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Post by allow that on Nov 26, 2015 10:01:55 GMT -5
This song is basic as hell. Basic disguised in a plus-size metallic shawl that looks straight out of last week's dirty laundry basket. Can radio just let Troye be the token guy to sing about kissing guys instead? That would be preferable.
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Post by jjose712 on Nov 26, 2015 10:58:07 GMT -5
This song is basic as hell. Basic disguised in a plus-size metallic shawl that looks straight out of last week's dirty laundry basket. Can radio just let Troye be the token guy to sing about kissing guys instead? That would be preferable. Troye is much more than a token. He is really a good singer (Sam Smith and Adele love him), and Happy little pill is way above anything a teenager has release in recent years. If he decides go mainstream (i think he only needs to go the more usual route and being promoted the usual way) i think he could do some damage on the charts
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Post by allow that on Nov 26, 2015 11:13:53 GMT -5
Basic disguised in a plus-size metallic shawl that looks straight out of last week's dirty laundry basket. Can radio just let Troye be the token guy to sing about kissing guys instead? That would be preferable. Troye is much more than a token. He is really a good singer (Sam Smith and Adele love him), and Happy little pill is way above anything a teenager has release in recent years. If he decides go mainstream (i think he only needs to go the more usual route and being promoted the usual way) i think he could do some damage on the charts Of course Troye is more than a token, but that's not really the point. We're talking about radio here; it's a business and very little thought (if any) is given to artistic depth. But if this basic Fancy heifer is getting an army of label support and a marketing push as the first "pop star" to openly sing about kissing boys on the radio, let it be Troye instead. He's doing it without the gimmicks AND with catchier music that's perfectly pop accessible. Also, a Sam Smith endorsement makes me run the other way at this point :yawn: Troye has Adele and Taylor rooting for him- that's a heavier endorsement than anything Sam's struggling sappy ass can give.
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Post by jjose712 on Nov 26, 2015 13:06:57 GMT -5
Troye is much more than a token. He is really a good singer (Sam Smith and Adele love him), and Happy little pill is way above anything a teenager has release in recent years. If he decides go mainstream (i think he only needs to go the more usual route and being promoted the usual way) i think he could do some damage on the charts Of course Troye is more than a token, but that's not really the point. We're talking about radio here; it's a business and very little thought (if any) is given to artistic depth. But if this basic Fancy heifer is getting an army of label support and a marketing push as the first "pop star" to openly sing about kissing boys on the radio, let it be Troye instead. He's doing it without the gimmicks AND with catchier music that's perfectly pop accessible. Also, a Sam Smith endorsement makes me run the other way at this point :yawn: Troye has Adele and Taylor rooting for him- that's a heavier endorsement than anything Sam's struggling sappy ass can give. I know you hate Sam, but Sam loved him first
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Post by The Upper Hand on Nov 26, 2015 14:36:46 GMT -5
I don't know but I'm perceiving some kind of prejudice against "non-heteronormative gays" in this whole thread... just saying.
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Post by Chelsea Press 2 on Nov 26, 2015 14:56:57 GMT -5
I don't know but I'm perceiving some kind of prejudice against "non-heteronormative gays" in this whole thread... just saying. I feel that Fancy's image feels so overly calculated and over the top that it doesn't feel sincere. Everyone has a shtick or a gimmick and even the lack of one is one because it is just that. It reinforces all those stereotypes that we have tried to break out of. It's really gross.
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Post by surfy on Nov 26, 2015 15:31:32 GMT -5
I don't know but I'm perceiving some kind of prejudice against "non-heteronormative gays" in this whole thread... just saying. Not at all, at least for me. I'm all for gender-bending, non-conformative styles of dress and style, but I am only hoping that it is authentic. An image like that doesn't bother me, but if he is using it for attention as a shtick, then that is pretty sad because it turns the LGBT community into a cartoon, and it isn't okay to sell out your people for profit. The most hate I've seen in here is on his fashion, which tbh is pretty tacky (for example that hideous shawl) but if that is how he really wants to dress, then he is free to do that. tl;dr I accept people of all types, but if they are being fake or using it as a gimmick, that's gross.
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Post by jjose712 on Nov 26, 2015 16:15:01 GMT -5
I don't know. Stage persona not necesarily fit out of stage persona. We have Adam Lambert as a perfect example, he has a very flamboyant and over the top stage persona and on interviews he is not that way at all, he is funny and smart but not over the top.
