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Post by jesster on Sept 3, 2015 18:20:09 GMT -5
They seem very focused on the "three-part family harmony," but in all honesty I can barely make it out in many of their songs. Seeing them live recently, it was not clear that Reid could or did actually sing or even go anywhere near the microphone for vocals more than a token attempt in a song or two or few.
I went back and looked it up later as I was curious, and did not find any YT clips of him singing. Nor did I see many vocal credits for him on the TBP recordings. Where he was a big factor in the songwriting. (Which y'all probably know, but was new to me not having looked it up before lol.)
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Post by sixofone on Sept 3, 2015 18:46:32 GMT -5
The Band Perry talked with Music Row about their new album and music. Some interesting quotes. Does Big Machine give their artists talking points to use for interviews, especially if they are considering a pop crossover? Didn't Zac Brown, or someone in the band, say something like "we're not a country group, we're a group that has written country songs" at some point in the recent past?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2015 19:48:30 GMT -5
They must have the talking points predetermined because if I have to hear them say one more time that this is country because of the "three-part harmony and mandolin" my head is going to turn into an avocado.
I'm not sure how George Strait and Alan Jackson and Johnny Cash would feel if you told them country music's defining musical aspects are three-part harmony and mandolins (neither of which you can really hear in this song above the Lady Gaga production).
If those two things are the only classifications that make The Band Perry country, then I'm wondering why their first two albums sounded so different than this song. Also wondering why the guys changed their look and why they produced and wrote this with RedOne.
Honestly, I'm all for artists making whatever music they feel expresses the art they want to create. But don't put chicken noodle soup in a can that's labeled baked beans and then get offended when I tell you that you're full of bullspit.
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Post by tim on Sept 3, 2015 20:11:43 GMT -5
They must have the talking points predetermined because if I have to hear them say one more time that this is country because of the "three-part harmony and mandolin" my head is going to turn into an avocado. I'm not sure how George Strait and Alan Jackson and Johnny Cash would feel if you told them country music's defining musical aspects are three-part harmony and mandolins (neither of which you can really hear in this song above the Lady Gaga production).. Hey now, as a somewhat fan of Lady Gaga's I take exception to comparing this to her music lol. I know she was quick to jump on the praise for this song, but still! And yes, it just seems that not only are they being provided with "talking points," but everything about them at this point feels so awkwardly staged.
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Post by jesster on Sept 3, 2015 20:51:41 GMT -5
I actually would accept "family harmony" as being one of a number of distinguishing traditional elements of country music.
But not when I can't hear it, or it's barely harmony at all. Not saying that is true of TBP in general, there are definitely songs of theirs where I'd accept the group vocals aspect. But it's not remotely a quality I can make out in Live Forever, and it was barely discernible in their live show for sister and one brother. A trio, they were not.
For that matter, I've found listenable vocals to be one of the distinguishing characteristics between country and a lot of popular pop stuff - either because the pop acts don't sing well, or they are drowned out by production.
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Post by missbehaving on Sept 5, 2015 16:18:54 GMT -5
Oh my... this group is one of the few country acts I love, I loved that their music was unique, pop leaning but still very country sounding, interesting lyrical approach. As a pop fan, this song is ok... I'm sad TBP are this desperate for a hit, this kind of music is not what I look for from them. Live Forever is nothing special, catchy yes, but that alone doesn't mean the song will be a hit. Looks like it's not working for them, but no surprise, they've changed everything and become a whole new act. Borchetta should know not every act on his label can be a Taylor Swift and that that's ok. Also, Taylor's pop songs are not as generic and basic as this is... if ya wanna make TBP crossover, make sure you give them actual worthy material.
Hope the album has more true TBP in it, don't buy for a minute this is the "real" them.
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Post by Cody Wants Out... on Sept 5, 2015 20:23:34 GMT -5
Now that I think of it, I kinda hope this backfires on them because this is just too much of a change for me...and this is coming from a pretty big TBP fan. Also, I think that "go crazy..." hook is kinda unnecessary and way too gimmicky and it's kinda discouraging to hear from them. If this does end up backfiring on them, then hopefully the drawing board will be fresh enough for them to start over since there wasn't really anything wrong with their first two albums.
