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Post by onebuffalo on Sept 17, 2015 10:14:10 GMT -5
I remember one time we had a really great country band who, a while back, had some good material like "If I Die Young" and "Postcard From Paris". Anybody else...? Better Dig Two?
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Post by 14887fan on Sept 18, 2015 18:36:50 GMT -5
They're answering questions about the album on Twitter right now. There'll be 11 tracks on the standard release, and 14 on the deluxe. Worked with Jon Bellion, Benny Cassette, RedOne, Diplo, Jenna Andrews, and William Larsen, amongst others on this album. It's being released before the end of 2015. No specific date given yet. (Which makes me wonder exactly when...? All of October is absolutely stacked with Country releases, and November is getting stacked cautiously, as Adele is likely releasing this fall, in which case every act/artist not named Adele is running for cover.) Favorite lyrics from the album: -Kimberly: "Hey hey hey I forgive you. There's no room in this winner's heart to hate you."-Reid: "I believe in monsters under my bed."Along with that, Reid & Neil will be taking lead on some songs on the album, on the song he quoted from above. Album title: "_ _ _ _ _ + _ _ _ _". Fill in the blanks. Yellow will be a theme for the whole album.
Stupid question, but if the album could be "compared to any book, it'd be most comparable to 'Peter Pan'."
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Post by sabre14 on Sept 18, 2015 19:13:32 GMT -5
Well, first they are waiting to see how "Live Forever" performs at radio. The start was not good at all, considering The Band Perry's past success and the build-up for this single but luckily for them, this song has picked up the pace to a reasonable rate the past couple weeks. The past two days have seen a little bit of a slowdown as "Live Forever" has only increased 17 spins and 60k in audience; the overall average of audience gained the past three weeks has been about 170k-180k in audience a day. What's funny is that "Better Dig Two" at the 32 days mark has 3200 spins and over 25.0 million in total MB audience, while sitting at #22 on the iTunes all-genre chart. "Live Forever" is sitting at 1300 spins, 7.5 million in audience and is at #224 on the all-genre chart, at the 32 day mark. This lead single should have debuted higher and it should be in the top 20 by now. I know that's a lot to ask for but this band has had enough recent success to at least expect something close to that right now. KKBQ in Houston and Westwood One (WIHC) have contributed over 2.0 million in this single's total MB audience. It remains to be seen where this one will peak. It could still end up reaching the top 5 and selling well (its not selling "bad" compared to most other artists), but with the so-so gains many days of its chart run, I could still see this one dying in the teens. Their album drop date hinges on what this song will do. It'll probably get the album out but BMLG is waiting a little longer to see where things stand and also get a better sense of competitors releases this fall.
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Post by missbehaving on Sept 18, 2015 19:23:21 GMT -5
They're answering questions about the album on Twitter right now. There'll be 11 tracks on the standard release, and 14 on the deluxe. Worked with Jon Bellion, Benny Cassette, RedOne, Diplo, Jenna Andrews, and William Larsen, amongst others on this album. It's being released before the end of 2015. No specific date given yet. (Which makes me wonder exactly when...? All of October is absolutely stacked with Country releases, and November is getting stacked cautiously, as Adele is likely releasing this fall, in which case every act/artist not named Adele is running for cover.) Favorite lyrics from the album: -Kimberly: "Hey hey hey I forgive you. There's no room in this winner's heart to hate you."-Reid: "I believe in monsters under my bed."Along with that, Reid & Neil will be taking lead on some songs on the album, on the song he quoted from above. Album title: "_ _ _ _ _ + _ _ _ _". Fill in the blanks. Yellow will be a theme for the whole album.
Stupid question, but if the album could be "compared to any book, it'd be most comparable to 'Peter Pan'." I see they don't include Pharrell in the collaborators list... maybe it won't be in the album after all. I heard people saying November... maybe they're going for Holiday season sales? I thought it was only Neil taking the lead, I hope it's just him because Reid can't sing, unless they have used autotune. As for the album and its concept... I'm not happy with what they are saying. The lyrics they quoted are terrible... the "hey hey hey" part is enough for us to know it's yet another cheesy pop song. "I believe in monsters under my bed"... really? I guess by Peter Pan they mean youthful leaning on childish. I don't get it.... it's like they're regressing in maturity level career wise. It's very embarrassing to see what they have become.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2015 19:44:32 GMT -5
The Peter Pan theme, yellow color scheme, those lyrics...WHY? Are they even trying at this point?