I know people here think he is exagerating his mannierism but as commercial strategy that makes no sense at all. I know it was five years ago, but Adam Lambert tested Fever on radio and it was rejected because it used a male pronoum at the beginning of the song. Being gay is not an advantage at all to have your songs played on radio. Now there's an increasing number of gay singers getting some airplay, but apart of Sam Smith i can only think on one top 10 hit by a gay singer (in this case half of a duo) Say Something.
And americans (or at least that's the perception that i have) have a lot more problems with non conforming gender behaviour than with sexual orientation itself, so a more masculine gay singer has more oportunities to get played than an effeminate one (in fact not being very masculine brings tons of rumours even if the actor/singer/celebrity is in fact straight).
So this whole flashy colored clothes and mannierisms are not an advantage at all in my opinion
The song is catchy, there's a lot of worse songs getting airplay, and of course it has two radio loved singers in it, so this at least should outpeak Goodbye easily
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Post by B****BetterGetNOSL333P on Nov 26, 2015 20:27:35 GMT -5
I love this song a lot, I bought the song on iTunes!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 20:43:58 GMT -5
I don't know but I'm perceiving some kind of prejudice against "non-heteronormative gays" in this whole thread... just saying. not even lowkey either, lol. Some of these comments aren't even clever or funny-- they read like a high school cyber bully's Facebook posts.
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Post by allow that on Nov 26, 2015 21:44:21 GMT -5
I don't know but I'm perceiving some kind of prejudice against "non-heteronormative gays" in this whole thread... just saying. not even lowkey either, lol. Some of these comments aren't even clever or funny-- they read like a high school cyber bully's Facebook posts. I don't see anyone trying to be funny, but this dude has upped his flamboyancy by tenfold since promoting his first (flop) single earlier this year. It's clearly all for the act to garner more attention than his last attempt, and I'm not cool with using a dated stereotype of what "gay" is as a marketing gimmick. All criticism that I've read here is fair enough.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 22:03:33 GMT -5
not even lowkey either, lol. Some of these comments aren't even clever or funny-- they read like a high school cyber bully's Facebook posts. I don't see anyone trying to be funny, but this dude has upped his flamboyancy by tenfold since promoting his first (flop) single earlier this year. It's clearly all for the act to garner more attention than his last attempt, and I'm not cool with using a dated stereotype of what "gay" is as a marketing gimmick. All criticism that I've read here is fair enough. I went into more detail some pages ago already about why I don't care for him, and I agree that he's being marketed as gay first, music second; but his image itself isn't the problem (well, for me) and that's what I see a lot of people harping on lately. Whether or not he's "a stereotype" (he's really not?) or otherwise isn't the problem either-- granted, straight people use their sexuality to sell s**t all the time so I guess this is no less superficial now that I think about it. Anyway, that aside he's a relatively new artist. I highly doubt it was his idea to exploit his own sexuality for profit. Idk. I just think calling him a heifer et al because he's flamboyant might be pushing it just a little.
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Post by Chelsea Press 2 on Nov 26, 2015 22:25:17 GMT -5
granted, straight people use their sexuality to sell s**t all the time so I guess this is no less superficial now that I think about it. Anyway, that aside he's a relatively new artist. I highly doubt it was his idea to exploit his own sexuality for profit anyway. But this is a case of sexuality being used in a negative manner to sell the music though. It all feels really calculated and planned and it doesn't feel natural at all. It's so over the top. His look and image say, "LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT HOW GAY I AM! I AM GLITTERY IN MY SWISHY SHAWL AND I BLOW GLITTER AT YOU! MWAH! I AM FLAMING AND YOU KNOW IT, HEY! LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME BITCH! I'M THE REAL DEAL. TOUCH THIS SKIN HUNTY."
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 22:36:21 GMT -5
granted, straight people use their sexuality to sell s**t all the time so I guess this is no less superficial now that I think about it. Anyway, that aside he's a relatively new artist. I highly doubt it was his idea to exploit his own sexuality for profit anyway. But this is a case of sexuality being used in a negative manner to sell the music though. It all feels really calculated and planned and it doesn't feel natural at all. It's so over the top. His look and image say, "LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT HOW GAY I AM! I AM GLITTERY IN MY SWISHY SHAWL AND I BLOW GLITTER AT YOU! MWAH! I AM FLAMING AND YOU KNOW IT, HEY! LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME BITCH! I'M THE REAL DEAL. TOUCH THIS SKIN HUNTY." What's negative about it? The part where he's open about his sexuality? It's not that the marketing is negative (...what?), it's that it marginalizes gay people to make a buck. Nothing is that "over the top" though. That's such a 1990s mindsets when everyone was scared to even look at flamboyant gay people. That wasn't the kind of gay people anyone wanted to see, even gay people, and even now (see: masc only tags on Grindr). Fact is some people are really like this, and we have plenty of "masc" representation in media, but none for the other sides of a very diverse community (side note: it is so hilarious to me when masc people get butt hurt because they feel like nobody acknowledges them even though they're the new standard). Like, name one. Adam Lambert? So when people are like "this image offends me"... what about it is offensive? Nobody thinks all gay people act like that anymore. It's 2015 for f**ks sake. Hell, even if the marketing is dubious, you'd also have to recognize that it'd be kind of cool if people were receptive to his image, it's just too bad his music is ass so no one is paying enough attention to formulate one.