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Post by missbehaving on Sept 5, 2015 21:12:49 GMT -5
The Band Perry talked with Music Row about their new album and music. Some interesting quotes. First: hmm... I'm sorry but if this is true to who TBP is then I obviously was wrong about the debut and Pioneer era, thought those were the true TBP... turns out true TBP is a teeny bopper pop group. Second: Live Forever is average, compared to Better Dig Two it's a fluff pop song with weak lyrics and bland production that has nothing "excellent" about it. Third: Where is the narrative in this song? I just can't seem to find it. Fourth: The "three-part harmony" and "mandolin" are barely audible in the song... looking for excuses to why it "belongs" in country radio? They're great with the script Borchetta and his staff gave them, that's for sure.
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Post by missbehaving on Sept 5, 2015 21:15:58 GMT -5
Now that I think of it, I kinda hope this backfires on them because this is just too much of a change for me...and this is coming from a pretty big TBP fan. Also, I think that "go crazy..." hook is kinda unnecessary and way too gimmicky and it's kinda discouraging to hear from them. If this does end up backfiring on them, then hopefully the drawing board will be fresh enough for them to start over since there wasn't really anything wrong with their first two albums. The "go go go crazy" part is too yolo for me... Actually the whole chorus is "yolo"... Let's go crazy because we're gonna live forever... great message for the younger fans.
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Post by sabre14 on Sept 5, 2015 21:24:03 GMT -5
missbehaving You can edit posts and double quote to avoid double posting. :)
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Post by missbehaving on Sept 6, 2015 13:09:15 GMT -5
missbehaving You can edit posts and double quote to avoid double posting. :) oops sorry... not quite sure how to do that. :|
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Post by sabre14 on Sept 6, 2015 13:22:47 GMT -5
missbehaving You can edit posts and double quote to avoid double posting. :) oops sorry... not quite sure how to do that. :| There's an edit option to the far right of the reply section; between the quote and the like button. You can also click on the down arrow and click "select post" to any post you wish to quote and as many as you wish; then just press quote. :)
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Post by defying gravity on Sept 6, 2015 15:46:21 GMT -5
What do you all think this song will peak at? Could this ever reach #1? I hope this doesn't become a major flop for them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2015 15:57:43 GMT -5
I am stunned actually that The Band Perry have just changed so much. The look screams pop act or at least a 90s pop reject band. Then the awful music video in which they just looked strait up like they didn't know what they were even doing. Then the influences of a pop producer. The whole collab thing with I think it was Kanye. The Kimberly Perry tweet which she could've just ignored that guy (even if he's right). Finally this interview and I am just done with these guys it's clear they're in it for the money and I don't think they care about making quality music anymore.
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Post by missbehaving on Sept 6, 2015 16:33:24 GMT -5
What do you all think this song will peak at? Could this ever reach #1? I hope this doesn't become a major flop for them. I can see it being a top 10 or top 5 hit for them... if it hits #1 Borchetta will not lose time with sending this to pop radio, maybe even with a "pop" remix... as if this song is not pop enough. I am stunned actually that The Band Perry have just changed so much. The look screams pop act or at least a 90s pop reject band. Then the awful music video in which they just looked strait up like they didn't know what they were even doing. Then the influences of a pop producer. The whole collab thing with I think it was Kanye. The Kimberly Perry tweet which she could've just ignored that guy (even if he's right). Finally this interview and I am just done with these guys it's clear they're in it for the money and I don't think they care about making quality music anymore. The collab was with Pharrell, and I've already heard that Kimberly said they don't know if the song will end up on the album. Why even bring it up if it might never see the light? it's Pharrell obviously there's people who are very curious to hear it, I don't get this move, if it really doesn't end up on their album. Also, they said the new album was all done and this week they're back in the studio... is something up? I scrolled back, turns out she has twitter now... that reply was very unnecessary, too defensive and what's up with the way they type? Did they revert back to 12 years old in order to attract that demographic? They went from mature and well spoken to childish and dumb. The money and (I guess) the fame has blinded these guys... Borchetta being around doesn't help, of course. I always thought they were underrated, but that they were ok with what they were getting and then this happens... did they learn nothing from Gentle and the grammy win? Being respected and taken seriously by fans and peers, is, in my opinion, much better than being hip and having a few chart successes, usually the "hip" artists are forgotten within a decade, the respected ones remain forever. Clearly, TBP and their team don't agree with this, it's a shame, this pop direction will only hurt them in the long run. Oh... almost forgot. Anyone else turned off by all the choreography? I thought it was cool when they did it with DONE at the ACMs, but now it's getting out of control and just looks lame and forced. Last time I saw them live, the whole show was choreographed except for the ballads, it was too much in my opinion. Was hoping they got out of that with this new album, but the music video showed that they're really into it apparently... actually they hired Beyoncé's choreographer. Nonsense! I'm all for change with my favorites artists, but only when it's good and organic. Sorry for the huge reply... I'm just very shocked that amazing band from 5 years ago turned out like this, it's really disappointing because they had/have so much potential.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2015 16:52:13 GMT -5