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Post by missbehaving on Sept 18, 2015 19:55:09 GMT -5
The Peter Pan theme, yellow color scheme, those lyrics...WHY? Are they even trying at this point? Actually I think they're trying too hard to appeal to the teen demographic. It's so obvious. The urban hipster style, the childish demeanor on their social networks, the catchy pop song with simple lyrics that can only relate to teens and college students, the bright colors... everything is about a youthful aesthetic. I looked up on their twitted and they visited a high school today... for no apparent reason, only to meet the kids there. Makes sense why they are so into campaigns for teenagers lately (Celebrate My Drive, Teen Cancer). I'm sure a lot of it comes from kindness but I can't help but think it's also part of their new marketing strategy.
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Post by freeman on Sept 18, 2015 20:14:18 GMT -5
They seem to be getting a lot of venom from some folks so far this era. I love them so it's kind of hard to see. I do understand the frustration as some of my favorite bands have disappointed me in the past and I know how that feels. After Lady Antebellum's stellar debut I found myself disappointed by their follow ups and I stopped following them closely. I still enjoy them but it's not the same. I never had hard feelings about it though. It was simply disappointing. I look forward to this era regardless of the negative aura surrounding it so far in these parts. "Live Forever" is not my favorite by them by far but it's a nice bop.
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Post by dm2081 on Sept 18, 2015 22:40:29 GMT -5
Stupid question, but if the album could be "compared to any book, it'd be most comparable to 'Peter Pan'." This scares me the most out of all the questions they answered. Aren't they kind of getting old to be related to "Peter Pan"?
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Post by matty005 on Sept 18, 2015 23:00:30 GMT -5
Stupid question, but if the album could be "compared to any book, it'd be most comparable to 'Peter Pan'." This scares me the most out of all the questions they answered. Aren't they kind of getting old to be related to "Peter Pan"? Peter Pan is about never growing up, so maybe it makes sense. But I do get your point.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Sept 19, 2015 10:44:25 GMT -5
If it means we may get a song as wonderful as this I'd be happy.
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Post by McCreerian on Sept 19, 2015 18:10:18 GMT -5
I still love this song! Its a great jam in the car. If their entire album is like this I wouldn't mind at all.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2015 14:48:45 GMT -5
While this song could still turn into a hit at country radio, I think it's pretty obvious that it was a mistake for TBP to release this. I mean, just look at the number of likes for the top 5 comments on the video ( YouTube). It really seems like they're alienating a lot of their core fan-base. A lot of the comments are about how this isn't a country song, about how it sounds like Taylor Swift and/or Katy Perry, and about how disappointed people are that TBP has moved away from the sound that so many people loved.
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Post by sabre14 on Sept 23, 2015 15:01:37 GMT -5
"Live Forever" has also lost over 100k in MB audience over the past six days and has only gained 75 total spins over that time frame. Even though some of that is thanks to KKBQ in Houston decreasing this song's spins by nearly 50%, this single is just not performing the way BMLG would have preferred. The sales have been lower than what they should be and the airplay has been extremely pedestrian, given the debut and the lead up to the release date. If this wasn't The Band Perry, country radio wouldn't have given this one the time of day.
This could still end up being a top 10 single in the end, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say this will miss the top 10 all together.
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Post by dm2081 on Sept 23, 2015 15:14:31 GMT -5
I'm curious what reason they will give when they decide to "go back to their roots" on the next album following this flop waiting to happen. Honestly, I wouldn't even be surprised if this sing can't get this album out. So many of their fans don't like their new direction, Pop fans don't seem to be buying into it, so who's going yo be clamoring for their new sound besides their die hard loyal fans?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2015 15:39:44 GMT -5
I don't think this whole album is a flop waiting to happen at all, nor do I think TBP will ever return back to their country roots. I can't really name a single country act that has moved further towards the pop end of the spectrum, then moved back to more traditional-leaning music later and had increased success. This one single isn't doing amazingly on iTunes, but it's doing much better than their past three singles have and it's still selling above average for a country song. Most country artists have had diminishing sales lately. I wasn't expecting this to be a monster seller like their last lead single, but not every big radio hit has great sales, and we often see albums with weaker-selling lead singles have relatively strong opening sales (ex. Start Here) and albums with strong-selling lead singles not perform so well (ex. High Noon). Plus although BDT sold really well, their past three singles really under-performed on iTunes.