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Post by Kurt on Nov 26, 2015 23:12:30 GMT -5
I don't think my personal input on this is necessary here beyond this, but I did want to point out this and his other comments about the song and himself on Genius, which make me believe his flamboyance existed before his record deal, so it's at least somewhat authentic. (Do I think it's within the realm of possibility that his label is pushing him to be openly flamboyant, perhaps to the point of going over the top, because it's different and would get attention? Sure.) As for the music: this is...fine, but I liked "Goodbye" much more. I'd like to know if he has any music that's closer to the country genre coming too, though; he has several cowrites with more traditionally country artists (Lucie Silvas, for example) and I can't imagine that he only did pop music while in Nashville for the past several years. One of the Genius annotations linked above says he rapped at shows too, but that's a prospect I don't want to think about.
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Post by skizzo on Nov 26, 2015 23:45:45 GMT -5
Doesn't Sam Smith omit masculine pronouns in his songs? I just think he chooses the words carefully, and I dont think I remember hearing one of his songs where (he/him/his) are the norm. I wont even mention song titles which is what people immediately associate with - songs like "Stay With Me" are neutral. "Boys Like You" certainly isn't.
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Post by jjose712 on Nov 27, 2015 10:52:26 GMT -5
Doesn't Sam Smith omit masculine pronouns in his songs? I just think he chooses the words carefully, and I dont think I remember hearing one of his songs where (he/him/his) are the norm. I wont even mention song titles which is what people immediately associate with - songs like "Stay With Me" are neutral. "Boys Like You" certainly isn't. If you want to be played on american radio yo better omit male pronoums or your songs won't be played in a good bunch of radio stations. This is not country and probably won't reach to levels of stupidity needed to pull a Girl crush controversy, but the truth is american radio is pretty conservative. Of course there's a good reason for gender neutral songs (and that's the reason a lot of straight singers are very fond of them too), it makes the song way more universal, it makes less important if the singer is a man or a woman, which makes people get more attached to a song on a personal level and makes increase the number of youtube versions of the song or the probabilities of a talent show constestant chosing your song for a performance. This is a funny song and has two divas on it, i doubt he'll go that route without them And i still can't see the advantage of being promoted as a flamboyant openly gay star, so in my opinion he is the way he is, period (of course every artist has his phases, just ask David Bowie)
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Post by allow that on Nov 27, 2015 13:05:09 GMT -5
So when people are like "this image offends me"... what about it is offensive? The image in itself is not what's offensive. It's how disingenuous and gimmicky it's coming across. It literally feels like he's using Damian from Mean Girls as his style guide to create a character. Where was all the glitter during the intricate and expensive (and failed) marketing roll out of "Goodbye"? His label attempted to create an image of "no image" for his first single. Who is he? Ohhh... he's just a heavyset dude with no Hollywood glitz or glamour who would blend in with any crowd. That didn't work so now he's trying again by playing up flamboyancy. It makes it all seem like an attention ploy and nothing more (and consequently, exploitation). Meanwhile, we have acts like Years & Years and Troye Sivan who openly incorporate aspects of gay culture into their respective music and images- and do so authentically. It's kind of disheartening to see them struggle (at least in the United States) while Fancy's exploitative "persona" and mediocre music continue to have the corporate machine's full backing thanks to connections.
