre has ever seen; a fact which must not be forgotten when talking about them sharing a fate. I absolutely think Carrie will be remembered alongside Martina, Faith, and Shania one day. I actually see bits of all of them in her career. She has a gift for songwriting as well as entertaining, like Shania. She has the potential for international acclaim that both Shania and Faith had. And she has the killer voice and potential for longevity that Martina has. That being said, Carrie is a whole new breed, and her career is still red hot right now. Her songs continue to fly up the charts, and even after 10 years she is still almost guaranteed to hit #1 on at least one of the charts every time. Faith and Shania had their periods of almost-guaranteed #1s, but neither of them enjoyed that privilege for 10 straight years. And even when her career was on fire, #1s were still rare for Martina. So while Carrie does possess features of all of them, she also has taken each of those features to the next level. While she will be remembered alongside each of them one day, I do not see her losing relevance anytime soon. If she can continue to combine Faith and Shania's sales success with Martina's longevity, like she has demonstrated an ability to do so far, she could still be getting huge hits ten years from now! I agree with you, but I think Carrie's career more closely aligns with Reba than the other fantastic ladies mentioned. Reba has had solo #1s spanning over 28 years, longer than any other woman. Carrie could go another ten years easy, like Reba.
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Post by 14887fan on Jun 24, 2015 18:22:00 GMT -5
Yeah, her career is not faltering. The fact that her off period while being pregnant included... -a #1 greatest hits album release that spawned a 100k sales week upon debut that got certified Gold -one of the biggest #1 hits of her career (even if you don't consider the new HCS legitimate, and I'm not a fan of it either, SITW did triumph JTTW for most weeks at #1 for a Carrie single, which is huge) with sales, streaming, and airplay numbers that created enough of a winning combination to give her the biggest single week sales tracking of her career with 128k copies of SITW sold in its first/second week of release + a Billboard Music Award for Top Christian Song (spending, literally, half a year at #1 on the chart) + 2 CMT Music Awards + her seventh career Grammy -the SNF gig and exclusive Superbowl intro + a confirmed 3rd year -Calia -her 6th (?) People's Choice Award -the ACM Gene Weed Special Achievement Award -her 8th American Music Award -an additional Grammy nomination for "Somethin' Bad" -"Little Toy Guns" continuing her Top 3 streak at Country radio -was selected to perform at Global Citizen Festival, the Concert for Valor, and RED's Support Against AIDS ...is astonishing. Her career is fine.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Jun 24, 2015 20:44:20 GMT -5
I understand the frustrations from Carrie fans but Sony is not lazy here. "Sangria" is the bigger hit and nobody was outdoing "Love Me Like You Mean It" this past week. "Little Toy Guns" timing was poor, that's all. Kenny's past two singles lucked out with its destined peak week, with no other song anywhere near them in spins or audience to rival the #1 on either chart. Well, let's not forget that "'Til It's Gone"'s "good luck" stemmed from Sony Nashville making sure it went up ahead of "Something in the Water," which was clearly a bigger hit. I know, I know. I agree with sabre14 that this is a case of "Little Toy Guns" running into a bit of bad luck. While I'm rolling my eyes a little seeing Kenny Chesney once again coast to #1 with another low impact song, I do acknowledge that "Little Toy Guns" hasn't had the impact that "Something in the Water" did. I say this as someone who prefers "Little Toy Guns" by a healthy margin - I do think its impact would have been stronger had Carrie been able to promote it with a high-profile television performance or two earlier in its chart run. But a Mediabase-only #1 here doesn't feel as unreasonable an outcome as the #2 Mediabase/#3 Billboard peak for "Something in the Water." But, as a Carrie fan/supporter, I always wonder if Sony could've done something else to help this get to the top, or maybe just accept the fact that after 10 years, Carrie is likely destined to share the same fate as Martina, Faith and Shania and her star is starting to burn out, or maybe I'm just pessimistic. I don't know. Well, for one thing, ten years worth of wall-to-wall hits is a pretty big achievement unto itself. As bboat11 pointed out, neither Faith nor Martina has managed