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Post by myeverything on Jun 16, 2016 9:57:44 GMT -5
"Getting as high as it did?" It took how many weeks to reach number 20, lol. That's not very high in my opinion, especially when the dude came out with 3 number 1's in a row right off the bat. I still insist that radio forgets that, and I still cannot for the life of me understand why.
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Post by house on Jun 16, 2016 11:38:22 GMT -5
"Getting as high as it did?" It took how many weeks to reach number 20, lol. That's not very high in my opinion, especially when the dude came out with 3 number 1's in a row right off the bat. I still insist that radio forgets that, and I still cannot for the life of me understand why. I am not an expert, but I don't really think that this song is done yet, as has been suggested. But, I can't overstate enough that I'm not an expert. It has been making agonizing gains at a snail's pace, but I feel like sometimes if you can break the double digits (David Nail's Nights on Fire, for example), you can weather the storm and sneak into a top ten. I would think that the writers on this will reap some extra benefits from mechanicals, seeing as this is over a half a year old. Sometimes slow climbs aren't always fun to watch when you are rooting for a song, and I am really kind of baffled by what may have derailed Kip's momentum with radio, but he'll be fine.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2016 11:47:51 GMT -5
"Getting as high as it did?" It took how many weeks to reach number 20, lol. That's not very high in my opinion, especially when the dude came out with 3 number 1's in a row right off the bat. I still insist that radio forgets that, and I still cannot for the life of me understand why. I am not an expert, but I don't really think that this song is done yet, as has been suggested. But, I can't overstate enough that I'm not an expert. It has been making agonizing gains at a snail's pace, but I feel like sometimes if you can break the double digits (David Nail's Nights on Fire, for example), you can weather the storm and sneak into a top ten. I would think that the writers on this will reap some extra benefits from mechanicals, seeing as this is over a half a year old. Sometimes slow climbs aren't always fun to watch when you are rooting for a song, and I am really kind of baffled by what may have derailed Kip's momentum with radio, but he'll be fine. But Kip has been stating he wants to release new music, and "Running For You" has tested rather poorly and sold rather mediocre and I honestly think the gains have been too sluggish too suggest thjs will last much longer especially if Kip wants to release new music asap. Also what derailed his momentum was the awful single choices of "Young Love" and "Dirt Road" which basically made 2014 a year where Kip lost all momentum by awful single choices (decent songs just not lead single material).
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Post by myeverything on Jun 17, 2016 20:01:14 GMT -5
Clearly not lead singles when they didn't even make the new record, lmao I still can't get over that. Anyways, Kip said that the new album won't be ready anytime sooner than October, with a lead single in August. I guess it would make most sense to keep letting this one hang on and see how far they can get with it to a) keep him as relevant as they can and b) to not release another from Wild Ones because that will obviously prolong the new music coming out by months. I still really wanted Girl Of The Summer as a single though... heartbroken lol
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2016 10:25:28 GMT -5
Clearly not lead singles when they didn't even make the new record, lmao I still can't get over that. Anyways, Kip said that the new album won't be ready anytime sooner than October, with a lead single in August. I guess it would make most sense to keep letting this one hang on and see how far they can get with it to a) keep him as relevant as they can and b) to not release another from Wild Ones because that will obviously prolong the new music coming out by months. I still really wanted Girl Of The Summer as a single though... heartbroken lol They were lead singles since they weren't on his debut and the purpose was too release the new album which they didn't. I also don't see the point in pushing this since a peak of #16 won't make that much of a difference as regardless this song will be quickly forgotten by the general public. That and Kip's lead single will go as slow regardless of how "Running For You" peaks.
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Post by myeverything on Jun 26, 2016 14:03:58 GMT -5
^^^ To keep him as relevant as they can at country radio.... like I just said. And no one can say that his lead single from his newest upcoming album will go up "just as slow."
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Post by phil1996 on Jun 26, 2016 14:48:31 GMT -5
The dude sells albums well and sells out his live shows rather quickly. He's more than fine. His time (on radio) will come again.
