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Post by Elusive Chanteuse on Mar 20, 2016 14:28:21 GMT -5
I am really hoping this one re-bullet soon enough and goes Top 20 already! It's a traditional country sounding song with bro-country lyrics so for this to struggle, is a bit surprising to me. I just love this.
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Post by sabre14 on Mar 20, 2016 14:35:47 GMT -5
This one is getting pounded. Any chance it goes recurrent? MR Its gained zero audience and spins the past three weeks on Mediabase, so while I would have fought it out a little longer, this past week was the first time I got pessimistic. Disappointed this stalled out if Dot's promotion team is about to pull the plug.
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Post by mus1cr0w on Mar 20, 2016 14:45:19 GMT -5
I am really hoping this one re-bullet soon enough and goes Top 20 already! It's a traditional "Bro-Country" sounding song so for this to struggle, is a bit surprising to me. I just love this. ? Not that it matters, but what the hell about this song is bro country? It is about the furthest from it and one of the most country sounding songs out at the moment. MR
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Post by Elusive Chanteuse on Mar 20, 2016 15:18:13 GMT -5
I am really hoping this one re-bullet soon enough and goes Top 20 already! It's a traditional "Bro-Country" sounding song so for this to struggle, is a bit surprising to me. I just love this. ? Not that it matters, but what the hell about this song is bro country? It is about the furthest from it and one of the most country sounding songs out at the moment. MR Well, lyrically, to me, it is a "bro-country" song imo. It does not really sound like one, apologies if I confused you or anyone else. I'll edit my post. And I do agree with you on this being one of the most country sounding songs atm so I'm a little taken back on how this is doing.
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Post by Cody Wants Out... on Mar 20, 2016 15:37:14 GMT -5
This is essentially the polar opposite of a "bro-country" song, lol.
I have to disagree with the sentiment that SUAF is "getting pounded". From what I've seen, it's just shed a few hairs of audience and spins over the past several days, but has more recently started to recover from these losses little by little.
I'm not that worried about this one yet; I can think of at least two songs that will be leaving the charts in these upcoming weeks (Randy and maybe Keith), so that should help some.
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Post by tryexp on Mar 21, 2016 13:50:03 GMT -5
I really hope this can get at least a bit higher up in the charts before they pull the plug, it's a good song and they deserve a Top 15...
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Post by rbundy1987 on Mar 24, 2016 1:26:01 GMT -5
"Shut Up And Fish" could go recurrent on Mediabase this weekend if it's unable to receive it's bullet back since it was bulletless back on the March 13th and March 20th end of the week charts.
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Post by sabre14 on Mar 24, 2016 6:43:46 GMT -5
"Shut Up And Fish" is finished. It lost 100 spins and 175k in audience today.
It'll go recurrent on Mediabase this Sunday.
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Post by musicofmyheart on Mar 24, 2016 7:03:31 GMT -5
"Shut Up And Fish" is finished. It lost 100 spins and 175k in audience today. It'll go recurrent on Mediabase this Sunday. I thought this song was a sure top 10 for them & even a serious contender for #1, so I am somewhat shocked & very disappointed that radio is done with it so soon!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2016 7:05:56 GMT -5
This song dying and "Little Bit Of You" staying legitimately makes me pissed off. Where did this song go wrong, the sales were fine enough. I'm really confused on why this song failed so badly, I thought it could at least get Top 20.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2016 7:08:25 GMT -5
So disappointing. The sales were never really there for this one and it's a shame it won't be out when people actually really start fishing for the year. At the end of the day, it's a twangy song by females. Why WOULD radio play it? They'd rather fill their playlists with another "hey girl" hot beats song from [insert literally any marginally attractive guy's name here].
