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Post by Linnethia Monique on Nov 9, 2015 21:33:54 GMT -5
I sense another "Bang Bang" situation happening. Take 2 artists that are rising and have radio clout and add in another that is either an under-performer or just non-existent in the public eye to help catapult them with, what should be on paper, a guaranteed hit.
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Post by Kurt on Nov 9, 2015 21:45:37 GMT -5
Come to think of it, did Hagood and Trainor know each other by both being in Nashville a few years ago? The Ariana connection makes sense considering Scooter Braun, but Meghan's is a little less obvious aside from them both being Nashville songwriters and him opening for her (or did those all get canceled? still) this summer. I wonder how close their songwriting circles were. (Trainor has written with people like Rascal Flatts and Hunter Hayes, while Hagood has some for Lucie Silvas, Chase Rice, etc.) Anyway, here's the single artwork:
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Post by maine on Nov 9, 2015 21:46:44 GMT -5
Hmmm the artwork makes me feel like Trainor and Ariana are not involved on this.
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Post by Kurt on Nov 9, 2015 21:55:46 GMT -5
omg people actually guessed Frankie Grande. BYE
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Post by Dylan :) on Nov 10, 2015 18:00:37 GMT -5
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Post by hitmakaontharise on Nov 10, 2015 19:41:36 GMT -5
when is this getting released
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Post by jdanton2 on Nov 11, 2015 11:30:58 GMT -5
Meghan now confirmed. big fan of her as well as Ariana so i am excited for this.
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Post by getonthebus on Nov 11, 2015 11:45:29 GMT -5
Cute covers, I guess. This vibe certainly isn't helping the perception that his flamboyance is a put-on for attention, though...
Edit to clarify: If he is comfortable and expresses himself as a flamboyant LGBT artist, that is awesome and we need more honest performers. BUT, I think his management and label are doing him a service by turning into schtick, or something akin to Katy Perry putting on the cupcake bra.
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Post by jdanton2 on Nov 11, 2015 12:49:21 GMT -5
coming November 23rd which is a Monday.
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Post by Dylan :) on Nov 11, 2015 12:57:17 GMT -5
Performance on the AMAs maybe?
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Post by maine on Nov 11, 2015 13:03:46 GMT -5
Performance on the AMAs maybe? Doubt it. That would mean Meghan is performing 3 separate times.
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Post by Dylan :) on Nov 11, 2015 13:13:05 GMT -5
Performance on the AMAs maybe? Doubt it. That would mean Meghan is performing 3 separate times. Ariana performed four times last year.
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Post by maine on Nov 11, 2015 13:13:45 GMT -5
Doubt it. That would mean Meghan is performing 3 separate times. Ariana performed four times last year. She did??? "Bang Bang", "Problem", then what?
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Post by Dylan :) on Nov 11, 2015 13:14:32 GMT -5
Ariana performed four times last year. She did??? "Bang Bang", "Problem", then what? Break Free and Love Me Harder. Charli performed Fancy, Break The Rules and Boom Clap
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Post by maine on Nov 11, 2015 13:16:41 GMT -5
She did??? "Bang Bang", "Problem", then what? Break Free and Love Me Harder. Charli performed Fancy, Break The Rules and Boom Clap No, that's not what I meant. Artist perform medleys at award shows all the time. I'm saying that Meghan already has two separate performances tapped with "Like I'm Gonna Lose You" and "Marvin Gaye" (though she might end up dueting "Like I'm Gonna Lose You" with Charlie to combine the performances). This would definitely be a separate performance at a different time of the show if it were to be performed, which I highly doubt.
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Post by jjose712 on Nov 11, 2015 13:42:24 GMT -5
Cute covers, I guess. This vibe certainly isn't helping the perception that his flamboyance is a put-on for attention, though... Edit to clarify: If he is comfortable and expresses himself as a flamboyant LGBT artist, that is awesome and we need more honest performers. BUT, I think his management and label are doing him a service by turning into schtick, or something akin to Katy Perry putting on the cupcake bra. I think the flamboyance was only a problem because the previous strategy, it was a bit like playing first the who i am game and them releasing the truth in pink fluorescent lights. I was a little too much. But singing with two divas the flamboyance probably will fit perfectly. Both Ariana and Meghan had a high rate of hit songs lately, so hopefuly it will work for him. He has exactly the same adavantage Meghan had back in the day, he is a songwriter so even if he fails he will be in the business and can try again later.
