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Post by kml567 on Oct 19, 2015 23:56:38 GMT -5
Yeah, it's gotta be the new tour announcement. He was planning to announce last Friday, but realized it conflicted with Aldean's tour announcement date, so Luke postponed it.
I wonder if LBT will be the middle act, especially with "Home Alone Tonight" being released sooner or later. LBT still hasn't been able to attain a large enough fanbase to headline large-size amphitheaters on their own, so they may sign up for Luke's stadium tour as the middle act.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Oct 19, 2015 23:58:03 GMT -5
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Post by bksouthga on Oct 20, 2015 7:18:37 GMT -5
I must say that I think this chart is a bunch of crap. I like the fact that it calls out what songs they sing these notes in so that you can go back and listen. I listened to "Mystery train" because it was hard to fathom that Elvis Pressley ever sang A whole octave above Luke Bryan's highest note. Well, he didn't. He lets out some sort of hoot sound at the end that is well into falsetto range. So apparently this chart takes into account every hoot, holler, scream, and squeal uttered by an artist. I sing, and while I don't consider myself to be a great singer, I think I'm fairly good, and I have a little over two octaves in my normal range. I admit that my falsetto range is very limited. Still, the idea that the majority of the singers have 3 to 4 octaves of vocal range is ridiculous. If you can find anyone who is scraping three without going to falsetto that's pretty impressive. And there definitely are people on the chart who are freaks of nature. However, I will bet any sum of money that someone is willing to lose that Miley Cyrus has never in her life sung a note higher than Aretha Franklin. Luke's range quoted is two octaves, which honestly is maybe more than I thought he had. You will notice that there are no other male modern country singers on the list at all. So I think it's a bit unfair to compare Luke and the style of music that he sings to the entire natural and falsetto ranges all of the singers. Is Luke a better singer than Steve Perry? No. But based on this chart, I don't think one can claim that his voice is any more limited than anyone else out there right now (other than Chris Young).
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Oct 20, 2015 10:37:09 GMT -5
^ An average untrained singer will have about an octave and a half. And I'm not basing the "Luke has a narrow range" comment entirely on the study; I'm basing it also on my own ears and what Musicnotes.com gives for the vocal range on his sheet music. Two octaves sounds about right for Luke. I've never heard him sing a note that I couldn't hit myself (I can only go about as low as Bb2) or go falsetto (which I can do easily). Most country males are in roughly the same range (except for outliers like Gary LeVox or Trace Adkins), but I've found that they usually tend to have more room at both ends of their range than Luke does, even if they don't always use it in every song.
But vocal range and technique are not the same thing, as anyone who got tired of Martina McBellow in the 2000s can tell you. She actually has a wide lower range for a soprano (not many sopranos can get below middle C, but she was going as low as F#3, the F# below Middle C, on "A Broken Wing"), but her habit of BELTING EVERYTHING FULL FORCE made her songs feel bloated. Conversely, someone like Tim McGraw doesn't seem to have a particularly exceptional vocal range, but on a technical level, I find that he is a generally strong interpreter of songs, by merit of how he changes his delivery to fit the style of the song, as well as the increased warmth his voice has gotten with age. So with Luke, it's not so much the lack of vocal range per se, but the way it meets with his lack of stylistic range.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2015 11:43:08 GMT -5
Very similar situation to "Burnin' It Down" which ironically peaked these same two weeks last year. Very low peak numbers Luke will reach here and if the competition were tougher SID could very well have missed #1 (probably due to some high negatives on callout charts). But due to great timing Luke will get a two-week #1 with a song that actually started struggling around the penthouse. If Big Machine weren't such a failure of a label Florida Georgia Line would be in a perfect position to knock Luke out of the top spot this week (assuming they didn't get there before Luke).
