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Post by onebuffalo on Dec 29, 2015 18:18:44 GMT -5
I hope this does not get to #1. Otherwise, I'll have to take off Jason Aldean's name off the #2s list. First time that will happen.
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Post by dm2081 on Dec 29, 2015 19:49:02 GMT -5
I hope this does not get to #1. Otherwise, I'll have to take off Jason Aldean's name off the #2s list. First time that will happen. But then you can move him up on the #1 list!
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Post by onebuffalo on Dec 30, 2015 8:37:07 GMT -5
I hope this does not get to #1. Otherwise, I'll have to take off Jason Aldean's name off the #2s list. First time that will happen. But then you can move him up on the #1 list! Because you said so, I will do it.
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Post by trebor on Dec 30, 2015 18:18:51 GMT -5
sabre14 May I kindly ask for an update! [ Please?] It looks as Thomas Rhett is still outpacing Jason. I'm a total yutz at reading the daily updates... (I actually never do!) lol :) Thanks, man! :)
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Post by sabre14 on Dec 30, 2015 18:31:48 GMT -5
Jason lost 22 spins today and barring an absolutely massive four day push, Thomas should take both charts. Broken Bow would have to make up 400 spins and nearly 4.0 million in audience from now until Sunday, and I don't see that happening. That's also assuming "Die A Happy Man" stays flat, which also isn't likely.
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Post by Marv on Dec 30, 2015 18:38:09 GMT -5
Is Thomas Rhett still gaining spins and AIs @ Billboard?
If the answer is yes, then JA might not get to #1 @ Mediabase barring a Borchetta-like power move from Jason's label.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2015 18:43:09 GMT -5
Nope It'll take a Canaan Smith type push to even have a shot. I just wanna see this bore fest of a song goes.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2015 19:17:57 GMT -5
Why is this one automatically destined to fall after this weekend? I know that's what they were going for originally but why can't the label pull an audible and push for another week? Jason's obviously a way bigger artist than LOCASH or BrOs, his song is 2 and 4 months younger (respectively) and is pulling better passion at iTunes right now (albeit helped by a 1/2 price sale). I agree this is a very lackluster performance from the rocker and I'm ready to see what he has in store for us next, but why can't BBR push for another week?
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Post by .indulgecountry on Dec 30, 2015 19:49:33 GMT -5
Why is this one automatically destined to fall after this weekend? I know that's what they were going for originally but why can't the label pull an audible and push for another week? Jason's obviously a way bigger artist than LOCASH or BrOs, his song is 2 and 4 months younger (respectively) and is pulling better passion at iTunes right now (albeit helped by a 1/2 price sale). I agree this is a very lackluster performance from the rocker and I'm ready to see what he has in store for us next, but why can't BBR push for another week? This one has already been sitting in the Top 3 for weeks now and radio is not going to keep allowing it to do that, especially since they've been pushing it. They can't just keep doing that - the bottom has to fall out, and I believe this will be the last week it will be able to sustain gaining, especially since Thomas Rhett looks pretty untouchable right now for the top spot. "Gonna Know We Were Here" is definitely past its expiration date.
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Post by kml567 on Dec 30, 2015 19:59:17 GMT -5
BBR is saving all the money for a push on 1/3-1/9 for Mediabase #1. Jason will be co-hosting on CC-USA with an extra spin on 1/3, which will count towards the 1/3-1/9 chart week on Mediabase. Since everyone's on holiday, there's really no one to "work the phones" and push for #1 this week. It makes much more sense to push next week (1/3-1/9) when radio PDs are back from holiday break and ready to modify their playlists.
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Post by sabre14 on Dec 30, 2015 20:23:14 GMT -5
^ Well, that's just poor management on Broken Bow's part then since they already let it be known to stations that they originally wanted a push of December 27th to January 3rd...now they changed their minds and want the following week -- it's not exactly cheap to get ads like the one they put up in Aircheck. I don't think there's much a label can do to make radio stations upset these days...but that's a good way to do it -- I wouldn't like that at all if I'm a program director and knowing that I have plenty of songs that I know my listeners want to hear in the top 5 ("Die A Happy Man", "I Love This Life", "Stay A Little Longer", "Break Up In A Small Town"), I don't know why any label would bend to such nonsense like that, other than pure bribing, which of course is illegal.
This song's airplay being leveled off (if that's still what the promotion department at BBR is attempting to do) is perhaps my least favorite maneuver in manipulation this year, outside of the insane push to grab #1 on both charts by UMG/Mercury Nashville for "Love You Like That."
