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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2016 2:04:49 GMT -5
Has SN put out a power up for max spins yet? KU is going to drop like a rock after this major chart manipulation. Heartbeat is still a young song, and should be able to get the #1 this coming week on both charts, unless Randy Houser goes for it this week, which I don't see Randy winning because Carrie's song is younger, has more streaming and downloads and has better call-out scores. I'm just amazed that SN wasn't really the reason this missed #1 this week, but rather Scott Borchetta using disgusting chart manipulation tactics. Scott Borchetta wasn't involved here, at all. No ads from Sony tonight. Randy Houser's team has made it pretty clear that they'll be gunning hard for #1 (they've had a lot of ads out, going back more than a week already), and I'm thinking that Sony will once again sit back and let another artist get an easy #1 hit with a song ("We Went") that won't really earn its way to the top. You're right that "Heartbeat" is the younger song and the bigger hit when it comes to sales, downloads, and callout...but that didn't matter last week when "Break On Me" got pushed to #1 (BOM isn't nearly as old as Houser's song is, but it is older than "Heartbeat", and Keith's sales and streams are considerably lower than Carrie's as well). It's possible that Randy will settle for a Mediabase-only #1 which would still give Carrie a chance at a 2-week Billboard #1...but it's looking more and more likely that "Heartbeat" will only be a 1-week #1 on both charts (Carrie should easily top the charts the week ending March 13th). I don't know why labels allow competing/rival labels to leapfrog to the top spot. It makes absolutely no sense to me, but this is the country radio industry, where all the radio folks and the label folks are all "friends" with each other. But even keeping that in mind, I still don't understand why Sony would gift-wrap #1 hits for Universal and Broken Bow. Being "friends" isn't a good enough reason. Radio and all the big labels have pretty much bought into this belief that everybody has to have their turn at #1 (rolls eyes). If I worked for Carrie's label, I'd market/promote "Heartbeat" more aggressively to radio...all I'd really need to do is point out the simple facts that it's selling and streaming better. If more labels did this (and if radio wasn't so hellbent on handing out #1 hits), I think we'd see less #1's. Randy Houser's label would have no argument...they'd have to settle for a #2 peak at best, because all the numbers indicate that "Heartbeat" is a far bigger hit than "We Went" is. In short, if radio didn't bend to label coercion and actually looked at these other indicators (sales, streams, listener feedback) when deciding which songs to move into #1 rotation, then "Heartbeat" would have almost certainly blocked "Break On Me" and "We Went", and possibly "Dibs", too. Also, Luke Bryan would have probably blocked Granger Smith. But unfortunately, radio is too busy giving #1's to almost everybody who gets close (most top 5 hits go #1), basically ensuring that we have a new #1 on Mediabase every Sunday.
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Post by sbp17 on Mar 1, 2016 3:53:58 GMT -5
Seems like only yesterday there was so much ado about Reba's Somebody ascending to number one through label manipulation. So much so that Billboard changed reporting policy. Now, it's just standard business and nobody (except super fans and chart followers) bats an eye.
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Post by blujayyoungs on Mar 1, 2016 6:29:51 GMT -5
so what are the chances at this going #1?
