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Post by surfy on Jun 25, 2015 20:43:50 GMT -5
And Baron, stop flipping s**t on ME because without ME and DRAG, y'all would have LOST already, okay? I'm trying to help, I knew that if Libra and you were truly vanilla, I would have no hypotheses, no theories, no bulls**t. I would know. So instead of having 3 question marks, I know have none, I know you two are truly vanilla, and I was coming here to vote pop, but I see I didn't even need to wait, as he's now coming after me for s**t I know is false. Trust me, why on Earth would I lie about tracking LIBRA of all people as my excuse if I was scum. (Which I'm not) You have zero question marks - but what about the rest of us? Who don't know if you're telling the truth or not? It would have been great if you could have tracked Pop, but you didn't. If you don't believe me now, who says you would have believed me if I did track popstop? Tracking pop would'nt magically change your mind on me, as you would still have no 100% fullproof way of knowing that I'm telling the truth.
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Post by surfy on Jun 25, 2015 20:55:29 GMT -5
If I would have tracked scumstop last night, I would have gotten nothing (as he's probably a goon) and then I would have you two as question marks in my head along with him. Then I would've just had a... "oh I checked popstop last night and he came up as vanilla/inactive" then it would've turned into some he said/he said bulls**t circle jerk of endless convo, and I would walk away with a 33.33333% chance of lynching the right person. We never should have been question marks to begin with................... You track Popstop, you find out who he kills, plain and simple There was always the question of "why were you two brought back" and "could they have been converted?". The theory was brought up multiple times in the last day phase (granted most of it was Popstop throwing that around) but I wanted to test it, and I was correct, you two are still vanilla, and pop is scum.
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Post by Green Baron on Jun 25, 2015 21:04:44 GMT -5
You have zero question marks - but what about the rest of us? Who don't know if you're telling the truth or not? It would have been great if you could have tracked Pop, but you didn't. If you don't believe me now, who says you would have believed me if I did track popstop? Tracking pop would'nt magically change your mind on me, as you would still have no 100% fullproof way of knowing that I'm telling the truth. Actually, tracking Pop would have changed a lot of things. We would have at least some sort of alleged action on him, but instead we have nothing because you wanted to chase after confirmed vanillas.
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Post by surfy on Jun 25, 2015 21:06:55 GMT -5
If you don't believe me now, who says you would have believed me if I did track popstop? Tracking pop would'nt magically change your mind on me, as you would still have no 100% fullproof way of knowing that I'm telling the truth. Actually, tracking Pop would have changed a lot of things. We would have at least some sort of alleged action on him, but instead we have nothing because you wanted to chase after confirmed vanillas. I already explained myself, and if you aren't satisfied with my answer, then sorry. I don't know what to tell you. I don't regret anything because I had no doubt in my mind after I read Az's PM to me as to who I was going to vote for...
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Post by Green Baron on Jun 25, 2015 21:07:31 GMT -5
Cynthia, Daryl, Drag, Kunt, Mike, Surfboardt
Wait, this can't be possible because Endgame would have happened.
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Post by Green Baron on Jun 25, 2015 21:08:03 GMT -5
Actually, tracking Pop would have changed a lot of things. We would have at least some sort of alleged action on him, but instead we have nothing because you wanted to chase after confirmed vanillas. I already explained myself, and if you aren't satisfied with my answer, then sorry. I don't know what to tell you. I don't regret anything because I had no doubt in my mind after I read Az's PM to me as to who I was going to vote for... Did you receive your PMs in the middle of the night or right before the day started.
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Post by popstop on Jun 25, 2015 21:14:24 GMT -5
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Wait, this can't be possible because Endgame would have happened. There was a conversation. I've said this about twenty times.
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Post by surfy on Jun 25, 2015 21:14:29 GMT -5
I already explained myself, and if you aren't satisfied with my answer, then sorry. I don't know what to tell you. I don't regret anything because I had no doubt in my mind after I read Az's PM to me as to who I was going to vote for... Did you receive your PMs in the middle of the night or right before the day started. I receive my PMs right before Az posts that the beginning of the day phase.
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Post by popstop on Jun 25, 2015 21:14:55 GMT -5
Conversion, you stupid phone.
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Post by Green Baron on Jun 25, 2015 21:15:06 GMT -5
Cynthia, Daryl, Drag, Kunt, Mike, Surfboardt
Wait, this can't be possible because Endgame would have happened. There was a conversation. I've said this about twenty times. We have conversations all the time during the day phase. That's how we weed out the Scum.