This will be a slow climber but I had expected that since The Band Perry really had no radio momentum going into this era. "Chainsaw" sold terribly and struggled to make the Top 10, then "Gentle on My Mind" totally flopped, becoming their lowest-peaking single by a long shot. I still think this will manage a 25-30-week climb to #1 (similar to LBT's "Day Drinking") and I expect their album to sell pretty well and yield a few future singles that out-perform this on iTunes. I'm not going to whitewash the number of disappointed TBP fans who prefer a traditional sound (which has really never been this band's style), but the biggest hits The Band Perry has ever had were the pop crossover "If I Die Young" and the pop/rock-leaning "Better Dig Two," so I do think that there's money in this pop-leaning style.
Basically, what I'm saying is that I wouldn't read too much into the fact that this isn't able to match the sales of "Better Dig Two," which would be very tough for any lead single since BDT was in the Top 20 on the iTunes all-genre chart for the better part of its airplay run if I recall, and a slow climb isn't something that should be totally shocking given the performance of their recent radio singles. I could still see their album opening with 90-100k.
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Post by sabre14 on Sept 23, 2015 16:04:13 GMT -5
I don't buy that they had zero radio momentum. Nobody was worried one bit about this group's radio momentum when this single was released. This group was planning this single release for months and country radio would have been more than willing to allow this one to move up the charts much faster if this was a different song. "Chainsaw" was a fourth single and "Gentle On My Mind" did not get a full promotion for radio -- it was a holdover single off Glen Campbell's tribute soundtrack. BMLG treated it like a bonus single. How about we compare "Live Forever" with "Chainsaw". "Live Forever" is a highly anticipated lead single from new album with a group that has established a fan-base large enough to where radio would prefer to accommodate with a sizable debut and fast chart run...whereas "Chainsaw" was a fourth single from an album that was out for well over a year. You would think "Chainsaw" would probably be worse off than "Live Forever" by this point of their chart runs, but nope. "Chainsaw" at the 37 day mark on MB had 3000 spins and 23.0 million in total audience. "Live Forever" at the 37 day mark has 1350 spins and 7.4 million in audience...and the sales are not as drastic as one would think. "Chainsaw" was at #158 on the all-genre chart, while "Live Forever" is at #197. Now, "Chainsaw's" higher exposure at radio helped its sales vs. "Live Forever" and "Don't Let Me Be Lonely" did have a #2 peak before "Chainsaw", but I just don't buy that this will have a slow and steady climb to #1, and that TBP was stricken with little momentum and that's why this single is having some troubles. I'm going with my gut here and I agree with jhomes87 that this single was a mistake.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2015 16:39:05 GMT -5
sabre14, how do we know for sure that "Gentle on My Mind" didn't get full radio promotion? Yes it was not a single off a TBP album, but that doesn't mean it wasn't treated like a regular radio single just like Keith Urban's "For You" or pop hits "Love Me Like You Do," "Earned It," and "See You Again." I'm sure Republic Nashville would have loved for GOMM to be a Top 10 radio hit and if the response from radio and listeners had been better I think they would have pushed it as far as they could. "Chainsaw" was definitely off to a better start than "Live Forever" and it was a fourth single that didn't get any sort of pre-arranged airplay, although I'll go back to the Little Big Town comparison and say that "Chainsaw" had more momentum than "Live Forever" for the same reason "Your Side of the Bed" had more momentum than "Day Drinking." DD and LF are lead singles, but they are both follow-ups to under-performers on the airplay charts. Also, it's noteworthy that "Chainsaw" had just been performed on the ACM awards (April 6, 2014) on "Day 37" of its Mediabase run (April 13, 2014), causing it to spike on iTunes. Before the ACM performance, the song was not in the Top 400 on iTunes even though it was getting way more airplay than "Live Forever" is now. Of course, I know we're not comparing apples to apples since this is a fourth single vs. a lead single, but the point I'm trying to make was that "Chainsaw"'s poor sales may have also contributed to The Band Perry's loss of momentum even though Republic did ultimately push it to a #10 peak after it spent weeks of struggling in the teens. Anyway, I guess I just don't see this as an "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" scenario like some do. This new style may end up blowing up in The Band Perry's faces, but aside from the hugely successful lead single from Pioneer I did feel like the band needed to change their sound up a little bit for album #3. I applaud them for trying something new. Even if it's not the countriest sound, I'm still really excited to hear what material they have in store for this era.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Sept 23, 2015 16:48:31 GMT -5
A lead single doesn't have no momentum just because the single or two that preceded it didn't do all that well. A brand new single from anyone who has remotely any pull at radio (which The Band Perry do), is always a return to higher momentum over a third or fourth release of an album. That's just how it works for almost anyone -- it's why a lot of people think that more singles from the same album shouldn't be released after under-performers because coming back with a lead single is almost always the route to getting momentum back. It's the same logic that says Miranda Lambert's next lead single be welcomed with open arms at country radio like a lead single from someone of Miranda Lambert's star power should be, regardless of how poorly "Smokin' and Drinkin'" is doing.