Randy Houser, coming off a bunch of hits, (not to mention the first single off Fired Up going number one right before the album release), only got his album to sell 21,000. Kip Moore hasnt had a top 10 in a few years, was struggling in the 20's with I'm To Blame....got Wild Ones to sell 35,000 first week. Just goes to show there's so much more to it than how your singles do on the charts.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2016 14:52:31 GMT -5
^^^ To keep him as relevant as they can at country radio.... like I just said. And no one can say that his lead single from his newest upcoming album will go up "just as slow." Ok more than likely that song will go up very slowly, considering the fact that Kip Moore hasn't had a Top 10 in about 3 years now. Kip doesn't have a lot of momentum, I mean his overall sales are pretty nice, but his radio presence isn't that big at all, I mean two Top 20s can only get you so far. This won't make the Top 15 more than likely as Kip will soon have songs from Blake Shelton, Dierks Bentley, Brad Paisley and possibly Zac Brown Band knocking on his door which will only complicate if the label wants to get into the MB Top 15 (since that will be more likely be achieved than the BB Top 15) That's why I see no real point in promoting this song much more it's not selling all that well, I mean songs from Brothers Osborne, Brett Young, Brett Eldredge, and Jennifer Nettles are all easily outselling Kip's latest. Also, "Running For You" has tested mediocre to poor all its run. All the song is doing now is crawling along, and I see no point in having this song get an artificial peak of like 17 or 16, when a new song will be out in less than a month. I believe it'd be best if Kip Moore had a little breathing room between this and whatever song is next. I will say he sells really well as he has a really passionate fan base, but didn't Wild Ones album sales took a hard plunge after the first couple of weeks once Kip's fanbase bought the album? Does anyone have any sales figures for Kip's latest album?
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Jul 12, 2016 14:48:02 GMT -5
I just noticed that this song is at #16 on Country Airplay but hasn't even "Bubbled under" the Hot 100. I think this is by far the highest a country song post-1998 has gotten on Country Airplay without even bubbling under.
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Post by myeverything on Jul 12, 2016 15:09:16 GMT -5
What do you mean by that?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2016 15:12:00 GMT -5
What do you mean by that? He means that this song is basically the worst-performing country song on the Hot 100 (Billboard's all-genre airplay + sales + streaming chart) in about 18 years or so. Usually when a song reaches the top 20 on country radio, it'll at least be top 100 on the Hot 100...but Kip isn't even close to the top 100, because no one is streaming or buying this song. Sales are very, very poor for this one, especially when you consider that it's getting a decent amount of airplay.
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Post by myeverything on Jul 12, 2016 15:14:26 GMT -5
:| :| Yikes!! Poor Kip, I'll never understand. lol! Thanks for explaining, as always, jhomes!!
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Jul 12, 2016 15:46:09 GMT -5
As far as I can tell, only two other country songs since 1998 have made Top 20 without even "bubbling under": "Two Pink Lines" by Eric Church and "Good as Gone" by Little Big Town. I remember the latter being a horrible seller, but I didn't realize the same was true of the former. I think the fact that TPL was pulled prematurely didn't help either.
No Top 10 hit since 1998 has failed to enter the Hot 100 entirely. I believe the closest this ever came to happening was with "It's My Time" by Martina McBride and "Run Away with You" by Big & Rich, both of which got to #11 on the country charts, but got only to #2 on Bubbling Under (equivalent to #102 on the Hot 100).
