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Post by sabre14 on Oct 21, 2015 11:23:25 GMT -5
"Cold Beer Conversation" will most certainly crack the MB top 40 this Sunday as George has gained 100 spins and over 800k in total audience, with Westwood One leading the way accounting for 1.8 of this song's 5.6 million in total audience. I agree with jhomes87 that a top 30 peak is definitely obtainable and I guess we'll see what happens from there. I wouldn't be surprised if this one slows down on the cusp of the top 30 but really, I'm pleasantly surprised radio has decided to be somewhat supportive of this song, with the album's release.
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Post by Zazie on Oct 22, 2015 10:02:12 GMT -5
This song has achieved everything it can, and it will have to depend on recurrents for any further movement for awhile. It's got an impressive audience for its place on the chart, but a big shortfall when it comes to spins. 350, 400 spins behind -- it will take awhile for George to make up that kind of gap, unless Cadillac 3 starts freefalling (which seems premature).
It was nice, though, seeing George moving up 1 or 2 places every day for awhile. I was almost able to persuade myself it was the "good old days" even though it can't be.
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Post by Marv on Oct 22, 2015 18:42:43 GMT -5
I agree about his prospects for reaching the top 30, and I'd be delighted if he goes much farther than that (duh!), but having him on CT40 starting next weekend is going to be wonderful.
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Post by sabre14 on Oct 22, 2015 19:24:38 GMT -5
but having him on CT40 starting next weekend is going to be wonderful. Oh God, I finally have a reason to turn in to CT40 next Sunday. I usually sleep in on Sundays (especially with that particular Sunday being the Bills bye-week) but hearing this song on the countdown will be like comfort food.
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Post by carriekins on Oct 22, 2015 19:40:17 GMT -5
but having him on CT40 starting next weekend is going to be wonderful. Oh God, I finally have a reason to turn in to CT40 next Sunday. I usually sleep in on Sundays (especially with that particular Sunday being the Bills bye-week) but hearing this song on the countdown will be like comfort food. I LOVE how often I hear it on the Highway! I'm glad they've stuck with it.
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Post by sabre14 on Oct 22, 2015 19:42:57 GMT -5
Oh God, I finally have a reason to turn in to CT40 next Sunday. I usually sleep in on Sundays (especially with that particular Sunday being the Bills bye-week) but hearing this song on the countdown will be like comfort food. I LOVE how often I hear it on the Highway! I'm glad they've stuck with it. I've heard it at least a dozen times over the past two weeks. I hate how they totally ignored "I Got A Car" but I'm definitely thrilled that they have been a big supporter of "Cold Beer Conversation."
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Post by razorback9926 on Oct 27, 2015 9:14:42 GMT -5
Ugh. His spin total is increasing nicely each day, but his audience total is actually declining a little more each day. This is a sign that this whole chart run has been smoke and mirrors, and will likely come to an end soon.
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Post by Zazie on Oct 27, 2015 11:01:00 GMT -5
Ugh. His spin total is increasing nicely each day, but his audience total is actually declining a little more each day. This is a sign that this whole chart run has been smoke and mirrors, and will likely come to an end soon. I hope you're wrong. The song added a few stations at MB, so it's still increasing its chances to gain spins and audience. It should get to #33 on next week's Billboard, and it can gain 4 positions on MB to reach #34 there. It has to get to the MB top 30 eventually to gain a whole bunch of countdown spins, and I don't know if that's in the cards, but it can't be ruled out. Plus, there are a few other songs that are candidates to start falling any day now. Don't give up hope.
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Post by sabre14 on Oct 27, 2015 11:51:46 GMT -5
Ugh. His spin total is increasing nicely each day, but his audience total is actually declining a little more each day. This is a sign that this whole chart run has been smoke and mirrors, and will likely come to an end soon. I hope you're wrong. The song added a few stations at MB, so it's still increasing its chances to gain spins and audience. It should get to #33 on next week's Billboard, and it can gain 4 positions on MB to reach #34 there. It has to get to the MB top 30 eventually to gain a whole bunch of countdown spins, and I don't know if that's in the cards, but it can't be ruled out. Plus, there are a few other songs that are candidates to start falling any day now. Don't give up hope. Well, Tyler Farr has already leaped George this week and Easton's song is dangerously close to George in total points on MB, so a leap to #34 on that chart this Sunday might be premature. "Cold Beer Conversation" is just not going to get wild station support (total adds) compared to the surrounding singles, and George's age has virtually everything to do with that. The album release really aided this one and I still think a top 30 peak is what we'll likely see here. Country radio would be smart to play this song, long enough for a top 10 finish, but they've already made up their minds about which songs and artists to give heavy rotation to. It is a nice sight to see George's song in the top 40 though.
