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Post by allow that on Aug 6, 2015 10:55:31 GMT -5
With all due respect, you're not an urban fan. For people who actively listen to Kendrick Lamar, J. Cole, Nas, or even Eminem and then listen to Mackelmore immediately after, the difference is as clear as listening to Adele or Mariah sing a capella and then listening to Selena Gomez do the same.
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Post by jred on Aug 6, 2015 11:35:30 GMT -5
Single or not, radio's thirsty for him. I've already heard this on 5 stations so far, and only two of them were iHeart stations.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Aug 6, 2015 11:45:24 GMT -5
With all due respect, you're not an urban fan. For people who actively listen to Kendrick Lamar, J. Cole, Nas, or even Eminem and then listen to Mackelmore immediately after, the difference is as clear as listening to Adele or Mariah sing a capella and then listening to Selena Gomez do the same. I didn't say he was top of his class. I said he wasn't a bad rapper. If you compare anyone to the greats in their field, you'll always come up short. Just because Selena Gomez can't sing at Adele or Mariah levels, doesn't necessary make her a bad singer. (I've no opinion on Selena's singing because I haven't listened to her enough to say one way or another). Macklemore obviously isn't as good a rapper as Kendrick, J, Nas "or even Eminem." I wouldn't put him on the same level as Nicki, Kanye or Puff either (though I'd say he's at least on 50's level). In any case, I don't think Macklemore is meant to appeal to urban music fans anyway.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Aug 6, 2015 12:39:50 GMT -5
Not sure I get the complaints about too many features for Ed and Sam - they only have a couple (Ed has had this, Hoodie Allen, and a Tori Kelly album cut recently; Sam had the two dance hits that are a couple years old and now "Omen"). I feel like there are better candidates for those complaints, lol. Anyway, I know I read a Sean Ross article saying a Macklemore single release had been expected in the summer, but I don't know if this is it. I gave a SERIOUS side-eye to that complaint. Somebody was complaining just to complain without doing any research.
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Post by Dylan :) on Aug 6, 2015 14:55:16 GMT -5
Just heard this on the main station I listen to, first time hearing a Macklemore song on it..
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Post by jred on Aug 8, 2015 10:47:15 GMT -5
In only 3 days so far for Pop: ?? MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS Growing Up f/Ed Sheeran 443 0 443 4.821
Very impressive considering it's only for promo and isn't even available on iTunes.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2015 12:02:58 GMT -5
Can this thread go back to CHR Pop board? It is actually playing it on radio.
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Post by jred on Aug 8, 2015 13:31:53 GMT -5
Can this thread go back to CHR Pop board? It is actually playing it on radio. Yeah, this. Even if it's not officially going for adds or being pushed, it's probably going to end up top 50 by the end of its first week.
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Post by Libra on Aug 8, 2015 14:33:20 GMT -5
Can this thread go back to CHR Pop board? It is actually playing it on radio. Tip: PM staff with these kinds of requests rather than posting them in-thread. Inboxing is something we'll see faster. And we don't bite. :) (Unless you're into that. :kii: ) Anyways...yeah, given the above spin level, there's enough justification to send this back. My hesitation over proclamations of "not a single" here has been that that's been said for songs before, only for it to be overturned later. Two good examples: "Do What U Want" and "Dark Horse". We all know what happened with the latter, and the former was "not a single" for maybe about a week or so before being turned into the follow-up to "Applause". That's not to say that something like that will happen here, but, well, what do you do when stations are playing something that's "not supposed to be" a single? "Not supposed to be a single" is subjective evidence, but radio spins are objective.
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Post by Ezekiel 23:20–21 on Aug 8, 2015 14:36:34 GMT -5
This is pretty good, but it feels like a buzz single and/or an album track. If they are using this as a transition/relaunch track, this is suitable. I wouldn't necessarily call it overkill. This is overkill. It feels like Chris Brown and Nicki Minaj are on too many songs at any given time. A little advice to Ed and Sam Smith - quit with the guest vocals on every song out there. You are both super talented but there is such a thing as overkill. Too much isn't always a good thing especially if you are putting vocals on average songs (that new Disclosure song with Sam isn't good and neither is this one.) Sam Smith has only been a featured artist on 2 Disclosure singles, 1 Naughty Boy single, and then 4 other singles which were never released or promoted in the U.S. So that's a total of 3. Over a 2 year period so it's not that bad. Ed Sheeran has been a featured artist on 11 songs with only 2 being properly released and promoted in the U.S. (the ones with Taylor Swift and Hoodie Allen).
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Post by downsouth on Aug 8, 2015 22:58:56 GMT -5
They lyrics are sweet. The back story is sweet. That is about it for me. I saw Mack last summer in Vegas and was so excited to get new music from him. I was hoping for better. Glad this is not the first official single or I would be depressed about his era.
