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Post by Az Paynter on Jun 11, 2015 6:10:02 GMT -5
40 40 YEARS & YEARS King 1316 1307 9 4.820
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Post by QuEenOfpoP on Jun 14, 2015 1:40:53 GMT -5
I cannot get over this song!!! i got a few of my friends into it and every time i see them they have this playing on their phones lol! i told one of them that its at #39 on Pop and shes just like "what?? it should be at the top?" and i totally have to agree with her!
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Post by allow that on Jun 23, 2015 10:37:40 GMT -5
This appears to have peaked? What's most surprising to me is that, for an act so buzzed, there's been what seems like zero push behind it. It's like the label was expecting buzz alone to carry them so just threw the song out there... and now the buzz machine seems to have vanished too.
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Post by Spidey on Jun 23, 2015 10:41:53 GMT -5
I am so bummed that this didn't explode.
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Post by Hefty Hanna on Jun 23, 2015 11:17:03 GMT -5
I really don't get this one. Still holding out for hope.
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Post by QuEenOfpoP on Jun 24, 2015 1:30:10 GMT -5
my neighborhood up here in Upstate NY is still CRAZY about this song!! the rest of the USA needs to get with the picture before its too late..
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Post by jjose712 on Jun 24, 2015 4:37:53 GMT -5
They need promo, i'm pretty sure with a couple of performances this would explode. Only 1 add this week, i hope it'll be able to hold there and not fall below 40
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Post by jimmyt on Jun 24, 2015 5:23:15 GMT -5
This song is so good. Another one that got away...
Not sure if they plan to release Shine as the next single, that is also great...
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Post by Dylan :) on Jun 24, 2015 5:28:05 GMT -5
Goodbye, Nobody Love, Octahate and now, more than likely, King :( I didn't like this song at first but it grew on me
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Post by jjose712 on Jun 24, 2015 5:30:31 GMT -5
But at least those song had a proper promo (in some cases it was too late), i think the label didn't make anything at all to this being a hit. If they were not going to do promo it would be better not release the song and wait for an oportunity to release it in better circumstances. The song is so good, and perfect for the summer
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Post by Dylan :) on Jun 24, 2015 5:32:24 GMT -5
But at least those song had a proper promo (in some cases it was too late), i think the label didn't make anything at all to this being a hit. If they were not going to do promo it would be better not release the song and wait for an oportunity to release it in better circumstances. The song is so good, and perfect for the summer I think Octahate only had one or two performances, it had a sale on iTunes but that was too late :( She should've gotten On The Verge, not Nate
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Post by jjose712 on Jun 24, 2015 6:41:52 GMT -5
Octahate is a song difficult to pull live, the first performance was quite weak. The song was interesting but not an easy sale on pop radio. It's the kind of song that is hit of miss. Goodbye was a big faliure of strategy, the song was perfect for radio but the whole who is fancy blowed in their faces, probably with a more conventional promo and tv performances it would do better than it did.
Of the three, Nobody love is probably the clearer faliure of timing (exactly like Stuck on a feeling). The label pushed the song to radio, but it didn't calculate the timing at all, when they did the promo the song was dead on radio. And they are making the same mistake with her new song.
I really think they only will need a good tv performance. The song audience is very little to make an impact on sales. Sam Smith's new song didn't received promo and his last single killed his buzz, but he is known enough to make little audiences gains translate into sales, and he had previous hits before so radio probably won't drop his support fast, so the song has real chances to succeed because radio won't pull the plug as fast as they usually do on new artist.
Their label should work a bit and book them a tv performance.