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Post by myeverything on Dec 31, 2015 12:42:02 GMT -5
Things happen though.. Even though one may think they have the charts all figured out, things do happen. If the label had wanted an original date and it didn't end up happening, why wouldn't they try for a different week if the chance was still there? I know it's a lot of money but if they really want it, they're gonna do it. I don't see anything wrong with it.. I don't think it hurts much just to at least ask. Worst that's gonna happen is they don't get it at this point. Unless I'm really missing something here, what do they have to loose?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2015 12:49:55 GMT -5
Things happen though.. Even though one may think they have the charts all figured out, things do happen. If the label had wanted an original date and it didn't end up happening, why wouldn't they try for a different week if the chance was still there? I know it's a lot of money but if they really want it, they're gonna do it. I don't see anything wrong with it.. I don't think it hurts much just to at least ask. Worst that's gonna happen is they don't get it at this point. Unless I'm really missing something here, what do they have to loose? Radio has clearly shown they are more than ready to move on from this non event of a song.
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Post by sabre14 on Dec 31, 2015 13:49:35 GMT -5
Things happen though.. Even though one may think they have the charts all figured out, things do happen. If the label had wanted an original date and it didn't end up happening, why wouldn't they try for a different week if the chance was still there? I know it's a lot of money but if they really want it, they're gonna do it. I don't see anything wrong with it.. I don't think it hurts much just to at least ask. Worst that's gonna happen is they don't get it at this point. Unless I'm really missing something here, what do they have to loose? Broken Bow has nothing to lose. The label is owned by a very wealthy owner (Benny Brown) and they have plenty of money, resources and good will to attempt this #1 push for what seems like an eternity. I would not like it though if I ran a station, even though not being best buds with the promotion staff like I'm sure many stations are certainly helps me say that, but that's another topic all together. "Gonna Know We Were Here" has been in the Mediabase top 5 for six weeks now and that's a really long time in 2015, especially for a song from a format superstar that had a quick rise up the chart. It's still some poor management on Broken Bow's part for jumping the gun and requesting max spins for #1 the week of December 27th, knowing that 1) they had a monster hit blocking their way and 2) the audience and spin numbers would naturally go back up after the deep decreases from the Christmas holiday. It shouldn't have been difficult to forecast that. They can do what they wish but this song still getting pushed at this point is, imo, stupid. This label is clearly hell bent on calling their single at #1 and that's the norm for this day and age. We'll see if radio does bend over backwards for them if they do push this song through next weekend, which makes my head hurt just typing that.
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Post by Marv on Dec 31, 2015 19:29:03 GMT -5
The label isn't going to pull support on this tune at this point after stating their strategy loud and clear with that CA ad; it's still hideous manipulation any way you slice it. We'll find out soon if radio has yielded to their wishes.
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Post by SoMuchToSay on Dec 31, 2015 19:56:53 GMT -5
I would love to see I Love This Life jump up and block this!
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Post by Mr. Thonk Eyes on Dec 31, 2015 20:45:15 GMT -5
I would love to see I Love This Life jump up and block this! I think most of us are rooting for LoCash to block Jason in this case.
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Post by dm2081 on Jan 1, 2016 13:26:32 GMT -5
"I Love This Life" is just as generic if not even more than "Gonna Know We Were Here", so I see no reason why that song is anymore deserving of #1. It's been charting for an eternity too, can't wait to see it leave the charts.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jan 1, 2016 13:34:04 GMT -5
"I Love This Life" is just as generic if not even more than "Gonna Know We Were Here", so I see no reason why that song is anymore deserving of #1. It's been charting for an eternity too, can't wait to see it leave the charts. "I Love This Life" has been selling pretty well for quite awhile. It's clearly been the more popular hit among the two, not that these two songs need even really be compared this way.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2016 18:00:24 GMT -5
"I Love This Life" is just as generic if not even more than "Gonna Know We Were Here", so I see no reason why that song is anymore deserving of #1. It's been charting for an eternity too, can't wait to see it leave the charts. "I Love This Life" has been selling pretty well for quite awhile. It's clearly been the more popular hit among the two, not that these two songs need even really be compared this way. But is that a fair metric since this is Jason's 4th single and surely a lot of fans didn't need to buy the song since they have probably already bought the whole album? I just can't see any way to compare which has been the bigger hit. Both are fairly generic driving rockers. I like 'em both enough.