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Post by Glove Slap on Aug 8, 2015 23:14:21 GMT -5
With all due respect, you're not an urban fan. For people who actively listen to Kendrick Lamar, J. Cole, Nas, or even Eminem and then listen to Mackelmore immediately after, the difference is as clear as listening to Adele or Mariah sing a capella and then listening to Selena Gomez do the same. I don't get...well actually no, I get why people call him a rapper. But he's more of a slam poet set to a beat than anything else. His "flow" is just so...clunky. And not in a good way. This is coming from someone who considers TS & CHU to be excellent tracks and one of the strongest 1-2 punches of the past several years; they were great even in spite of him being on them, not the other way around.
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Post by No Brake$ on Aug 9, 2015 16:41:32 GMT -5
Macklemore is basically the Imagine Dragons of Rhythmic/Hip Hop. I don't need to further explain and expect the same performance that ID had this past year.
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Post by Glove Slap on Aug 9, 2015 18:27:54 GMT -5
^^That...is a terrible comparison, on many levels.
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Aug 10, 2015 6:08:27 GMT -5
Top 50 on Pop:
0 50 MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS Growing Up f/Ed Sheeran 653 0 653 7.338
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Post by ZAYN on Aug 10, 2015 6:42:56 GMT -5
Add me to the list of liking this, but seeing the huge mistake in this coming out now. They've set the stage for an epic return and instead quiet the audience with this? Eek.
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Post by Dylan :) on Aug 10, 2015 6:48:21 GMT -5
The two relevant 'pop' stations in my area are playing this a lot.
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Post by jred on Aug 10, 2015 7:21:45 GMT -5
Macklemore is basically the Imagine Dragons of Rhythmic/Hip Hop. I don't need to further explain and expect the same performance that ID had this past year. Yeah, I really wish this was doing as good as "I Bet My Life" was on Pop right now. Such a shame. :'(
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Post by H. on Aug 10, 2015 8:24:53 GMT -5
The two relevant 'pop' stations in my area are playing this a lot. Mine too.
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Post by No Brake$ on Aug 10, 2015 10:34:35 GMT -5
^^That...is a terrible comparison, on many levels. Why? Because you don't agree? First real mainstream was a monster, had a lot of multi-format hits. However, they are both not "cool" to like on the format their roots come from (respectively Alternative for ID, Rap\Hip Hop for M) and almost to a point have an audience of middle aged females as their most loyal fans. I also expect a bit of a slump for both acts with their core formats abandoning them one way or the other. Does this make sense? Put it this way. It's not "cool" to be rocking a ID or Macklemore t-shirt if you are in the younger demographic, but it's cool for mom to post she liked their song on the Hot AC station...
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Post by Glove Slap on Aug 10, 2015 11:05:11 GMT -5
^^That...is a terrible comparison, on many levels. Why? Because you don't agree? No, because it's a terrible comparison. Macklemore has received allegations of appropriation and criticism of his White Privilege and its role in his rise. Not the case for ID. There was no "core format" for Macklemore, Thrift Shop blew up everywhere at once. That's also big difference from Imagine Dragons building a steady presence on rock/alt. and then gradually crossing over. Like most acts with a big debut, the follow-up is a difficult position, but Imagine Dragons have more or less moved forward well with how they did their second release. "Cool" or not, they are on a successful tour right now, which keeps them bankable. Unlike Macklemore, they're relatively "faceless" as well, which differs them from what the spotlight does. Macklemore faces the possibility of the same type of backlash that Iggy Azalea received, which is a very different point simply to "not being cool".
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Post by Spidey on Aug 10, 2015 11:21:26 GMT -5
Radio must be very eager to play new Macklemore. Imagine how big his official lead single will be with a proper label push.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2015 11:23:16 GMT -5
Actually its only being radio friendly because of Ed Sheeran.
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Post by Au$tin on Aug 10, 2015 13:05:25 GMT -5
Actually, it's only radio friendly because of Ed Sheeran. No, no it's not. An artist being featured on a song doesn't make it "radio friendly." A song is radio friendly because the song works for radio. I think what you meant is radio is only paying attention to the song because Ed Sheeran is on it, which also isn't the case here. Macklemore & Ryan Lewis have four top 20 pop hits out of four singles. Three were top five, two of which also hit number one. They've got a really good track record. Better than Ed's, actually. If Ed's name alone is what was getting the song attention, then "Photograph" should be killing right now, which it isn't. I don't deny that his name on the collaboration is probably aiding it, but it's not the sole reason. Macklemore & Ryan Lewis were very big during their last album cycle. Their hiatus has helped the general public go from thinking they were overexposed to actually interested in hearing what they have to offer again. This era does, however, play a vital role in their future success. Depending on the quality of the music and how people feel about it could either solidify their continuation in the music industry or kill their buzz altogether.
