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Post by Kurt on Nov 9, 2015 21:57:30 GMT -5
And it lands its first HAC add (at KZZO in Sacramento)! Wouldn't be surprised to see a proper crossover push in 2016 via RCA, as rsmatto has mentioned previously.
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Post by Marv on Nov 10, 2015 10:57:39 GMT -5
Given the fact that MILLIONS of folks and especially females who have both country and AC stations locked in on their car radios as they commute to work and live their lives, it would certainly make a lot of sense for AC stations to add this to their playlists somewhere down the road.
Acknowledging the fact that a country masterpiece much such as 'I Hope You Dance' blew up nearly simultaneously at both formats in 2000, and that AC & Country radio library standard went on to become the most played song of that decade (2000-09) at AC radio, I'm certainly not saying that 'Burning House' will blow up at AC radio as Ms. Womack's sublime gem did, but there's not a station in the nation that can't use more listeners. (duh!!!!)
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Post by myhouse911 on Nov 11, 2015 23:20:09 GMT -5
Every time I hear this song come on the radio I instantly think it's "Safe and Sound" regardless, I'm happy to see this song doing so well. She might be just what country needs seeing as Miranda will be off the radio until we get a lead single, and Carrie's constant shouting. Here's to hoping (for me anyway) that Cam and Kacey Musgraves can gain some success in their current eras.
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Post by sabre14 on Nov 11, 2015 23:27:40 GMT -5
She might be just what country needs seeing as Miranda will be off the radio until we get a lead single Miranda said she was releasing "Bathroom Sink" as her next single off Platinum. She sang it at the CMA Awards and it has started getting spins on Mediabase, although we still do not have an add date.
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Post by myhouse911 on Nov 11, 2015 23:30:42 GMT -5
^ Oh I didn't realize that, I should have checked before I posted. I just figured this era was over for her. Maybe I was just wishing it haha.
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Post by dm2081 on Dec 9, 2015 16:37:58 GMT -5
Looking down the road here, I think this might be another one of those songs that is a huge hit but just runs into terrible luck as far as timing (ex: Something In The Water, Buy Me A Boat, etc.). Two things are working against it right now: 1. The big freeze is coming up, and I don't know much longer this song will be able to hang around in the top 10. The next two weeks at #1 seem all but a forgone conclusion (Gonna followed by Gonna Know We Were Here), so normally Cam would have to wait a minimum of 3 weeks before her turn. However, there won't be too much chart action during the last 2 weeks of December, and that could cause some trouble consider we have problem #2: Thomas Rhett has passed this song on both Billboard and Mediabase, and if their ever was a candidate for a natural 2-3 week #1, it would be "Die A Happy Man". I just don't see radio being able to keep this one in high rotation long enough to wait out the freeze and Rhett, and lets be honest, I'm sure radio can't wait to drop a ballad like this song.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2015 21:22:33 GMT -5
Looking down the road here, I think this might be another one of those songs that is a huge hit but just runs into terrible luck as far as timing (ex: Something In The Water, Buy Me A Boat, etc.). Two things are working against it right now: 1. The big freeze is coming up, and I don't know much longer this song will be able to hang around in the top 10. The next two weeks at #1 seem all but a forgone conclusion (Gonna followed by Gonna Know We Were Here), so normally Cam would have to wait a minimum of 3 weeks before her turn. However, there won't be too much chart action during the last 2 weeks of December, and that could cause some trouble consider we have problem #2: Thomas Rhett has passed this song on both Billboard and Mediabase, and if their ever was a candidate for a natural 2-3 week #1, it would be "Die A Happy Man". I just don't see radio being able to keep this one in high rotation long enough to wait out the freeze and Rhett, and lets be honest, I'm sure radio can't wait to drop a ballad like this song. Interesting theory/scenario you present here, but I'm still feeling pretty good about this one's chances of moving to #1 sometime in January. What I'd really like to see happen is for Thomas Rhett to get to #1 right after Blake (which would keep Jason from #1 altogether). I don't like "Die A Happy Man" at all but there's no denying that it's the biggest hit currently in the top 10 (with "Burning House" being the next biggest). Thomas' gains have been insane this week...he's increased by more than 150 spins and 1 million a day for each of the last several days. He's still a ways behind Jason (exactly 800 spins, and just under 4 million in MB audience), but he's got until the 20th/21st to catch and overtake "Gonna Know We Were Here". So I'm hoping that Thomas can pull it off, because that would mean a #2 peak for Jason's poor-selling song, and probably a minimum of 3 weeks at #1 for "Die A Happy Man"...and then it would really increase Cam's #1 chances in January, because as soon as Thomas