the kind of track record Carrie has had to date. But also, reducing star power to two-chart radio #1s is a puzzling choice, especially since the weak spins to sales translation by most artists has made it clear that a lot of radio listeners can't pick most of today's hit singers out of a lineup. For that matter, Brad Paisley scored a Billboard #1 earlier this year, but is anyone going to make a straight-faced argument that his star hasn't burned out in a major way over his last couple of albums? I say this as someone who has called him his generation's most important country songwriter. Heck, Blake Shelton had #1 after #1 after #1 but couldn't sell albums and wasn't considered a star until he joined The Voice (and his album sales have tailed off in a major way with his current effort despite his television exposure and his ongoing #1 streak). 14887fan has refuted the substance of your concern, but I want to make one additional point. During this Billboard airplay #1 drought for Carrie, the singles she has released are: - a murder ballad about two women outsmarting and killing the guy who was cheating on them both, which peaked in the middle of bro country's onslaught on female agency,
- a faith-based song about believing that death is not an eternal parting, which peaked during a party song-heavy summer,
- a song about transformation by baptism, released during a period when the last hit song that even glancingly referenced faith was the aforementioned faith-based song from Carrie over two years earlier, and
- a rocker about the trauma that kids experience in a verbally abusive family environment, which came after three full years of country radio audiences being conditioned to hear about little beyond trucks, girls, beer, parties, and tailgates.
Granted, there was also a duet that was effectively a female version of a bro song. But for the most part, Carrie's singles have been completely out of step with what has been working at country radio, in a time when few have been able to make non-formulaic releases work. If anything, it's a testament to her star power that these singles have been big airplay hits anyway.
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Post by bornfearless2000 on Jun 24, 2015 21:27:03 GMT -5
LTG is 1.8 mill away from Sangria. We still have 5 days to go and if LTG keeps out-gaining Sangria by 0.4 mil each day, then it will top BB Country Airplay and finger crossed for that!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 22:41:30 GMT -5
LTG is 1.8 mill away from Sangria. We still have 5 days to go and if LTG keeps out-gaining Sangria by 0.4 mil each day, then it will top BB Country Airplay and finger crossed for that!! Careful -- LTG is 1.8 mil behind Blake on Mediabase, but we can't just assume that the gap is the same on Billboard. And unfortunately the gap is bigger on Billboard. As I said earlier, Blake started the week 3 million ahead of Carrie, and she's only out-gained him by about 0.6 million the last 2 days on Mediabase. So maybe the Billboard gap would be around 2.5 to 2.6 million right now (if we could see daily Billboard updates). I don't think it's even going to be close. I fully expect Carrie to get the Mediabase #1, but I bet Blake finishes ahead on Billboard by at least 1.5 to 2 million.
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Post by Marv on Jun 25, 2015 5:16:09 GMT -5
Blake is #1 as expected by just under 1.7 million AIs, and Carrie is ahead of Tim by just over 3 million AIs, so things are looking promising for her for the following week.
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Post by samsager3 on Jun 25, 2015 7:46:12 GMT -5
Blake is #1 as expected by just under 1.7 million AIs, and Carrie is ahead of Tim by just over 3 million AIs, so things are looking promising for her for the following week. Cmon Tim pick up the pace a little.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Jun 25, 2015 8:09:56 GMT -5
Blake is #1 as expected by just under 1.7 million AIs, and Carrie is ahead of Tim by just over 3 million AIs, so things are looking promising for her for the following week. Cmon Tim pick up the pace a little. This is a trolling post if I've ever seen one... Anyway... Has a label ever pushed a song for two weeks?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 9:00:21 GMT -5
Cmon Tim pick up the pace a little. This is a trolling post if I've ever seen one... Anyway... Has a label ever pushed a song for two weeks? Seems like Kelsea got pushed for a month. Her's had to have been at least two weeks?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 9:44:05 GMT -5
Climbs to #47 on the Hot 100 in its 14th week.