I think they definitely had more momentum going into this brand new release from a new album than they did once "Don't Let Me Be Lonely" had finished its run.
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Post by missbehaving on Sept 23, 2015 16:56:43 GMT -5
While this song could still turn into a hit at country radio, I think it's pretty obvious that it was a mistake for TBP to release this. I mean, just look at the number of likes for the top 5 comments on the video ( YouTube). It really seems like they're alienating a lot of their core fan-base. A lot of the comments are about how this isn't a country song, about how it sounds like Taylor Swift and/or Katy Perry, and about how disappointed people are that TBP has moved away from the sound that so many people loved. I still say what makes people enjoy TBP is the fact that they were so different and fresh. Only die hard fans will buy this major move as genuine... some are trying to give a meaning to this song that I'm not sure is there; this song really doesn't have much depth and all I can hear is YOLO when the chorus comes. I'm curious what reason they will give when they decide to "go back to their roots" on the next album following this flop waiting to happen. Honestly, I wouldn't even be surprised if this sing can't get this album out. So many of their fans don't like their new direction, Pop fans don't seem to be buying into it, so who's going yo be clamoring for their new sound besides their die hard loyal fans? Pop fans were never that much into TBP, I remember many were thrown off by their style and in that sense I can see why they invested in a big change in their image. It was obviously done to appeal to pop fans. The pop fans I know loved TBP loved them for same reason I do: they were unique with a special sound, very unlike the bro-country we were all so sick of, we also loved how they were brave to be themselves and not industry puppets. Now I think the pop fans they're trying to attract can see how transparent and desperate they're being. I don't think this song is great, it sounds very radio disney and cheesy, believe me even pop fans like music that stands out and is unique. This song sounds lazy to me, like something the writers/producers expected pop fans would be into... problem is, pop fans aren't as shallow as they're assuming we are. Generic and bland songs with weak lyrics really don't sound good to me. Sadly for them, they performed IIDY with Taylor, not LF. They'll get a few thousands new fans but most Swifties are looking for IIDY not the new single. If the lastest single from an album is not doing as well as the previous ones, it's a good indication that it's time to move on and start working on something new. Saying an act like TBP didn't have momentum for this new single is crazy... all everyone kept asking about was new music, I think the fans and industry were all very excited to hear new music. Name dropping Diplo, Pharrell, etc. definitely brought curiosity and more anticipation, I'm sure. This song is very catchy indeed, but it's not as impressive or great as it should be for an anthem.
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Post by sabre14 on Sept 23, 2015 17:54:38 GMT -5
sabre14, how do we know for sure that "Gentle on My Mind" didn't get full radio promotion? Yes it was not a single off a TBP album, but that doesn't mean it wasn't treated like a regular radio single just like Keith Urban's "For You" or pop hits "Love Me Like You Do," "Earned It," and "See You Again." I'm sure Republic Nashville would have loved for GOMM to be a Top 10 radio hit and if the response from radio and listeners had been better I think they would have pushed it as far as they could. Republic Nashville had a RTM survey in October of 2014 where "Gentle On My Mind" was the only song available for testing...that means the label was gathering feedback during its chart run in an attempt to help decide whether or not to continue giving it a full-blown push. That was just as "Gentle On My Mind" entered the MB top 40 and wouldn't you know it, that's when it started slowing down. Once the survey ended, "Gentle On My Mind" barely gained any audience and it didn't last much longer on the singles charts. The song itself was a ultra throwback, so I think their label had reservations whether or not it could do well, even if it wasn't from a tribute soundtrack.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2015 22:43:08 GMT -5
^This is a good point and you are absolutely right about the label being unsure if "Gentle on My Mind" would do well whether it was an album track or not. I still don't know that an RTM survey means the label never gave the single a full push, as we saw "Love Is Your Name" last quite a while on the chart even after Big Machine sent out an RTM survey. Dot definitely gave that one a full-blown push; it just still didn't manage to do much. The same could have been the case with "Gentle on My Mind." That being said, I still think radio programmers remember that The Band Perry's last single flopped regardless of whether Big Machine wants to officially call it a single.