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Post by jjose712 on Aug 10, 2015 14:48:04 GMT -5
This is pretty good, but it feels like a buzz single and/or an album track. If they are using this as a transition/relaunch track, this is suitable. I wouldn't necessarily call it overkill. This is overkill. It feels like Chris Brown and Nicki Minaj are on too many songs at any given time. A little advice to Ed and Sam Smith - quit with the guest vocals on every song out there. You are both super talented but there is such a thing as overkill. Too much isn't always a good thing especially if you are putting vocals on average songs (that new Disclosure song with Sam isn't good and neither is this one.) Sam Smith has only been a featured artist on 2 Disclosure singles, 1 Naughty Boy single, and then 4 other singles which were never released or promoted in the U.S. So that's a total of 3. Over a 2 year period so it's not that bad. Ed Sheeran has been a featured artist on 11 songs with only 2 being properly released and promoted in the U.S. (the ones with Taylor Swift and Hoodie Allen). And in fact two of the Sam Smith's collaborations were previous of him being a known solo artist. Bruno Mars had a lot more collaborations than him. And in Sam's cases all his released collaborations are with artist that just don't sing their songs (and he has writing credits in most of them) I can't see no problem in collaborations if they are true collaboarations, two people who like each other's music and want to make a song together. Most collaborations now are not about that, and it's simply to see at how much rap verses are added to pop songs tha has absolutely nothing to do with the song. In fact the rare thing is the opposite, like Futuristic collaboaration with a Great big world where the rapper raps about the theme of the song. Ed has a lot of hip hop influences so he is going to collaborate with a lot of rappers for sure
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Post by Mikey on Aug 11, 2015 8:53:55 GMT -5
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0 49 MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS Growing Up f/Ed Sheeran 736 0 736 8.380
+ 83 Spins + 83 Bullet + 1.052 Audience
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Post by jjose712 on Aug 11, 2015 9:24:16 GMT -5
Why? Because you don't agree? No, because it's a terrible comparison. Macklemore has received allegations of appropriation and criticism of his White Privilege and its role in his rise. Not the case for ID. There was no "core format" for Macklemore, Thrift Shop blew up everywhere at once. That's also big difference from Imagine Dragons building a steady presence on rock/alt. and then gradually crossing over. Like most acts with a big debut, the follow-up is a difficult position, but Imagine Dragons have more or less moved forward well with how they did their second release. "Cool" or not, they are on a successful tour right now, which keeps them bankable. Unlike Macklemore, they're relatively "faceless" as well, which differs them from what the spotlight does. Macklemore faces the possibility of the same type of backlash that Iggy Azalea received, which is a very different point simply to "not being cool". Lately the allegations of appropriation are everywhere, from music to hairstyles (which in my opinion it's all kind of ridiculous). In case of hip hop it has a lot to do with extramusical things (you know, street cred). The truth is very simple, most hip hop and rap fans who buy records are white, without the white fans hip hop continue to be far from mainstream like it was in the beginnings. For most of that white fans that the music of their lives, the music they listened when they grow up. So in the future there will be a lot more white rappers, and a lot more rappers (black or not) without any street cred (well there are a good bunch of rappers now with totally invented biografies to fit the mold). I could understand the reluctance to accept people from different backgrounds at the beginning because most songs had a very political point of view, giving voice to black poor people who faced discrimination, but now (at least in the mainstream and with very few exceptions) most rap songs are as void of meaning as a vapid pop song. Even the videos as sterotypical as a country video. I know my culture is totally different, but here imitation is considered the best way of praise, nobody imitate you if don't like what you are doing. Macklemore got success as independent, he was not played at urban radio. His success was a total surprise. The backlash doesn't have anything to do with the music, it has to do with his success. The odds are against him, generally after such smash the second album flops or at least dissapoints, but being accussed of appropiation seems a very cheap way to dismiss someone you don't like. The problem is that is used so freely (frankly, being accused of being racially insensitive for twerking is beyond ridiculous) that it's losing the real meaning. A lot of the fathers of rock and roll were black and they never received the praise they deserved and in some cases were ignored, that's not what's happening here and now
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Post by Cody on Aug 11, 2015 12:31:43 GMT -5
This is pretty much a really weak version of Same Love IMO.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Aug 11, 2015 16:15:47 GMT -5
The backlash doesn't have anything to do with the music, it has to do with his success. The odds are against him, generally after such smash the second album flops or at least dissapoints, but being accussed of appropiation seems a very cheap way to dismiss someone you don't like. The problem is that is used so freely (frankly, being accused of being racially insensitive for twerking is beyond ridiculous) that it's losing the real meaning. I can definitely understand the accusations against Iggy when it comes to appropriating for her success but with Macklemore, I don't, or at the very least I disagree with it. He's never tried to deceive anyone and his music is, or was pretty much targeted at indie fans anyway. If there's a backlash against him because he's been successful as a white man who raps, why is there nothing said against Ed Sheeran, who also raps in at least half of his music? So I do kind of agree with you that Macklemore's backlash has been a result of his success, though not just his success but because of where his success was measured. If he hadn't been included on Billboard's Hip-Hop charts, and in Rap categories at music awards, there would be no backlash.
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Post by tommymonster44 on Aug 11, 2015 16:24:02 GMT -5
Any internet discussion about Macklemore eventually devolves into essays about hip hop community this or appropriation that. While there might be merits to these arguments in other cases, they hardly apply to Macklemore. The reason why Macklemore gets crap is because he is a terrible rapper that went multiplatinum.
Now, his ability as a chr/pop artist is a different story, but don't expect the hip hop community to worship bad rappers just because they can get a Chr hit.
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