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Post by Glove Slap on Jun 12, 2018 18:00:37 GMT -5
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Post by Wavey✨️ on Jun 12, 2018 19:44:34 GMT -5
A bih is recording and touring. She's revamped.
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Post by HEADOFTHEPACK on Jun 12, 2018 19:55:05 GMT -5
I enjoy her less because her hair is ugly. Lol Anyway. I may be the only one to say this but Witness is underrated. It may not be her best album but thanks to it not being overplayed, it’s the only one of hers I ever have any desire to listen to. I do think parts of it are underrated, I was surprised at how much I came back to it. Still can't believe it bombed quite so catastrophically. Nothing to do with the album itself really, I just couldn't see Katy Perry falling quite that far, so fast. Commercially.
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Post by Wavey✨️ on Jun 12, 2018 21:04:49 GMT -5
She needs the team she had for the previous albums, simple as that.
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Post by dbhmr on Jun 13, 2018 12:25:44 GMT -5
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jun 13, 2018 12:31:18 GMT -5
This really puts Katy in a crappy position. I feel bad for her.
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Post by Ty on Jun 13, 2018 13:33:05 GMT -5
I feel so bad for Katy. Luke's lawyer is some fucked up shit for releasing this.
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Post by Relaxing Cup on Jun 13, 2018 14:03:04 GMT -5
Damn...
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Post by Wavey✨️ on Jun 13, 2018 14:27:24 GMT -5
Wow. No, seriously, if this is true..
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Post by wjr15 on Jun 13, 2018 14:36:47 GMT -5
My god this case just keeps getting worse. I feel so bad for Katy that this was released to the media against her will. Whatever happened to rape shield laws?
Also, I wonder when it happened and if it had anything to do with Katy’s big change in personality and looks over the past two years?
Edit: Thinking back to her therapy session where she said she changed because she didn’t want to be Katy Perry anymore. I wonder if that was a sign of something bigger that was wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2018 16:13:08 GMT -5
Awful. This whole story is just awful. I have zero reason to doubt anything Kesha, Gaga, or Katy say and every reason to think Dr Luke is a vile piece of trash. I hope all the ladies find comfort in one another and I hope he loses every penny he's ever made.
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Post by Glove Slap on Jun 13, 2018 17:12:09 GMT -5
My god this case just keeps getting worse. I feel so bad for Katy that this was released to the media against her will. Whatever happened to rape shield laws? It's a federal crime to do what Luke's lawyers did and has been so since 1994 when Clinton signed the Violence Against Women Act. She has the right to sue them, although obviously she may choose not to for various reasons.
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Post by deepston on Jun 13, 2018 18:00:21 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2018 19:09:17 GMT -5
SMH. I remember a big deal was made of Luke's lawyers trying to subpoena Gaga a while back over some texts Kesha sent her. I think I even somewhat remember the rumor that Kesha accused Luke of raping someone else in the texts, but people were guessing it was Becky G. My god this case just keeps getting worse. I feel so bad for Katy that this was released to the media against her will. Whatever happened to rape shield laws? It's a federal crime to do what Luke's lawyers did and has been so since 1994 when Clinton signed the Violence Against Women Act. She has the right to sue them, although obviously she may choose not to for various reasons. Their argument must be that there is no rape to shield. Either way, this is a horribly shitty and insensitive tactic to use with a so-called "friend." I take it he didn't get the call for KP5 (which might also explain his claims earlier that Kesha has cost him millions in money by screwing him out of work with Katy, among others). I get it, it's a defamation suit and they're trying to paint Kesha as a lying liar who lies about everything, but they were able to depose Katy and keep her name out of it before so I don't know what the point is of openly dragging her name into it now. It unfairly puts her in a shitty position, PR-wise - if she admits it's true, even though it makes her a victim, people are going to side eye her for not speaking up while Kesha was going through hell and losing in court at every turn. If it's not true, that has nothing to do with his alleged rape of Kesha (and doesn't even necessarily speak to Kesha intentionally lying, but that is its own story), but it will come off as if Katy's sticking up for Dr. Luke no matter how hard she tries to distance with an "I can only speak for my relationship with Luke and not anything that happened between Luke and Kesha," and she definitely doesn't want the awful publicity that will come of that. Regardless of what happened between her and Luke I do think it is telling that she not once offered a public statement in his defense or even a generic 'I cannot speak for what happened b/t him and Kesha, but we always had a solid working relationship' or whatever (basically the same thing Kelly did when she was asked about what it was like to work with Luke, just from an opposite POV) just to clear the air and even have that out there for Luke's legal use when bringing this up in court later. I can't imagine there was not at least one moment when she could have done this, but she/her team probably issued blanket "no questions about Dr. Luke" to anyone who interviewed her. She must have had her doubts.
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Post by toomuchboy on Jun 13, 2018 20:54:18 GMT -5
Dr. Luke is already a disgusting piece of scum, but I hope that didn't happen to Katy Perry.