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Post by Dylan :) on Nov 11, 2015 15:11:48 GMT -5
When is the last time a song with a guy singing about liking guys with male pronouns did anything significant on pop?
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Post by jjose712 on Nov 11, 2015 15:42:59 GMT -5
When is the last time a song with a guy singing about liking guys with male pronouns did anything significant on pop? Let me think... never. I remember Adam Lambert making some test for Fever and radio response was bad because he used the pronoum he (and that was very far from being front and center). The only case that i remember of a song charting when a male singer used male pronoums was only a month ago with Hold each other (half of the song) Anyway, things are changing. The number of openly gay singers who made the chart in recent years is considerably higher than in previous decades. Of course the only one who reached top 10 on pop was Sam Smith, which is maybe an indication that you can make the chart now being openly gay but having a hit is not that easy
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Post by jdanton2 on Nov 11, 2015 15:56:55 GMT -5
When is the last time a song with a guy singing about liking guys with male pronouns did anything significant on pop? this is a bit of him singing it . has kind of a Doo wop feel that Meghan and Ariana have done before.looking forward to this. http://instagram.com/p/8b9XdLpvLM
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Post by Dylan :) on Nov 11, 2015 16:22:47 GMT -5
Just based off that video, Ariana and Meghan are going to need significant roles in this (like Nicki and Ariana in Bang Bang) for it to do much, and even then I can still see this kind of struggling. I know generalizations of gay and straight men were recently discussed in the Hot 100 thread so I won't bring it up again here. Also, I just realised he is keeping the name "Who Is Fancy" instead of just dropping the "Who Is" since we now know
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Post by jdanton2 on Nov 12, 2015 5:51:16 GMT -5
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Nov 12, 2015 7:20:51 GMT -5
Not surprised ABC doesn't want gay dancers. The demo for DWTS would go apeshit. But I'm also not ok with using gay dancers as a gimmick. Saying that they want it because it would "look awesome". This OTT gay schtick is fake af label driven BS to generate controversy
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2015 10:22:15 GMT -5
The more I read about this guy the more I don't like him.
The whole mystery man thing was pretty interesting for a while (the Justin Bieber conspiracy theories were hilarious), but since figuratively "coming out" it's like his platform became more about being gay and less about the music. Not that the music is particularly good, so I can see why they'd want a new angle. Maybe it is just media spin independent of him, but suddenly he's being toted as the revolutionary new face of gay as if Adam Lambert and Sam Smith aren't a thing. It's one thing to be open about your sexuality (good), but it's another to trivialize it as a schtick to sell records (bad).
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Post by AP on Nov 12, 2015 10:30:04 GMT -5
I don't get what's so wrong about that statement - wouldn't it LOOK awesome to see a same-sex couple mixed in with the other dancers like its no big deal vs. the heteronormative boy/girl combo? Especially when the man is already singing a song about dating boys.
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Post by getonthebus on Nov 12, 2015 10:44:46 GMT -5
The more I read about this guy the more I don't like him. The whole mystery man thing was pretty interesting for a while (the Justin Bieber conspiracy theories were hilarious), but since figuratively "coming out" it's like his platform became more about being gay and less about the music. Not that the music is particularly good, so I can see why they'd want a new angle. Maybe it is just media spin independent of him, but suddenly he's being toted as the revolutionary new face of gay as if Adam Lambert and Sam Smith aren't a thing. It's one thing to be open about your sexuality (good), but it's another to trivialize it as a schtick to sell records (bad). Tell em! Clearly image over music going on here, and using his gay identity to sell controversy. smdh it's 2015. Be gay, release good music, don't try and act like some wrestling villain from the 80s for attention.
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Nov 12, 2015 10:48:59 GMT -5
I don't get what's so wrong about that statement - wouldn't it LOOK awesome to see a same-sex couple mixed in with the other dancers like its no big deal vs. the heteronormative boy/girl combo? Especially when the man is already singing a song about dating boys. No, it's not undermining heteronormativity to use same sex couples as a prop.
