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Post by Glove Slap on Aug 26, 2015 10:33:39 GMT -5
A-List is more synonymous with a very high profile or fame, along with some kind of record or notoriety. Kanye fits that bill. The Weeknd doesn't quite yet. Comparing this to even 2 years ago when at first glance the act with the smallest profile was probably Bruno Mars, this is beyond a plummet.
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Post by allow that on Aug 26, 2015 10:48:42 GMT -5
I can't wait for the audience shots this year. It'll be like that except with mere common folk this time.
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Post by 14887fan on Aug 26, 2015 11:35:00 GMT -5
The audience shots are, hands down, the best part of the VMAs.
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Post by when the pawn... on Aug 26, 2015 11:41:08 GMT -5
2009, 2010, 2011 and 2013 were great. This is certainly an off year.
It's not ALL bad though. The Weeknd, Justin Bieber and Nicki Minaj will be worth watching. I like "Cool For The Summer" so I'm looking forward to seeing Demi Levato's performance. Who knows, maybe Tori Kelly will have a breakthrough moment. I'm most confused by Twenty-One Pilots, surprised it isn't A$AP with Selena, though I'm not disappointed by her absence. I really, really hope Kanye West is performing and has something good planned - his TV performances are mostly either huge hits or huge misses.
Would have liked to see Kendrick Lamar get a performance, maybe even with an NWA tie-in, given the movie and his presence on the Compton soundtrack. Taylor is obviously missing from the lineup - reminiscent of Gaga not performing the year "Bad Romance" swept. Janet Jackson & J Cole would have been a nice surprise.
Curious to see how Miley Cyrus uses her time as host.
I am ALL for non-divas taking up stage time and killing it. But looking at the VMAs of the last 5-10 years, Chris Brown (07), Kanye West (10) and Justin Timberlake (13) are the only memorable male performances coming to mind. Lady Gaga (09, 11), Beyonce (09, 11, 14), Britney Spears (07 for better or for worse), Miley Cyrus (13), Adele (11), Pink (09), Taylor Swift (09, 12) and even Nicki Minaj (14 - near-wardrobe malfunction) have delivered the talked-about performances. Here's hoping next year includes Beyonce, Lady Gaga, new Taylor Swift, Rihanna, etc.
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Post by kanimal on Aug 26, 2015 11:57:46 GMT -5
MTV has long had a hard-on for twenty one pilots. They also played last year's MTV Movie Awards. I don't know that I'm sold on them being VMAs performers, but coming off that really strong album sales week in 2015, they make at least as much sense as Young the freaking Giant did a few years back.
Tori Kelly may be the most reliable live singer in the mainstream music. With no Adele or Beyonce (or anyone in that vein) to spotlight this year, she makes sense Plus, I wouldn't be surprised if she, given Scooter, was a package deal in exchange for Bieber.
Taylor Swift has been seemingly adhering to a "I don't play for free" deal, so her performing at this year's VMA would be a surprise (rather than vice versa).
Don't get me wrong - I'm not thrilled with this line-up and don't see how it will boost ratings if last year's Beyonce show couldn't even get the job done - but this is largely what you'd expect*. Katy and Gaga being sidelined and Adele & Rihanna being late with their stuff really put a low ceiling on this year's lineup.
*Only names I'm surprised to see omitted would be Drake (or) Kendrick and One Direction. But neither would suddenly make this a colossal show in my opinion.
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Post by Mack on Aug 26, 2015 12:58:26 GMT -5
What a terrible lineup. I mean, relegating Nick Jonas to the pre-show while booking acts like Twenty One Pilots and Tori Kelly for the main event? What even? I like Bieber, Nicki, and Demi, but it's tragic that they're the big names this year. Where's Taylor? Ariana? One Direction? Ed fucking Sheeran? Hell, even Rita Ora and Chris Brown would be a welcome addition.
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Post by DJ General on Aug 26, 2015 13:33:45 GMT -5
The only reason Tori is performing on the main show is because she is doing the song with Ed Sheeran which is her next single.
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Post by Glove Slap on Aug 26, 2015 14:29:05 GMT -5
Is that even confirmed (not the single, what she will be peforming? And even if it is, it makes no sense to announce her and not him.
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Post by Enigma. on Aug 26, 2015 14:29:23 GMT -5
That could be it..
Hell, Sheeran could feature on ALL performances lol
He starts his tour on 3rd so I'm 95% sure he'll attend.
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Post by Dylan :) on Aug 26, 2015 14:39:04 GMT -5
I'm happy Tori and Demi are there. If only Selena could have shown up </3 I hope they use mashups for when they call out the nominees again this year. I loved last years ones.
