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Post by Marv on Oct 16, 2015 19:49:48 GMT -5
New CDs from Tim McGraw and singer-songwriter extraordinare Sara Bareilles are both due on November 6th, and I-m deliriously awaiting both of them; McGraw's music hasn't dropped of at all excluding Truck Yeah over the past 3-4 years, and new music from a superb singer-songwriter like Ms. Bareilles is always a breath of fresh air that Hot AC and AC stations will play the heck out of.
I wouldn't be surprised if their label pulls the plug on this song real soon although I've liked it since it came out; a new CD from TBP is always welcome and diito for Keith Urban's forthcoming release, so waiting until 2016 is no problem with me.
Besides, having new CDs from King George and Don Henley to play the heck out of beats the overwhelming majority of music from pop tarts starting with TMZ regulars like Bieber, proof positive that great music remains out there in droves, even if country and top 40 stations ignore a lot of it given their current fixations with bro-country and BPM-dominated stuff.
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Post by missbehaving on Oct 19, 2015 21:41:23 GMT -5
still stuck at #29? I'm not sure if this song is struggling to enter the top 20 or to not get knocked out the top 30.
This could take another two months to hit the top 10, if it actually keeps moving up the chart and not getting stuck at the same spot for weeks in a row. There's a 50 week old song at #2 so it's not impossible, but it will definitely take a long time. I don't see TBP and BMLG wanting to pull the plug so soon on a lead single, that would be awful for a band that saw top 10 success with all the Pioneer singles. It's still disappointing because there was so much hype and obviously, when TBP announced the album would be out this year about a month ago, they were expecting this one to be at least in the teens by now.
As pop and cheesy as this song is, I think it would've done better if they didn't change completely the way they look. They have way too much going on. I don't see how this song doesn't fit with their country rocker image. They looked fine before... now they underwent a nerd to jock/cheerleader transformation and it feels so off. They got a personal trainer and they're ripped now, they look hot now... great for them, but I don't see why Kimberly is dressing like sporty spice and the boys look like they got style advice from Justin Bieber. If they kept closer to their old styles and stopped obsessing over turning yellow, this new era wouldn't be so off putting, same can be said for the cheesy dance moves.. really wish they'd stop that, but maybe they want to make us believe instruments can play themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2015 11:39:10 GMT -5
A few weeks ago I was wondering how long until this one would get top 10 and sizzle out (far beyond when the album release date was).
Now I'm wondering if it has already peaked. I never liked this experiment by The Band Perry and I imagined it wouldn't be well-received. But a debut single after quite some time away peaking in the top 20s? Yikes. "Gentle on My Mind" almost out-worked this one...
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Post by sabre14 on Oct 20, 2015 11:54:02 GMT -5
Now I'm wondering if it has already peaked. I never liked this experiment by The Band Perry and I imagined it wouldn't be well-received. But a debut single after quite some time away peaking in the top 20s? Yikes. "Gentle on My Mind" almost out-worked this one... Yeah, it's pretty much evident this one won't make the top 10 and top 20 is looking tougher by the day. "Live Forever" is getting helped out immensely on MB by Westwood One but TBP haven't been getting conversions at the rate they would have liked to, certainly by this point -- this song has lost spins over the past two weeks and has only gained 100 over the past three weeks. The audience gains are an illusion from W1, and those will soon evaporate if "Live Forever" doesn't turn it around soon.
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Post by missbehaving on Oct 20, 2015 14:44:31 GMT -5
A few weeks ago I was wondering how long until this one would get top 10 and sizzle out (far beyond when the album release date was). Now I'm wondering if it has already peaked. I never liked this experiment by The Band Perry and I imagined it wouldn't be well-received. But a debut single after quite some time away peaking in the top 20s? Yikes. "Gentle on My Mind" almost out-worked this one... They need to get back to their signature style and sound. If the next single is Live Forever 2.0 it will do even worse. They should listen to their song Back To Me Without You and follow the message in the chorus. I don't think it's impossible that this might be a peaking point for this song, other songs are jumping ahead and it surely could get knocked out the top 30 soon. Still, I doubt they'll let it die so soon, I'll be surprised if they don't get a performance slot at the CMAs or at least promote it on TV during November. It would be ironic if in their quest to have more relevance they end up losing it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2015 17:43:59 GMT -5
If this keeps struggling, I bet they have a fail safe the kind of the one Taylor had in Red. A neutral song that stands between pop and country (like Begin Again) and if they see Live Forever continuing to struggle, they will release that one. I might be wrong of course, but I feel something like that could happen.
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Post by sabre14 on Oct 22, 2015 9:49:26 GMT -5
"Live Forever" has only gained 140 spins the past three weeks and has broken even in spins over the past seven days. The audience gains have actually been much better on MB than Billboard simply because of Westwood One, but the MB audience has seen a steady downhill slope in October. There's just no way this one can do anything beyond the top 25 and I would think Republic will service a new single before the year is over.