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Post by jjose712 on Nov 12, 2015 10:50:58 GMT -5
The more I read about this guy the more I don't like him. The whole mystery man thing was pretty interesting for a while (the Justin Bieber conspiracy theories were hilarious), but since figuratively "coming out" it's like his platform became more about being gay and less about the music. Not that the music is particularly good, so I can see why they'd want a new angle. Maybe it is just media spin independent of him, but suddenly he's being toted as the revolutionary new face of gay as if Adam Lambert and Sam Smith aren't a thing. It's one thing to be open about your sexuality (good), but it's another to trivialize it as a schtick to sell records (bad). I won't judge him so fast. Generally singers (specially newbies) have very little control in the way the label promote them. And using another gay singer as example, everytime the media talks about Steve Grand the whole gay country music singer appears again, when he repeated again and again that he is not a country music singer (but has some country music influences). If the media labels him as "the gay singer" he will be that at least for a while. Anyway, given the rate openly gay singers are hitting the charts lately, i don't think that kind of labels will stick much longer. The more usual it gets (and it will be) the less effort the media will put on that. I think Goodbye was way above the average of pop songs on the chart, but unfortunately it didn't work for him due to the way it was released. And the worst part is that it doesn't even make the word at hit of its size usually do, to put a face on a song, so he basically starts from zero again
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2015 10:56:58 GMT -5
The more I read about this guy the more I don't like him. The whole mystery man thing was pretty interesting for a while (the Justin Bieber conspiracy theories were hilarious), but since figuratively "coming out" it's like his platform became more about being gay and less about the music. Not that the music is particularly good, so I can see why they'd want a new angle. Maybe it is just media spin independent of him, but suddenly he's being toted as the revolutionary new face of gay as if Adam Lambert and Sam Smith aren't a thing. It's one thing to be open about your sexuality (good), but it's another to trivialize it as a schtick to sell records (bad). I won't judge him so fast. Generally singers (specially newbies) have very little control in the way the label promote them. And using another gay singer as example, everytime the media talks about Steve Grand the whole gay country music singer appears again, when he repeated again and again that he is not a country music singer (but has some country music influences). If the media labels him as "the gay singer" he will be that at least for a while. Anyway, given the rate openly gay singers are hitting the charts lately, i don't think that kind of labels will stick much longer. The more usual it gets (and it will be) the less effort the media will put on that. I think Goodbye was way above the average of pop songs on the chart, but unfortunately it didn't work for him due to the way it was released. And the worst part is that it doesn't even make the word at hit of its size usually do, to put a face on a song, so he basically starts from zero again Oh yeah no, I fully recognize that this could be more Scooter Braun (or just the media in general) than him. I'm not really pointing a finger at anyone per se, just saying the practice itself is bullshit.
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Post by Gray. on Nov 12, 2015 13:25:02 GMT -5
Soooo I've gone back and refreshed myself on his debut. I agree with everyone saying it was mishandled. The ~intrigue~ of who he could be just wasn't interesting without a hit song. So they cut their losses and revealed him in an underwhelming way that had a cringe-worthy glitter moment at the end.
All of the questions of the "authenticity" of his flamboyance, though, make me a little uncomfortable. I agree he seems annoying and a little try-hard, but maybe this really is him? Idk. I'm all for a gay being actually gay on a public platform. We don't all have to be masc4masc.
ETA: We have *two* examples of successful, openly gay pop singers right now. Adam Lambert & Sam Smith. And it's not like Adam's pop career has been anywhere near perfect. I don't think we should be complaining about having too many when we literally have a single-digit number of examples.
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Post by getonthebus on Nov 12, 2015 14:07:11 GMT -5
Soooo I've gone back and refreshed myself on his debut. I agree with everyone saying it was mishandled. The ~intrigue~ of who he could be just wasn't interesting without a hit song. So they cut their losses and revealed him in an underwhelming way that had a cringe-worthy glitter moment at the end. All of the questions of the "authenticity" of his flamboyance, though, make me a little uncomfortable. I agree he seems annoying and a little try-hard, but maybe this really is him? Idk. I'm all for a gay being actually gay on a public platform. We don't all have to be masc4masc. ETA: We have *two* examples of successful, openly gay pop singers right now. Adam Lambert & Sam Smith. And it's not like Adam's pop career has been anywhere near perfect. I don't think we should be complaining about having too many when we literally have a single-digit number of examples. I haven't seen anyone complain that there are too many. The main complaint is aimed at the label/his management for the way he's been rolled out is essentially "Please welcome, A Gay Singer!" like he's the bearded lady at the circus. Hiding him the way they did was very "we don't think you'll play him if you see him" and ended up being pointless. I just don't see what the narrative was supposed to be post-reveal otherwise. I'll wait to hear more of his stuff, because I'm interested to see songs through his lens, but I can't help compare to another out, loud, and proud act, Scissor Sisters. They never hit CHR success here, but I think they really channeled what they're trying to go for with Who Is Fancy and missing.
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