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Post by Zeebz on Jun 25, 2015 23:07:54 GMT -5
Congrats Coco (and town)! :)
Popstop, you definitely made the ending of the game more enjoyable.
Thanks for the setup Az! It was fun and the twists definitely helped to make things exciting.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 23:10:28 GMT -5
Also, while we're talking about reading-- town absolutely wasn't. At all. There was a serious dependency on power roles this game and just blatant oversight and circle-jerking.
If you were a new(ish) player, I really encourage you to read the green room.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jun 25, 2015 23:11:13 GMT -5
Except for the portion where Daryl voted Surf, giving us a shot at Surf being lynched, I was trying to get lynched for most of Day 3. It was either me or Kunt and Kunt getting lynched meant our team was out. As I keep saying, it's hard getting lynched without making it obvious.
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ROLE PM'SBaron:You don’t have a name, you’re just the Player Character. You know this is a game and you have no control – only the person playing the game (and you) has any control over your actions. But since you only know what the player knows, you have no idea what you’re in for after a new game starts... Role: The Player Character, Asylum PatientAbilities: Your only powers are your voice and your vote, so make the best of them while you can! Win Condition: You win once all threats to the asylum are eliminated. Daryl:You are a doctor in employ at the asylum. Working closely with the pharmacy, you prescribe and administer anti-psychotics to the patients in the asylum, but you think one of the more sneaky ones have somehow slipped you something because you’ve been a little out of sorts lately... Role: Dr. Strait, Asylum DoctorAbilities: Each night you may send me the command Protect: NAME. One lethal action targeting this player will fail, however you will not be notified whether this was successful or not. You may not target yourself. You may elect to use the command Protect: No Target. Win Condition: You win once all threats to the asylum are eliminated. Drag:You’re Jesus reborn. Many have tried to convince you otherwise but you feel the power of God within you. As such, you have become popular as a calming influence among the other patients and you have amassed a loyal following of disciples. However, you know that each one of your disciples has also reincarnated and found their way to this very asylum so you’re becoming increasingly paranoid about who is Judas, returned to betray you again... Role: Jesus, Asylum Comparison CopAbilities: Each night you may send me the command Cop: NAME1|NAME 2. You will be told if those players are Opposing OR Allied in regards to their alignments. You may not target yourself or non-living players. You may elect to use the command Cop: No Target. Your sanity is (ironically) guaranteed. Win Condition: You win once all threats to the asylum are eliminated. Josh:You are Not Jesus. You’ve been at the asylum for years, long enough to know that you are Not Jesus because believing you’re the reincarnation of Christ is insane. And you are not insane. Because you are Not Jesus. And you definitely do not have any divine powers from God. You think... Role: Not Jesus, Asylum PatientAbilities: Your only powers are your voice and your vote, so make the best of them while you can! Win Condition: You win once all threats to the asylum are eliminated. Libra:You are arguably the most famous queen of France, lost and confused in a strange future far beyond your comprehension. Funny men in odd clothing keep telling you it’s all a delusion and they’re trying to help you but you just wish they would leave you alone with your cake. What you wouldn’t give for a guillotine... Role: Marie Antoinette, Asylum PatientAbilities: Your only powers are your voice and your vote, so make the best of them while you can! Win Condition: You win once all threats to the asylum are eliminated. Mikey:You’re just another doctor at the asylum. You’ve been there long enough to know most of the patients but you’re beginning to feel like some of the crazy is rubbing off on you. You think that any day now you’ll be checking in as a patient instead of a staff member... Role: Dr. McCall, Asylum PatientAbilities: Your only powers are your voice and your vote, so make the best of them while you can! Win Condition: You win once all threats to the asylum are eliminated. Surfboardt:You are Siri. Yes, you’re the voice from the iPhone. No, seriously. Being an electronic voicebox, you’re part of a greater electronic device, and via the asylum’s wi-fi network you can access GPS to locate every other person on the premises at any time. You’re concerned that someone is trying to hack the network and are going overboard tracking any potential threats... Role: Siri, Asylum TrackerAbilities: Each night you can target a player by sending me the command Track: NAME. You will be told if that player visited NAME(S) or None. You may not target yourself. You may elect to use the command Track: No Target. Win Condition: You win once all threats to the asylum are eliminated. Zebra:You’re a detective with the local police department, here to investigate some strange goings-on