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Post by strikeleo on Mar 1, 2016 6:52:35 GMT -5
Has SN put out a power up for max spins yet? KU is going to drop like a rock after this major chart manipulation. Heartbeat is still a young song, and should be able to get the #1 this coming week on both charts, unless Randy Houser goes for it this week, which I don't see Randy winning because Carrie's song is younger, has more streaming and downloads and has better call-out scores. I'm just amazed that SN wasn't really the reason this missed #1 this week, but rather Scott Borchetta using disgusting chart manipulation tactics. Scott Borchetta wasn't involved here, at all. No ads from Sony tonight. Randy Houser's team has made it pretty clear that they'll be gunning hard for #1 (they've had a lot of ads out, going back more than a week already), and I'm thinking that Sony will once again sit back and let another artist get an easy #1 hit with a song ("We Went") that won't really earn its way to the top. You're right that "Heartbeat" is the younger song and the bigger hit when it comes to sales, downloads, and callout...but that didn't matter last week when "Break On Me" got pushed to #1 (BOM isn't nearly as old as Houser's song is, but it is older than "Heartbeat", and Keith's sales and streams are considerably lower than Carrie's as well). It's possible that Randy will settle for a Mediabase-only #1 which would still give Carrie a chance at a 2-week Billboard #1...but it's looking more and more likely that "Heartbeat" will only be a 1-week #1 on both charts (Carrie should easily top the charts the week ending March 13th). I don't know why labels allow competing/rival labels to leapfrog to the top spot. It makes absolutely no sense to me, but this is the country radio industry, where all the radio folks and the label folks are all "friends" with each other. But even keeping that in mind, I still don't understand why Sony would gift-wrap #1 hits for Universal and Broken Bow. Being "friends" isn't a good enough reason. Radio and all the big labels have pretty much bought into this belief that everybody has to have their turn at #1 (rolls eyes). If I worked for Carrie's label, I'd market/promote "Heartbeat" more aggressively to radio...all I'd really need to do is point out the simple facts that it's selling and streaming better. If more labels did this (and if radio wasn't so hellbent on handing out #1 hits), I think we'd see less #1's. Randy Houser's label would have no argument...they'd have to settle for a #2 peak at best, because all the numbers indicate that "Heartbeat" is a far bigger hit than "We Went" is. In short, if radio didn't bend to label coercion and actually looked at these other indicators (sales, streams, listener feedback) when deciding which songs to move into #1 rotation, then "Heartbeat" would have almost certainly blocked "Break On Me" and "We Went", and possibly "Dibs", too. Also, Luke Bryan would have probably blocked Granger Smith. But unfortunately, radio is too busy giving #1's to almost everybody who gets close (most top 5 hits go #1), basically ensuring that we have a new #1 on Mediabase every Sunday. I feel like labels play this game because they know they'll need the same "kindess" from other labels eventually. Carrie doesn't need much help to get to number 1 now, but a bunch of other artists on their roster possibly will, so they don't want to burn bridges... It's a game that favors all labels.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Mar 1, 2016 8:49:41 GMT -5
No ads from Sony tonight. Randy Houser's team has made it pretty clear that they'll be gunning hard for #1 (they've had a lot of ads out, going back more than a week already), and I'm thinking that Sony will once again sit back and let another artist get an easy #1 hit with a song ("We Went") that won't really earn its way to the top. You're right that "Heartbeat" is the younger song and the bigger hit when it comes to sales, downloads, and callout...but that didn't matter last week when "Break On Me" got pushed to #1 (BOM isn't nearly as old as Houser's song is, but it is older than "Heartbeat", and Keith's sales and streams are considerably lower than Carrie's as well). ... I don't know why labels allow competing/rival labels to leapfrog to the top spot. It makes absolutely no sense to me, but this is the country radio industry, where all the radio folks and the label folks are all "friends" with each other. But even keeping that in mind, I still don't understand why Sony would gift-wrap #1 hits for Universal and Broken Bow. Being "friends" isn't a good enough reason. I've also been scratching my head as to why a Sony team that asserted itself in multi-week pushes for Kenny Chesney's "Save It for a Rainy Day," Old Dominion's "Break Up with Him" and Chris Young's "I'm Comin' Over" isn't stepping up for a song that is every bit as obviously a multi-week #1 in "Heartbeat." Perhaps the Arista Nashville promotion team shake up that countrygirl918 noted last week has left the door open for other labels to manufacture pushes at "Heartbeat"'s expense. Unfortunate timing if that's the case. The team changes had two of the three people who joined Carrie for this Music Row interview, including Lesly Simon, whom Carrie had worked with for a while, exiting the label, while Lauren Thomas was promoted from her Arista Nashville role to a role overseeing all three Sony promo teams. My instinct was to think that the personnel changes put Columbia Nashville promo team in more of a lurch than Arista Nashville, but any personnel changes were going to have an impact on the ability of a team to be aggressive behind a single, I suppose. If I'm not mistaken, Carrie is scheduled to be a part of Bobby Bones' Pimpin' Joy week next week. While that may be more in connection with their duet on his comedy album, the combination of that appearance, a decent cushion ahead of "Beautiful Drug" and Carrie's Country Countdown USA co-hosting stint will hopefully be enough to snag "Heartbeat" at least the one week at #1.
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Post by Marv on Mar 1, 2016 15:02:50 GMT -5
As expected, the ubiquitous MAX SPINS NOW ad for 'Heartbeat' appeared some three hours in a couple of Country Aircheck bulletins.