starts to fall, there'd be nobody in Cam's way. All Arista would have to do is make January 4-10 their "max spins" or "power up for #1" week (or maybe January 11-17 if Thomas gets a 4th week at #1). A week ago I wouldn't have thought it would be possible for Thomas to catch Aldean and/or get to #1 prior to Christmas, but I'm honestly starting to think that that's Valory's goal for "Die A Happy Man". It's selling incredibly well, and it's just white hot at radio right now...and of course getting it to #1 by Sunday the 20th/Monday the 21st would ensure that it would stay at #1 through the holidays. But if Jason holds off Thomas, then yeah, I could see "Die A Happy Man" causing trouble for "Burning House" in January. I still think Cam would find her way to #1 but it'd definitely be a bit more difficult if Thomas hasn't peaked by New Year's. PS: Your last sentence is kind of interesting to me, given that "Die A Happy Man" is just as much of a ballad as "Burning House" is. So why is it that radio might not want to wait to drop "Burning House" but would have no problem keeping "Die A Happy Man" going? Obviously "Burning House" has been out longer, but it's by no means an old song, especially when compared to most of the other songs in the top 20/30 right now. Unfortunately I feel that the answer is probably because Thomas is a male and Cam is a female. Country radio has gotten a bit better this past year when it comes to giving airplay to female or female-led songs, but they've still got a long way to go.
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Post by dm2081 on Dec 9, 2015 22:01:22 GMT -5
PS: Your last sentence is kind of interesting to me, given that "Die A Happy Man" is just as much of a ballad as "Burning House" is. So why is it that radio might not want to wait to drop "Burning House" but would have no problem keeping "Die A Happy Man" going? Obviously "Burning House" has been out longer, but it's by no means an old song, especially when compared to most of the other songs in the top 20/30 right now. Unfortunately I feel that the answer is probably because Thomas is a male and Cam is a female. Country radio has gotten a bit better this past year when it comes to giving airplay to female or female-led songs, but they've still got a long way to go. Mostly because of the subject matter of the songs. "Die A Happy Man" is definitely a lot slower of a song for Rhett, but the message is still upbeat and easier to digest hearing over and over again. Just like the more serious nature of "Girl Crush", I expect radio is hesitant to play "Burning House" even to begin with. Its a song that leans toward the somber side, and after all does hint at betrayal/infidelity. I think the OTV and strong sales have given radio no reason to reject this song, but it still seems to go against the grain/norm of what radio normally plays. I see "Die A Happy Man" more in the vein of Keith's big hit "Making Memories of Us". It's slower, but non-offensive and at least lyrically seems to fit more with the current scope of the genre. All of this is just my speculation though, and I could be pleasantly surprised by radio turning "Burning House" into a gold staple.
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Post by maine on Dec 13, 2015 23:07:29 GMT -5
I really like this now. I was listening to clips from her album, and it sounds really good. Definitely need to check it out.
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Post by sabre14 on Dec 14, 2015 16:06:25 GMT -5
It looks as if Arista/Sony Nashville is gunning for #1 this week, along with Thomas Rhett. There's literally zero chance "Gonna Know We Were Here" will be #1 on Billboard and today's update doesn't look promising for the MB #1 either for Jason (losing 42 spins and over 200k in audience). "Burning House" has gained 5.0 million in audience over the past seven days, while "Die A Happy Man" has gained roughly 5.8 million in audience over the past seven days. Cam's the hottest moving song on the Mediabase Building Chart and with Jason's song being a complete non-event single, perhaps we'll see Cam grab the MB #1, while Thomas grabs the Billboard #1 (Cam had a nearly 500 total MB point lead on Rhett on the December 7th MB chart, while Rhett has an 1.2 million audience lead on Billboard, December 7th).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 16:54:14 GMT -5
No! Why this week the freeze can have Cam wait Thomas out and Brothers Osborne won't be any competition.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Dec 14, 2015 17:01:31 GMT -5
Cam's the hottest moving song on the Mediabase Building Chart and with Jason's song being a complete non-event single, perhaps we'll see Cam grab the MB #1, while Thomas grabs the Billboard #1 (Cam had a nearly 500 total MB point lead on Rhett on the December 7th MB chart, while Rhett has an 800k audience lead on Billboard, December 7th). Still, this is continuation of a pattern at Sony, grabbing #2/#3 Billboard peaks for its female artists from the jaws of a #1. I hope they'll do better by Cam and "Burning House." > > >
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Post by countrygirl918 on Dec 14, 2015 20:12:23 GMT -5
So, does Sony just not care about the Billboard charts? Or just not for their female artists? They continually do this with Carrie, too (gun for #1 at Mediabase and sacrifice #1s at Billboard in doing so). Or do they just need a new promo team?