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Post by felipe on Aug 26, 2015 14:41:29 GMT -5
Maybe "A list" isn't the exact wording that they mean to use. I think they mean the SHOWSTOPPERS. The artist that people are excited to see what they are gonna serve and will have people talking for weeks after the fact. None of these artists are known for putting on an amazing performance that is remembered. We need the Gagas of the world at this show!! Even showstopper is a somewhat subjective term. Gaga has performed at the VMAs 3 times, but I guess most people would say only the first was truly memorable. Does Rihanna put out showstopping performances? Or Bruno Mars? Edit: I took a look at 2012's line-up, which had Pink, One Direction, Rihanna and lil Wayne, and I honestly don't remember any of those performances. I have to say I remember Alicia Keys' and Taylor Swift's though.
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Post by Enigma. on Aug 26, 2015 14:47:10 GMT -5
I found 2013 pretty dull myself, sure Gaga and Miley & Robin were there but apart from those I can only remember the brief comeback of NSync (and Gaga only because I'm a huge fan)
But I think almost anyone can deliver a memorable performance in one way or another. IT's more of question what they do.
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Post by when the pawn... on Aug 26, 2015 15:06:39 GMT -5
It seems like there are some lofty expectations based on slightly revisionist history. With the exception of 2000 (Britney Spears, Eminem, the guy from RATM, NSYNC) and 2009 (Taylor/Kanye-gate, Lady Gaga, Pink, Beyonce), I can't think of a year where there were several crazy-memorable moments. 2013 was unquestionably a solid year considering Miley/Robin's performance, JT's video vanguard/NSYNC reunion and genuinely good performances from Bruno Mars, Kanye West and even Macklemore and Gaga. Same for 2011 with Beyonce & Adele at the front, plus Bruno Mars's Amy Winehouse tribute, Gaga's in-character-stunt, Jay-Z/Kanye's surprise performance. 2003 for THE KISS and performances by Christina and Beyonce.
As for this year, we're only one major shocker from a *HUGE* night. Who knows if The Weeknd will kill it or of Bieber or Demi or Nicki has something crazy up their sleeve. Maybe Miley will perform as host. I won't write this year off as being an absolute flop even if the all-caps-marquee divas aren't going to perform.
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Post by Enigma. on Aug 26, 2015 15:08:11 GMT -5
Yea 2009 and 2011 are hard to beat
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Aug 26, 2015 16:17:45 GMT -5
Yea but if we are talking about entertainment, the performances are only one aspect. Show stoppers such as Paparazzi in 2009, Someone Like You in 2011 and Beyoncรฉ's 15 minute medley bliss just don't happen every year. They used to. I suppose when the bar is lowered as it has been, what can ya do.
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Post by cause_for_celebration on Aug 26, 2015 18:00:23 GMT -5
What a disappointing line-up! :(
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2015 19:08:10 GMT -5
I remain convinced Nick purposely angled for that pre-show spot because he figured he'd catch most of the viewers who are tuning in to see Taylor's video premiere. That alone might be a more reliable audience draw than the actual lineup. Adding Nick to said lineup would not have improved it much, if at all, so even people thinking he got the shaft benefits him more than being on the main show. Tori will sing everyone under the table and not see the right side of the top 50 on iTunes when it is over; preparing my saltbox in advance. Demi will probably be good. But there's no one that I feel excited to see, or who gives me the idea that they're going to do anything different and attention grabbing. You can get away with not having a showstopping moment if you have a list of people who in and of themselves are the 'showstoppers,' but this set of people doesn't really have that. So now the show is almost entirely reliant on someone doing something surprising and buzzworthy. That's why there tends to be a little bit of revisionist history about it. Previous shows either had solid lineups that people would have been naturally psyched to see perform at the time, or something happened during the show that warranted discussion afterward. And if we were really lucky we got both of those things. It's not good that the 2015 edition gives the impression that it will have neither; I don't really see that watercooler 'oh my God, did you SEE that?!' moment happening with any of these performers. But it's possible Miley's hosting in and of itself will be the 'excitement' we're looking for. I wouldn't be surprised if the fact that Miley is hosting has a lot to do with artists turning down the show. That would be interesting, but Miley isn't that widely disliked in the industry is she? Certainly not so much that people would give up this level of promo just because she gets to be the ringleader of it. She's not a comedienne so I don't expect her to be cracking jokes on people like Chris Rock or Chelsea Handler would do.
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Post by DJ General on Aug 26, 2015 20:32:09 GMT -5
People are nuts. Lol Nick did not ask for a pre-show slot to get more viewers from a Taylor Swift premiere. He had no idea she was going to premiere her video during this, and the pre-show is not going to just rocket up millions of views for TS premiere. Like with any youtube premiere, it will probably leak an hour or two before it actually "premieres" on TV anwyays. Most people are not going to sit through a live preshow just for taylor. They will watch a stream online if they are that desperate.
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Post by felipe on Aug 26, 2015 21:02:24 GMT -5
Nick might not even be able to perform his full song on the pre-show. Fifth Harmony and Charli XCX didn't perform full songs last year.