What do you all think this song will peak at? Could this ever reach #1? I hope this doesn't become a major flop for them. I can see it being a top 10 or top 5 hit for them... if it hits #1 Borchetta will not lose time with sending this to pop radio, maybe even with a "pop" remix... as if this song is not pop enough. I am stunned actually that The Band Perry have just changed so much. The look screams pop act or at least a 90s pop reject band. Then the awful music video in which they just looked strait up like they didn't know what they were even doing. Then the influences of a pop producer. The whole collab thing with I think it was Kanye. The Kimberly Perry tweet which she could've just ignored that guy (even if he's right). Finally this interview and I am just done with these guys it's clear they're in it for the money and I don't think they care about making quality music anymore. The collab was with Pharrell, and I've already heard that Kimberly said they don't know if the song will end up on the album. Why even bring it up if it might never see the light? it's Pharrell obviously there's people who are very curious to hear it, I don't get this move, if it really doesn't end up on their album. Also, they said the new album was all done and this week they're back in the studio... is something up? I scrolled back, turns out she has twitter now... that reply was very unnecessary, too defensive and what's up with the way they type? Did they revert back to 12 years old in order to attract that demographic? They went from mature and well spoken to childish and dumb. The money and (I guess) the fame has blinded these guys... Borchetta being around doesn't help, of course. I always thought they were underrated, but that they were ok with what they were getting and then this happens... did they learn nothing from Gentle and the grammy win? Being respected and taken seriously by fans and peers, is, in my opinion, much better than being hip and having a few chart successes, usually the "hip" artists are forgotten within a decade, the respected ones remain forever. Clearly, TBP and their team don't agree with this, it's a shame, this pop direction will only hurt them in the long run. Oh... almost forgot. Anyone else turned off by all the choreography? I thought it was cool when they did it with DONE at the ACMs, but now it's getting out of control and just looks lame and forced. Last time I saw them live, the whole show was choreographed except for the ballads, it was too much in my opinion. Was hoping they got out of that with this new album, but the music video showed that they're really into it apparently... actually they hired Beyoncé's choreographer. Nonsense! I'm all for change with my favorites artists, but only when it's good and organic. Sorry for the huge reply... I'm just very shocked that amazing band from 5 years ago turned out like this, it's really disappointing because they had/have so much potential. LOL I wasn't talking about Pharell I was actually meaning to say the RedPop producer that produced this song.
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Post by missbehaving on Sept 6, 2015 17:06:06 GMT -5
It's Red One, Gaga's producer... they also have Diplo, Jon Bellion and Bonnie McKee on the album. Judging from the writing credits on this one, they also have a few swedish pop experts on it.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Sept 6, 2015 17:40:02 GMT -5
I am stunned actually that The Band Perry have just changed so much. The look screams pop act or at least a 90s pop reject band. Then the awful music video in which they just looked strait up like they didn't know what they were even doing. Then the influences of a pop producer. The whole collab thing with I think it was Kanye. The Kimberly Perry tweet which she could've just ignored that guy (even if he's right). Finally this interview and I am just done with these guys it's clear they're in it for the money and I don't think they care about making quality music anymore. The collab was with Pharrell, and I've already heard that Kimberly said they don't know if the song will end up on the album. Why even bring it up if it might never see the light? it's Pharrell obviously there's people who are very curious to hear it, I don't get this move, if it really doesn't end up on their album. Also, they said the new album was all done and this week they're back in the studio... is something up? I think Carrie announced that she'd worked with Ne-Yo on a song during the Play On recording sessions but it ultimately didn't make the album. It's not as often in country music for this kind of thing to happen, but it's not exactly uncommon for an artist to knowingly collaborate with someone else and then it not wind up making the finished product in the pop world, so I don't think it's a big deal if the Pharrell cut does or doesn't wind up on the record in the end.