I agree with the points everyone has been making to an extent. It's absolutely true that an act like The Band Perry should have re-gained some momentum from moving on to a new lead single, and "Live Forever" should have a bit more momentum than "Chainsaw" or "Gentle on My Mind." But I still think radio remembers that The Band Perry ended their last era with just a bit of a slump, and I think they're probably thought of as a B-list act right now (hence iHeartMedia only giving them a bi-hourly world premiere deal instead of an hourly deal). They're just not as popular as they were going into their second era, and I'm just not surprised to see this climb relatively slowly.
The example .indulgecountry used about Miranda Lambert is a similar case. Will Miranda have more momentum moving on to a new lead single from her next album than she would have releasing another single off Platinum? Absolutely. But radio will still remember that this past era went south and so I don't expect her next lead single will have nearly as fast a start as "Automatic" since Four the Record was overall a much more successful era, and I'm not even 100% positive Miranda will be considered a big enough star to receive an hourly world premiere deal from iHeartMedia.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2015 0:10:10 GMT -5
^This is a good point and you are absolutely right about the label being unsure if "Gentle on My Mind" would do well whether it was an album track or not. I still don't know that an RTM survey means the label never gave the single a full push, as we saw "Love Is Your Name" last quite a while on the chart even after Big Machine sent out an RTM survey. Dot definitely gave that one a full-blown push; it just still didn't manage to do much. The same could have been the case with "Gentle on My Mind." That being said, I still think radio programmers remember that The Band Perry's last single flopped regardless of whether Big Machine wants to officially call it a single. Adding on to the comments about "Gentle On My Mind"...even if Republic Nashville viewed it as a 'regular' single and gave it the promotion that they'd typically give any of their other singles, radio almost certainly didn't see it as a regular single. Not only was the song not on a TBP album, but it was a cover of a 1960's Glen Campbell hit. Cover songs as singles are rare enough, and it's even rarer for them to become hits (top 20 or better). So I think what sabre14 and others were saying is that expectations were probably quite low for how "Gentle On My Mind" would do on the airplay charts in 2014. I don't think anybody here expected it to be a big hit, and I think the folks at Republic Nashville probably felt the same way.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2015 7:41:40 GMT -5
Man everything about just this release screams The Band Perry as an artist with no artistic integrity. What do I mean well I think Country Perspective explains it best. countryperspective.com/2015/09/03/the-hodgepodge-mainstream-countrys-lack-of-artistic-integrity/Man Country Perspective has really helped me realize what is country and what is terrible pop music being masked as country. Seriously though those lyrics are like the most immature thing I have seen. I could forgive releasing a straight up pop song. I could forgive the awful choreography in the music video but the artists there working with the immaturity and just the awful lyrics. .indulgecountry I wouldn't get your hope up on a song like Kelsea for Peter Pan. Given the lyrics the way The Band Perry are acting those lyrics and the fact Neil and Reid might take lead . Finally there momentum I think it's fine just I am expecting Live Forever to have awful callback scores since this doesn't seem like something radio expects out of The Band Perry. Predicting a peak in the teens where polarizing songs go to die.