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Post by wjr15 on Aug 26, 2015 21:17:59 GMT -5
Levels is already a short song so I can see him performing the entire song
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A full performance may not even be necessary. A little bit of extra exposure there and from the video coming out that day will help the song.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2015 0:37:45 GMT -5
People are nuts. Lol Nick did not ask for a pre-show slot to get more viewers from a Taylor Swift premiere. He had no idea she was going to premiere her video during this, and the pre-show is not going to just rocket up millions of views for TS premiere. Like with any youtube premiere, it will probably leak an hour or two before it actually "premieres" on TV anwyays. Most people are not going to sit through a live preshow just for taylor. They will watch a stream online if they are that desperate. Hey, that theory is no more nuts than the fact that Nick got stuck with a pre-show slot while Tori Kelly and 21 Pilots get to hit the main stage. It's speculation either way but who is to say what he did or didn't know? At the very least, the video premiere makes the pre-show feel less like a "pre" show and more like something worth tuning in a little early to see on its own, meaning it's not a huge snub to be stuck being the one guy performing there. The show has the same issue the pre-show does - there's no motivation to sit through it live if you really only want to see one or two people. MTV is going to air it a gazillion times for the next month and all of the performances will be on YT within minutes of them happening. I've had more fun in past years following the VMA thread on Pulse than watching the actual show...but that probably says more about the show than Pulse. Re: the short length of Nick's song. I didn't think about that before but I wonder if that is actually the reason, or at least part of the reason, he got the pre-show slot. He'd be the only person who could fit his song into a short allotment for time without having to cut any part of it.
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Post by Enigma. on Aug 27, 2015 1:02:37 GMT -5
Now that Biebs has been officially announced, I'm sure he is able to do that showstopper people are demanding for (shame he's not a female artist )
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Post by allow that on Aug 27, 2015 9:06:08 GMT -5
My best Nick/pre-show theory is that he was probably one of the first to commit. Under usual circumstances, he'd not be big enough for the main stage just yet (only one smash and one other hit to his name so far, though "Levels" will prob change that). He probably jumped at the chance assuming the stars would line the stage later rather than a few nobodies and B-level stars.
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Post by when the pawn... on Aug 27, 2015 11:40:26 GMT -5
I remain convinced Nick purposely angled for that pre-show spot because he figured he'd catch most of the viewers who are tuning in to see Taylor's video premiere. That alone might be a more reliable audience draw than the actual lineup. Adding Nick to said lineup would not have improved it much, if at all, so even people thinking he got the shaft benefits him more than being on the main show. Tori will sing everyone under the table and not see the right side of the top 50 on iTunes when it is over; preparing my saltbox in advance. Demi will probably be good. But there's no one that I feel excited to see, or who gives me the idea that they're going to do anything different and attention grabbing. You can get away with not having a showstopping moment if you have a list of people who in and of themselves are the 'showstoppers,' but this set of people doesn't really have that. So now the show is almost entirely reliant on someone doing something surprising and buzzworthy. That's why there tends to be a little bit of revisionist history about it. Previous shows either had solid lineups that people would have been naturally psyched to see perform at the time, or something happened during the show that warranted discussion afterward. And if we were really lucky we got both of those things. It's not good that the 2015 edition gives the impression that it will have neither; I don't really see that watercooler 'oh my God, did you SEE that?!' moment happening with any of these performers. But it's possible Miley's hosting in and of itself will be the 'excitement' we're looking for. I wouldn't be surprised if the fact that Miley is hosting has a lot to do with artists turning down the show. That would be interesting, but Miley isn't that widely disliked in the industry is she? Certainly not so much that people would give up this level of promo just because she gets to be the ringleader of it. She's not a comedienne so I don't expect her to be cracking jokes on people like Chris Rock or Chelsea Handler would do. This note was more in reference to people saying they weren't impressed by the '13 show or the '11 show or the '10 show (etc.) relative to older editions.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2015 12:02:19 GMT -5
when the pawn... gotcha. I'll admit having bias myself toward the older shows (where 'older' = 2005 and earlier; after that I usually have to cheat and look at Wiki just to remember what the lineup was for any given year); but even those years you named probably weren't bad ones. This year sticks out maybe not so much because the lineup is 'bad' but because it really underscores how uneventful 2015 music has been so far. When I think of the early 2000s for example, there was just so much going on it was almost impossible for the VMAs to fail.
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Post by Wrecking Ball on Aug 27, 2015 16:25:27 GMT -5
Seth Rogen wrote Miley's material for the VMAs
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Post by moore746 on Aug 27, 2015 16:57:46 GMT -5
Supposedly Britney will be in attendance.
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Post by Waveyโจ๏ธ on Aug 27, 2015 17:43:59 GMT -5
Nicki is opening up the VMA's.
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Post by XXX. on Aug 27, 2015 17:47:52 GMT -5
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