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Post by dm2081 on Oct 20, 2015 12:04:37 GMT -5
Very similar situation to "Burnin' It Down" which ironically peaked these same two weeks last year. Very low peak numbers Luke will reach here and if the competition were tougher SID could very well have missed #1 (probably due to some high negatives on callout charts). But due to great timing Luke will get a two-week #1 with a song that actually started struggling around the penthouse. If Big Machine weren't such a failure of a label Florida Georgia Line would be in a perfect position to knock Luke out of the top spot this week (assuming they didn't get there before Luke). The reason Luke doesn't have more airplay is because he didn't need it. I'm sure his label could have beat any song they wanted to in a race, but nobody was foolish enough to challenge Luke this week. Why would his label bother to push extra resources into simply gaining a small fraction more of audience? Luke still has room to grow this week for a second week on top, so it works out well for them. Had there been actual competition for the #1 spot then I'm confident we would have seen a bigger push for airplay. Also, I think Big Machine is being wise by waiting "Strip It Down" out. There's no point to rush the song for Max airplay if all signs point to it being a battle. Luke will get his 2 weeks and then FGL will secure their turn the next week. Smart play in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2015 12:46:50 GMT -5
^But there's almost definitely going to be a battle here. RCA is in a very strong position to block "Anything Goes" with "Break up with Him" next week. Big Machine's best bet is to push for a Billboard #1 this week, and worry about Mediabase next week. Honestly, though, I think this week may be a photo finish between Luke and Old Dominion for the Billboard #1.
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Post by Marv on Oct 20, 2015 13:08:52 GMT -5
DM2081 nailed it-8,300+ spins got Luke to #1---mission accomplished, no?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2015 14:48:48 GMT -5
Capitol wants two weeks for this, so the mission isn't fully accomplished just yet. But this has really high negatives on the MB National Callout report, so I don't doubt that radio was showing just a bit of resistance towards this. The only songs with higher negative rates are "Yup," "Fly," "Dibs," "I Got the Boy," and "White Lightning," all of which have received resistance from radio. If this weren't a Luke Bryan single, it might not have even gotten to #1 as easily. I think Capitol will definitely have a bit of a challenge getting a second week at #1. "Anything Goes" is actually in a similar situation to this. It's burned through a lot of top 10 weeks (partially thanks to Big Machine) and it has high negative and burn rates, which is why Big Machine really couldn't afford to stall it the way they did.
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Post by sabre14 on Oct 21, 2015 14:52:07 GMT -5
WFUS in Tampa has started playing "Just Over". I'm certainly not saying that's the next single but they're owned by iHeartMedia and the rarely play album tracks (other than "Raised On It" by Sam Hunt, which they've been playing for an eternity).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2015 15:43:10 GMT -5
WFUS in Tampa has started playing "Just Over". I'm certainly not saying that's the next single but they're owned by iHeartMedia and the rarely play album tracks (other than "Raised On It" by Sam Hunt, which they've been playing for an eternity). That would be a pick out of left field. After seeing the tour announcement have the same name as the album, I was certain "Kill the Lights" would be next. I also assumed that "Home Alone Tonight" was a good bet too. Both songs do little for me and the latter half of the album is FULL of better options ("Just Over" being one of them). Seeing as this song is already losing audience, somewhat surprisingly, I'm betting we get the new single announcement sooner rather than later.
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Post by matty005 on Oct 21, 2015 15:45:28 GMT -5
WFUS in Tampa has started playing "Just Over". I'm certainly not saying that's the next single but they're owned by iHeartMedia and the rarely play album tracks (other than "Raised On It" by Sam Hunt, which they've been playing for an eternity). That is my favorite song on the album. This is my least favorite Luke album by far, but I really do enjoy that song.
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Post by dm2081 on Oct 21, 2015 16:01:34 GMT -5
WFUS in Tampa has started playing "Just Over". I'm certainly not saying that's the next single but they're owned by iHeartMedia and the rarely play album tracks (other than "Raised On It" by Sam Hunt, which they've been playing for an eternity). That would be a bizarre choice. It's not a bad song, but it just seems like so many other songs are more popular right now.