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Post by sabre14 on Mar 24, 2016 7:15:21 GMT -5
This song dying and "Little Bit Of You" staying legitimately makes me pissed off. Where did this song go wrong, the sales were fine enough. I'm really confused on why this song failed so badly, I thought it could at least get Top 20. Radio must not have thought it showed enough overall passion to continue converting it any further. It currently has the second highest total dislike on Mediabase's call-out survey and has a relatively high burn rate for a song in the 20's, that was released in November of 2015. The sales were never that strong, so that certainly wasn't going to help it. It didn't help that the young male demo either liked the song or hated it, as evidence by the 22% dislike and the 14% burn rate on MB for the 18-34 year old male demo on MB call-out survey...that's a really high burn rate for a song that's only 4 and a half months old. Radio's trending demo found this one polarizing and that's unfortunate since this is the kind of music that was the norm on Country radio for many years until the past 5-6 years or so. Dot/BMLG didn't see this one worth the fight in the end I guess and decided to let this one go now instead of later.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2016 7:24:40 GMT -5
Now I'm just wondering if Dot will even bother with another release. Since they've now lost a ton of momentum (they basically have none) I wonder what they'll release going into summer, I think they should release either "Sierra" "Downside Of Growing Up" or "After The Storm Blows Through" I know that releasing a ballad would be a bad idea, but "After The Storm Blows Through" just is so great and makes me so emotional whenever I listen to it.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Mar 24, 2016 7:33:03 GMT -5
Wow, this not even making the Top 20 is downright tragic. I'm both surprised and highly disappointed that this one failed. It was easily the standout hit left on the album, and it peaking this low and prematurely doesn't make sense to me, even given the factors at work like low sales and poor callout (I think it's wonderful and should've done a lot better on both of those fronts though). It's such a shame to see something like "Fly" out-perform this by so much because I definitely predicted this to go over on radio much better than that one did.
I'd pick "Waitin' on a Plane" for the fourth single personally because it's my favorite left on the album and one of the more radio-friendly choices left, though they have several decent options. I can see them getting another single to at least the Top 20 at this point provided it isn't totally polarizing for listeners like SUAF wound up being. Anything but "After the Storm Blows Through" could work.
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Post by matty005 on Mar 24, 2016 7:40:52 GMT -5
Stunned this didn't even make the top 20. I was thinking this was a surefire top 5 hit. Bummed this wasn't even close to the huge hit I was thinking it was going to be.
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Post by mus1cr0w on Mar 24, 2016 7:51:13 GMT -5
Pretty bummed over here as well. Especially given Chase Bryant is hanging in the top ten with a pos song.
I wonder if this is a symptom of a larger problem at BMLG. They really aren't breaking or sustaining most of their roster right now. Unless you are FGL, Tim or Thomas Rhett, you're pretty much in for a fight.
M&T, Danielle, Tara Thompson, Drake White, Cassidy, Brantley, EYB, Justin, Raelynn, Jennifer, Steven Tyler, TC3, 1000 Horses are all facing immense radio struggles. Brett, Levi, Breaking SW, and Tucker remain to be tested.
Whereas the labels used to help each other promote, I have heard that there is now tremendous in-fighting over there. Maybe radio doesn't want to play nice anymore with Borchetta while Sony, Warner and BBR are coming on strong.
Just a guess!
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Post by carriekins on Mar 24, 2016 7:59:18 GMT -5
I can't even. Ugh, I am so disappointed.
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Post by Cody Wants Out... on Mar 24, 2016 8:08:53 GMT -5
This is truly heartbreaking and really making me wonder if I should even continue with listening to country radio because I thought we were actually getting somewhere with having more females on the air and actual country songs seeing success. Evidently, it's way too soon for that.
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Post by kw9461 on Mar 24, 2016 11:54:21 GMT -5
"Shut Up And Fish" is finished. It lost 100 spins and 175k in audience today. It'll go recurrent on Mediabase this Sunday. I'm absolutely stunned this flopped so hard at radio. Such a clever and catchy song. I think we all knew that country music was essentially dead at country radio, but this feels like the obituary for me. Very depressing news.
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Post by M&TSwiftie on Mar 24, 2016 17:08:06 GMT -5
Wow I can't believe this. It's a shame I thought this was going to be big , this is clever country and good. Oh well, hopefully downside of growing up is the last single if another single off start here happens.
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Post by djHayStack on Mar 24, 2016 17:14:24 GMT -5
I share in the sorrow expressed here. One of my favorite singles of the year, but research killed it. Again, low passion, high burn for where the song is... unfortunate. I'm hoping "Sierra" is the next single. I asked them at a show about a month ago if it would be, and they shrugged their shoulders and basically said they had no input into what gets released.