at the asylum. One of the staff members had attempted to be a whistleblower who alerted you to some highly illegal secret practices but upon arriving to meet with the informant you’ve discovered he has disappeared under mysterious circumstances. You’re determined to get to the bottom of the mystery at all costs, or go insane trying... Role: Detective Harper, Asylum CopAbilities: Each night you may send me the command Cop: NAME. You will be told if the targeted player is Asylum or Disturbed. You may not target yourself. You may elect to use the command Cop: No Target. Your sanity is guaranteed. Win Condition: You win once all threats to the asylum are eliminated. Kunt:You’ve forsaken your birth name. Your true name is Dr. Zion, and you’ve made it your personal mission to establish a new world order where you can rule all. Being a neuro-surgeon at the asylum, and with access to a fully-stocked pharmacy, you have a lot of power to shape the fragile minds of the people around you to enlighten them, and persuade them to share in your vision. If only it weren’t for that godforsaken detective... Role: Dr. Zion, Disturbed Mentor AbductorPartner: Mike, Chuckles, Disturbed MenteeAbilities: Each night, you can choose any two living players and take them away to a White Room for ‘experimentation’. Those two players will be held for one Day phase before release. If your partner is lynched, both players are released and you may choose one of them to alignment-convert and join your faction. If you are lynched, your partner commits suicide and your captives will both be released unharmed. You are able to communicate with your partner at all times in the following QuickTopic: www.quicktopic.com/51/H/JQWjK7sr5Rv If either of you are killed, the quicktopic will be locked and you will no longer be able to privately communicate. If you successfully brainwash another player, a second quicktopic will be opened for you to communicate with your newly-turned recruit. During each night phase either one of you, unless dead, may PM me with the command Murder: NAME. That player will be targeted with a lethal action in the night phase. Win Condition: You win once your faction has an undeniable majority rule over all others or nothing can prevent this. _____________________________ SAFE CLAIMYou are a well-respected doctor in your community with the utmost respect for your profession. All you really want is to care for your patients, watch over them and make them better. After all, you’re here to change the world – and what better way than to heal the sickness of the mind? But there’s this horrible business of a threat to the asylum. Thank heavens there’s a detective looking into the matter for you... Role: Dr. Wisemann, Asylum WatcherAbilities: Each night you can target a player by sending in the command Watch: NAME. You will be told if that player was visited by NAME(S) or None. You may not target yourself. You may elect to use the command Watch: No Target. Win Condition: You win once all threats to the asylum are eliminated. MAX:Nobody knows your name. You don’t even remember it. All anyone really knows about you is your laugh. Deep, dark and incredibly creepy, you’ve been gifted the nickname Chuckles. And you don’t ever speak, which makes your constant laughter all the more unsettling. You have a deep dislike of people, and you would give anything to have the last laugh... Role: Chuckles, Disturbed MenteePartner: Kunt, Dr. Zion, Disturbed Mentor AbductorAbilities: You are able to communicate with your partner at all times in the following QuickTopic: www.quicktopic.com/51/H/JQWjK7sr5Rv If either of you are killed, the quicktopic will be locked and you will no longer be able to privately communicate. If your partner is lynched you will commit suicide in the same Day phase; however, if you are lynched your partner may alignment-convert another player of his choosing to join your faction. During each night phase either one of you, unless dead, may PM me with the command Murder: NAME. That player will be targeted with a lethal action in the night phase. Win Condition: You win once your faction has an undeniable majority rule over all others or nothing can prevent this. ________________________ SAFE CLAIMYou’re a loner at the asylum; seemingly without the ability to speak, you don’t communicate with any of your fellow patients. Instead, all anyone really knows about you is your laugh, earning you the nickname Chuckles. If only they knew what you found so funny... Role: Chuckles, Asylum PatientAbilities: Your only powers are your voice and your vote, so make the best of them while you can! Win Condition: You win once all threats to the asylum are eliminated. POPSTOP:You are the warden of the asylum, but now after your mind was hi-jacked your thoughts are not to protect the patients but to assimilate them and help bring in a new world order under the watchful eye of your new master, Dr. Zion. Now, to keep evidence of your new life purpose hidden from those around you... Role: Warden Briggs, Disturbed Mafia GoonPartners: Kunt, Dr. Zion, Disturbed Mentor Abductor & Max, Chuckles, Disturbed MenteeAbilities: You are able to communicate with your partner at all times in the following QuickTopic: www.quicktopic.com/51/H/Cdre6pnSEJy5 If either of you are killed, the quicktopic will