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Post by zjames on Oct 21, 2015 18:29:35 GMT -5
Give me "To The Moon And Back", "Fast", or "Scarecrows" and I'll be happy. I also think "Just Over" is pretty good for what it's worth.
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Post by dm2081 on Oct 21, 2015 18:42:34 GMT -5
Give me "To The Moon And Back", "Fast", or "Scarecrows" and I'll be happy. I also think "Just Over" is pretty good for what it's worth. Agreed. I also would be okay with "Huntin', Fishin' and Lovin' Every Day" or "Way Way Back", which sounds like a Tanlines & Tailgates leftover.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2015 18:48:30 GMT -5
I guess we won't know until "Strip It Down"'s run is "Just Over" ;)
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Post by carriekins on Oct 21, 2015 18:58:10 GMT -5
Give me "To The Moon And Back", "Fast", or "Scarecrows" and I'll be happy. I also think "Just Over" is pretty good for what it's worth. Agreed. I also would be okay with "Huntin', Fishin' and Lovin' Every Day" or "Way Way Back", which sounds like a Tanlines & Tailgates leftover. Pretty much any of these would be fine with me. Just no "Move," "Kill the Lights" or "Home Alone Tonight." :) Edit because I L-O-V-E "Fast" and H-A-T-E "Move" and had to edit that. Grief.
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Oct 21, 2015 19:06:16 GMT -5
To the Moon and Back or Way Way Back pls
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2015 19:17:24 GMT -5
I love "Huntin, Fishin" and "Move" and "Love it Gone."
Actually the best song on the album is on the Target version, "Little Boys Grow Up and Dogs Get Old." Got a real Mo Pitney vibe.
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Post by CoJoFan on Oct 23, 2015 16:58:39 GMT -5
Looks like the third single may be "Just Over" as it has gotten 15 new spins this week on Mediabase. I have no official confirmation it will be the third single though.
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Post by sabre14 on Oct 23, 2015 17:04:57 GMT -5
Looks like the third single may be "Just Over" as it has gotten 15 new spins this week on Mediabase. I have no official confirmation it will be the third single though. I mentioned this up the page. All the spins are coming from WFUS in Tampa (iHeartMedia).
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Post by bksouthga on Oct 25, 2015 23:38:34 GMT -5
Conversely, someone like Tim McGraw doesn't seem to have a particularly exceptional vocal range, but on a technical level, I find that he is a generally strong interpreter of songs, by merit of how he changes his delivery to fit the style of the song, as well as the increased warmth his voice has gotten with age. So with Luke, it's not so much the lack of vocal range per se, but the way it meets with his lack of stylistic range. TPH, not to beat a dead horse, but I haven't been able to get this one off my mind. I'm trying to understand what you mean by Luke's lack of stylistic range or emotional flatness. I've tried to imagine in the "mind's ear" what Luke would sound like in this world and I can't really hear it. I'll take three of Luke's songs for comparison: "Rain is a Good Thing" (fun and playful), "I See You" (fairly serious), and "Drink a Beer" (probably his saddest). If I listen to those, I don't really hear the "sameness", other than that they all sound like Luke Bryan. And to me, that is what makes a career as much as anything. You don't have to have a great voice, but you have to have a distinctive one. You mentioned Tim. He's definitely got that. I can identify Tim in three notes or less. And I can say the same for many others who have longevity in this business: Kenny, Strait, Alan, Clint, Travis, Blake, Charles Kelley, Dierks, the list goes on. So I guess I'm not sure exactly what you're wanting from Luke that he's not doing.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Oct 26, 2015 0:10:38 GMT -5