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Post by Ty on Jun 13, 2018 21:01:34 GMT -5
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Post by Caviar on Jun 13, 2018 21:05:23 GMT -5
Damn. If Katy is denying it....ouch
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Post by Exclusive on Jun 13, 2018 21:06:50 GMT -5
This whole thing is so damn messy
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Post by Ty on Jun 13, 2018 21:08:55 GMT -5
In the middle of this drama, "Dance with the Devil" and "Act My Age" have been officially released to all platforms (on Spotify, as Witness (Deluxe)) following the one-year anniversary of the album.
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Post by George on Jun 14, 2018 13:16:02 GMT -5
In the middle of this drama, "Dance with the Devil" and "Act My Age" have been officially released to all platforms (on Spotify, as Witness (Deluxe)) following the one-year anniversary of the album. That's similar to what Meghan Trainor and Mat Kearney did with their Target bonus tracks. I wonder if this'll be a regular thing now.
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Post by Glove Slap on Jun 14, 2018 13:25:53 GMT -5
They most likely agree to one-year-exclusivity in advance. The same thing happened with all of Taylor's albums that this was done for.
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Post by SHOOTER on Jun 14, 2018 14:04:15 GMT -5
They most likely agree to one-year-exclusivity in advance. The same thing happened with all of Taylor's albums that this was done for. I read it was 2-year exclusivity before but it's most likely unique to the individual artist. Gwen's Target bonus tracks still aren't available.
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Post by Ty on Jun 14, 2018 14:14:15 GMT -5
^Hot damn. I need "Getting Warmer" and "Rocket Ship" in my Spotify playlists.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Jun 16, 2018 0:37:49 GMT -5
Damn. If Katy is denying it....ouch ouch for who? Kesha?
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Post by Dylan :) on Jun 16, 2018 4:37:50 GMT -5
I hope that Katy clears the air at some point. Dr Luke’s team were always going to say Katy denied it, especially since it is their word against no other evidence. If they said otherwise they would have been crazy. But that does not mean it is true at all so we need Katy to say it for herself. The hard part is that I hope for Kesha’s sake, she isn’t incorrect (I am not going to say lying - no one writes texts with the thought that they will eventually be scrutinised in a court room, she could have been repeating a rumour she heard of sharing her opinion) as that looks really bad for her case, however at the same time if she is correct, that means Katy was raped and I don’t want to wish for that at all, either
As someone said above, this could easily explain her change in sound and personality. Especially her therapy session. I know the point is they want to defend their client, but this was a horrible situation to put Katy, Gaga and Kesha in
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jun 16, 2018 4:47:22 GMT -5
The legal team for Dr. Luke said that as reported by an entertainment news source? I'd take that with a huge grain of salt. They may have said something that implied it as part of their defense of him and of course the reporter filled in the blanks. I heard (also via an entertainment news source) that what Katy said has been sealed and not made public.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2018 5:25:31 GMT -5
Damn. If Katy is denying it....ouch ouch for who? Kesha? Yeah. Big ouch for Kesha. The worst part is that from what I can tell, Kesha only texted Gaga with that. Gaga is the one who started going around and telling other people. So Gaga inadvertently f**ked Kesha over by not keeping her mouth shut. Where this also gets confusing/messy is that Gaga and Katy are also on friendly terms, so did Gaga not ever think to check with Katy on that? Or did she, in which case we are back to somewhat side eyeing Katy - I presume the reason Luke/his lawyers would be bold enough to claim the text was proven to be a lie (if they did in fact say that) is b/c Katy denied it when she was deposed. I'm also curious how Kesha would know that happened (if it did) and how exactly she stated that claim in the text message. Granted, Kesha alleged that Luke drugged her before raping her, so (again - if it happened) maybe she knew or assumed Luke did the same to Katy at some point, but Katy herself wouldn't be able to recall. If that's how it went down this whole situation is f**ked up beyond my comprehension. If Kesha's legal team had any sense they'd just ignore that text mess altogether and gather up every celeb they can to testify that they chose to stop working with Luke b/c of his personal character and not b/c of Kesha's accusations. Kelly and P!nk have said enough through interviews that they don't even need those two show up to testify, they could just pull direct quotes from interviews. All that bridge-burning was bound to catch up with him sooner or later; Kesha's accusations are just the straw that broke the camel's back IMO. But I don't have a lot of faith in her legal team at this point. It does all come back to Katy in a way though b/c I think she was his last consistent meal ticket, and she's the bulk of the $50 million he's claiming to have lost. I cannot think of any other pop star that he has been able to work with on so many consecutive albums aside from people he signed himself. He chases everyone away. (This is something else I'd bring up if I were Kesha's legal team - why are you projecting lost income from a fourth, fifth, and sixth KP album when the only artist you've ever worked with for that many albums is Pitbull?)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2018 5:39:00 GMT -5