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Jun 25, 2015 9:47:25 GMT -5
I honestly think she has a shot at the BB #1. They are expecting Blake to have at least 2 weeks at #1 but I think he could peak and fall, giving Carrie the chance to take over. I just think they are being conservative and peaking early because they are afraid of running into Blake. I think they should just wait until next weekend
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Post by 14887fan on Jun 25, 2015 9:51:46 GMT -5
Blake is #1 as expected by just under 1.7 million AIs, and Carrie is ahead of Tim by just over 3 million AIs, so things are looking promising for her for the following week. Cmon Tim pick up the pace a little. You've made it very clear that you find this song to be of poor quality (which is laughable compared to what you've indicated is of better quality), but if you're going to root for someone else to outpace LTG in the song's thread, then you've got bigger issues than simply disliking Underwood/LTG. Trolling ain't cute.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jun 25, 2015 12:11:02 GMT -5
SITW peaked at #3 on both charts. At this point, Sony comes off to me as lazy. They aren't willing to put the effort in to get to #1 on BB like other labels. Unless your name is Kenny, it seems like they don't care about helping anyone else. It annoys me that his last 3 singles all hit #1 but the last 4 Carrie singles failed to do so. Sony, quit failing Carrie and get her the BB #1 she deserves regardless of your feelings towards Billboard! /end rant I understand the frustrations from Carrie fans but Sony is not lazy here. "Sangria" is the bigger hit and nobody was outdoing "Love Me Like You Mean It" this past week. "Little Toy Guns" timing was poor, that's all. Kenny's past two singles lucked out with its destined peak week, with no other song anywhere near them in spins or audience to rival the #1 on either chart. There was little chance they could wait "Sangria" out and Blake's song was just going up too quickly (naturally) to be out done in audience totals on Billboard. The amount of time and money that is required for these huge #1 pushes should not be just tossed aside. If they or any label was "lazy', there would be zero #1 push and "Little Toy Guns" would be lucky peaking at #2, let alone #1, on either chart. I don't know what else to say anymore. Sony and Arista Nashville are trying, believe me. You can question their game plan, that can be debatable, but they are absolutely trying their absolute best to achieve the best outcome possible for Carrie's singles. You are focusing on "LTG" only, though. In a general sense Carrie hasn't been pushed the way some other artists continually are. Carrie has regularly been losing out on #1s to artists with lower sales.
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 25, 2015 12:38:53 GMT -5
I understand the frustrations from Carrie fans but Sony is not lazy here. "Sangria" is the bigger hit and nobody was outdoing "Love Me Like You Mean It" this past week. "Little Toy Guns" timing was poor, that's all. Kenny's past two singles lucked out with its destined peak week, with no other song anywhere near them in spins or audience to rival the #1 on either chart. There was little chance they could wait "Sangria" out and Blake's song was just going up too quickly (naturally) to be out done in audience totals on Billboard. The amount of time and money that is required for these huge #1 pushes should not be just tossed aside. If they or any label was "lazy', there would be zero #1 push and "Little Toy Guns" would be lucky peaking at #2, let alone #1, on either chart. I don't know what else to say anymore. Sony and Arista Nashville are trying, believe me. You can question their game plan, that can be debatable, but they are absolutely trying their absolute best to achieve the best outcome possible for Carrie's singles. You are focusing on "LTG" only, though. In a general sense Carrie hasn't been pushed the way some other artists continually are. Carrie has regularly been losing out on #1s to artists with lower sales. I was focusing on "Little Toy Guns" because this the "Little Toy Guns" thread. Carrie has plenty of #1's recently, they're just the MB variety, which Sony and Arista are very happy with. They would not go to this much trouble putting resources into getting a MB #1 if they thought they were meaningless. "Sangria" and "Love Me Like You Mean It" are ahead of "Little Toy Guns" on the iTunes chart. It's not like she's losing out to a song with poor sales relative to its airplay here. Carrie's songs "are" pushed the way other artists are. Like I mentioned in my original post, you can debate the tactic Sony has taken to achieve chart success (which all of Carrie's songs have achieved, but you'd never know it from these threads). These past two singles were just bad timing, and Carrie lost (if she does lose out on Billboard here) out both times to big hits ("Talladega", "I See You"/"Love Me Like You Mean It", "Sangria"). I agree with 43dudleyvillas that "Something In The Water" had the bigger impact than "Little Toy Guns" and that song missing out on any #1 (other than the mongrel chart) was a blow, but that was because Sony mismanaged their final push. Every artist gets the same treatment when they get this high on the chart, but in Carrie's case its' just a matter of the wrong gameplan, rather than a lack of effort.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 4:50:19 GMT -5