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Post by bboat11 on Jan 1, 2016 18:50:21 GMT -5
"I Love This Life" has been selling pretty well for quite awhile. It's clearly been the more popular hit among the two, not that these two songs need even really be compared this way. But is that a fair metric since this is Jason's 4th single and surely a lot of fans didn't need to buy the song since they have probably already bought the whole album? I just can't see any way to compare which has been the bigger hit. Both are fairly generic driving rockers. I like 'em both enough. Well considering this has been LoCash's first really big hit, it has done quite a bit to put them on the map and generate at least a little bit of buzz for them in the general public. But for Jason, it is just another same-old-same-old hit, which has done well because he is a superstar, but otherwise has done nothing to expand his popularity or generate any buzz for him whatsoever. That is the only way I can see to fairly compare the songs. They are both decent-sized hits in their own right, but I feel like in 20 years people will remember "I Love This Life" as "the first big hit of that one duo who didn't have any money" and they will remember "Gonna Know We Were Here" as "one of those Luke Aldean songs".
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jan 1, 2016 19:07:23 GMT -5
"I Love This Life" has been selling pretty well for quite awhile. It's clearly been the more popular hit among the two, not that these two songs need even really be compared this way. But is that a fair metric since this is Jason's 4th single and surely a lot of fans didn't need to buy the song since they have probably already bought the whole album? I just can't see any way to compare which has been the bigger hit. Both are fairly generic driving rockers. I like 'em both enough. Yes, it is. Jason Aldean's single sales have never been this low and you know that. His last two releases weren't hot sellers, and this one has been selling downright awful for pretty much it's whole run for a Jason Aldean single, fourth release from the album or not. For instance, "Night Train" was one of the best-selling singles off his last record despite being fourth. The abysmal sales for this single just cannot be chalked up to 'it's the fourth single from the album' because even then, usually Jason Aldean's singles still sell pretty well (damn near everything he's put out to radio in his career has gone at least Gold, besides this single, his last one, and "Relentless").
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2016 19:39:42 GMT -5
But is that a fair metric since this is Jason's 4th single and surely a lot of fans didn't need to buy the song since they have probably already bought the whole album? I just can't see any way to compare which has been the bigger hit. Both are fairly generic driving rockers. I like 'em both enough. Yes, it is. Jason Aldean's single sales have never been this low and you know that. His last two releases weren't hot sellers, and this one has been selling downright awful for pretty much it's whole run for a Jason Aldean single, fourth release from the album or not. For instance, "Night Train" was one of the best-selling singles off his last record despite being fourth. The abysmal sales for this single just cannot be chalked up to 'it's the fourth single from the album' because even then, usually Jason Aldean's singles still sell pretty well (damn near everything he's put out to radio in his career has gone at least Gold, besides this single, his last one, and "Relentless"). Fair enough. I think the low sales are probably more attributed to his relatively mediocre performance on this CD. It's not a bad CD all around, but it's just not anything special. He had a couple head-scratchers that probably threw his core fans a bit of a curveball. Between "Burnin' it Down", "Tonight Looks Good on You" and "Sweet Little Somethin'", I have to imagine some of his career-long fans were a little upset. Aldean was my favorite artist, above all others, up until he released this CD. Even aside from those songs that really aren't his style, some of the other stuff just seemed like he was mailing it in. I mean, "Laid Back", "Sweet Little Somethin'", "I Took it With Me", and "Gonna Know We Were Here" are all pretty interchangeable in terms of sound. "Too Fast" and "Two Night Town" could have been career songs for him (along the lines of "The Truth", "Big Green Tractor") but instead he released 2 slow-jam love songs ("Burnin' it Down", "Tonight Looks Good on You") and 2 generic singalongs with no lasting value ("Just Gettin' Started", "Gonna Know We Were Here"). I think the bad sales are probably most attributable to that. Even "Old Boots, New Dirt" is a lasting song. I understand as an artist and a businessman you are trying to release certain songs for certain reasons, but goodness gracious to leave "Too Fast", "Two Night Town" and "Old Boots, New Dirt" on the shelf after release the four he did release is just extremely disappointing.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jan 1, 2016 19:50:07 GMT -5
Yeah, that's my point. The single choices for his most recent album have been completely wrong and the way that this one in particular has sold is all the proof necessary to support that. It has little to do with a general decrease in digital sales as an album era gets older and more singles are put out, and everything to do with what singles he's put out. People just haven't been interested in what he's been giving them. I definitely feel like this era could be described as Jason Aldean on autopilot.
