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Post by krud489 on Feb 27, 2016 7:24:36 GMT -5
Is Sony just gonna let this happen? Keith will blow by Carrie on BB by Monday at this rate. I don't think they'd be so generous if Carrie wasn't involved. This is disappointing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2016 7:38:19 GMT -5
Is Sony just gonna let this happen? Keith will blow by Carrie on BB by Monday at this rate. I don't think they'd be so generous if Carrie wasn't involved. This is disappointing. I don't get why all you Carrie Underwood fans are getting all worked up about this. Carrie Underwood can still get 1-2 weeks at the top on BB. Also to just assume that because Carrie Underwood is the artist Sony isn't being generous is kinda stupid in my opinion, I think Sony recognizes that Capitol is really pushing Keith Urban as hard as possible and I think they don't want the extremely high levels of AirPlay Keith Urban seems to be getting because then it'll be very difficult for "Heartbeat" to keep those AirPlay levels.
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Post by rsmatto on Feb 27, 2016 9:21:24 GMT -5
Is Sony just gonna let this happen? Keith will blow by Carrie on BB by Monday at this rate. I don't think they'd be so generous if Carrie wasn't involved. This is disappointing. I don't get why all you Carrie Underwood fans are getting all worked up about this. Carrie Underwood can still get 1-2 weeks at the top on BB. Also to just assume that because Carrie Underwood is the artist Sony isn't being generous is kinda stupid in my opinion, I think Sony recognizes that Capitol is really pushing Keith Urban as hard as possible and I think they don't want the extremely high levels of AirPlay Keith Urban seems to be getting because then it'll be very difficult for "Heartbeat" to keep those AirPlay levels. Because there's an element within Carrie's core fan base that has a defeatist attitude about her success relative to the charts and other female stars. Why? I haven't a clue.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 27, 2016 10:29:55 GMT -5
Today's update would certainly suggest, I think, that Keith is going for #1 on both charts, no? So aggravating... Not only because Carrie could have three weeks, but also because of the clear manipulation; it makes chart watching boring. There's no excitement when #1 songs are predetermined...' This has been the case for years, so I fail to understand why some of you have remained invested.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 27, 2016 10:34:22 GMT -5
I don't get why all you Carrie Underwood fans are getting all worked up about this. Carrie Underwood can still get 1-2 weeks at the top on BB. Also to just assume that because Carrie Underwood is the artist Sony isn't being generous is kinda stupid in my opinion, I think Sony recognizes that Capitol is really pushing Keith Urban as hard as possible and I think they don't want the extremely high levels of AirPlay Keith Urban seems to be getting because then it'll be very difficult for "Heartbeat" to keep those AirPlay levels. Because there's an element within Carrie's core fan base that has a defeatist attitude about her success relative to the charts and other female stars. Why? I haven't a clue. I think it comes from her having to take the backseat in radio manipulation the past few years. Carrie hasn't had a #1 on Billboard Country Airplay since "Blown Away," and her singles have consistently had the rug pulled out just as they are contending for #1. "Something in the Water" peaked at #3 there despite its relatively huge downloads that took it to #1 on Country Songs for a couple months. Now this week "Heartbeat" seemed prime to take over #1, and suddenly it stalls and Keith Urban is allowed to take over. Why wouldn't her fans feel a bit defeatist?
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Post by Marv on Feb 27, 2016 11:26:17 GMT -5
Some of the Carriefans posters do go overboard although being passionate about any given artist applies to fans of any act in any genre.
Getting bent out of shape over Ms. Ballerini's chart successes is indeed absurd given Ms. Underwood's staggering string of accomplishments over the past decade, starting with unprecedented SPSPW numbers for JTTW on top of selling 7,000,000+ copies of 'Some Hearts', another country genre feat which remains unmatched a decade later as Joe Galante observed in 2007.
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Post by onebuffalo on Feb 27, 2016 11:39:15 GMT -5
Some of the Carriefans posters do go overboard although being passionate about any given artist applies to fans of any act in any genre. Getting bent out of shape over Ms. Ballerini's chart successes is indeed absurd given Ms. Underwood's staggering string of accomplishments over the past decade, starting with unprecedented SPSPW numbers for JTTW on top of selling 7,000,000+ copies of 'Some Hearts', another country genre feat which remains unmatched a decade later as Joe Galante observed in 2007. Some Hearts. ONLY the #1 album of the decade according to Billboard.
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Post by Zazie on Feb 27, 2016 12:34:46 GMT -5
I don't think today's update guarantees that Urban's going for the BB #1. I won't be sure of that until we see the Monday numbers -- if KU only gains 600k tomorrow and CU picks up, say, 400, then there's still a way for KU to lose out on Billboard.