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Post by razorback9926 on Oct 28, 2015 7:34:13 GMT -5
I've always been puzzled by the theory of countdown spins helping an artist. If George reaches #30, he'll do that on his own without any help from countdown spins. And once he reaches #30, those countdown spins won't help him more than anyone else ahead of him, since they all get the exact same countdown spins.
It seems to me that countdown spins only help top 30 songs in relation to songs outside the top 30.
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Post by Marv on Oct 28, 2015 13:22:27 GMT -5
Does anyone remember how many weeks IGAC spent on either chart and where it peaked?
Something tells me that this will be the most infuriating chart run of 2016 a la IGAC in 2014 and several standout tunes in 2015, with several of them by females.
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Post by sabre14 on Oct 28, 2015 13:27:32 GMT -5
Does anyone remember how many weeks IGAC spent on either chart and where it peaked? "I Got A Car" peaked at #17 on Billboard and #18 on Mediabase. It spent 38 weeks on the Billboard Airplay chart.
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Post by Marv on Oct 28, 2015 13:47:22 GMT -5
Thanks, and with this standout tune set to debut on CT40 this weekend, including the indefensibly idiotic timeslot of 5:00 AM Saturday morning on WQYK/Tampa, the first hour of CT40 will get a heck of a lot better, and especially if Bob Kingsley follows this with one of his many classics from yesteryear.
Who was the brain surgeon who cut Kix's countdown to three hours anyway?
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Post by sabre14 on Oct 28, 2015 13:55:40 GMT -5
Who was the brain surgeon who cut Kix's countdown to three hours anyway? The less I have to hear Kix talk on that countdown, the better.
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Post by someguy on Oct 28, 2015 16:45:02 GMT -5
I've always been puzzled by the theory of countdown spins helping an artist. If George reaches #30, he'll do that on his own without any help from countdown spins. And once he reaches #30, those countdown spins won't help him more than anyone else ahead of him, since they all get the exact same countdown spins. It seems to me that countdown spins only help top 30 songs in relation to songs outside the top 30. That's definitely true in terms of the number of spins provided by the countdown. Songs that are in the 28-35 range are often really close in airplay, and one or two of them getting extra spins from a countdown can help them pull ahead a little bit. Also, I think some of the hope is that a song that is not on the station's playlist may get played on the countdown, listeners hear it and call to request it, which may in turn cause the station to consider adding the song to their playlist. In the long run, it probably doesn't matter a whole lot, but countdowns spins are definitely a positive rather than negative.
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Post by Zazie on Oct 28, 2015 18:36:39 GMT -5
I've always been puzzled by the theory of countdown spins helping an artist. If George reaches #30, he'll do that on his own without any help from countdown spins. And once he reaches #30, those countdown spins won't help him more than anyone else ahead of him, since they all get the exact same countdown spins. It seems to me that countdown spins only help top 30 songs in relation to songs outside the top 30. There are a couple of ways countdown debuts can help a song. Some stations just won't add a song until it reaches the top 30. Let's say station X wants a song to be in the Billboard top 30 before putting it into some modest rotation. But the song just can't make the BB top 30 due to a shortage of audience. The song might be able to enter the MB top 30 thanks to the countdowns, thereby gaining more spins and audience, and perhaps earn some more adds by qualifying for the BB top 30 and pleasing station X. (Maybe there aren't any station X types out there, but there used to be.) Also, more people in markets that haven't added the song will hear it on the countdown shows. That can occasionally generate requests or otherwise allow a song to find its way onto some new stations. It's not going to happen to every song that is struggling to make the top 30, but I don't see it as impossible. And of course once the song has made it to the top 30, it no longer does much good as far as moving farther up the chart is concerned. You are right about that.
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Post by razorback9926 on Nov 5, 2015 9:47:57 GMT -5
Watching this song tread water at the 38-41 range would have been frustrating a few years ago, but it's expected now. First AJ, then Toby, now George...all on the "don't play anymore" list at country radio. I just don't get it.
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Post by Marv on Nov 5, 2015 11:40:11 GMT -5
For one thing far too many PDs and MDs use the national charts for programming their stations which is asinine.
Then there's Mediabase itself, which requires that all of their reporters have to play only 25% current music to remain on the panel, an absurdly low percentage IMHO which intermittently leads to mega-powerhouses such as WPOC and KPLX being removed from the panel from time to time.
If you want two MORE reasons why the charts are ridiculously slow and clogged, start with those two.
It's really disgusting that in the Lone Star State with country powerhouses all over the place, Strait's latest masterpiece is being ignored in favor of tons of indisputably inferior music.
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Post by sabre14 on Nov 5, 2015 12:42:42 GMT -5
First AJ, then Toby, now George...all on the "don't play anymore" list at country radio. I just don't get it. Age. The gatekeepers of radio don't think there's a major market for traditional country like this to be played at heavy rotation anymore, for the most part. The new sounds on country radio over the past three years have given them an excuse to push those artists you mentioned off the air, with their age and tenure at radio. There's still clearly a market for George Strait and I think it's not that smart to not be fully embracing his music since there's so many that do want to hear it but that's what usually happens -- artists get old and radio decides on a collective whole to drastically reduce their airplay.