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Post by missbehaving on Oct 22, 2015 11:54:24 GMT -5
It's confirmed that Adele's album is coming November 20. Hits Daily Double leaked that and they also leaked TBP's album name and release date, so I'll take it that they were right about that too. If they keep the date (which they shouldn't) they have to release a new song before the album is out, so if they keep it they might as well pull the plug on this one next month and start over with a second single. If LF is already dying it wouldn't hurt them to release something new next week, just before the CMAs and perform it at the show, like they did with Better Dig Two.
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Post by hosssulpizio on Oct 22, 2015 14:12:44 GMT -5
This song's chart run proves that people don't want TBP to make a crossover pop album. If only they would've chose a better lead single.
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Post by sabre14 on Oct 23, 2015 13:09:09 GMT -5
It's appearing that "Live Forever" has peaked. I know that's jarring to hear but the numbers do not lie. This song has lost 50 spins and over 150k in audience over the past five days and has lost 16 spins over the past two weeks and the only significant audience gains on MB over the past month have been from Westwood One, which has not increased this song's spins any further over the past 10 days.
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Post by dm2081 on Oct 23, 2015 13:51:28 GMT -5
Curious to see what their next move is. Do they try again to force their Pop sound to country radio, or do they go back to the books and try what's worked for them this far? I really hope it's the second option, because another flop with pop sound could sink their career.
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Post by The Brazilian Guy 🇧🇷 on Oct 23, 2015 14:02:14 GMT -5
Curious to see what their next move is. Do they try again to force their Pop sound to country radio, or do they go back to the books and try what's worked for them this far? I really hope it's the second option, because another flop with pop sound could sink their career. Hopefully the latter! As a fan of their previous 2 albums, I was pretty disappointed with this single. Not because of it's pop sound, it wouldn't bother me if it was a great song, but this is such an unmemorable track... it doesn't complement their talent at all.
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Post by tim on Oct 23, 2015 14:03:05 GMT -5
It's appearing that "Live Forever" has peaked. I know that's jarring to hear but the numbers do not lie. Not to my ears its not. This doesn't surprise me at all; an act that had already built its fanbase around one sound and look tried to pull off something that was completely out of step with who they are. In all of their recent appearances for this song they came off as awkward and gimmicky. I agree with dm2081 in that they need to go back to what works for them, even if that means delaying the release of their next record and going back to the drawing board (that's unlikely I'm sure based on the amount of marketing that has been put into their new image). I'd hate to see what would happen to them if they release Heart + Beat and it all around falls flat.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2015 14:24:09 GMT -5
Can't say I'll shed a tear at this song's demise. I understand wanting to branch out and try something different than what you did before, but this Pop move just felt so forced and immature. Maybe they'll learn their lesson and go back to their strengths. This was just not a good song, nor was it a fit for the band or country radio.
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Post by missbehaving on Oct 23, 2015 14:35:00 GMT -5
Curious to see what their next move is. Do they try again to force their Pop sound to country radio, or do they go back to the books and try what's worked for them this far? I really hope it's the second option, because another flop with pop sound could sink their career. The main question on my mind right now is: do they even have a back to the books song on this album? They might go back sound wise maybe for a song or two (which I'm doubtful of to be very honest) but image wise it's impossible to go back imo... the album cover is the point of no return. I'm pretty sure this album is finished and I don't think it's realistic that they'll scratch everything and go back to their signature sound. Given the names they've worked with on this one it probably cost them a significant amount, plus the music video and overall promotion. I think it's all done and ready, at this point there's no going back. They shot themselves on the foot with this one... I doubt it will end their career, but I'm sure they'll lose many fans and support over this. It will also ruin their credibility not only as country artists, but in general too. We'll see what they'll do next but I'll be surprised if they don't follow up with another cheesy pop anthem... might even be one of the songs already shared here that are even worse than LF. I'm sure if that happens they're headed for a commercial failure with this one. I like these guys and all, but sometimes artists will only learn the hard way. I hope it will encourage them to see the light and have a powerful comeback.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Oct 23, 2015 16:09:42 GMT -5
It's appearing that "Live Forever" has peaked. I know that's jarring to hear but the numbers do not lie. This song has lost 50 spins and over 150k in audience over the past five days and has lost 16 spins over the past two weeks and the only significant audience gains on MB over the past month have been from Westwood One, which has not increased this song's spins any further over the past 10 days. I mean it's certainly not good, but those numbers don't really sound all that big to me to come to the conclusion that this has peaked.