But I do think it's much more likely that Urban's going to get both the #1's. What goes up, though, can come down. Really fast.
I can see that Billboard's giving away its legitimacy with a string of moves in which, for example, they don't adhere to their own bullet/recurrent rules. But it's still easy for me to see why BB is more important as a source of historical chart data. MB doesn't archive its charts. MB doesn't go back to the 1940's. MB uses a mysterious "points" system instead of a clear understandable criterion. I'm not even sure MB uses electronic measuring devices to generate its chart. And also MB only posts a 50-position chart. I think the 60-position BB chart is better.
Even if BB works hard to undermine itself, it will still be awhile before BB "catches up to" MB.
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Post by sabre14 on Feb 27, 2016 13:03:49 GMT -5
Artista knows what Capitol's plans are right now like jhomes87 mentioned yesterday. If Capitol stops pushing "Break On Me" after Saturday, then all of this talk (since most of the posts are concerned about Billboard) will be moot, since that will likely pave the way for Sony to take Billboard and I'm pretty sure Arista's promotion staff will see that through. But if Arista knows Capitol is going for both charts then they will be content with waiting until next week and the week after that. I definitely think a split between Carrie and Randy could happen next week. This entire thing all boils down to contentment. If Sony lets UMG have both charts, then a potential three week #1 on Billboard isn't enough in their minds to fight over. And if UMG stops pushing Sunday, then they don't care enough about Billboard to even bother with it. Then there's the fact that the folks who run these labels and promotion departments are friends -- perhaps close friends -- which prohibits competition in these circumstances. It's just little old insignificant us that gets screwed...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2016 15:17:23 GMT -5
Because there's an element within Carrie's core fan base that has a defeatist attitude about her success relative to the charts and other female stars. Why? I don't have a clue. Yeah I saw someone say that they think Kelsea Ballerini is taking all the star power away from Carrie Underwood or something. That fan board site is insane I just check on it to get the occasional laugh. Also I changed your statement so it was proper English. No offense it was bugging the crap out of me. I don't mean to be rude, but, your posts often contain grammar mistakes and most of us haven't come down on you about it (but since you're trying to correct others now, I can't resist pointing out that the last sentence in your first paragraph here is a run-on sentence). Also, what rsmatto said ("I haven't a clue") is proper English. Anyway...I totally understand why Carrie fans would be upset about what's happening right now. In the grand scheme of things, yes, she's had an incredible 10-year career. But if you primarily follow the Billboard charts and you've had to watch as, time and time again, the rug gets pulled out from under CU singles just as they're about to ascend to #1, you might be annoyed too. Why do sports fans get upset when their team loses? Some people care about the charts. Some people don't. And apparently a lot of people can't understand that everybody's different.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2016 15:45:07 GMT -5
Yeah I saw someone say that they think Kelsea Ballerini is taking all the star power away from Carrie Underwood or something. That fan board site is insane I just check on it to get the occasional laugh. Also I changed your statement so it was proper English. No offense it was bugging the crap out of me. I don't mean to be rude, but, your posts often contain grammar mistakes and most of us haven't come down on you about it (but since you're trying to correct others now, I can't resist pointing out that the last sentence in your first paragraph here is a run-on sentence). Also, what rsmatto said ("I haven't a clue") is proper English. Anyway...I totally understand why Carrie fans would be upset about what's happening right now. In the grand scheme of things, yes, she's had an incredible 10-year career. But if you primarily follow the Billboard charts and you've had to watch as, time and time again, the rug gets pulled out from under CU singles just as they're about to ascend to #1, you might be annoyed too. Why do sports fans get upset when their team loses? Some people care about the charts. Some people don't. And apparently a lot of people can't understand that everybody's different. "I haven't a clue", like I said that out loud and it didn't sound right so sorry. I also thought I was getting better at posting but I guess not (Question; Am I hated in the country forum? Just wondering, I'll understand if I am, and I'll keep trying to improve). No, what gets me mad, is the fact that Carrie Underwood fans start go wild with conspiracy theories. I simply don't get annoyed with it as I'm just like "eh whatever if this song wasn't meant to hit the top it wasn't meant to be, nothing I can do about it". Yeah, I understand that people are different. I care about the charts (otherwise I wouldn't be doing chart predictions every week), but in the grand scheme of things I simply shrug my shoulders if a song I like doesn't hit the top. I know there's people that are passionate, I'm just not.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2016 16:10:39 GMT -5
I also thought I was getting better at posting but I guess not (Question; Am I hated in the country forum? Just wondering, I'll understand if I am, and I'll keep trying to improve). No, what gets me mad, is the fact that Carrie Underwood fans start go wild with conspiracy theories. I simply don't get annoyed with it as I'm just like "eh whatever if this song wasn't meant to hit the top it wasn't meant to be, nothing I can do about it". Well, I can't speak for others, but I don't hate you, and I would hope that nobody else does either. After all, this is an internet forum, and 99% of us don't know each other in real life. My advice to you (and to everybody, really) is to just be you and to not try to please anybody else. I mean, there's no way you're going to be able to please everybody. So, just be yourself, talk about what you like to talk about...stuff like that. Oh, and just to be clear, my comment that "a lot of people can't understand that everybody's different" wasn't directed at you or any other particular person. It was more of a general statement that I think applies to most online conversation these days. We're all guilty of it at times, and I think it's a good thing to be reminded from time to time to try to be a bit more understanding of others, or to at least try to see where they might be coming from (in cases where we disagree with them). I do agree that people these days have the tendency to go overboard with conspiracy theories and to always feel like their favorite artist is getting the short end of the stick, but it's like that for all popular artists and their fan-bases. People get passionate about things, whether it's music, sports, or something else, and there's nothing wrong with that. However, in this case, I can certainly understand why the Carrie fans are upset. What's happening on the chart (regarding Keith) is completely artificial. I understand that this is how radio and the charts work these days, but it doesn't mean that I have to like it.