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Post by sabre14 on Dec 14, 2015 20:19:07 GMT -5
So, does Sony just not care about the Billboard charts? Or just not for their female artists? They continually do this with Carrie, too (gun for #1 at Mediabase and sacrifice #1s at Billboard in doing so). Or do they just need a new promo team? It's not that they don't care about the Billboard chart, it's that they place the Mediabase chart on the same level. They also see Thomas' song staying at #1 through the new year and into the first part of January and don't wish to risk keeping "Burning House's" airplay levels this high for another month since it is such a ballad sung by a new female artist. They want this to peak as soon as possible.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 20:28:48 GMT -5
So, does Sony just not care about the Billboard charts? Or just not for their female artists? They continually do this with Carrie, too (gun for #1 at Mediabase and sacrifice #1s at Billboard in doing so). Or do they just need a new promo team? It's not that they don't care about the Billboard chart, it's that they place the Mediabase chart on the same level. They also see Thomas' song staying at #1 through the new year and into the first part of January and don't wish to risk keeping "Burning House's" airplay levels this high for another month since it is such a ballad sung by a new female artist. They want this to peak as soon as possible. Is there a chance that Cam will get the BB #1 next week or do you think they'll only go after the MB #1.
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Post by sabre14 on Dec 14, 2015 20:32:44 GMT -5
It's not that they don't care about the Billboard chart, it's that they place the Mediabase chart on the same level. They also see Thomas' song staying at #1 through the new year and into the first part of January and don't wish to risk keeping "Burning House's" airplay levels this high for another month since it is such a ballad sung by a new female artist. They want this to peak as soon as possible. Is there a chance that Cam will get the BB #1 next week or do you think they'll only go after the MB #1. They'll try to get as many spins and audience as possible but the problem is that Thomas should still have a decent sized lead on Billboard this evening since he started out ahead on Cam by over 1.0 million in audience on Billboard's chart last week and has outgained Cam by nearly 1.0 million so far this week (that being MB numbers). Rhett jumped Cam this week on MB as well but that lead should be much more manageable.
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Post by bksouthga on Dec 14, 2015 20:48:40 GMT -5
Other than history, is there any particular reason why BB trumps MB in the minds of many?
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Post by sabre14 on Dec 14, 2015 20:53:28 GMT -5
Other than history, is there any particular reason why BB trumps MB in the minds of many? Many on Pulse don't like the fact that labels manipulate radio for overnight spins, which is effective on MB's point system and not Billboard, which is shear airplay audience. It's really that simple. I starting following R&R around 2004/2005, so I've always had a soft spot for the MB chart but the qualms about the amount of #1 singles over the past 4-5 years is justified. "Die A Happy Man's" audience lead on Billboard increased by about 300k in total audience on "Burning House" this week, so that means Thomas' lead is 1.5 million over Cam.
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Post by :) KUFan on Dec 14, 2015 21:31:50 GMT -5
I just wanted to post this as I know a lot of you guys are fans of Cam. I know many of you don't like Bobby Bones and his show but they're having Cam in tomorrow to do a live studio concert. She is singing some new songs from her album as well as covers. Bobby Bones was playing "Want it All" from the new album today, championing that song as a possible next single because it's upbeat. I listen to Bobby Bones over The iheartradio app because I'm not up early to listen on the radio.