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Post by sabre14 on Sept 8, 2015 13:18:36 GMT -5
The Cumulus block added "Live Forever" this week.
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Post by md1340 on Sept 8, 2015 20:47:38 GMT -5
Billboard's most added this week.
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Post by defying gravity on Sept 10, 2015 8:49:31 GMT -5
I don't understand why people are bashing this song so much. The Band Perry is still the same talented group as they were in 2010. To me, this is just them experimenting and trying new things. Heck, their last single was one of the most country-sounding of their career! I highly doubt that they're going to pull a Taylor Swift and permanently transition to Pop.
This single may not be country sounding at all or the most well-written of theirs, but it's just them having fun and appreciating how far they've come. Cut them some slack!
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Post by sabre14 on Sept 10, 2015 15:36:07 GMT -5
I don't understand why people are bashing this song so much. The Band Perry is still the same talented group as they were in 2010. To me, this is just them experimenting and trying new things. Heck, their last single was one of the most country-sounding of their career! I highly doubt that they're going to pull a Taylor Swift and permanently transition to Pop. This single may not be country sounding at all or the most well-written of theirs, but it's just them having fun and appreciating how far they've come. Cut them some slack! People are critical of this song because it's a pop song that's being promoted to country radio. Nobody is or has doubted The Band Perry's talents as a trio since they arrived in late 2009. Some folks are just expressing warranted, constructive criticism about "Live Forever" and the timing of this musical direction. "Gentle On My Mind" was a one-off from the Glen Campbell tribute album, so to me, that song has little to do with their overall body of work on country radio. It was never meant to be a heavily promoted single and it was treated as a side project, as a hold over to their next studio album. With the amount of money spent in this industry (radio promotion, marketing, album making costs, touring, radio tours, etc.), I'd like to think that the artists and the label alike would take a more appropriate approach of a new full length studio album, of a wildly popular artist in the genre, then "just having some fun." Music is supposed to be fun, obviously, I'm not saying that; but that should not be the main catalyst for making a straight up pop song and servicing it to country radio. Nothing says giving thanks to country radio and their country music fans for "how far they've come" than a anthemic pop song... As for the potential transitioning to pop, I agree that it won't happen like it did with Taylor but make no mistake, the rest of this new album has more in common with "Live Forever" than "If I Die Young", "You Lie" or "Don't Let Me Be Lonely." BMLG's marketing strategy and image portrayal (cover art, music video) has been anything but a country album, or at least something along the lines of their first two records. Personally, if I feel a song or artists musical direction needs some criticism, I'm going to express it. The Band Perry can do whatever they wish in terms of the music they wish to record, but I'll stick to my opinions about how I feel about their new music, just like others do and I'm sure will continue to do if more songs like "Live Forever" go to country radio.
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Post by md1340 on Sept 10, 2015 15:42:24 GMT -5
If TBP ever transitions exclusively to pop music, I'm sure there will be a formal announcement made, just as there was with TS. TPB thrives on experimenting with different sounds, taking chances, and stirring up the musical pot, knowing full well that there will be folks who like what comes next, and folks who don't. After all, if everyone enjoyed the same things and disliked the same things, then there would only be one thing.
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Post by rjz on Sept 10, 2015 22:12:59 GMT -5
If TBP ever transitions exclusively to pop music, I'm sure there will be a formal announcement made, just as there was with TS. TPB thrives on experimenting with different sounds, taking chances, and stirring up the musical pot, knowing full well that there will be folks who like what comes next, and folks who don't. After all, if everyone enjoyed the same things and disliked the same things, then there would only be one thing. I agree, nothing wrong with experimenting. It does sadden me that quality real country songs don't get played-there is only so much room at radio. And the main issue I have is that while I'm happy for those who are satisfied/excited about this song (I don't like it even as a pop song) it makes me really miss the old Band Perry who had such great tunes, sassy lyrics, non-cliche country themes- and sure knew how to entwine a fiddle throughout.
