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Post by firefly on Oct 3, 2015 5:39:41 GMT -5
Carly Rae Jepsen and Robin Thicke aren't one hit wonders (altho that is more fact that opinion). "Cool For the Summer" was Demi Lovato's only good song ever. Lorde is overrated. Sam Smith's songs are more boring than anyone else ever. Yes yes yes. Especially the first two. Tove Lo sucks. Brad Paisley is extremely overrated. Faith Evans is better vocalist than Mary J. Blige. Jon Connor >>>>>>>>> any other new school rapper. Melanie Fiona >>>>>>>>>> Jazmine Sullivan.
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Post by Josh Spicer on Oct 3, 2015 8:11:21 GMT -5
- From 1998 to 2008 is my favorite decade of music, particularly 2000 to 2004. - Three Days Grace is awful without Adam Gontier. - I think Contemporary Christian music could have a place in today's pop charts considering how modern sounding its becoming. - "Blurred Lines", while a very very very VERY bad song in terms of taste and all that, as a song, is not that bad. The uproar it caused was overrated considering "Love Me" by Lil Wayne was out at the same time and NOBODY said anything about it, when that's leagues worse. - "Native" is one of the best albums of the last decade. - I think the current format for the Billboard Hot 100 works, but is severely flawed since only 6 seconds equates to a "stream". - Beyonce is a good singer but most of her songs are either sexist or boring. "Singles Ladies" is also one of the most annoying and ear cringing songs I've ever heard. - While I am learning to realize it's actually a good song, "Chandelier"'s chorus still contains words hidden by a glass shattering shriek.
A lot of them are already posted, but if I come up with anymore, I'll post 'em.
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Post by redrooster on Oct 3, 2015 19:27:28 GMT -5
- I think the current format for the Billboard Hot 100 works, but is severely flawed since only 6 seconds equates to a "stream".
For the streaming points, here are two rules I think Billboard should implement. Only the song's official video should count. Not videos that use short clips of the song, not videos of people dancing/lip-synching to the song and not commercials that use the song. That would have kept songs like Livin' On a Prayer and Only Time from re-entering the chart for one week due to viral videos using the song and would have kept Harlem Shake from debuting at #1. A song's streams should only be "allowed" to count if the song also makes it on one of the other compenent charts (radio, on-demand, digital). That would have kept most viral songs like Chinese Food, We Might Be Dead By Tomorrow and Gentleman from making the chart. However, this wouldn't have stopped Harlem Shake or The Fox from making the Hot 100 because both songs made the Digital Songs top 10. It probably wouldn't have stopped #selfie from making the chart either because it crossed over to radio. But songs that were only popular on YouTube wouldn't be able to make the Hot 100 anymore.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Oct 3, 2015 20:22:03 GMT -5
- I think the current format for the Billboard Hot 100 works, but is severely flawed since only 6 seconds equates to a "stream".
For the streaming points, here are two rules I think Billboard should implement. Only the song's official video should count. Not videos that use short clips of the song, not videos of people dancing/lip-synching to the song and not commercials that use the song. That would have kept songs like Livin' On a Prayer and Only Time from re-entering the chart for one week due to viral videos using the song and would have kept Harlem Shake from debuting at #1. A song's streams should only be "allowed" to count if the song also makes it on one of the other compenent charts (radio, on-demand, digital). That would have kept most viral songs like Chinese Food, We Might Be Dead By Tomorrow and Gentleman from making the chart. However, this wouldn't have stopped Harlem Shake or The Fox from making the Hot 100 because both songs made the Digital Songs top 10. It probably wouldn't have stopped #selfie from making the chart either because it crossed over to radio. But songs that were only popular on YouTube wouldn't be able to make the Hot 100 anymore. Disagreed with this. Not sure which of us would qualify for unpopular opinions though.