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Post by countrygirl918 on Dec 14, 2015 23:10:55 GMT -5
So, does Sony just not care about the Billboard charts? Or just not for their female artists? They continually do this with Carrie, too (gun for #1 at Mediabase and sacrifice #1s at Billboard in doing so). Or do they just need a new promo team? It's not that they don't care about the Billboard chart, it's that they place the Mediabase chart on the same level. They also see Thomas' song staying at #1 through the new year and into the first part of January and don't wish to risk keeping "Burning House's" airplay levels this high for another month since it is such a ballad sung by a new female artist. They want this to peak as soon as possible. It just seems that Sony only ever makes an effort to push for #1 on Mediabase, and don't seem to pay much attention to Billboard. Perhaps it's because Billboard is harder to manipulate than Mediabase, though. Do other labels experience this (frequent Mediabase #1s that peak at #2 or #3 on Billboard)? I took a quick look at Wikipedia to see if I could compare the two charts, but unfortunately Mediabase #1s aren't listed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 23:18:04 GMT -5
It's not that they don't care about the Billboard chart, it's that they place the Mediabase chart on the same level. They also see Thomas' song staying at #1 through the new year and into the first part of January and don't wish to risk keeping "Burning House's" airplay levels this high for another month since it is such a ballad sung by a new female artist. They want this to peak as soon as possible. It just seems that Sony only ever makes an effort to push for #1 on Mediabase, and don't seem to pay much attention to Billboard. Perhaps it's because Billboard is harder to manipulate than Mediabase, though. Do other labels experience this (frequent Mediabase #1s that peak at #2 or #3 on Billboard)? I took a quick look at Wikipedia to see if I could compare the two charts, but unfortunately Mediabase #1s aren't listed. It's an odd pattern with Sony -- we've seen them go for Mediabase-only #1's for Carrie quite often, and now maybe they'll do it with "Burning House"...but it's not as if Sony doesn't pay attention to Billboard. Just recently Sony scored multi-week #1's with Kenny Chesney's "Save It For A Rainy Day" and Chris Young's "I'm Comin' Over" (both of them spent 3 weeks at #1 on Billboard, but only 1 week at #1 on Mediabase). Old Dominion's "Break Up With Him" also got 2 weeks at #1 on Billboard. I mostly think it's just a coincidence that Sony's female artists often peak at #2 or #3 on Billboard, rather than #1. I believe Sony would get a Carrie single, or a Cam single, multiple weeks at #1 on Billboard if they felt it was doable. In Cam's case here, it's just a bit of bad luck that "Burning House" is peaking so near to the end of the year. It's already getting a lot of airplay, and it's hard for the top 3-5 songs to start gaining again after the holiday slowdown period. So that's why most of the songs that are currently in the top 5 are gonna try as hard as they can to get to #1 before Christmas.
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Post by bksouthga on Dec 15, 2015 7:02:42 GMT -5
I just wanted to post this as I know a lot of you guys are fans of Cam. I know many of you don't like Bobby Bones and his show but they're having Cam in tomorrow to do a live studio concert. She is singing some new songs from her album as well as covers. Bobby Bones was playing "Want it All" from the new album today, championing that song as a possible next single because it's upbeat. I listen to Bobby Bones over The iheartradio app because I'm not up early to listen on the radio. And she has been excellent every time she's been on the show.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 10:15:03 GMT -5
Cam had a huge audience gain today. I'm starting to think that Burning House might be able to snag the top spot from Thomas Rhett. It's only Wednesday but Cam might be able to snag the #1 from Billboard.
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Post by :) KUFan on Dec 16, 2015 10:22:03 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 11:28:52 GMT -5
You know Sony is going for a #1 on both charts. I wouldn't be surprised if they were trying to get this at #1 thru the freeze. Not sure it's possible, but that would be my goal if I were them.
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Post by sabre14 on Dec 16, 2015 12:45:40 GMT -5
"Burning House" is still about 800k in audience behind "Die A Happy Man" as of today on Billboard but today's update was a big step towards getting this to #1 on both charts. The thing helping Arista/Sony is that Valory knows that Rhett's song can last through the holidays and they're going to try and get this to #1 as soon as possible themselves but they won't sell the farm to do it if you know what I mean. Broken Bow knows they can't compete with BMLG and Sony this week so they'll try for the week after Christmas, on MB. "Burning House's" final push should be this week since I have a feeling the numbers gained will be pretty massive if today was any indication.
Cam already has the Mediabase #1 locked down, now they are in a neck-to-neck battle with Thomas Rhett for Billboard. I'm hoping that the update Valory had today (22 spins and 200k in audience gained) continues to show up for Rhett from Thursday through Monday.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Dec 16, 2015 14:29:30 GMT -5
Really pulling for this one to take the #1 on BB. I'm gonna be upset if we have yet another female come up short at BB... that trend sucks.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 9:09:29 GMT -5
With today's update I can confidently say Cam will get her first BB #1. Today's update was too massive for Cam not to be the BB #1. I am so happy that she'll more than likely hit the top. I feel like this song hitting the top is a huge victory for not only woman in country music but for quality music as well.
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Dec 17, 2015 9:12:42 GMT -5
Yeah, this could get the BB #1 (which I'm hoping for too). BH gained 930k and DaHM lost 56k, so the gap closes by another 986k, which is a big difference. Hopefully the huge gains for BH continue!
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