Conversely, someone like Tim McGraw doesn't seem to have a particularly exceptional vocal range, but on a technical level, I find that he is a generally strong interpreter of songs, by merit of how he changes his delivery to fit the style of the song, as well as the increased warmth his voice has gotten with age. So with Luke, it's not so much the lack of vocal range per se, but the way it meets with his lack of stylistic range. TPH, not to beat a dead horse, but I haven't been able to get this one off my mind. I'm trying to understand what you mean by Luke's lack of stylistic range or emotional flatness. I've tried to imagine in the "mind's ear" what Luke would sound like in this world and I can't really hear it. I'll take three of Luke's songs for comparison: "Rain is a Good Thing" (fun and playful), "I See You" (fairly serious), and "Drink a Beer" (probably his saddest). If I listen to those, I don't really hear the "sameness", other than that they all sound like Luke Bryan. And to me, that is what makes a career as much as anything. You don't have to have a great voice, but you have to have a distinctive one. You mentioned Tim. He's definitely got that. I can identify Tim in three notes or less. And I can say the same for many others who have longevity in this business: Kenny, Strait, Alan, Clint, Travis, Blake, Charles Kelley, Dierks, the list goes on. So I guess I'm not sure exactly what you're wanting from Luke that he's not doing. I agree that Luke has a distinctive sound to his voice, in terms of timbre, that makes him instantly recognizable. But to my ears at least, he seems to sing everything exactly the same way His delivery on his more fun songs like "Rain Is a Good Thing" or "Country Girl (Shake It for Me)" or "That's My Kind of Night" sounds almost no different to my ears than his delivery on a more serious song like "I See You" or "Do I" or "Drink a Beer", or an in-between song like "Someone Else Calling You Baby". I just find his voice very monotonous and cold, like there's almost never any emotion in how he sings. As I said, he does seem to halfheartedly try a "lighter" delivery on some of his ballads, but it still sounds barely any different to me than the way he sings on his upbeat songs. To my ears, there's overall almost no variation in dynamics (singing louder and more forcefully, or softer and more restrained), no "looseness" to his fun material, no intimacy to his "sexy" songs, or overall, much of any attempts at singing ANYthing differently from going completely middle-of-the-road all the time.
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Post by someguy on Oct 26, 2015 0:14:50 GMT -5
I'm glad to see this get a second week at #1. Not that I love the song or anything, but it's nice to see a big hit stay a little longer at #1 instead of plummeting right after hitting the top to keep the revolving door turning.
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Post by bboat11 on Oct 26, 2015 0:35:38 GMT -5
Conversely, someone like Tim McGraw doesn't seem to have a particularly exceptional vocal range, but on a technical level, I find that he is a generally strong interpreter of songs, by merit of how he changes his delivery to fit the style of the song, as well as the increased warmth his voice has gotten with age. So with Luke, it's not so much the lack of vocal range per se, but the way it meets with his lack of stylistic range. TPH, not to beat a dead horse, but I haven't been able to get this one off my mind. I'm trying to understand what you mean by Luke's lack of stylistic range or emotional flatness. I've tried to imagine in the "mind's ear" what Luke would sound like in this world and I can't really hear it. I'll take three of Luke's songs for comparison: "Rain is a Good Thing" (fun and playful), "I See You" (fairly serious), and "Drink a Beer" (probably his saddest). If I listen to those, I don't really hear the "sameness", other than that they all sound like Luke Bryan. And to me, that is what makes a career as much as anything. You don't have to have a great voice, but you have to have a distinctive one. You mentioned Tim. He's definitely got that. I can identify Tim in three notes or less. And I can say the same for many others who have longevity in this business: Kenny, Strait, Alan, Clint, Travis, Blake, Charles Kelley, Dierks, the list goes on. So I guess I'm not sure exactly what you're wanting from Luke that he's not doing. I agree with Ten Pound Hammer about Luke's lack of stylistic range, so I will contribute my thoughts. To me the three songs you listed (RIAGT, ISY, and DAB) are really good examples of songs that do sound different, but not nearly as different as they should based on their lyrics and subject matter. Vocally, they all sound exactly the same. It is more than just Luke having a distinctive voice; they are simply all sung in exactly the same way. The only thing that makes them different is their tempo, production, and melodies. "Rain Is A Good Thing" is only fun