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Post by tim on Sept 10, 2015 22:28:46 GMT -5
TPB thrives on experimenting with different sounds, taking chances, and stirring up the musical pot, knowing full well that there will be folks who like what comes next, and folks who don't. You can add changing everything about their looks to that list. That might be the biggest issue I have personally with this new direction they are embarking on...forget that their sound has changed it's that they completely stripped away everything about TBP from top to bottom. I can't really ever quite recall another artist or group doing a complete 180 musically and stylistically so much to the point they are unrecognizable from what they've built their career around. I'm probably being rather harsh, but what makes me such a loyal fan of certain artists (George Strait, Don Williams, Sturgill Simpson, Kacey Musgraves, Waylon Jennings) is authenticity and TBP just threw all that away for me to ever really come back around to them.
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Post by missbehaving on Sept 11, 2015 5:53:44 GMT -5
TPB thrives on experimenting with different sounds, taking chances, and stirring up the musical pot, knowing full well that there will be folks who like what comes next, and folks who don't. You can add changing everything about their looks to that list. That might be the biggest issue I have personally with this new direction they are embarking on...forget that their sound has changed it's that they completely stripped away everything about TBP from top to bottom. I can't really ever quite recall another artist or group doing a complete 180 musically and stylistically so much to the point they are unrecognizable from what they've built their career around. I'm probably being rather harsh, but what makes me such a loyal fan of certain artists (George Strait, Don Williams, Sturgill Simpson, Kacey Musgraves, Waylon Jennings) is authenticity and TBP just threw all that away for me to ever really come back around to them. Yes to all of this. It's ok to try new things musically, though I don't think this song shows growth at all, no one thinks artists have to do the same thing over and over again. But in this case TBP has changed who they are completely. The clothing and hair styles, the over the top choreography, their attitude in social media... completely different from a couple years ago. Anyone here who follows them on their social media accounts might have noticed that TBP's maturity level when speaking to fans is not the same. They type, sound and act like teenagers. Three people that impressed me years ago because they were so well spoken and mature at twenty-something. Now they are unrecognizable. They really have regressed and it's pretty embarrassing. Of course... this could definitely be them trying to experiment and have fun, but it's a bit strange that other Big Machine acts have decided to experiment with pop and have fun at the same time. Maybe it's just me, but feels a bit sketchy.
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Post by ichabod on Sept 16, 2015 14:07:27 GMT -5
Two things about this song stick out to me.
First, the song has 7 writers and 2 producers. That's a baseball team. I bet Dan Huff didn't touch a knob in the studio on this song a la his "production" on "Girl In A Country Song" for Maddie & Tae. The demo Aaron Scherz produced for that song was the exact same as Huff's. It's almost as BMLG is just using his name as producer for row cred.
Second, the "Go crazy, go go go crazy" melody is a rip off of something that I can't place my ear on. Maybe y'all can help. Or maybe that's why this song has seven writers. They may have given a small percentage for the use of that melody a la Brett Eldredge's "Lose My Mind". Which also involved the word crazy. Crazy....
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Post by missbehaving on Sept 16, 2015 18:30:29 GMT -5
I just got on twitter and all I keep seeing is that TBP will be Taylor's special guest tonight... Her show is in Indianapolis and TBP are there too. This will surely help Live Forever on itunes. I know that TBP and Taylor are not close at all, so I'm pretty sure this move has a lot to do with Borchetta... If it's true I have no doubt it will help them with this song and gain more fans.
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Post by Dustin J. on Sept 17, 2015 7:42:33 GMT -5
I remember one time we had a really great country band who, a while back, had some good material like "If I Die Young" and "Postcard From Paris". Anybody else...?
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Post by drod17 on Sept 17, 2015 9:28:46 GMT -5
My main problem with this song isn't even the poppier production, but how lazy it all feels. What's usually great about their uptempos is that they are full of energy, but here I find everything half-done. The chants are supposed to sound "epic", but I feel like if during the production they took away all of the energy they had. So honestly, while I do think it's somewhat catchy, whenever it comes on, I just get bored.
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