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Post by missbehaving on Sept 24, 2015 9:19:25 GMT -5
Man everything about just this release screams The Band Perry as an artist with no artistic integrity. What do I mean well I think Country Perspective explains it best. countryperspective.com/2015/09/03/the-hodgepodge-mainstream-countrys-lack-of-artistic-integrity/Man Country Perspective has really helped me realize what is country and what is terrible pop music being masked as country. Seriously though those lyrics are like the most immature thing I have seen. I could forgive releasing a straight up pop song. I could forgive the awful choreography in the music video but the artists there working with the immaturity and just the awful lyrics. .indulgecountry I wouldn't get your hope up on a song like Kelsea for Peter Pan. Given the lyrics the way The Band Perry are acting those lyrics and the fact Neil and Reid might take lead . Finally there momentum I think it's fine just I am expecting Live Forever to have awful callback scores since this doesn't seem like something radio expects out of The Band Perry. Predicting a peak in the teens where polarizing songs go to die. That was an interesting read. I actually thought country rockier TBP was genuine, their debut album was folkier but their music before fame was very rockish... I was expecting them to continue that with the next album, just thought it was the "real" them. I still think that's who they really are and the rock sound is the kind of music they truly enjoy making. They feel like true rock stars at heart, so this new generic pop sounding, hip hop loving and choreographed TBP feels like the opposite of their true identity. I'm having a hard time believe they're genuine in this new direction... The new music (though we've only heard LF), sounds very immature. I think by Peter Pan they mean singing from a 12 year old's perspective... "I believe in monsters under my bed" I'm sorry, but people in their late 20s and early 30s singing this kind of stuff is not cute. Hats off if they can pull this (and similar) lines without sounding ridiculous. I still think this will go top 10, "country" songs do take a while to reach the top and TBP are a B list act, but they still have some power so I think top 10 is possible, maybe top 5. #1? we'll see about that.
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Post by missbehaving on Sept 25, 2015 17:42:41 GMT -5
Came across this new interview "It’s a big anthem that feels like a potential crossover hit in pop. There’s this strange notion that it’s bad for a country act to have ambitions to have a pop hit, or that you’re abandoning country. What do you make of that? Kimberly: I think for us, any time your ambition is to chase a particular marketplace as an artist—that seems a little disingenuous in the first place. Everything we did for this album was about chasing authenticity and for what we know our fans have grown to love in our music and what we bring to them. So that was really our goal and wherever that led us melodically is where it led us. On the country side of things, it is authentic for us to have our three-part harmony, Neil’s mandolin and banjo—which he feels like makes [it into] all of the songs we get to release— Neil: [interjecting in agreement] Pretty much— Kimberly: —and also to keep that narrative. But this time we were really also compelled to embrace some modern sounds that we love and, quite frankly, are hearing all over country radio anyway. That’s a really special thing: that artists can identify as country but still be able to stretch themselves creatively. Neil: As much as, if not more, country artists moving out and expanding their own borders as many people are coming into country. People think if there’s country music going to pop radio that the country artists are going to pop, but a lot of times it’s pop asking for that. That shows the power and long-reaching arms of country music, not only on pop radio, but internationally as well. Country should embrace that." I'm not sure what to think... authenticity? Suuure. They really like to insist on three-part harmony (more like two-part harmony in their case), banjo and mandolin... I hope those instruments will actually be heard in the new album. It's rather sad that if it wasn't for Lady Gaga, of all people(!), the mandolin in Live Forever would be almost inexistent. Rest is here if anyone wants to read www.countryweekly.com/magazine/vault/nash-next-spotlight-artist-band-perry
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Post by dm2081 on Sept 25, 2015 21:57:24 GMT -5
If Pop radio is indeed asking for country songs, then why aren't they turning any into hits? "Girl Crush" and "Take Your Time" were the best and most logical choices, and neither could cross top 25. They're either being lied to by their higher ups or are just flat out lying to the interviewer, one or the other.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Sept 26, 2015 2:47:00 GMT -5
I still just don't think this is that big of a change for The Band Perry. Like I feel like this song would've fit on Pioneer (fantastic album btw) without raising any eyebrows and the style change for them isn't that drastic to my eyes, personally. I really feel like this was a natural progression for them: they always seemed like the type of band that could be future Entertainers of the Year and be much bigger than they ever were and even if this song doesn't exactly get them to that level (given it's lukewarm opening), I definitely think that the approach they went with made sense. I've loved basically everything they've put out though, aside from their debut single, so I like both ends of their musical spectrum.