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Post by redrooster on Oct 8, 2015 1:28:37 GMT -5
Beyonce is a novelty act
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 2:23:24 GMT -5
- All Kelly Clarkson songs sound the same
- I don't understand how Carly Rae Jepsen seems to have a cult following based on her "career"
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Post by NARCISSIST ELOQUENT QUEEN™ on Oct 8, 2015 2:42:06 GMT -5
- All Kelly Clarkson songs sound the same No they don't. There may be some commonalities every so often because they all were sung by the same person, and in many cases, she may have written or co-written them. I selected a bunch of the singles which represent the various sides of Kelly throughout her career so far. She has represented a number of styles including Rock, Pop/Rock, Dance/Rock, Dance, Grunge, Power Ballads, Ballads, Dubstep, R&B, and Country, and those are just some of them. Miss Independent www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS1ZW0FdoIUSince U Been Gone www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7UrFYvl5TEBehind These Hazel Eyes www.youtube.com/watch?v=yipoOY56MbMBecause Of You www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra-Om7UMSJcNever Again www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVYesEpMr84Sober www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUxlA1yWXq4Already Gone www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0T3WAbU6tgAll I Ever Wanted www.youtube.com/watch?v=UArYZacDrSEStronger (What Doesn't Kill You) www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn676-fLq7ICatch My Breath www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEValZuFYRUPeople Like Us www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWbMz_aBlMUInvincible www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQNqaERUYy4
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Post by Wave. on Oct 8, 2015 13:15:34 GMT -5
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Oct 8, 2015 14:57:07 GMT -5
I think what was meant with the Kelly Clarkson is that they don't sound the same but they're the same kind of basic and they're almost all beneath her. She actually reminds me of a friend's older sister who is also a soccer mom trying to be cool and hip when she clearly lost touch with whatever is 'in' 15 years ago but she still plays by her own rules - ones that are just not as cool or good as she thinks they are.
Get "with it" Kelly! Whatever "it" is!
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Post by Ling-Ling on Oct 8, 2015 15:17:44 GMT -5
I think Kelly is super talented and every one of her albums has a handful of solid material, but for the most part, her discography is far beneath her. The things she could be doing with that voice. I think her latest is the closest she's ever come to realizing her potential though.
Another opinion: In terms of recent white girl Becky pop albums, EMOTION > 1989.
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Post by redrooster on Oct 8, 2015 23:17:42 GMT -5
- I don't understand how Carly Rae Jepsen seems to have a cult following based on her "career" Because she's good
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Post by redrooster on Oct 8, 2015 23:19:48 GMT -5
If I asked you to name a Destiny's Child song, your answer would probably be "Bootylicious." If I asked you to name a Beyonce song, your answer would probably be "Single Ladies" or "That 'to the left, to the left'" song. She's a novelty act.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Oct 8, 2015 23:58:45 GMT -5
I would say No No No and XO, or Crazy In Love, or Work It Out, or Haunted wtf
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Post by firefly on Oct 9, 2015 2:08:59 GMT -5
By that definition, everybody is a novelty act for somebody. Nirvana is a novelty act to me then, because the only song I know is Smells Like Teen Spirit.
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Post by H. on Oct 9, 2015 7:18:37 GMT -5
CRJ is a novelty act then because the only song i can remember is Call me maybe.
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Post by Wave. on Oct 9, 2015 8:42:00 GMT -5
We are all novelty acts, that's an unpopular opinion.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Oct 9, 2015 13:30:39 GMT -5
Another opinion: In terms of recent white girl Becky pop albums, EMOTION > 1989. Now you're just stating facts and not an opinion.
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Post by redrooster on Oct 9, 2015 13:35:08 GMT -5
CRJ is a novelty act then because the only song i can remember is Call me maybe. Good Time?
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Post by redrooster on Oct 9, 2015 13:36:10 GMT -5
By that definition, everybody is a novelty act for somebody. Nirvana is a novelty act to me then, because the only song I know is Smells Like Teen Spirit. The point is that Beyonce is best known for two or three songs that all have some novelty about them. Anyway, this is the unpopular opinions thread so I don't see why you're getting all bent out of shape.
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Post by redrooster on Oct 9, 2015 13:36:59 GMT -5
I think Kelly is super talented and every one of her albums has a handful of solid material, but for the most part, her discography is far beneath her. The things she could be doing with that voice. I think her latest is the closest she's ever come to realizing her potential though. Another opinion: In terms of recent white girl Becky pop albums, EMOTION > 1989. What is "Becky pop"?
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Post by Glove Slap on Oct 9, 2015 14:30:14 GMT -5
The butthurt is real in this thread. Moving this discussion from a Logic 101 class into reality, the term "novelty" (or 'gimmicky', or 'one hit wonder', or 'flash in the pan', or 'has been' and pretty much any other term you're upset about) is unofficially bestowed by the majority (i.e. the public). It is a matter of perception. The majority of people if asked, will likely not consider neither Beyonce Knowles nor Nirvana to be novelty acts. Therefore they are not. The majority of people if asked, will likely consider Carly Rae Jepsen and Silento to be novelty acts. Therefore they are. It really (x10) is that simple.