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Post by sabre14 on Oct 23, 2015 16:14:11 GMT -5
It's appearing that "Live Forever" has peaked. I know that's jarring to hear but the numbers do not lie. This song has lost 50 spins and over 150k in audience over the past five days and has lost 16 spins over the past two weeks and the only significant audience gains on MB over the past month have been from Westwood One, which has not increased this song's spins any further over the past 10 days. I mean it's certainly not good, but those numbers don't really sound all that big to me to come to the conclusion that this has peaked. Well, considering the entire body of work that is this song's chart run, I seriously doubt this gets much higher. I'm not saying this one will free fall now, as I expect Republic to keep fighting for airplay, but it's been pretty obvious this one has been struggling. The thought that this is in for a long chart run to the top 10 is just unrealistic.
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Post by sabre14 on Oct 24, 2015 13:32:43 GMT -5
Just as I thought..."Live Forever" has peaked. It lost another 61 spins and 200k in audience today and its lost 110 spins and over 400k in audience over the past three days (with over 100 lost net spins and 500k in audience over the past six days). A Thousand Horses, Granger Smith, Dierks Bentley and Zac Brown Band have all leaped this song over the past seven days on MB and "Live Forever" has fallen all the way to #33 on the rolling chart.
I'm fully expecting a new single in the near future.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2015 20:28:40 GMT -5
Hopefully we get something a bit more closer in sound to their previous work. I really tried to get into this but I couldn't for the life of me ever enjoy it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2015 20:47:49 GMT -5
Kind of surprsed they let this one go so soon. I felt that it was clear it wouldn't work out the way they anticipatied, but I still thought they would push it more.
I almost wonder if this means they are going to rework the whole album. Since this song was the "best look into the new album" I can't imagine they are feeling too great about the abrupt and dishonest style change at this point.
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Post by missbehaving on Oct 24, 2015 22:43:15 GMT -5
Hopefully we get something a bit more closer in sound to their previous work. I really tried to get into this but I couldn't for the life of me ever enjoy it. Don't cound on it. Kind of surprsed they let this one go so soon. I felt that it was clear it wouldn't work out the way they anticipatied, but I still thought they would push it more. I almost wonder if this means they are going to rework the whole album. Since this song was the "best look into the new album" I can't imagine they are feeling too great about the abrupt and dishonest style change at this point. It's done and there's no going back... they're not reworking anything, zero, nada. Here's what Kimberly Perry just said to EW: The Band Perry closed out Saturday’s inaugural EW Fest in style: with an intimate performance of the group’s past hits and a first-listen at new music. “We’ve had such a great time [making our new record],” singer Kimberly Perry told EW senior editor Kevin O’Donnell before the band’s concert. “We’re always chasing authenticity, every single album that we put forward.”
Called Heart + Beat, the new album is expected to arrive later this year, and marks a departure for the sibling group, which shot to fame thanks to the crossover hit “If I Die Young.” “We grew up on so many different styles of music – everything from Michael Jackson to Loretta Lynn to The Rolling Stones,” Perry said. “This third effort really has us embracing more of our pop side than we have previously. We’re pop-tarts at heart.”
- That's it! Can't be more clear than this... again insisting on telling us how "authentic" new sound and image is... sure, we're all believing it Kimberly says it's right around the corner, and as the article says it... which means it's probably still coming out this year, maybe on November 20. She also says they worked with Jeff Bhasker... so a new name to add to the list. Video interview is here, TBP retweeted the article: www.ew.com/article/2015/10/24/band-perry-heart-beat-ew-festI've accepted that they're heading for a huge flop this new era... by the sounds of it so have TBP, but I'm not sure if they know it yet. If not, Live Forever should ring a bell. Anyone hoping for a signature sound next single is being delusional, it's pretty obvious it's not going to happen and likely there's no such song in the album. They played new music at the EW fest... I'll try to find it if it gets shared online. The fact that for the second time they're performing new music live means to me that the Nov 20 release might really happen.
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Post by sabre14 on Oct 24, 2015 23:32:05 GMT -5
Kind of surprsed they let this one go so soon. I felt that it was clear it wouldn't work out the way they anticipatied, but I still thought they would push it more. I almost wonder if this means they are going to rework the whole album. Since this song was the "best look into the new album" I can't imagine they are feeling too great about the abrupt and dishonest style change at this point. I don't think Republic has "given up" all together (at least as of yesterday's update -- we could very well see a big loss tomorrow and seal that this one is finished) but I'm sure they see that this isn't going too well. Radio just hasn't responded to this song. The bottom could fall out on this one any day though. To add on missbehaving's point, no, they're not reworking anything. I don't even think TBP have thought about if this might be a under performing era. I mean, I'm sure they've paid attention to "Live Forever's" lackluster radio performance thus far, but I don't think they deep down think this era will flop, and Republic will probably be selecting their next single with the utmost caution. This band and label have made a crucial decision to make a change in their music and with the album done and all the money spent on promotion so far, I don't think they'll sacrifice anything to go back into the studio to re-cut some new tracks. It definitely appears though that "Live Forever" was a huge mistake.