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Post by jjose712 on Nov 27, 2015 13:57:39 GMT -5
So when people are like "this image offends me"... what about it is offensive? The image in itself is not what's offensive. It's how disingenuous and gimmicky it's coming across. It literally feels like he's using Damian from Mean Girls as his style guide to create a character. Where was all the glitter during the intricate and expensive (and failed) marketing roll out of "Goodbye"? His label attempted to create an image of "no image" for his first single. Who is he? Ohhh... he's just a heavyset dude with no Hollywood glitz or glamour who would blend in with any crowd. That didn't work so now he's trying again by playing up flamboyancy. It makes it all seem like an attention ploy and nothing more (and consequently, exploitation). Meanwhile, we have acts like Years & Years and Troye Sivan who openly incorporate aspects of gay culture into their respective music and images- and do so authentically. It's kind of disheartening to see them struggle (at least in the United States) while Fancy's exploitative "persona" and mediocre music continue to have the corporate machine's full backing thanks to connections. Well, in the case of Years and years, there are two things against them, first they are too british, there's a lot of successful great british groups that for some reason don't translate well to USA market, and second the release of King was really misleading by their label. They are doing well on UK, so it's time to move their asses to the USA, and if they can't boost their song singing on a tv show Sam Smith's style they should use Ed Sheeran's style instead. Concerts on colleges, small venues, let yourself known, try make some impact on other charts before release to pop. King is simply too good and catchy, and deserved way better. Troye's case is different, right now (like it happened with Steve Grand) he showed no interest in a mainstream conventional career. I think the moment he changes his mind he will be played on radio. It's true that he will need the right song, but he is very popular, his songs sell well on itunes even without conventional promo or him being in the USA. Maybe when he release his first full album he will try a more conventional aproach. Probably the thing Fancy has against is the fact that he is an average singer, while other openly gay singers are way above average he is just someone who can sing. Of course that's not a problem in most cases, half of the female stars are beyond average as vocalist. Anyway he is a songwriter, so he will survive, singing his songs or writing for other people
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2015 15:11:49 GMT -5
The image in itself is not what's offensive. It's how disingenuous and gimmicky it's coming across. It literally feels like he's using Damian from Mean Girls as his style guide to create a character. Where was all the glitter during the intricate and expensive (and failed) marketing roll out of "Goodbye"? This is literally from his very first performance...
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Post by Rocky on Nov 27, 2015 16:07:05 GMT -5
While I agree that it's unfair how Troye or Years & Years didn't have success with their singles in the US, I don't think there's a reason to be sooo bitter about it. I'm probably the biggest Troye fan on this forum and sad that his songs weren't promoted efficiently, but am not trying to trash other acts, who don't even have a hit yet. That's rude. The song will probably bomb anyway... As for the song, I like it. There's something about his tone that makes it pleasant to listen to it. It's not one of those songs that I would voluntarily play to death, but its sound fits the current general pop radio sound. Also, since I was expecting a total mess, I'm pleasantly surprised. That might be one of the causes of my positive opinion about it.
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Post by allow that on Nov 27, 2015 16:07:52 GMT -5
^ okay, so I stand corrected on when the gimmick began, but if that gif isn't gimmicky...
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Post by Gray. on Nov 27, 2015 16:12:50 GMT -5
I don't know but I'm perceiving some kind of prejudice against "non-heteronormative gays" in this whole thread... just saying. I tried to say this a couple pages ago but was told I was wrong because his flamboyance is essentially *~fake~*, as if any of us could know that. This song may be basic as hell, but his being a little extra gay in the public eye is no reason to dislike him.
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Post by surfy on Nov 27, 2015 17:24:46 GMT -5
I don't know but I'm perceiving some kind of prejudice against "non-heteronormative gays" in this whole thread... just saying. Not at all, at least for me. I'm all for gender-bending, non-conformative styles of dress and style, but I am only hoping that it is authentic. An image like that doesn't bother me, but if he is using it for attention as a shtick, then that is pretty sad because it turns the LGBT community into a cartoon, and it isn't okay to sell out your people for profit. The most hate I've seen in here is on his fashion, which tbh is pretty tacky (for example that hideous shawl) but if that is how he really wants to dress, then he is free to do that. tl;dr I accept people of all types, but if they are being fake or using it as a gimmick, that's gross. Btw this isn't me saying I know he is fake because I obviously don't, I'm just saying I hope he isn't doing that. Anyways, this song has grown on me a little, had it stuck in my head this morning!
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Post by Mack on Nov 28, 2015 12:43:26 GMT -5
The song might be basic as all hell, but I love it. It's so fun and breezy. And Meghan and Ariana's verses are ace, especially the latter's.
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Post by jdanton2 on Dec 1, 2015 18:35:20 GMT -5
can't believe this got no adds .
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Post by suttonplace on Dec 1, 2015 18:52:17 GMT -5
did they pull/change adds date? kinda odd to get nothing at all
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Post by maine on Dec 1, 2015 18:55:08 GMT -5
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Post by Kurt on Dec 1, 2015 19:10:33 GMT -5
Adds date moved to next week. According to whom? Republic Playbook still says "now," which is vague, but that's what it said before today too.
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Post by jdanton2 on Dec 1, 2015 19:13:11 GMT -5
Adds date moved to next week. All Access still has today listed.
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