be locked and you will no longer be able to privately communicate. During each night phase either one of you, unless dead, may PM me with the command Murder: NAME. That player will be targeted with a lethal action in the night phase. Win Condition: You win once your faction has an undeniable majority rule over all others or nothing can prevent this. ________________________ SAFE CLAIM / ORIGINAL ROLE PMYou’re the warden at the asylum, in charge of all of the staff and making sure everything is proceeding smoothly. However, you’ve begun to notice strange things happening in the halls, and unrest among the patients as you fear you’re about to completely lose control of the place. If one flies over the cuckoo’s nest... Role: Warden Briggs, Asylum PatientAbilities: Your only powers are your voice and your vote, so make the best of them while you can! Win Condition: You win once all threats to the asylum are eliminated. CYNTHIA:Everyone knows you well enough – you’re the guy with multiple personalities. What they don’t know is that you’re a depraved and sadistic individual; the personality they believe to be the host is really just one of your alters, there to present the front that you are a poor, tortured soul who has suffered incredible cruelty leading to the dissociation. In reality, you are looking for revenge on the person who splintered you like this, and you’ll do anything to get out of this godforsaken asylum. Lucky you, you’ve got plenty of alters to hide your true nature... Role: Joe Darke, Psychotic DID Patient (Jack-Of-All-Trades)Abilities: One night only you may send me the command Track: NAME. You will be told if the targeted player visited NAME(S) OR None. You may not target yourself. You may elect to use the command Track: No Target. One night only you may send me the command Watch: NAME. You will be told if the targeted player was visited by NAME(S) OR None. You may not target yourself. You may elect to use the command Watch: No Target. One night only you may send me the command Murder: NAME. That player will be targeted with a lethal action in the night phase. You may not target yourself. You may elect to use the command No Murder. One night only you may send me the command Stun: NAME. That player will be voteless in the following day phase. You may not target yourself. You may elect to use the command Stun: No Target. You may only use one command during each night phase. Win Condition: You win when all other players, regardless of faction are dead or nothing can prevent this. __________________________ SAFE CLAIM Everyone feels bad for the trauma you’ve experienced in the past which has led to you developing Dissociative Identity Disorder. You are afflicted with a number of varying personalities, some violent and some benign, but you are trying your best to re-integrate all of these personalities and get yourself together. You’ve just got to be mindful of your triggers... Role: James White, Asylum DID Patient (Jack-Of-All-Trades)Abilities: One night only you may send me the command Track: NAME. You will be told if the targeted player visited NAME(S) OR None. You may not target yourself. You may elect to use the command Track: No Target. One night only you may send me the command Watch: NAME. You will be told if the targeted player was visited by NAME(S) OR None. You may not target yourself. You may elect to use the command Watch: No Target. 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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 23:23:43 GMT -5
Except for the portion where Daryl voted Surf, giving us a shot at Surf being lynched, I was trying to get lynched for most of Day 3. It was either me or Kunt and Kunt getting lynched meant our team was out. As I keep saying, it's hard getting lynched without making it obvious. yeah, this is pretty much the entire reason I lost, too. I knew going into D3 that I needed Kunt lynched if I wanted any kind of chance at surviving, but I didn't realize just how badly until you flipped mentee. I wish I'd been around more that day b/c being the indie, I realized you two were partners together and it should have been apparent that you were sacrificing yourself for the sake of sparing Kunt. had I pointed that out I could have possibly convinced everyone to vote for Kunt first. Az had a really good flavor and setup IMO, the balance was just off and there were a couple of, if not bastard, bastard-leaning mechanisms that really messed things up. Role alignment changes are often considered bastard, as are bringing back revived players. Not gonna rehash that for the most part, except to say that town would have been in LYLO had GB and Libra not returned, and that anyone modding a game in the future should not ever put an indie in the game without at least a 1-S bulletproof. that s**t was just unfair. I knew I was going to lose as soon as I opened my role PM and that made it hard to care. Well, I guess I should start working on my own game now.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jun 25, 2015 23:24:46 GMT -5
Also, I probably said it in the Green Room but I really liked this game. The flavour of it was great and probably the only game I've played where I actually remembered my character and flavour. The story was so consistent and presented so nicely. Kudos to Az for that!