Blake is #1 as expected by just under 1.7 million AIs, and Carrie is ahead of Tim by just over 3 million AIs, so things are looking promising for her for the following week.I don't think so. As I was typing this, Mediabase updated, and Carrie jumped Blake to take the #1 spot. It's clear that Arista Nashville is in the midst of a #1 push this week. If you've read the last 1-2 pages of the thread, that's what we've all been talking about...and then Carrie's gains so far this week made it pretty clear that the push was underway. Additionally, Arista has "Max Spins Now" ads out in the daily Aircheck emails; they almost certainly wouldn't have those ads out if their goal was to be #1 next week (the 5th). Furthermore, since Carrie co-hosted CC-USA this past weekend, she would have gotten an extra spin of LTG on Sunday. All the signs are there indicating a #1 push. She'll get the Mediabase #1 on Sunday, but in no way are things looking promising for her for the following week. Unfortunately that probably means yet another #2 peak on Billboard, as Carrie is too far behind Blake there. She'll almost certainly get the Mediabase #1 this weekend, but yeah, it's not gonna happen on Billboard.
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Post by 14887fan on Jun 26, 2015 7:55:05 GMT -5
#1 this morning? That's fantastic. It outdid SITW on radio, so I can't complain all too much. For a song with as little promo as this one received up until its final few weeks of its chart run, this held its own and really showed how much of a staple Underwood is in today's radio climate. Pretty incredible to see, and really satisfying that, even though we've long since concluded that Country radio is incredibly lopsided, biased, and sexist, they still recognize and play her singles without even thinking twice. It resonates well with the vast majority and consistently outsells most of its competition. This one is approaching 500k, and it already had 300k of that sold before its first-ever live performance just 2 and a half weeks ago. Really, really amazing run overall. I'm happy with it!
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Post by ILLUSION on Jun 26, 2015 11:53:32 GMT -5
Well, she can add another (payola) #1 to her record books!
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 26, 2015 13:23:43 GMT -5
Blake is #1 as expected by just under 1.7 million AIs, and Carrie is ahead of Tim by just over 3 million AIs, so things are looking promising for her for the following week.I don't think so. As I was typing this, Mediabase updated, and Carrie jumped Blake to take the #1 spot. It's clear that Arista Nashville is in the midst of a #1 push this week. If you've read the last 1-2 pages of the thread, that's what we've all been talking about...and then Carrie's gains so far this week made it pretty clear that the push was underway. Additionally, Arista has "Max Spins Now" ads out in the daily Aircheck emails; they almost certainly wouldn't have those ads out if their goal was to be #1 next week (the 5th). Furthermore, since Carrie co-hosted CC-USA this past weekend, she would have gotten an extra spin of LTG on Sunday. All the signs are there indicating a #1 push. She'll get the Mediabase #1 on Sunday, but in no way are things looking promising for her for the following week. Unfortunately that probably means yet another #2 peak on Billboard, as Carrie is too far behind Blake there. She'll almost certainly get the Mediabase #1 this weekend, but yeah, it's not gonna happen on Billboard. Yeah it looks like a lock for Carrie to take the MB #1, while Blake gets the Billboard #1. Carrie has out gained Blake by 260 spins, but her audience gap has only closed by roughly 1.6 million. She started out 3.0 million back on this past Billboard shot and her audience gains just aren't enough to have me think she can over take Blake for the Billboard #1 spot.
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Post by bornfearless2000 on Jun 26, 2015 21:39:32 GMT -5
Well, she can add another (payola) #1 to her record books! LTG's getting a final push, just like every country singers. So saying another 'payola' is too offensive.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 21:43:34 GMT -5
Well, she can add another (payola) #1 to her record books! LTG's getting a final push, just like every country singers. So saying another 'payola' is too offensive. Precisely. There is no "paying for airplay" going on here. This happens almost every week on the Mediabase chart. Labels do mount big pushes, but that's just how country radio likes to be. Radio has shown that they are more than willing to give a bunch of spins to the label/song that's going for #1. If anything, the radio station might get some free concert tickets or whatnot for whenever the artist is in town next, but yeah, for the most part, country radio loves the "everybody gets a turn at #1" approach. They go out of their way to cooperate with the labels, so really, radio is as much to 'blame' for these big pushes as the labels are.