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Post by robenglund on Jul 12, 2016 18:06:14 GMT -5
I'm in Chicago visiting my family this week, and fun fact, WEBG (Big95) has this in power rotation. I heard it 3 times this morning . It was their most played song the past week at 84 spins. Looks like every other station just has it in medium rotation. For the record I do like this song and wish it was selling better. Since Kip wants to release new music, may as well keep pushing this one as long as radio lets it. It went for adds October 12, 2015 so it hasn't hit that 1 year mark yet lol. Given the terrible sales, I'm curious to see how high MCA can get this. This is testing great according to RateTheMusic. But on the Bullseye Callout it's pretty bad. If you ask me, RateTheMusic seems more accurate currently. So perhaps this one can keep on trucking for a while yet.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2016 23:34:13 GMT -5
But on the Bullseye Callout it's pretty bad. If you ask me, RateTheMusic seems more accurate currently. So perhaps this one can keep on trucking for a while yet. RateTheMusic is generally not the best source for callout, mostly because there's no way to verify the information provided by survey-takers. Callout conducted by phone and email (like Mediabase and Bullseye do) is more easily verifiable, but on sites like RateTheMusic and Nashville Country Club, anyone can create an account and lie about their age or zip code or whatever, or people can have multiple accounts (1 per email). I'm not saying this happens frequently, but it's just impossible to verify that these online surveys where the survey-taker can pretty much type in whatever he/she wants are accurate.
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Post by robenglund on Jul 13, 2016 9:58:22 GMT -5
But on the Bullseye Callout it's pretty bad. If you ask me, RateTheMusic seems more accurate currently. So perhaps this one can keep on trucking for a while yet. RateTheMusic is generally not the best source for callout, mostly because there's no way to verify the information provided by survey-takers. Callout conducted by phone and email (like Mediabase and Bullseye do) is more easily verifiable, but on sites like RateTheMusic and Nashville Country Club, anyone can create an account and lie about their age or zip code or whatever, or people can have multiple accounts (1 per email). I'm not saying this happens frequently, but it's just impossible to verify that these online surveys where the survey-taker can pretty much type in whatever he/she wants are accurate. Ah ok that makes sense. You know more about this stuff than I do so I trust you. I said RateTheMusic seems to be more accurate since it lines up with the top of the AirPlay charts. On Bullseye for example, "Peter Pan" (and a lot of female songs) are at the bottom which obviously isn't accurate at all. I know it's been talked about many times in various threads how flawed some of the research is. Anyways, thanks jhomes87!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2016 10:23:41 GMT -5
RateTheMusic is generally not the best source for callout, mostly because there's no way to verify the information provided by survey-takers. Callout conducted by phone and email (like Mediabase and Bullseye do) is more easily verifiable, but on sites like RateTheMusic and Nashville Country Club, anyone can create an account and lie about their age or zip code or whatever, or people can have multiple accounts (1 per email). I'm not saying this happens frequently, but it's just impossible to verify that these online surveys where the survey-taker can pretty much type in whatever he/she wants are accurate. Ah ok that makes sense. You know more about this stuff than I do so I trust you. I said RateTheMusic seems to be more accurate since it lines up with the top of the AirPlay charts. On Bullseye for example, "Peter Pan" (and a lot of female songs) are at the bottom which obviously isn't accurate at all. I know it's been talked about many times in various threads how flawed some of the research is. Anyways, thanks jhomes87 ! I think RateTheMusic can certainly be more representative of what people like (it does have its limitations, though) but it's just harder to verify who is actually taking the survey, and so, in my experience, it seems that it's generally viewed as less legitimate than some of the other national callout sources. Also, the fact that anybody can take the survey means that it's not a true representation of the likes and dislikes of loyal radio listeners. But yeah, I definitely think it can be more representative of what the general public actually enjoys though, but I guess I wouldn't use the word "accurate" because again, it's pretty much impossible to verify the info that is inputted by survey takers. But yeah, all the female-led songs testing awfully on Mediabase and Bullseye is a load of bull. Probably 3 out of every 4 Carrie Underwood songs has researched badly over the years, but she's a huge superstar and her primary audience is country fans and country radio listeners. Maren Morris' "My Church" didn't test very well at all, yet it's one of the top 5 selling country singles of 2016. And it's not like Maren was selling off of name recognition...prior to "My Church", no one had a clue who she was. The song didn't get any major exposure outside of radio airplay, either. Back to Kip, I would hope that MCA is about ready to let this go. If he plans to release a new single in August or September or so, then I guess I would be ok with the label pushing this as long as possible. Sometimes it's good to leave a little gap between album eras, but I don't think it would really matter one way or the other with Kip. He's not gonna have much momentum either way. I like this song well enough (it peaked at #7 on my personal chart!), but it (along with "Young Love", "Dirt Road", and especially "I'm To Blame") never struck me as a big hit like "Beer Money" and "Hey Pretty Girl" did. I still can't believe that they never released "Girl Of The Summer". In my opinion, that's perhaps the "biggest hit that never was" in years. I've brought this up before: I don't know whether or not if Kip had recorded the song by February 2015 (when "I'm To Blame" was released), but if he had recorded it by then, the people who opted to release "I'm To Blame" as the lead single should be fired. If it was one of the last songs recorded for Wild Ones, then obviously I can understand why they didn't release it first (because it wouldn't have been ready yet), but that song would have been too perfect for summer 2015. Heck, it could have worked this summer. "Running For You" was released in October, but given that it's still charting well into July, they could have released "Girl Of The Summer" in its place as well.