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Post by Libra on Jun 25, 2015 23:24:58 GMT -5
But seriously, I can't tell you how frustrating it was that not one of you bought the conversion thing when that's exactly how it happened. At least lych me for knowing too much about the twist. And I can't tell you how frustrated I was that everyone was sticking to the idea that just because Libra and Baron returned, doesn't mean they were automatically still town. It doesn't make sense to have one's alignment confirmed by a mod upon entry or re-entry into the game. If I were in it, regardless of whether I was town or scum, I would have argued that point right into the dead horse. Isn't it fair, though, that when Kunt flipped scum, Town would have cause to dismiss his proposed theories as scum lies? Granted, if he'd been right, doing that would be fatal for Town (I guess this breeds a lesson: it's never a bad idea for Town to have healthy skepticism)...it just doesn't look good for what he suggested to be true, given his flip.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jun 25, 2015 23:29:00 GMT -5
Not gonna rehash that for the most part, except to say that town would have been in LYLO had GB and Libra not returned. The only thing that kind of bothered me about the game setup was with Libra and GB returning. Not so much that they returned but how it was done. The way I see it, when a decision like that is made, it should be completely up to chance of the game 100% and their return was somewhat ambiguous. Like, there needs to be a trigger from something within the game itself that determines something like that. Other than that, it was a great game!
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jun 25, 2015 23:31:35 GMT -5
And I can't tell you how frustrated I was that everyone was sticking to the idea that just because Libra and Baron returned, doesn't mean they were automatically still town. It doesn't make sense to have one's alignment confirmed by a mod upon entry or re-entry into the game. If I were in it, regardless of whether I was town or scum, I would have argued that point right into the dead horse. Isn't it fair, though, that when Kunt flipped scum, Town would have cause to dismiss his proposed theories as scum lies? Granted, if he'd been right, doing that would be fatal for Town (I guess this breeds a lesson: it's never a bad idea for Town to have healthy skepticism)...it just doesn't look good for what he suggested to be true, given his flip. True, but I think not considering something on that basis isn't really the smartest either. Hypothetically, one of them *could* have flipped and ya'll would have completely passed on the possibility because Kunt made the suggestion - and he wouldn't have known either. I've learned more than ever in this game that just because someone is scum, doesn't mean they can't help town. Your biggest priority as scum is to draw attention away from yourself. If helping town in other ways can do that, so be it.