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Post by dajire4 on Sept 26, 2015 9:32:26 GMT -5
It's actually not the music that it's turning me off this era, it's their attitude, especially Kimberly's. She just seems too disingenous and comes off as defensive (probably because down deep she knows she is not being true to herself)
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Post by missbehaving on Sept 26, 2015 10:31:03 GMT -5
If Pop radio is indeed asking for country songs, then why aren't they turning any into hits? "Girl Crush" and "Take Your Time" were the best and most logical choices, and neither could cross top 25. They're either being lied to by their higher ups or are just flat out lying to the interviewer, one or the other. Exactly... I really don't think pop radio is asking for country, at all. I don't get it... these artists in Nashville all going pop with their music, for what? It's not working on pop radio, it's not working on general itunes sales, it's not working on the top 20... I wonder if a big reason for this is how unauthentic and forced it looks and sounds. Maybe country artists should be more natural with their music and then if the song is really good enough to appeal to pop masses, it will, naturally, cross over. Pop radio, is imo, looking for bold sounds, different music and looking for the next big thing... see The Weeknd. I agree, if better songs couldn't crossover, it's safe to say Live Forever won't crossover either. Might reach the top 30 if lucky. I keep seeing Sam Hunt being hyped as some sort of big crossover artist in the media, I'm thinking, has this guy even really crossed over? The charts don't lie. He hasn't. But he's being hyped as such. Why? So the others will follow the trend and see if one of them can finally hit the US top 20? It feels like everyone is doing what they can to crossover and seeing which sound will make it. I'm surprised the labels in Nashville aren't trying to push rapper features in singles, trying to repeat Cruise remix's success. That was the last big crossover hit country music had, right? I don't know why Nashville hasn't pushed this and try to make it a new "trend". It's actually not the music that it's turning me off this era, it's their attitude, especially Kimberly's. She just seems too disingenous and comes off as defensive (probably because down deep she knows she is not being true to herself) It feels very defensive, especially now with this talk about authenticity... It's like they have to convince people this is genuine and authentic. They obviously know what is being said about them at the moment and are trying to "save face". Same thing for their stand on country music... it's like they're trying hard to assure everyone that they love country. I would be less bothered if they weren't trying so hard to defend themselves with this one. Like you've made a song that is clearly more pop than country, own it. You want to crossover. Why not admit it? Nothing wrong with being ambitious. You still want to be in country music despite making poppier songs? Just say so. They knew they were releasing a polarizing song and subsequentely, a polarizing era. Their answers come off as trying hard to come up with excuses to avoid backlash... it feels off and insincere. They'd fare better if they'd just say things they way they are, if they're bold enough to make something totally different then should bold enough to be more upfront about it. From another interview Kimberly has said: "One thing that we chose to really chase as hard as we could, making this new album … was authenticity for the three of us and something that was really excellent, that was the best work we had ever done."I don't know... why keep insisting on being authentic? If it truly feels like authentic TBP to them, why need to ensure it? Just own it. they also insist on how happy they were with this one: "But for when we were writing “Live Forever” in this third era of The Band Perry, we had a lot more joy and smiles on our faces when we were leaving the studio."I'm a cynical person so maybe that's why, but if you have to tell me several times how happy and authentic you are, I'm just gonna think it's the opposite going on.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2015 11:24:58 GMT -5
It's actually not the music that it's turning me off this era, it's their attitude, especially Kimberly's. She just seems too disingenous and comes off as defensive (probably because down deep she knows she is not being true to herself) 100% this; all Kimberly is coming off as way too disingenuous and defensive regarding "Live Forever," and their album hasn't even been released yet. In my mind, if Country artists (or any artists, for that matter), feel that their music is genuine, they don't need to constantly defend it and grasp at straws; I honestly think TBP has to be well-aware of the criticism this song is receiving, and it appears to have gotten to them in the worst way. Frankly, if TBP thinks a song like "Live Forever" is an 'authentic' reflection of TBP really is, I'd be scared to know what they think of excellent Country songs like "If I Die Young" and "Better Dig Two." I don't particularly care that this isn't Country, but it's just a bad song in general, and certainly doesn't fit the TBP I've come to respect. It still leaves me baffled that Big Machine has overhauled almost every one of their artists with a new, glossier sound, because Pop radio has never embraced Country music, anyway. The huge songs that have crossed over had SPECIFIC remixes made for Pop radio, so it's not like they're taking the songs as they were (likely) intended to be heard. This whole thing just feels so scripted, I don't get it.
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