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Post by sabre14 on Mar 24, 2016 18:00:53 GMT -5
One of my favorite singles of the year, but research killed it. Again, low passion, high burn for where the song is... unfortunate. I shared this earlier on in the thread but it's good to get some confirmation from someone like you who runs a radio station. I won't get that deep into my thoughts about how radio treats their research but it's unfortunate how much emphasis they put on it when it really is such a small sample size of their total audience -- the young male demo found this one very polarizing. The research is the single biggest reason this one stalled.
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Post by someguy on Mar 25, 2016 9:09:08 GMT -5
This posted a spins gain and a small audience loss today. Maybe it's not quite over yet? (Wishful thinking, probably). What a shame if radio lets this die out in the 20s
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Post by sabre14 on Mar 25, 2016 12:31:21 GMT -5
This posted a spins gain and a small audience loss today. Maybe it's not quite over yet? (Wishful thinking, probably). What a shame if radio lets this die out in the 20s Its lost over 100 spins and 1.0 million in audience on Mediabase since Sunday, so this one is done. If Dot's decided to keep this alive the rest of the week then so be it but radio has already made their collective minds up on "Shut Up And Fish." If it doesn't rally at least 110 spin over the next two days, it will be sent recurrent on MB.
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Post by g8erboi on Mar 26, 2016 10:54:57 GMT -5
So depressing. Really thought this would smash. Maybe if they released this in January instead of November it would have done better.
Hopefully they can pull a "Rewind", where the first single is a big hit, the middle two singles aren't, and then the last single becomes another big hit. I'm really hoping for "Downside" or "Plane" to be the next single. Hopefully Maddie & Tae will find their place with radio soon; they deserve to be mainstays.
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Post by tryexp on Mar 26, 2016 11:02:21 GMT -5
Since I had no idea research is that important I'm really surprised this failed to get at least to top 15. It's going to take a while to get album #2 out there so I'm all for releasing another single, but I fear Sierra might be too similar to this one. I love "After the storm..." but it screams bad idea to me. Maybe "Plane"?
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Post by The Brazilian Guy π§π· on Mar 26, 2016 18:05:35 GMT -5
It's quite crazy to see a safe song like "Fly" go top10 and then this dying so soon... I though it would a big hit for them! Hopefully, something else from Start Here can perform better until we get a new album .
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Post by mikeymike00 on Mar 26, 2016 18:24:47 GMT -5
I never understood the love for this song. I feel like its one of the albums weaker songs. Hopefully the do release something else from the album though
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Post by djHayStack on Apr 5, 2016 12:46:48 GMT -5
I thought "Fly" was mediocre at best, and was surprised it didn't die sooner. They released it in an attempt to keep from pigeon-holing M+T as a novelty song act, which I get. Then I thought Fish would do well, but didn't. I enjoy "Sierra," but I think it'll be too polarizing to be released as a single. Without any real momentum, don't be shocked if Dot waits until fall and releases a ballad as an early single from the next project. They need to legitimize M&T as artists beyond the novelty, and no country artist has ever had a long-standing career without a hit ballad. I could see a release of "Your Side of Town" (fun summer song) or "No Place Like You" (less likely until fall) happening, but I'd be surprised if anything else on the album would make an impact at radio. Then again, these are gut guesses, so who knows.
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Post by djHayStack on Apr 5, 2016 12:50:51 GMT -5
One of my favorite singles of the year, but research killed it. Again, low passion, high burn for where the song is... unfortunate. I shared this earlier on in the thread but it's good to get some confirmation from someone like you who runs a radio station. I won't get that deep into my thoughts about how radio treats their research but it's unfortunate how much emphasis they put on it when it really is such a small sample size of their total audience -- the young male demo found this one very polarizing. The research is the single biggest reason this one stalled. I could opine for some time about the emphasis we put on research as well, but the truth is, it's the biggest tool in our toolbox. I'm a firm believer that we shouldn't program exclusively to research, but to ignore it would be foolish. Programming, in my humble opinion, is a blend of science and art. Research is the science side, and the most important, but sometimes you've got to listen to intuition a little bit, too. I'm a novice, so my opinion shouldn't carry much weight. That said, my little upstart is challenging a heritage station in the market, and in just 2 years we've made a huge impact. It wouldn't have happened on research alone, as I'm often on songs well before research is available. The hard part of that art side of things is relating to a mid-30's mother when thinking about music as a mid-30's single party guy.
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