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Post by Green Baron on Jun 25, 2015 23:32:52 GMT -5
oh god I fucked up a few times
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Post by Libra on Jun 25, 2015 23:33:01 GMT -5
@touch, had GB or myself changed upon coming back, we should have been told, yes? Only exception being if Az was being a Bastard Mod and withholding that from us. Yes, but that's not my point. If you had changed alignments, why on earth would you tell town that? You'd just be lynched. Obviously, you'd still say that you came back as the same alignment to avoid suspicion. The point was that, logically, town should have questioned your alignment and Surf wasn't wrong for doing so. He didn't know what you two were brought back as regardless of whether or not the two of you did, because he doesn't have access to your Role PMs or the Infirmary. To cite a reference, the only other game we saw revivals was in josh's Election 2016 Mafia. Kurt and Cynthia were revived as "werewolves and mummies" as scum, but told everyone that they had been revived as vanilla. They also won. LOL, obviously we wouldn't just out ourselves as scum. But having literally no idea of how this was working...I guess I don't see how else we could have tried to prove ourselves given that we were in fact still Town. Or is there no real proof that can come from the revival? Though, if anything, that points to many of us not having played with revival included before.
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Post by surfy on Jun 25, 2015 23:36:57 GMT -5
Slow your role guys. First of all, Surf could be lying. I'm the only one on him D3 and suddenly I submit the kill and visit popstop, probably the only person here who could do s**t to catch him. Also can we talk about how Surf explicitly said he'd have no Intenet till Monday and here he is? Bye. Also, how the hell do we know what alignment Libra and Baron are? Again, lynch my if ya'll are that confident but let's explore our options first. I HIGHLY doubt Baron would be slipped something by a clever one that just brings townies back. Let's be real. Oh-em-gee... I noticed this post but got confused as shit, and thought you meant someone else.......... fuck.
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Post by Libra on Jun 25, 2015 23:40:16 GMT -5
Also: I get that but I was picking on anyone who thought it because I myself knew it wasn't true lol. Probably wasn't the best way to go with it in retrospect I get that, but I wanted to punch you for calling his move stupid. It literally wasn't when you think about it. He tracked Libra and confirmed that, with a kill submitted, Libra is vanilla. That doesn't exactly clear you, but it makes you look much better in light of that. Surf also knew he was town, so that left popstop. It's just amazing to me that y'all managed to lynch him correctly but for the absolute worst possible reasons imaginable that actually contradicted your own theories but somehow worked out in your favor anyway. -- Also, I love how Libra was the one to point out that I basically told everyone I visited popstop D4 and then... never brought it up again. Granted, that looked bad b/c Az didn't tell Surf I visited popstop when he tracked me (still don't agree with that) but still, I f**ked up SO BAD and nobody even bothered to look into that further. When popstop mentioned other ways of conversion, that just really made no sense to me given the roles that you flipped as - if anything, it still doesn't make much sense.
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Post by popstop on Jun 25, 2015 23:42:44 GMT -5
to point #1, Kunt made decisions based on the assumption that dead players remained dead, and then just when he was close to winning you brought two players back for the sole, stated purpose of trying to help town. so you not only screwed Kunt over but it's almost like you were punishing him just for being smarter than other players. and poor pop is probably screwed over by process of eventual elimination, meaning he does not get a win when the bulk of his efforts in the game were spent being and helping town.
Thank you for this, Cynthia - that's exactly how I felt :'(
Maybe if I stayed with town, I wouldn't be so annoyed by the return of Libra/Baron - but seeing them kept in abeyance and put back in when it was pretty clear to me Kunt was going to be lynched on D4 - even before D4 happened - was pretty crappy.
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Post by Green Baron on Jun 25, 2015 23:43:12 GMT -5
I didn't believe conversion was a thing, lol. I thought you were throwing shit at the wall and so basically I just said fuck it and didn't make much of what you said at all
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Post by Green Baron on Jun 25, 2015 23:44:23 GMT -5
to be honest I kinda wanted to die after my lynch and not make it to the end for once
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Post by surfy on Jun 25, 2015 23:45:08 GMT -5
I knew someone was converted, I just didn't know who it was, which is why I counted you two as question marks in my head... your roles were never confirmed.
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Post by Green Baron on Jun 25, 2015 23:49:29 GMT -5
I did tell Daryl to protect Surf for a reason. The only two power roles left were them, and so if Pop killed Surf, it would fail, and if Pop killed Daryl, then Surf would live another day.