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Post by redrooster on Oct 9, 2015 20:09:13 GMT -5
The butthurt is real in this thread. Moving this discussion from a Logic 101 class into reality, the term "novelty" (or 'gimmicky', or 'one hit wonder', or 'flash in the pan', or 'has been' and pretty much any other term you're upset about) is unofficially bestowed by the majority (i.e. the public). It is a matter of perception. The majority of people if asked, will likely not consider neither Beyonce Knowles or Nirvana to be novelty acts. Therefore they are not. The majority of people if asked, will likely consider Carly Rae Jepsen and Silento to be novelty acts. Therefore they are. It really (x10) is that simple. I never called Beyonce a one hit wonder or a flash in the pan. But all of her songs with any real legacy are gimmicky to some extent. I still will not tolerate anyone calling CRJ a one hit wonder. Her followup single went 2x platinum in America. So perceive that.
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Post by Glove Slap on Oct 9, 2015 20:29:21 GMT -5
The butthurt is real in this thread. Moving this discussion from a Logic 101 class into reality, the term "novelty" (or 'gimmicky', or 'one hit wonder', or 'flash in the pan', or 'has been' and pretty much any other term you're upset about) is unofficially bestowed by the majority (i.e. the public). It is a matter of perception. The majority of people if asked, will likely not consider neither Beyonce Knowles or Nirvana to be novelty acts. Therefore they are not. The majority of people if asked, will likely consider Carly Rae Jepsen and Silento to be novelty acts. Therefore they are. It really (x10) is that simple. I never called Beyonce a one hit wonder or a flash in the pan. But all of her songs with any real legacy are gimmicky to some extent. I still will not tolerate anyone calling CRJ a one hit wonder. Her followup single went 2x platinum in America. So perceive that. Beyonce may have had hits around gimmicks, phrases, or dances true, but the legacy of her songs are tied to her because she is so well known and has sustained her career very well. She is not a 'novelty act' in totality by any means. Her reputation and continued success actually legitimizes them more in the long run then they would have been otherwise. This is also nowhere near the first time this has happened. Would Material Girl and Like A Virgin be as iconic if they weren't tied to Madonna? Probably not. Would I Wanna Dance With Somebody be seen as something other than another cheesy 80s bubble-gummy pop track if Whitney Houston hasn't had it? Most likely not. Would Oops I Did It Again be remembered in any way if it wasn't connected to the Britney Spears phenomenon? Most likely not. You don't even need to look to a past generation to still see it happening. Would You Belong With Me still get mentioned if Taylor Swift hadn't continued her success? Would Umbrella be placed as high as it is if Rihanna hadn't remained a big hitmaker for years past it? When you sustain your hitmaking power, you build a notable catalog. A catalog is different than a hit or two, it's a record for the public. That's why for many big acts that kept finding success, there is no real 'one' song from them because the perception of that artist is built from the catalog. Your 'tolerance', as well as anyone else's in singularity, is completely worthless. The media is a mass conscious entity. Through that, CRJ is considered as a one hit wonder, simple as that. Until the perception changes there, that'll be it.
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Post by redrooster on Oct 9, 2015 20:42:11 GMT -5
I never called Beyonce a one hit wonder or a flash in the pan. But all of her songs with any real legacy are gimmicky to some extent. I still will not tolerate anyone calling CRJ a one hit wonder. Her followup single went 2x platinum in America. So perceive that. Beyonce may have had hits around gimmicks, phrases, or dances true, but the legacy of her songs are tied to her because she is so well known and has sustained her career very well. She is not a 'novelty act' in totality by any means. Her reputation and continued success actually legitimizes them more in the long run then they would have been otherwise. This is also nowhere near the first time this has happened. Would Material Girl and Like A Virgin be as iconic if they weren't tied to Madonna? Probably not. Would I Wanna Dance With Somebody be seen as something other than another cheesy 80s bubble-gummy pop track if Whitney Houston hasn't had it? Most likely not. Would Oops I Did It Again be remembered in any way if it wasn't connected to the Britney Spears phenomenon? Most likely not. You don't even need to look to a past generation to still see it happening. Would You Belong With Me still get mentioned if Taylor Swift hadn't continued her success? Would Umbrella be placed as high as it is if Rihanna hadn't remained a big hitmaker for years past it? When you sustain your hitmaking power, you build a notable catalog. A catalog is different than a hit or two, it's a record for the public. That's why for many big acts that kept finding success, there is no real 'one' song from them because the perception of that artist is built from the catalog. Your 'tolerance', as well as anyone else's in singularity, is completely worthless. The media is a mass conscious entity. Through that, CRJ is considered as a one hit wonder, simple as that. Until the perception changes there, that'll be it. That's not true. Plenty of artists who were huge in their primes (with a boatload of hits to boot) are seen as novelty acts now. Think Rick Springfield, Rick Astley or Survivor. And nothing you say can change the fact that Carly had followup singles that are/were legitimate hits.