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Post by razorback9926 on Nov 9, 2015 10:52:42 GMT -5
George moves 39-38 today due to two songs going recurrent, but today is the first day he has a negative bullet, and his audience continues to slowly dwindle. Not looking good.
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Post by razorback9926 on Nov 9, 2015 13:37:04 GMT -5
I have a question about the Mediabase rule requiring stations to play only 25% new music. Why would any station kowtow to such a requirement if it meant not giving the listeners what they wanted? I would think advertising dollars matter way more than being on the Mediabase panel. It seems that 25% is a low number, more like 2/3 new music seems like it would more in touch with listeners' desires.
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Post by Zazie on Nov 9, 2015 15:08:57 GMT -5
I have a question about the Mediabase rule requiring stations to play only 25% new music. Why would any station kowtow to such a requirement if it meant not giving the listeners what they wanted? I would think advertising dollars matter way more than being on the Mediabase panel. It seems that 25% is a low number, more like 2/3 new music seems like it would more in touch with listeners' desires. If stations want to play more than 25% new music, they are welcome to. But they must play at least 25% new music to avoid being kicked off the panel. That is a very low threshold. 50% would be a more reasonable minimum.
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Post by dm2081 on Nov 9, 2015 16:06:44 GMT -5
Man I love this song. Its the type of song you can listen to over and over again without growing tired of it. George has so many quality songs near the back end of his career, and that's a quite a testament in a world full of old veteran artists pushing out watered down rehashes.
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Post by razorback9926 on Nov 11, 2015 9:14:24 GMT -5
George holding fast at #39 on Mediabase, but about to be passed by Eric Church, Luke Bryan, and Chris Stapleton. He should remain in the top 40 though, as long as 1-2 songs go recurrent from higher up.
As to the Billboard chart, he has a real chance to move 35-34 since Kenny's "Save It for a Rainy Day" will go recurrent and nothing below should catch him this week. A #34 peak would probably be the best we could hope for, since Chuch, Bryan, and Stapleton will zoom right by George the following week.
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Post by rsandcm1 on Nov 11, 2015 13:26:01 GMT -5
I have to say I was so surprised and happy last week when I heard George's CBC twice in the same day. I usually don't hear songs outside of the American Top 30 in rotation up here in Canada.
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Post by sabre14 on Nov 11, 2015 14:13:21 GMT -5
I have to say I was so surprised and happy last week when I heard George's CBC twice in the same day. I usually don't hear songs outside of the American Top 30 in rotation up here in Canada. "Cold Beer Conversation" is currently in the top 40 on Canada's Country MB chart.
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Post by trebor on Nov 11, 2015 14:16:04 GMT -5
I have to say I was so surprised and happy last week when I heard George's CBC twice in the same day. I usually don't hear songs outside of the American Top 30 in rotation up here in Canada. "Cold Beer Conversation" is currently in the top 40 on Canada's Country MB chart. Billboard #45! ;)
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Post by sabre14 on Nov 11, 2015 14:21:04 GMT -5
"Cold Beer Conversation" is currently in the top 40 on Canada's Country MB chart. Billboard #45! ;) Top 40 sounds so much better! Lol Just to show how drastically different it is North of the Border -- George's song had 212 total spins this past week, which is good enough for #40 on the country chart. The #1 song ("Gonna") only has 1146 total spins.
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Post by trebor on Nov 11, 2015 14:42:28 GMT -5
Top 40 sounds so much better! Lol Just to show how drastically different it is North of the Border -- George's song had 212 total spins this past week, which is good enough for #40 on the country chart. The #1 song ("Gonna") only has 1146 total spins. Blake has 1347 spins with Billboard [4.264M AI]. Don't forget that Canadia has a population of "only" <36M compared to >322M Also the panel consists of only 26 reporters (of which one or two are certainly video channels) Love the Canadian chart, btw...; it's so much more organic. ;)
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Post by sabre14 on Nov 11, 2015 14:45:11 GMT -5
Top 40 sounds so much better! Lol Just to show how drastically different it is North of the Border -- George's song had 212 total spins this past week, which is good enough for #40 on the country chart. The #1 song ("Gonna") only has 1146 total spins. Blake has 1347 spins with Billboard [4.264M AI]. Don't forget that Canadia has a population of "only" <36M compared to >322M Also the panel consists of only 26 reporters (of which one or two are certainly video channels) Love the Canadian chart, btw...; it's so much more organic. ;) I already knew all of that, lol. Canada is a part of the community here in Buffalo since its so close to the border. The singles move so much quicker in Canada as well. Brett Kissel's singles absolutely fly up the chart and peak in less than three months time.
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