This week's chart pyrotechnics are going to be fun to watch.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2016 15:22:13 GMT -5
I've also been scratching my head as to why a Sony team that asserted itself in multi-week pushes for Kenny Chesney's "Save It for a Rainy Day," Old Dominion's "Break Up with Him" and Chris Young's "I'm Comin' Over" isn't stepping up for a song that is every bit as obviously a multi-week #1 in "Heartbeat." Perhaps the Arista Nashville promotion team shake up that countrygirl918 noted last week has left the door open for other labels to manufacture pushes at "Heartbeat"'s expense. Unfortunate timing if that's the case. Apparently Sony does have #1 aspirations this week. Arista is running this ad in the Country Aircheck emails today: Today's update was a big victory for Randy, but hopefully "Heartbeat" can be more competitive in the coming days. I don't think it'd be a good idea for Sony to just let Randy have the #1, especially since they just let Capitol and Keith have the #1. I do think "Heartbeat" can keep climbing through Carrie's CC-USA co-hosting gig on the 12th/13th but I think it'd be safer for Arista to battle for #1 this week, just in case "Heartbeat" is unable to stay at such lofty audience levels next week. I initially didn't think that the shake-up among the Sony promotion staff would have too much of an effect on "Heartbeat" but after seeing the song dramatically slow down last week, now I'm not so sure. I still think most of the slowdown can be attributed to Sony deliberately allowing "Break On Me" to move ahead, but it's possible that the Sony promotion team is a bit wobbly right now...which means it's possible that "Heartbeat" is being affected a little bit. In any case, I still really like Carrie's chances to get to #1. If she does lose out to Randy this week, I still think she'll get there next week. But it's definitely a bit unfortunate that Sony Nashville chose last week as the time to restructure their promotion department, especially since one of their biggest hits in many months is about to ascend to #1. They really should have waited a few weeks, since the next Sony song on the charts is Old Dominion's "Snapback", which is still many weeks away from contending for #1.
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Mar 2, 2016 8:15:23 GMT -5
The max spins ad I hope means that they are committed to the #1 this week and aren't going to let Randy just take it with a mediocre song. Besides, Randy's still far behind her in my opinion.
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Post by ericNY2002 on Mar 2, 2016 8:33:40 GMT -5
In response to 43dudleyvillas, the reason why Old Dominion, Kenny Chesney and Chris Young all got multi-week #1s was because their songs got to #1 on billboard a week before they did on Mediabase. As a trend now, most labels will continue to push the singles until they get their week at the top on Mediabase. Since all the countdown shows now use Mediabase for their charts, there is a sense of importance (maybe even more so now than the billboard airplay chart)to go #1 on there. Of course, if there is a billboard only #1 (rarely happens now) the label will still claim their song as a #1 hit, but I do think if they could only be #1 on 1 of the charts, most would pick Mediabase over Billboard now (thought I would never say that 15 or so years ago)
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Post by krud489 on Mar 3, 2016 6:59:56 GMT -5
Is there a chance they could still get 2 weeks between Randy and ZBB?
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Post by sabre14 on Mar 3, 2016 7:35:18 GMT -5
Is there a chance they could still get 2 weeks between Randy and ZBB? Yes, they could get two weeks at Billboard and one week at Mediabase with Randy getting the Mediabase chart this week. "We Went" will be #1 on Mediabase this Sunday but it remains to be seen what happens at Billboard by Monday evening.
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Post by onebuffalo on Mar 3, 2016 14:06:38 GMT -5
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Post by CoJoFan on Mar 3, 2016 19:51:25 GMT -5
It's #1 on Mediabase as of right now but with Randy's album coming out a week from tomorrow, he might get the push to #1 denying Carrie the #1 spot on Billboard again. I like this song better than Randy's but it's going to be a race between her and Randy for the Billboard #1.
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Post by Massikur2 on Mar 4, 2016 10:24:52 GMT -5
Randy's taken the #1 spot on Mediabase as of this morning. I'm a little more annoyed by this development than I should be.
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Post by krud489 on Mar 4, 2016 10:27:27 GMT -5
Dumb question. How do 2 labels push in the same week and how does know which to push more? If one is going for MB and the other for BB does it depend on what time of day they spin the songs or how's that work? I'm sure the labels and radio stations all agree on the plan, but how is it actually executed? Thanks.