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Post by onebuffalo on Feb 27, 2016 16:11:26 GMT -5
I don't mean to be rude, but, your posts often contain grammar mistakes and most of us haven't come down on you about it (but since you're trying to correct others now, I can't resist pointing out that the last sentence in your first paragraph here is a run-on sentence). Also, what rsmatto said ("I haven't a clue") is proper English. Anyway...I totally understand why Carrie fans would be upset about what's happening right now. In the grand scheme of things, yes, she's had an incredible 10-year career. But if you primarily follow the Billboard charts and you've had to watch as, time and time again, the rug gets pulled out from under CU singles just as they're about to ascend to #1, you might be annoyed too. Why do sports fans get upset when their team loses? Some people care about the charts. Some people don't. And apparently a lot of people can't understand that everybody's different. "I haven't a clue", like I said that out loud and it didn't sound right so sorry. I also thought I was getting better at posting but I guess not (Question; Am I hated in the country forum? Just wondering, I'll understand if I am, and I'll keep trying to improve). No, what gets me mad, is the fact that Carrie Underwood fans start go wild with conspiracy theories. I simply don't get annoyed with it as I'm just like "eh whatever if this song wasn't meant to hit the top it wasn't meant to be, nothing I can do about it". Yeah, I understand that people are different. I care about the charts (otherwise I wouldn't be doing chart predictions every week), but in the grand scheme of things I simply shrug my shoulders if a song I like doesn't hit the top. I know there's people that are passionate, I'm just not. No, you're not hated in the country forum. I like your posts and you provide an invaluable service here. Especially in the predictions thread. If you leave, I will find you!
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Post by joey2002 on Feb 27, 2016 16:41:24 GMT -5
So aggravating... Not only because Carrie could have three weeks, but also because of the clear manipulation; it makes chart watching boring. There's no excitement when #1 songs are predetermined...' Honestly, this is why I don't follow the charts like I used to. +244 spins, +1.4 Million AI, 1027 bullet? That type of manipulation is simply disgraceful.
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Post by krud489 on Feb 27, 2016 16:47:09 GMT -5
Like someone said earlier, we all have our favorites. Whether it be in sports or music or anything else. When your favorite comes up short it is disappointing. Just with Carrie it seems to be the same type of thing the last couple years. It seems to be different this time as you all believe the potential is there for #1 the next couple weeks. We all agree the push for Keith is insane.
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Post by justme60 on Feb 27, 2016 21:15:58 GMT -5
Well, didn't the very same situation happen to Keith's JJJ song when Kenny Chesney's song jumped him and stayed 3 weeks and kept JJJ at #2? I am a Keith Urban fan and that did not set too well with me so I can see how Carrie's fans feel, but I'm so sorry, but I truly hope Keith can get the BB #1.
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Post by Future Captain on Feb 27, 2016 21:54:53 GMT -5
Waiiit. I didn't follow this for just two days and now it's very likely that it won't get to number one when it's pretty much a sure bet just before that? Oh well, I guess I'll never understand what's up with Country radio and labels...