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Post by Green Baron on Jun 25, 2015 23:50:37 GMT -5
And for everyone asking about why I soft claimed a power role - it was because if somehow I made it out of that lynch alive, I would be a target of Scum, and then they'd end up killing a supposed power role when I was actually vanilla
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 23:51:14 GMT -5
Isn't it fair, though, that when Kunt flipped scum, Town would have cause to dismiss his proposed theories as scum lies? Granted, if he'd been right, doing that would be fatal for Town (I guess this breeds a lesson: it's never a bad idea for Town to have healthy skepticism)...it just doesn't look good for what he suggested to be true, given his flip. True, but I think not considering something on that basis isn't really the smartest either. Hypothetically, one of them *could* have flipped and ya'll would have completely passed on the possibility because Kunt made the suggestion - and he wouldn't have known either. I've learned more than ever in this game that just because someone is scum, doesn't mean they can't help town. Your biggest priority as scum is to draw attention away from yourself. If helping town in other ways can do that, so be it. Your last point about scum having incentive to help town is absolutely crucial and why it's so important to pay attention to the game and not be so hyper-dependent on power roles and role claims. Just because you know someone to be scum doesn't mean you should stop reading their posts either. Had Libra/Baron not been revived, not reading what I was saying on D3 and voting Max out could've (probably would've) cost town the game. I already had an endgame plan going into D4 (that I even outlined to popstop before I realized Baron and Libra were revived). Going forward, power roles need to be respected but absolutely should not take priority over actually playing the game.
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Post by Green Baron on Jun 25, 2015 23:53:33 GMT -5
The problem was I felt like I tunneled way too much at the end of the game and made a few rash decisions. I don't know. Reliance on power roles is only bad when the power roles are killed and you have nothing left to work with.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 23:54:22 GMT -5
I did tell Daryl to protect Surf for a reason. The only two power roles left were them, and so if Pop killed Surf, it would fail, and if Pop killed Daryl, then Surf would live another day. For future reference, this is never a good idea. If you tell a confirmed Doctor who to target-- or worse, they announce it-- then scum kind of knows not to target that player by default. It should always be assumed that the Doctor should know who to target, but I also get this was a special case where Daryl was new to the game. This is more of an aside than anything.
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Post by popstop on Jun 26, 2015 0:00:36 GMT -5
I can tell you for the whole time I was scum, I was cursing Kunt for abducting me before converting me. I'm sure he had no idea that all of town would be fixated on the whole LYLO situation on D3 that caused them to suspect me. But that was literally the only reason I was being given for being a suspect. Libra even posted a link to ISO me, and I don't think one person even went back through and read my stuff to find another reason.
So Kunt, that might have won Mafia the game if you had abducted, say, Daryl and Mikey instead. And that would have been a white room worth reading, I'm sure. :)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 10:04:28 GMT -5
I can tell you for the whole time I was scum, I was cursing Kunt for abducting me before converting me. I'm sure he had no idea that all of town would be fixated on the whole LYLO situation on D3 that caused them to suspect me. But that was literally the only reason I was being given for being a suspect. Libra even posted a link to ISO me, and I don't think one person even went back through and read my stuff to find another reason. So Kunt, that might have won Mafia the game if you had abducted, say, Daryl and Mikey instead. And that would have been a white room worth reading, I'm sure. :) Well, no. Like I said, what f**ked scum over was that-- as Cynthia and I both said multiple times in the green room-- all of my decisions were mapped out under the assumption that once a player had died, they stayed dead. Your pick was pretty easy, because if anyone could've pulled off the strategy I'd mapped out it was you. And tbh I predicted everything except that Drag was the Comparison Cop (but his action didn't effect anything anyway so it was moot) and the revivals... which was what ended up f**king everything up. Had they not been revived we could've defaulted town into a majority loss. But yeah, I feel bad because at that point I really didn't have a choice. I could've converted Mikey I guess, but this is his first game and he'd been playing as town the whole time-- he wouldn't have had a shot it in the dark. Hell, he didn't have a shot and he was town.
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