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Post by Green Baron on Jun 25, 2015 21:15:16 GMT -5
dammit, you ruined my joke
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Post by Libra on Jun 25, 2015 21:18:54 GMT -5
...Okay. So, the battle of wits has begun. popstop and Surf have emerged with dueling theories as to who the last Mafia is. Surprise, surprise...they're pointing to each other. Let's look at how each person's stated activity would work, if said person was scum. Surf. popstop would have to be right about this all along, in that Kunt did in fact point to you along the way. This isn't a stretch either because of how Surf went about voting Max. It wasn't his vote that bothered me-- it was Surf's abrupt claim immediately following that. Why? There was plenty of evidence to suggest Max was scum without ever needing to claim.By claiming when you did, you'd have cast yourself in such a Town-appearing outfit, made even moreso by Max flipping scum, thus his and Kunt's gunning for you would be made to look like it's full of shit. Then, you'd have strengthened this even further (!) by further bussing Kunt on D4, coming in with what you said was your Tracker result to punctuate this after Drag tagged you asking for the result. Boom! Instantly the focus was back on Kunt once again after it had wavered during D3, and you look like the hero once again. Incidentally...if it was you, taking Drag out right after that: That'd be cold. I'd also have to give you credit, for D5 - you could have easily lied and pointed to Daryl as being Drag's killer. But you didn't. You'd have known...that if you did that, that once Daryl had flipped Doctor, you'd have instantly been figured out as a liar for today. So instead, you'd have laid in wait until Daryl had spoken up about what he said he'd did, choosing to then come in and confirm that in order to keep your cover. As for now? You call popstop a liar and claim to have tracked me with no result (which, BTW, is true), therefore getting us to bus popstop without a harder reason not to. (Technically, nothing's been proven on Green Baron, if we believe popstop's alignment-switching-once-out-the-Infirmary theory.) Popstop. You've claimed Follower. Let's look at who you've now said to have been your targets. N1 - Daryl was known to be a Doctor on at least some level, since D3. For you, if you're scum, it would've been since N1. In spite of what you've said about him, I still wonder why you'd have let him go on in this game despite knowing since N1 that he had a protector role. N2 - Zebra. He was killed that same night. Knowing that he'd have investigated someone would be a no-brainer. N4 - Me. I've stated again and again that I came back the same as how I flipped D1. Again, not that hard to just "confirm" what I've been saying. And N5 would obviously be the lie. Lot of duck and cover to your methods, if this was your scum strategy... As I said, the battle of wits has begun. It ends when Green Baron and I decide, and we both vote (assuredly for the same person) - and we figure out who is right...and who is dead. :)
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Post by Libra on Jun 25, 2015 21:20:38 GMT -5
Green Baron, how long do you have available right now? Only because we can end this by joint voting at any time.
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Post by Libra on Jun 25, 2015 21:23:24 GMT -5
FYI: I do not intend to see this drag out, either - I just don't want to end up placing my vote and then be left waiting.
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Post by popstop on Jun 25, 2015 21:41:33 GMT -5
Libra, you are the most obviously town person here. I had the most heat, and Baron, with his defensiveness, also looked shady. I feel like the idea was going to be to turn us against each other and completely ignore Surf.
Now if Kunt and Max weren't involved, Surf probably wouldn;t have lept to mind as a threat. I would have gone after Baron today, especially after that non-vote near the end. But we've seen mafia do things like this before. Codex played me last game when he added me and Zebra to his neighborhood. I was the only non-town, and I ended up getting lynched because that threw me off. Mafia, because they talk to each other, have time to hatch out plans. And this was a brilliant one - turn the watcher and then have him lead the town people to lynch each other.
Anyhow, I have confirmation of a killing by Surf. I did a shitty job of as a follower this game, and I understand the hesitation to believe me. But I'd hate to lose because I wasn't believed.
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Post by popstop on Jun 25, 2015 21:43:21 GMT -5
Hm, that's not clear.
Re: the first paragraph, that's why I think Surf claims he checked you out, the most obviously town person, instead of people who had heat on them.
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Post by Green Baron on Jun 25, 2015 21:50:53 GMT -5
Green Baron, how long do you have available right now? Only because we can end this by joint voting at any time. I'm still on Popstop. We can end this now. Yankee game is over.
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Post by Libra on Jun 25, 2015 21:51:40 GMT -5
Green Baron, how long do you have available right now? Only because we can end this by joint voting at any time. I'm still on Popstop. We can end this now. Yankee game is over. You technically haven't voted yet.
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Post by Green Baron on Jun 25, 2015 21:52:11 GMT -5
Well, I meant my suspicions are still on Popstop.
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Post by surfy on Jun 25, 2015 21:54:16 GMT -5
Before you vote, I just want to point out, that if he knew I claimed tracker when he came back and if he was the true tracker, then he would know I was bluffing and could have called me scum right there and gotten rid of me, but instead he hid it for 2 days, and then all the sudden comes back with this?
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Post by Libra on Jun 25, 2015 21:54:32 GMT -5
Vote: popstop, for two reasons. 1) Your "someone had to have been converted to Mafia" theory. Your only offered evidence to support this is having suggested that Az tweaked roles in ways not necessarily posted anywhere else. That is to say, it's not hard evidence at all. 2) Yesterday, you stated that you went to the bathroom at a restaurant just to get away so you could make your vote. In so doing, you offered a cover of extra effort just to make that vote - a vote that, literally no one questioned you over, ever. This points to fake "proof" of Townie-ness. I'm sure there are many other things I could point to that I haven't already, but that would get kind of mean...and long. So, there it is. Goodbye! :)
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Post by Green Baron on Jun 25, 2015 21:55:34 GMT -5
He could have always said it's because he didn't want to be NK'd, but that would make no sense because there was still the Comparison Cop and Doctor, more valuable than the Follower because the Follower doesn't know who did the action.
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Post by Green Baron on Jun 25, 2015 21:56:07 GMT -5
Vote: Popstop
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Post by surfy on Jun 25, 2015 21:56:31 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 21:57:13 GMT -5
HAHAHAHA
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Post by surfy on Jun 25, 2015 21:57:42 GMT -5
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Post by josh on Jun 25, 2015 21:57:43 GMT -5
rip town wow you guys suck congrats scum
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Post by popstop on Jun 25, 2015 21:58:46 GMT -5
:'( Stupid town.
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Post by popstop on Jun 25, 2015 21:59:18 GMT -5
You didn;t even give me a chance to defend those comments.
Idiots.
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