Sometimes songs won't work as expected, we have Ella Henderson's Ghost as example. I think everybody expected her to translate her UK success into a big american hit, but it didn't happened, but at least her label push all the buttons and did the right promo. It's a pity let a great song flop, specially because there's no guarantee that they will have another chance (or at least another better than this one)
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Post by Dylan :) on Jun 24, 2015 7:11:07 GMT -5
Sometimes songs won't work as expected, we have Ella Henderson's Ghost as example. I think everybody expected her to translate her UK success into a big american hit, but it didn't happened, but at least her label push all the buttons and did the right promo. It's a pity let a great song flop, specially because there's no guarantee that they will have another chance (or at least another better than this one) IIRC, radio was late with Ghost :( It was top ten on iTunes for a while, fell and then rose again later follow (I think) an Ellen performance where it stayed for a while. By the time pop caught up it was essentially done with it's big sales and then radio dropped it pretty quick :(
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Post by jjose712 on Jun 24, 2015 7:13:53 GMT -5
Sometimes songs won't work as expected, we have Ella Henderson's Ghost as example. I think everybody expected her to translate her UK success into a big american hit, but it didn't happened, but at least her label push all the buttons and did the right promo. It's a pity let a great song flop, specially because there's no guarantee that they will have another chance (or at least another better than this one) IIRC, radio was late with Ghost :( It was top ten on iTunes for a while, fell and then rose again later follow (I think) an Ellen performance where it stayed for a while. By the time pop caught up it was essentially done with it's big sales and then radio dropped it pretty quick :( It was worse with Human, the song was in the top 10 on itunes but radio was really reluctant to play, even when it wasn't the first hit of Perri (and it was a great song). Radio rarely innovates right now, it's difficult to find a song of a new artist where radio was determinant to be a success (or at least the first in realizing the potential of the song)
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Post by Dylan :) on Jun 24, 2015 7:16:15 GMT -5
IIRC, radio was late with Ghost :( It was top ten on iTunes for a while, fell and then rose again later follow (I think) an Ellen performance where it stayed for a while. By the time pop caught up it was essentially done with it's big sales and then radio dropped it pretty quick :( It was worse with Human, the song was in the top 10 on itunes but radio was really reluctant to play, even when it wasn't the first hit of Perri (and it was a great song). Radio rarely innovates right now, it's difficult to find a song of a new artist where radio was determinant to be a success (or at least the first in realizing the potential of the song) I loved Human, too :'( It's such a shame radio didn't play it, it had so much potential! And yeah, Jar Of Hearts did well. The last song I can think of which wasn't doing well on iTunes and by an artist less known (at least to people my age) was I Need Your Love
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Post by jjose712 on Jun 24, 2015 7:55:56 GMT -5
Well radio supported Waves and Prayer in C beyond their itunes success to be fair.
I hope this will be able to hold till the label decides its time to promote it
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Post by Kurt on Jun 24, 2015 15:23:55 GMT -5
Not going to happen - this got pulled from PlayIGA today, which is as good a sign as any that promotion for it has ceased. Bummer.
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Post by getonthebus on Jun 24, 2015 15:25:57 GMT -5
What a colossal fuck up
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Post by lyhom on Jun 24, 2015 15:26:58 GMT -5
ah f**k
then again "Shine" and "Desire" are much better songs to me so idk lol
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Post by jjose712 on Jun 24, 2015 15:28:55 GMT -5
To cease promotion it was to be some promo before. Frankly if their label thought they were going to be successful in the USA without any effort they were plain wrong. Even in the cases were everything goes smooth to the top (like Sam Smith) the promo was intense. They have a lot of good buzz around them in UK and in Europe, but they are wasting a big opportunity, the song has great reviews and it's perfect for summertime.
Sometimes one has to wonder why so many inept people has jobs on music labels, because some of them seem to not have any clue of how the business really works. One thing is do your job and the song fail to catch steam, that happens a lot, even with great songs, but other very different is not making any effort
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Post by jjose712 on Jun 24, 2015 15:30:57 GMT -5
ah f**k then again "Shine" and "Desire" are much better songs to me so idk lol But none of them is as catchy as King. If they didn't promote King they are not going to promote any other song. Unless they are fortunate to have one of their songs on a commercial, or a talent show contestant performing one of their songs with great fanfare, they are totally done for this era in the USA.