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Post by robenglund on Jul 13, 2016 10:38:44 GMT -5
Ah ok that makes sense. You know more about this stuff than I do so I trust you. I said RateTheMusic seems to be more accurate since it lines up with the top of the AirPlay charts. On Bullseye for example, "Peter Pan" (and a lot of female songs) are at the bottom which obviously isn't accurate at all. I know it's been talked about many times in various threads how flawed some of the research is. Anyways, thanks jhomes87 ! I think RateTheMusic can certainly be more representative of what people like (it does have its limitations, though) but it's just harder to verify who is actually taking the survey, and so, in my experience, it seems that it's generally viewed as less legitimate than some of the other national callout sources. Also, the fact that anybody can take the survey means that it's not a true representation of the likes and dislikes of loyal radio listeners. But yeah, I definitely think it can be more representative of what the general public actually enjoys though, but I guess I wouldn't use the word "accurate" because again, it's pretty much impossible to verify the info that is inputted by survey takers. But yeah, all the female-led songs testing awfully on Mediabase and Bullseye is a load of bull. Probably 3 out of every 4 Carrie Underwood songs has researched badly over the years, but she's a huge superstar and her primary audience is country fans and country radio listeners. Maren Morris' "My Church" didn't test very well at all, yet it's one of the top 5 selling country singles of 2016. And it's not like Maren was selling off of name recognition...prior to "My Church", no one had a clue who she was. The song didn't get any major exposure outside of radio airplay, either. Back to Kip, I would hope that MCA is about ready to let this go. If he plans to release a new single in August or September or so, then I guess I would be ok with the label pushing this as long as possible. Sometimes it's good to leave a little gap between album eras, but I don't think it would really matter one way or the other with Kip. He's not gonna have much momentum either way. I like this song well enough (it peaked at #7 on my personal chart!), but it (along with "Young Love", "Dirt Road", and especially "I'm To Blame") never struck me as a big hit like "Beer Money" and "Hey Pretty Girl" did. I still can't believe that they never released "Girl Of The Summer". In my opinion, that's perhaps the "biggest hit that never was" in years. I've brought this up before: I don't know whether or not if Kip had recorded the song by February 2015 (when "I'm To Blame" was released), but if he had recorded it by then, the people who opted to release "I'm To Blame" as the lead single should be fired. If it was one of the last songs recorded for Wild Ones, then obviously I can understand why they didn't release it first (because it wouldn't have been ready yet), but that song would have been too perfect for summer 2015. Heck, it could have worked this summer. "Running For You" was released in October, but given that it's still charting well into July, they could have released "Girl Of The Summer" in its place as well. MCA/Kip should pull an Easton Corbin/"Are You With Me" and throw "Girl of the Summer" on his next album and release it as a single at some point . Obviously it wouldn't be the lead single it'll be a new song. Problem solved.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2016 11:51:04 GMT -5
I think the label is going to soon give up on this one. Kip Moore has gained just around 350k in audience this week and with Kip now in the MB Top 15, I think it's best to let this go.