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Post by Marv on Jun 27, 2015 5:40:22 GMT -5
Blake is back at #1; raise your hand if you're praying for Sony to steal a page from the Scott Borchetta playbook.
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Post by Libra on Jun 27, 2015 10:41:32 GMT -5
Unfortunately...maybe it's just me, but the sudden surge by Tim this week has now made this situation all kinds of problematic. He's definitely going to make his final push next week, which means that, quite simply...whoever doesn't get the MB #1 tomorrow - could very well not get it at all. This bodes so much worse for Carrie, given the talk of possibly 2 weeks atop BB for Blake (which suggests that he'd be the one to hold out longer at the higher level - though even that seems questionable now). :(
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Post by NeRD on Jun 27, 2015 10:45:30 GMT -5
So now she might not even get the Mediabase #1? :(
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 27, 2015 12:27:00 GMT -5
Well this certainly isn't a good thing for Carrie and "Little Toy Guns" but it's not as if Blake soared ahead here; "Sangria" gained 38 more spins and the audience was practically even. My total points projection puts "Sangria" and "Little Toy Guns" incredibly close - like less than 50 points close. I still believe Sony to get a big increase tomorrow to try and secure the MB #1, but Warner is not making it easy. For the week, "Little Toy Guns" has accumulated 554 spins and over 4.7 million in audience, while "Sangria" has accumulated 353 spins and over 3.0 million in audience.
I'm not totally convinced Tim's song can continue for a MB #1 through next weekend. I mean, "Diamond Rings And Old Bar Stools" has gained an astounding 818 spins and 5.6 million in audience, lol...with one day still remaining. We're looking at Tim to gain over 900 spins and between 6.5 and 7.0 million in audience, and I'm not certain that Big Machine and can tote the line of steady and still gaining positive numbers to push through next week as "Diamond Rings And Old Bar Stools" has seen a massive, massive push "this week." The reason has to be that they are convinced they can be #1 at some point (next week), so I don't think they would have ever seriously thought they could over take Carrie or Blake, but there's usually only one way to go when a song puts up these numbers at this point of the chart - down. Tim's song will also have pretty high spins numbers by this Tuesday.
There's no guarantees with what will happen over the next 8-10 days but I still think Sony can pull out the MB #1 here.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 16:34:08 GMT -5
I was definitely surprised to see Blake re-pass Carrie on Mediabase this morning. It's so surprising to see a song actually fight back. These days, everybody just plays nice with everybody else, so that everybody gets a turn at #1. But it looks like Warner Bros. and "Sangria" aren't just going to let Arista and "Little Toy Guns" coast to #1.
Carrie needs to move back up to #1 on MB tomorrow, or she won't get the #1 on any chart.
Definitely a surprising development, considering how the Mediabase chart usually plays out. I figured Warner Bros. wouldn't care so much if Carrie got the MB #1 this week (as "Sangria" seems likely to be at #1 through next week as well), but maybe the big gains by Tim and Jason have spooked them (WB), and they definitely aren't gonna want to jeopardize Blake's #1 streak.
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Post by samsager3 on Jun 27, 2015 17:02:47 GMT -5
Actually by saying I prefer a Tim McGraw song that I actually don't like at all either but feel is better quality over this, I am responding to this song as I'm making a comparison of which I'd rather see make it to the top summit. I see these types of posts all the time in the bro country song threads and nobody bats an eye, the only reason for any criticism of my post is that it's about underwood of who I have no issues with whatsoever when she sings something good it's good, this is not good at all. It's almost borderline good girl bad but I don't think anything could be as bad as that song was as far as her songs go for me. Personally I don't believe her more tims songs are of the quality that they should be number 1 but I digress.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Jun 27, 2015 18:39:47 GMT -5
Carrie has radio interviews next week: Bobby Bones, specifically... What could this mean?
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