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Post by allow that on Jun 24, 2015 15:32:08 GMT -5
It's always sad to me when true global smashes get ignored in the US. It's a world of globalism in 2015 and we really should be in sync with our friends abroad. I can't even blame the American public though, since radio never exposed it enough for the general public to decide whether or not to embrace it.
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Post by jjose712 on Jun 24, 2015 15:44:05 GMT -5
It's always sad to me when true global smashes get ignored in the US. It's a world of globalism in 2015 and we really should be in sync with our friends abroad. I can't even blame the American public though, since radio never exposed it enough for the general public to decide whether or not to embrace it. On other countries is easier to have a hit, or at least reach all the potential listeners. If you are going to try in the USA you need to move your ass and promote it like its due. Ghost didn't became the hit it should be, but the label did all the right things, sometimes it just don't click with the audiences no matter how good the song is. What annoys me in this case is the fact that they are totally unknown band with such big hit in UK, and the label didn't put any effort in the song being successful. If they were unable to do promo in the USA due to other compromises, they should delay the release of the song. IT's as simple as that. The song is selling quite well for not being promoted and having such small audience impression
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Post by Juan Carlos on Jun 24, 2015 16:01:22 GMT -5
What a disappointment! :( If they didn't promote King they are not going to promote any other song. Unless they are fortunate to have one of their songs on a commercial, or a talent show contestant performing one of their songs with great fanfare, they are totally done for this era in the USA. Sadly, this is true. I was hoping "King" or "Desire" (when it was attempted to be their first US single) to perform really well, so they could release a couple of more singles in the States, but I also don't think they are going to promote any more at this point, although I wish to be wrong if it's considered that Communion will be released in two weeks.
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Post by nissl on Jun 24, 2015 16:09:36 GMT -5
Maybe the label could have done more, but to my newbie eyes it looks like they had Vevo LIFT, at least a couple of late night performances, and radio support up into the 30s on airplay and that wasn't enough to break out above the 200s on iTunes. Surely they would have at the very risen well into the 100s off that kind of support if the track was going to be a big hit? The bottom line is that they are a forward-thinking UK pop act with no base in the US and a frontman who doesn't exactly ooze star power. They were always going to be a tricky sell.
Plus as of a few weeks ago, it had to be a bigger priority to make sure Shine - which wasn't looking so hot on preorders - made the top 5 in the UK.
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Post by Juan Carlos on Jun 24, 2015 16:22:45 GMT -5
Plus as of a few weeks ago, it had to be a bigger priority to make sure Shine - which wasn't looking so hot on preorders - made the top 5 in the UK. I think you're confusing with another song because "Shine" isn't out in the UK yet and it's scheduled for a July 5 release there. That said, it broke into the Top 100 on iTunes this week.
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Post by nissl on Jun 24, 2015 16:52:51 GMT -5
Plus as of a few weeks ago, it had to be a bigger priority to make sure Shine - which wasn't looking so hot on preorders - made the top 5 in the UK. I think you're confusing with another song because "Shine" isn't out in the UK yet and it's scheduled for a July 5 release there. That said, it broke into the Top 100 on iTunes this week. Shine is looking solid to go top 5 on June 5th now, but its preorders were really underwhelming given the distance to release a few weeks ago.
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Post by jjose712 on Jun 25, 2015 4:39:55 GMT -5
It's a simple question of schedule. If you are going to release something on the USA you need to move your ass there and promote it. Lately there are a lot of british acts on the chart, but with the exception of Sam Smith who had an easy route, the rest really had a tough time breaking the US market, no matter how big the song was in UK. You need to work hard, promote on tv and radio, and it's better if you play a couple of concerts too
So if they wanted to focus on the UK releases that's ok, but when you try to break in america do it with all consecuences.
The curious thing is if they promote it in the USA after the release of the album, the song could easily have a second run without most people really realizing it was on the charts before.
Of course they could pull a the man who can be moved, and have other song as hit and rerelease this after that. But i still think this is the best song to break
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