"Running For You" is gonna wind up at #16 on BB tomorrow night. Kip Moore will then probably wind up at #14 (gains 3 from 3 songs falling below or going recurrent, in this case Keith Urban, David Nail, and Kenny Chesney, but I think Dierks Bentley/Elle King will pass Kip next week) the following week. I hope that once this song gets Top 15 on both charts, the label gives up promotion as the gains have been pretty much sluggish at this point.
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Post by CoJoFan on Aug 13, 2016 11:12:18 GMT -5
So Dierks and Blake possibly will enter the top 10 this week so are Kip's chances good to enter the following week?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 11:34:45 GMT -5
I really want this song to give up.
Kip Moore might be able to have a Top 10 finish but I think that'll be a MB only. Tucker Beathard and LoCash are at Kip's back now and look about ready to pass him on MB (they'll be ahead on BB) but if Kip Moore can hold Tucker or LoCash (he really only needs to block out one as I think Chris Lane will fall below Kip) off on MB for the next 8 days (when next weeks MB chart will be published Kip will be in the Top 10 on MB.
I hope after that they let this song go, because the sales have been sh*tty. Kip isn't even in the all genre Top 300 on iTunes which is pretty bad all things considered as the next song selling worst is Granger Smith "If The Boot Fits" which is in the high 20s low 30s.
I do think the writing is on the wall that "Running For You" is on its last legs and will be falling in a couple weeks.
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Post by CoJoFan on Aug 13, 2016 12:54:11 GMT -5
Kip has been sampling a new song called "Last Shot" at his concerts. There's an article on taste of country about it. I can't post it from my phone or I would. There's a video too of him performing it.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Aug 13, 2016 14:56:18 GMT -5
Beyond ready for this one to go away. It's loooong overstayed its welcome. A chart peak more on par with where "I'm to Blame" ended up should've been its fate.
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Post by myeverything on Aug 13, 2016 19:17:13 GMT -5
Welp at the show a couple nights ago here in Nashville the crowd went NUTS when he sang this. The energy was insane....
So not everyone is sick of it. I know I'm not. I hardly ever hear it to be sick of it. And whether one is or not, it's still a great freaking song, regardless.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 19:27:30 GMT -5
Welp at the show a couple nights ago here in Nashville the crowd went NUTS when he sang this. The energy was insane.... So not everyone is sick of it. I know I'm not. I hardly ever hear it to be sick of it. And whether one is or not, it's still a great freaking song, regardless. Well no duh, the people to go to see him will love it lol. Also where did anyone say "everyone is sick of it", we are just saying the song isn't evoking much of a passion anymore (evident by its sh*tty sales when you compare it to its airplay level right now). The song just seems to be just like barely afloat and I imagine that country radio is getting close to dropping this. Finally it's debatable whether or not it's a great song, I have always liked this song but it never exactly evoked me to really go out of my way to listen too it so if it was on the radio I wouldn't object but I never quite loved this. The same can be said for a couple of my friends who said they weren't the biggest fan of the production and the vocals weren't that appealing to them. I mean no disrespect at all.
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Post by Markus Meyer on Aug 14, 2016 3:24:28 GMT -5
Still absolutely in love with this song, but I'd agree it's overstayed it's welcome. I mean, selfishly I'm happy that it might be a top-10... But I have to hold this to the same standard I do other singles, and so I do think it's time to give this up, considering the weak sales.