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Post by Glove Slap on Oct 9, 2015 21:05:36 GMT -5
That's not true. Plenty of artists who were huge in their primes (with a boatload of hits to boot) are seen as novelty acts now. Think Rick Springfield, Rick Astley or Survivor. Rick Springfield and Survivor aren't seen as novelty acts. Outdated yes, but that's different. Rick Astley was a SAW act, which had a branding of its own (his hit catalog was also nowhere near as big or nearly over as long a period of time as the acts I mentioned), and the only person to overcome that was Kylie Minogue. And nothing you say can change the fact that Carly had followup singles that are/were legitimate hits. But where did I say this? All I said was that she is considered a one hit wonder, and as it is a perceptive title as far as the label goes, she is considered one by the general public.
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Post by redrooster on Oct 9, 2015 22:30:54 GMT -5
That's not true. Plenty of artists who were huge in their primes (with a boatload of hits to boot) are seen as novelty acts now. Think Rick Springfield, Rick Astley or Survivor. Rick Springfield and Survivor aren't seen as novelty acts. Outdated yes, but that's different. Rick Astley was a SAW act, which had a branding of its own (his hit catalog was also nowhere near as big or nearly over as long a period of time as the acts I mentioned), and the only person to overcome that was Kylie Minogue. And nothing you say can change the fact that Carly had followup singles that are/were legitimate hits. But where did I say this? All I said was that she is considered a one hit wonder, and as it is a perceptive title as far as the label goes, she is considered one by the general public. I have seen SEVERAL people call Springfield and Survivor one hit wonders. Not on here, but it's out there. As for Carly, the general public would be dead wrong in that case. What's a SAW act btw?
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Post by lyhom on Oct 9, 2015 22:47:07 GMT -5
As for Carly, the general public would be dead wrong in that case. that's not the point, though. she still only really has one song "known" to the general public, and some people consider that enough to call her a one hit wonder. someone who's songs were generally produced by stock aitken waterman.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Oct 9, 2015 23:08:25 GMT -5
So the argument now is that Beyonce is a novelty act while everybody and their mother's dog should know about Carly Rae Jepsen having more than one hit?
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Post by The Upper Hand on Oct 9, 2015 23:19:08 GMT -5
I think what was meant with the Kelly Clarkson is that they don't sound the same but they're the same kind of basic and they're almost all beneath her. She actually reminds me of a friend's older sister who is also a soccer mom trying to be cool and hip when she clearly lost touch with whatever is 'in' 15 years ago but she still plays by her own rules - ones that are just not as cool or good as she thinks they are. Get "with it" Kelly! Whatever "it" is!
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Post by mkarns on Oct 9, 2015 23:51:29 GMT -5
Your 'tolerance', as well as anyone else's in singularity, is completely worthless. The media is a mass conscious entity. Through that, CRJ is considered as a one hit wonder, simple as that. Until the perception changes there, that'll be it. That's not true. Plenty of artists who were huge in their primes (with a boatload of hits to boot) are seen as novelty acts now. Think Rick Springfield, Rick Astley or Survivor. And nothing you say can change the fact that Carly had followup singles that are/were legitimate hits. None of these 80s hitmakers can, or ever could, really be seen as a novelty act (though Survivor probably are known to many as "the Rocky band".) All had a number of hits, none of which was really novelty-oriented in its content (I don't consider film soundtrack hits to be novelties unless they were really weird or unusual sounding or meant as such.) While radio stations 25 or 30 years later might overplay one song and short-shrift the rest, that doesn't make them novelty artists or one-hit wonders. The only novelty-ish thing about Rick Astley that I can think of is the "Rickroll" internet gimmick/meme, and that was 20 years after the song was a hit. He certainly wasn't viewed that way originally.
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