The legal team for Dr. Luke said that as reported by an entertainment news source? I'd take that with a huge grain of salt. They may have said something that implied it as part of their defense of him and of course the reporter filled in the blanks. I heard (also via an entertainment news source) that what Katy said has been sealed and not made public. Multiple sites, including Billboard.com and ABC News Radio, have repeated this quote (and they do put it in quotes, which means it's not to be taken as a paraphrasing or filling in the blanks) and attributed it directly to Dr. Luke's camp. But weirdly, none of these sites actually say when or where the quote was given, although Billboard added that his lawyers did not respond when Billboard reached out for clarification as to when Katy denied it.** Luke is an unapologetic sleazebag and asshole, but he has the better legal team and it would be unusually sloppy of them to make that statement without something to back it up, which is why I figured they were relying on Katy's deposition. However, I didn't realize that apparently her depo was supposed to be sealed...so, that's problematic. You know what, now that I think about it the statement is very on brand with how Luke has spoken and behaved during this whole ordeal. So now I wonder if maybe he put it out there, claiming it was from "his team," and now the lawyers are like 'wtf' b/c he was not supposed to do that.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jun 16, 2018 5:47:55 GMT -5
The legal team for Dr. Luke said that as reported by an entertainment news source? I'd take that with a huge grain of salt. They may have said something that implied it as part of their defense of him and of course the reporter filled in the blanks. I heard (also via an entertainment news source) that what Katy said has been sealed and not made public. Multiple sites, including Billboard.com and ABC News Radio, have repeated this quote (and they do put it in quotes, which means it's not to be taken as a paraphrasing or filling in the blanks) and attributed it directly to Dr. Luke's camp. But weirdly, none of these sites actually say when or where the quote was given, although Billboard added that his lawyers did not respond when Billboard reached out for clarification as to when Katy denied it.** Luke is an unapologetic sleazebag and asshole, but he has the better legal team and it would be unusually sloppy of them to make that statement without something to back it up, which is why I figured they were relying on Katy's deposition. However, I didn't realize that apparently her depo was supposed to be sealed...so, that's problematic. You know what, now that I think about it the statement is very on brand with how Luke has spoken and behaved during this whole ordeal. So now I wonder if maybe he put it out there, claiming it was from "his team," and now the lawyers are like 'wtf' b/c he was not supposed to do that. I'm more questioning the reliability of those reporting on this, tbh. We've seen in the past how easy it is for stuff to be passed off as "news" to eventually make reputable news publications. Remember when Lady Gaga and/or her label lost $25 million from Artpop? Until it was confirmed to be not true. If there was a source attached to the quote: a name, place or time, or even 'an anonymous source reported to (insert reputable reporter here) said', then it would have a bit more validity. I should add that I don't necessarily think reporters are being sloppy with this because it's a "women's issue" but because it's an entertainment issue. I think news about pop stars is much more sloppy and hearsay can and does get passed around until it reaches 'news-ish' levels.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2018 5:58:09 GMT -5
Multiple sites, including Billboard.com and ABC News Radio, have repeated this quote (and they do put it in quotes, which means it's not to be taken as a paraphrasing or filling in the blanks) and attributed it directly to Dr. Luke's camp. But weirdly, none of these sites actually say when or where the quote was given, although Billboard added that his lawyers did not respond when Billboard reached out for clarification as to when Katy denied it.** Luke is an unapologetic sleazebag and asshole, but he has the better legal team and it would be unusually sloppy of them to make that statement without something to back it up, which is why I figured they were relying on Katy's deposition. However, I didn't realize that apparently her depo was supposed to be sealed...so, that's problematic. You know what, now that I think about it the statement is very on brand with how Luke has spoken and behaved during this whole ordeal. So now I wonder if maybe he put it out there, claiming it was from "his team," and now the lawyers are like 'wtf' b/c he was not supposed to do that. I'm more questioning the reliability of those reporting on this, tbh. We've seen in the past how easy it is for stuff to be passed off as "news" to eventually make reputable news publications. Remember when Lady Gaga and/or her label lost $25 million from Artpop? Until it was confirmed to be not true. If there was a source attached to the quote: a name, place or time, or even 'an anonymous source reported to (insert reputable reporter here) said', then it would have a bit more validity. I should add that I don't necessarily think reporters are being sloppy with this because it's a "women's issue" but because it's an entertainment issue. I think news about pop stars is much more sloppy and hearsay can and does get passed around until it reaches 'news-ish' levels. Yeah, that's why I noted both the oddness in the lack of source in any article and Billboard's attempt to get a direct statement themselves. It is suspect, but for now I'm going with my theory that Luke has given his attorneys a reason to bill him for overtime this weekend. (edit - I see no reason for anyone besides Luke to have the motivation to make up a statement like this, and if he initially sent that to one of the more gossipy sites that would explain the unprofessional wording/lack of source.) The authenticity of the statement could likely be assessed by tracking which website was the first to report that statement, but since almost every site published this on the same day it's probably impossible to ascertain who was first.
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