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Post by onebuffalo on Jan 2, 2016 11:01:07 GMT -5
^They may have been wrong singles choices, but for Jason Aldean to have an album containing four top two hits (three #1s no less) is nothing to sneeze at.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jan 2, 2016 13:37:50 GMT -5
^They may have been wrong singles choices, but for Jason Aldean to have an album containing four top two hits (three #1s no less) is nothing to sneeze at. This is a weak argument. Obviously he's doing better if you compare him to artists who don't have big hits at radio, but Jason Aldean is at the point in his career where he should primarily be compared to himself, and by using that metric, this last era has been a disappointment by his usual numbers. The only reason he has had big hits this era is because country radio is already invested in Jason Aldean as an artist so he can release whatever he wants and it'll be a hit, but the general interest level of the GP is definitely far lower than his showings at country radio would lead to believe. I'm not saying Aldean is a flop now or anything, but I just don't understand why people are adamantly arguing that this era was something to be particularly proud of for Jason Aldean & company, especially since the lessened impact of the era was totally self-inflicted.
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Post by onebuffalo on Jan 2, 2016 13:45:54 GMT -5
^They may have been wrong singles choices, but for Jason Aldean to have an album containing four top two hits (three #1s no less) is nothing to sneeze at. This is a weak argument. Obviously he's doing better if you compare him to artists who don't have big hits at radio, but Jason Aldean is at the point in his career where he should primarily be compared to himself, and by using that metric, this last era has been a disappointment by his usual numbers. The only reason he has had big hits this era is because country radio is already invested in Jason Aldean as an artist so he can release whatever he wants and it'll be a hit, but the general interest level of the GP is definitely far lower than his showings at country radio would lead to believe. I'm not saying Aldean is a flop now or anything, but I just don't understand why people are adamantly arguing that this era was something to be particularly proud of for Jason Aldean & company, especially since the lessened impact of the era was totally self-inflicted. I will agree with your last paragraph. Especially the self-inflicted part due in part to Jason Aldean's personal life at the time Old Boots, New Dirt was released. We all know the details there. This era, I will agree was pretty underwhelming in comparison to his last two. This album did not have a Kelly Clarkson duet and 1994, whether we like that song or not, certainly gave Aldean plenty of buzz.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2016 14:23:56 GMT -5
The good news is that Jason is hosting CCUSA tonight with Thomas Rhett following the week after so it looks like Thomas will be holding on for one more week while Jason Aldean will be falling at the latest this upcoming Tuesday. So it looks like Jason Aldean will miss out on a number 1 all together while Thomas should get another week so I consider this a win-win for me. Thomas spends another week at the top and Jason Aldean misses out on the top,
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jan 2, 2016 14:25:15 GMT -5
This is a weak argument. Obviously he's doing better if you compare him to artists who don't have big hits at radio, but Jason Aldean is at the point in his career where he should primarily be compared to himself, and by using that metric, this last era has been a disappointment by his usual numbers. The only reason he has had big hits this era is because country radio is already invested in Jason Aldean as an artist so he can release whatever he wants and it'll be a hit, but the general interest level of the GP is definitely far lower than his showings at country radio would lead to believe. I'm not saying Aldean is a flop now or anything, but I just don't understand why people are adamantly arguing that this era was something to be particularly proud of for Jason Aldean & company, especially since the lessened impact of the era was totally self-inflicted. I will agree with your last paragraph. Especially the self-inflicted part due in part to Jason Aldean's personal life at the time Old Boots, New Dirt was released. We all know the details there. This era, I will agree was pretty underwhelming in comparison to his last two. This album did not have a Kelly Clarkson duet and 1994, whether we like that song or not, certainly gave Aldean plenty of buzz. I meant self-inflicted as in he picked the most bland, ineffective singles possible to represent the album and as a result received minimal interest for any of them beyond the lead single. I think @nickv1025 did a great job fleshing this out above.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2016 14:30:04 GMT -5
I just think Jason Aldean needs to release something that stands out. The last few songs have all kinda have felt rather same like I honestly can't tell the difference between this and Just Getting Started like not at all. I can only hope this new album will make Jason stand out more. I mean he's now basically been shutout of the award show nomination at least for CMAs. So I think Jason really needs to shake it up this next era,
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