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Post by zaclord 🌈 on Aug 14, 2016 7:57:47 GMT -5
Love this song and would love to see this go top 10... if it had two months ago. But Jennifer Nettles, Big & Rich, William Michael Morgan (he's moving a bit now though), and Kip (Frankie Ballard and David Nail were in the same boat) have been floundering with little movement for months and should exit to free up chart space since they likely will not move up many more spots and it will take them another two months to get to that peak.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2016 8:58:02 GMT -5
Love this song and would love to see this go top 10... if it had two months ago. But Jennifer Nettles, Big & Rich, William Michael Morgan (he's moving a bit now though), and Kip (Frankie Ballard and David Nail were in the same boat) have been floundering with little movement for months and should exit to free up chart space since they likely will not move up many more spots and it will take them another two months to get to that peak. It's intresting that you note Jennifer Nettles. She along with Kip Moore and Drake White have all seen an overall net loss in audience the past week. Jennifer Nettles is down 420k, Drake White is down 70k (he lost his bullet last week so he has to re bullet) and Kip Moore is down 530k. I'm rolling through the numbers and their is a potential for at least 6 recurrents. Carrie Underwood "Church Bells" is done and will finally leave. Toby Keith and Last Bandoleros have had 2 straight negative weeks and look like they'll lose their bullets this week ("Where Do You Go?" is down 240k since last Sunday while "A Few More Cowboys" is down 80k). So we have the potential for at least 1-6 recurrents depending on whether or not BB decides to send Drake White, Toby Keith, Jennifer Nettles, Kip Moore, and Last Bandoleros recurrent. It's becoming quite clear none of those songs are really moving all that much so hopefully those songs will give up soon.
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Post by zaclord 🌈 on Aug 14, 2016 14:59:17 GMT -5
Love this song and would love to see this go top 10... if it had two months ago. But Jennifer Nettles, Big & Rich, William Michael Morgan (he's moving a bit now though), and Kip (Frankie Ballard and David Nail were in the same boat) have been floundering with little movement for months and should exit to free up chart space since they likely will not move up many more spots and it will take them another two months to get to that peak. It's intresting that you note Jennifer Nettles. She along with Kip Moore and Drake White have all seen an overall net loss in audience the past week. Jennifer Nettles is down 420k, Drake White is down 70k (he lost his bullet last week so he has to re bullet) and Kip Moore is down 530k. I'm rolling through the numbers and their is a potential for at least 6 recurrents. Carrie Underwood "Church Bells" is done and will finally leave. Toby Keith and Last Bandoleros have had 2 straight negative weeks and look like they'll lose their bullets this week ("Where Do You Go?" is down 240k since last Sunday while "A Few More Cowboys" is down 80k). So we have the potential for at least 1-6 recurrents depending on whether or not BB decides to send Drake White, Toby Keith, Jennifer Nettles, Kip Moore, and Last Bandoleros recurrent. It's becoming quite clear none of those songs are really moving all that much so hopefully those songs will give up soon. I haven't checked AllAccess in a few days but I'm glad to see several of these songs will be clearing out. Sad to see The Last Bandoleros gone so soon though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2016 15:15:33 GMT -5
It's intresting that you note Jennifer Nettles. She along with Kip Moore and Drake White have all seen an overall net loss in audience the past week. Jennifer Nettles is down 420k, Drake White is down 70k (he lost his bullet last week so he has to re bullet) and Kip Moore is down 530k. I'm rolling through the numbers and their is a potential for at least 6 recurrents. Carrie Underwood "Church Bells" is done and will finally leave. Toby Keith and Last Bandoleros have had 2 straight negative weeks and look like they'll lose their bullets this week ("Where Do You Go?" is down 240k since last Sunday while "A Few More Cowboys" is down 80k). So we have the potential for at least 1-6 recurrents depending on whether or not BB decides to send Drake White, Toby Keith, Jennifer Nettles, Kip Moore, and Last Bandoleros recurrent. It's becoming quite clear none of those songs are really moving all that much so hopefully those songs will give up soon. I haven't checked AllAccess in a few days but I'm glad to see several of these songs will be clearing out. Sad to see The Last Bandoleros gone so soon though. Last Bandoleros is struggling for sure, but they might be able to rebound. The rest for sure are looking to be out soon. I also won't be shocked if "Vacation" by Thomas Rhett gives in soon. Back to Kip Moore, Kip lost about 200k in today's update alone and has only seen a net gain of 10 spins, with Kip being 43 weeks old the label might give up on this soon. It's clear the end is definitely near and hopefully this can start falling soon, so we can see songs from Thompson Square, Lauren Alaina (if she is not OTV), and Runaway June (they are projected to have a second bulletless week so they are eligibile to go recurrent on BB a week from Monday) start making some movement.
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