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Post by missbehaving on Oct 24, 2015 23:33:20 GMT -5
They performed the reggae influenced song "In It Together", previously shared here and the person who recorded says it's a "single coming soon". I guess the info was shared by the band while on stage. Here is the new clip: http://instagr.am/p/9PiWxIonSu
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Post by sabre14 on Oct 24, 2015 23:54:00 GMT -5
^ Yikes. It's like attempting career assassination, one single at a time, imo.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2015 0:16:40 GMT -5
^ Yikes. It's like attempting career assassination, one single at a time, imo. If we die young, bury us in yellow
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Post by dm2081 on Oct 25, 2015 0:17:06 GMT -5
Lmao this band is a joke and a downright embarrassment. There's no sugar coating it anymore, they've sold out. They can say whatever they want, but they either started out as fakes or they've turned into fakes. One does not simply change their whole music direction so sharply without being phony in some sorts. I'm glad country music rejected this song, and I hope they continue to give them the cold shoulder. That "In It Together" song makes Sam Hunt look like Conway Twitty.
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Post by missbehaving on Oct 25, 2015 0:59:43 GMT -5
^ Yikes. It's like attempting career assassination, one single at a time, imo. We're all witnessing career suicide right here... Lmao this band is a joke and a downright embarrassment. There's no sugar coating it anymore, they've sold out. They can say whatever they want, but they either started out as fakes or they've turned into fakes. One does not simply change their whole music direction so sharply without being phony in some sorts. I'm glad country music rejected this song, and I hope they continue to give them the cold shoulder. That "In It Together" song makes Sam Hunt look like Conway Twitty. While I still think they were genuine on the debut album era, I always thought they got in country music more to make it big rather than having a passion for it. They never seemed to be big country fans and have been name dropping whatever pop and hip hop star is hot at the moment since day one... it's not new. They'd be asked who they want to collab with and it was always a pop/hip pop artist, fave artist at the moment and it was always pop/hip hop, fave songs and they were always pop/hip hop. Just by watching and reading this in interviews I figured out they weren't as passionate about country music as they claimed to be. I'm not completely surprised they went pop and I believe they actually are "pop-tarts at heart". I also think the fame and money got to their heads. They're obviously chasing that with this new era and because they can't just admit it, they keep trying to give us the kool-aid by saying how authentic they are. Too bad so far they're not getting what they want and I hope country music continues to give them the cold shoulder too. They definitely deserve it. The lead single flopping is an obvious wake up call and they're still carrying on with their shameless greedy gimmicks. I have no idea who on Earth at their label thought In It Together will do better... it will be the song that will turn off anyone who still has hope for this album. Are they still thinking about releasing the same day as a Adele... with LF and now this carrying it? Good luck with that!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2015 7:13:37 GMT -5
Today's update shows -110 spins and -0.592 audience. Looks done.
I knew they should have taken heed of Jake Owen's "Real Life" warning but they didn't. I think Jake will make out fine because it seems Sony is having him rework the CD a bit (our assumption).
Of course I'm sure BMLG is all for TBP going forward with their Thomas Rhettification.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2015 10:07:12 GMT -5
I am so happy this flopped badly. Occasionally country radio gets it right now if we can have Beautiful Drug and Breakup In A Smalltown flop then me and country radio will get along really well then. In all seriousness though it is clear that The Band Perry went in too deep with this crossover attempt. It's failing really badly for them, and like sabre14 said In It Together is career assassination here. I'm wondering what Big Machine and Republic are going to do though just that entire branch of Big Machine. These crossover pop songs are failing one at a time, first you have Eli Young Band failing with Turn It On and Honey I'm Good now you have The Band Perry basically flopping with Live Forever and probably there next song won't do much better given all this info. If I was Big Machine I would try to just put the album out not much hype nothing. Then have The Band Perry go back to the studio and make music more in line of their first two albums (yes even though I still found Pioneer to be more uneven then flat out bad). Same thing goes basically for the Eli Young Band and since I'm starting to think it won't get released get Daniellle Bradbery back in the studio and scrap Friend Zone and make music similar to her debut album. These attempts aren't working none of the acts I have mentioned above don't have the star power to do these crossover attempts and radio is showing there not fans either. So my hope is that Big Machine has finally learned their lesson and will go back to for some of these acts the music that made fans really like them.
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Post by sabre14 on Oct 25, 2015 10:54:24 GMT -5
Yeah, Republic Nashville pulled promotion for this.
There's no doubt, this one flopped at radio. I mentioned at the two week mark of "Live Forever's" chart run that it could very well end up backfiring and that's exactly what happened.
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