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Feb 27, 2016 22:58:37 GMT -5
In other news, I'm going to sit back and eat my popcorn as I watch the catfight between Carrie and Keith fans start to commence bwahaha. I'm hard pressed to think of a comment more likely to derail a discussion into ill-tempered and off-topic sniping than one that mockingly generalizes about a group of fans, some of whom are your fellow posters, while using a sexist term for the conflict one hopes to see. ETA: zack97 apologized for his comment & deleted his post. Thanks & credit to him for that. We've all been glib. We learn, we move on.Yeah I saw someone say that they think Kelsea Ballerini is taking all the star power away from Carrie Underwood or something. That fan board site is insane I just check on it to get the occasional laugh. Similarly, it's beyond me how the excesses of a fan board whose members' behavior is not reflected here are on topic. I picked up a guideline from my time at Television Without Pity that has proven to be a useful rule of thumb when it comes to message board conversation. The rule over there was "Don't talk about the boards on the boards." In other words, our conversations on the boards were supposed to stick to the designated topic -- the singer, the actor, the TV character, the television episode that had just aired, whatever -- and not stray into meta-conversation about the why the board was the way it was or why some posters behave the way they do. The logic was that when discussion moved from the art/artist to each other, that tended to turn civil, dispassionate exchanges of opinions into nastier back & forths full of dug-in-heel defensiveness and people talking past each other. I'm reminded of the value of that guideline when I see posts like the ones I quoted above. There are a few threads here of late where people have talked about the boundaries of appropriate posting. I'll pipe up in those as well. For now, I'll just say that to the degree that we prefer to have a good, substantive conversation here, we can all be more aware of whether what we say may read as an insult to our fellow posters or otherwise prompt off-topic defensiveness, and we can all be smarter about what we say with that in mind.
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Post by desertfloods on Feb 27, 2016 23:09:48 GMT -5
Well, there we go again with country radio. Same thread, same story, just different Carrie single.
Zackkep97, I'm afraid your popcorn will be wasted.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2016 0:49:08 GMT -5
43dudleyvillas I decided to delete my post you quoted, as I felt I stepped out of line.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2016 0:59:52 GMT -5
43dudleyvillas I decided to delete my post you quoted, as I felt I stepped out of line. As did I, and for the same reason.
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Post by bboat11 on Feb 28, 2016 3:07:31 GMT -5
I am definitely not disappointed with how this week is turning out. I am on cloud 9! Carrie is finally in a position where she had the Billboard #1 almost-guaranteed, is potentially losing it at the last-minute due to an insane push from another song, and yet STILL has a multi-week Billboard #1 almost-guaranteed after that other song begins to fall. Everything is working out perfectly for her! She is in a position where regardless of whatever shenanigans Keith Urban's label decides to pull this week, she still holds the upper hand. That is such a nice position to see Carrie in :)
Keith Urban has always been an artist who I historically support as well, so I am alright with the fact that he is looking to get the #1 here too.
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Post by ILLUSION on Feb 28, 2016 11:14:54 GMT -5
This is one of my favorite Carrie singles in a long time. I'm sure it will go #1.
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Post by matty005 on Feb 28, 2016 11:52:17 GMT -5
This is one of my favorite Carrie singles in a long time. I'm sure it will go #1. You're really going out on a limb with that prediction. ;)
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Post by onebuffalo on Feb 28, 2016 14:35:51 GMT -5
Now, can we all kiss and make up? Keep saying Heartbeat will be #1. Heartbeat will be #1.
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Post by ant on Feb 29, 2016 20:13:56 GMT -5
I'm confused...is Carrie getting the Billboard #1 or not?
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Post by sabre14 on Feb 29, 2016 20:16:35 GMT -5
I'm confused...is Carrie getting the Billboard #1 or not? We haven't gotten the issue yet but Keith in all likelihood took the Billboard #1 this week. Carrie will get to #1 next week or the week after.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2016 20:17:21 GMT -5
I'm confused...is Carrie getting the Billboard #1 or not? Not yet, Keith Urban "Break On Me" surged really high in audience numbers. Carrie Underwood can still make two weeks at #1 on BB if she tries hard enough this next week. Of course, sabre14 manages to get it before me, dang it (Just Kidding)
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Post by countrygirl918 on Feb 29, 2016 21:38:50 GMT -5
I'm confused...is Carrie getting the Billboard #1 or not? Not this week. Keith Urban has the official #1, as per tonight's BCU. This is why I never believe anyone when they say it's a "sure thing" that Carrie will go #1. She always seems to get the unlucky breaks right at the last minute. But hopefully she'll stick around and get the #1 next week.
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Mar 1, 2016 1:27:41 GMT -5
Has SN put out a power up for max spins yet? KU is going to drop like a rock after this major chart manipulation. Heartbeat is still a young song, and should be able to get the #1 this coming week on both charts, unless Randy Houser goes for it this week, which I don't see Randy winning because Carrie's song is younger, has more streaming and downloads and has better call-out scores. I'm just amazed that SN wasn't really the reason this missed #1 this week, but rather Scott Borchetta using disgusting chart manipulation tactics.
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