and playful because it is an uptempo song with funny lyrics, while "Drink A Beer" is only sad because it is a slow song with introspective lyrics. Luke, however, sounds EXACTLY the same to me. Compare him to somebody like Reba. Reba is a vocalist who can milk every ounce of emotion out of every syllable of every word, and constantly uses that power to her advantage. She ranges from super angry and sassy (like "Take It Back" or "Why Haven't I Heard From You") to super sad ("She Thinks His Name Was John", "And Still"), and can hit every emotion in between. She also has a distinctive voice; there is no question that "Whoever's In New England" and "The Heart Is A Lonely Hunter" are Reba songs within like 1 second of the vocals starting. And yet there are no similarities whatsoever between the vocal deliveries of those songs. When she wants to sound heartbroken, she sings like she is literally going through the most hellacious breakup of her life. When she wants to sound happy, she sings like she is elated. And when she wants to sound sassy, she sings like she is actually jaded and scorned by a lover and wants to kick them to the curb. Luke, by comparison, simply sings. There is no question that he has a fine voice. But there are masterful vocalists who can add an entire new level of perspective to their songs based on how they interpret and deliver them. Luke, in my opinion, has demonstrated extreme talent for choosing songs that can sell themselves regardless of vocal interpretation. He will never have a "Fancy", because that is the type of song that really has to be sold through its delivery. Reba sells that song, and it is a particularly distinctive song because of how thoroughly and effectively she sold it. As a result, that song is distinctively hers, and it is not likely that anyone could ever do it any better than her. Luke, on the other hand, does not have a single song that is distinctively his. "Drink A Beer", "Country Girl (Shake It For Me)", "That's My Kind Of Night", "Roller Coaster", etc. are all unique and diverse songs in their own way, but Luke does literally nothing vocally that any other singer could not do (as long as they have the proper range). If Jason Aldean sang "I See You", there would be literally nobody saying, "Dang, I think Luke Bryan could have sung this so much better." That is why it is my opinion that, while he does have a nice voice, there is nothing about his deliveries that helps the listener connect on an emotional level.
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Post by bksouthga on Oct 26, 2015 7:17:24 GMT -5
^bboat11, thank you for the excellent and thorough explanation. Totally agree with you about Reba, she's fantastic and has been for very long time. I seem to hear more stylistic variation among female singers,so I started to try to think about Country dudes that do this. TPH, I have to disagree with you about Tim. My ears do not really hear any variation in his delivery, Any more than yours do with Luke. Don't get me wrong, I like Tim and his music a lot. I am open to changing my opinion on this if you can give me a couple of good examples. I find this to be the case with many other male singers as well. I would now like to suggest a male singer who I think does an excellent job with this: Zac Brown. Thoughts?
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Post by Marv on Oct 26, 2015 10:04:10 GMT -5
I agree about his vocal limitations; granted 'Drink A Beer' was his way of paying homage/tribute to a very dear friend of his, but to me he simply doesn't have the timbre in his voice that a legend such as Alan Jackson does.
I wouldn't want to hear Luke take on a scintillating somber song such as 'Remember When' for that reason, but a light-hearted romp such as 'It's 5:00 Somewhere' or 'Little Bitty' would be every bit of a piece of cake for Luke as were his earlier hits such as 'Rain Is A Good Thing' or 'Country Girl'.
That's my two cents, anyway.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Oct 26, 2015 10:50:12 GMT -5
Yeah, I definitely don't feel much in the way of emotion from Luke Bryan's delivery and maybe that's low-key why he keeps those songs to a minimum because they aren't exactly what he does 'best' vocally. I just wish his up-tempos were stronger on the whole to make up for that...
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Post by onebuffalo on Nov 4, 2015 11:13:37 GMT -5
#1 in Canada!
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