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Post by sabre14 on Mar 4, 2016 13:28:01 GMT -5
Dumb question. How do 2 labels push in the same week and how does know which to push more? If one is going for MB and the other for BB does it depend on what time of day they spin the songs or how's that work? I'm sure the labels and radio stations all agree on the plan, but how is it actually executed? Thanks. Both BBMG and Sony are pushing for max spins this week but Randy's team made it known two weeks back that they would be pushing for #1 this week. Sony put a max spins in Aircheck this past week so it appears they're going to try for #1 with Stoney Creek and if they lose out they still will be far enough ahead in audience from ZBB to rest pretty comfortably for next week. I think "Heartbeat" will fall in spins and audience by next Sunday/Monday, but it won't be enough to lose out on #1. I still believe Randy will take Mediabase and if they continue to push through Sunday, they'll take Billboard, although Carrie's Billboard chances are still relatively reasonable for this Monday. Both songs aren't so astronomical in audience that stations are weary of giving them both max spins. Randy's gotten more because his label has been really gunning for those overnight spins, which aid in obtaining the Mediabase #1 since that's a points system. Billboard is only in audience so daytime spins would aid more than overnight spins but stations aren't quite as willing to give those up as overnight spins, especially for a song as old as Randy's. Stoney Creek is bending over backwards for the Mediabase #1 and they will likely attempt the Billboard #1 on Sunday (Monday update), since Billboard's tabulations go through Sunday. Carrie's team is trying for #1 as well but they know they have next week to fall back on if they come up short. Randy however will start to fall pretty hard next week so it's now or never for him.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2016 14:14:52 GMT -5
Dumb question. How do 2 labels push in the same week and how does know which to push more? If one is going for MB and the other for BB does it depend on what time of day they spin the songs or how's that work? I'm sure the labels and radio stations all agree on the plan, but how is it actually executed? Thanks. They're both gonna push as hard as they can, but I think there's a general understanding within the industry that, if 2 songs push in the same week, then the "lesser" hit will most likely have to settle for a Mediabase-only #1, since it's far easier to get to #1 on Mediabase than it is on Billboard. That's not to say that Randy's team won't go for the Billboard #1, but I don't think Sony Nashville will cede the BB #1 like they have with the MB #1. As sabre14 said, Mediabase is a points-based chart, which means that spins are more important than audience. So it's possible to get to #1 in points by racking up a bunch of overnight spins (often from syndicated shows). Billboard ranks the songs by total audience, though, and it's harder for a song to dramatically increase the amount of big market and daytime spins, because a song on the verge of #1 is already receiving about as many big market and daytime spins as possible. Anyway, even though there is a desired outcome for both parties (BBRMG is likely hoping for the #1 on both charts, or at least Mediabase, whereas Sony is likely hoping for the Billboard #1, and then topping both charts next weekend), I don't think anybody can know what will exactly happen until the tracking period ends. I suppose it's possible that there could be open dialogue between BBRMG and Sony (I shudder at the thought), but even if that were the case there are still other wildcards. There are enough stations that might not want to play along with the labels' games, and will simply play the song that they think is most deserving of #1.
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Post by krud489 on Mar 4, 2016 14:37:48 GMT -5
Thanks for the info. Great explanations and it makes sense. Simply put at MB spins are more important and BB being heard by a bigger market is more important.
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Mar 5, 2016 13:06:03 GMT -5
I see them splitting the #1 with Randy taking the MB and Carrie taking the MB, with Carrie taking MB next week and a 2nd week at BB. Sony is being too nice. Carrie could've had a 3-week #1 if they wouldn't have let Keith and Randy by.
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Post by Massikur2 on Mar 5, 2016 14:11:40 GMT -5
On one hand, we can consider Sony's 'generosity' on the charts a bad thing, as it appears that they continuously sacrifice Carrie's potential #1s; conversely, I guess it just goes to show that they know her career has the longevity to withstand such and she can still sell records regardless. Obviously she's meeting or exceeding the record company's standards, otherwise they wouldn't take such a lax approach.
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Post by sabre14 on Mar 5, 2016 15:12:10 GMT -5
conversely, I guess it just goes to show that they know her career has the longevity to withstand such and she can still sell records regardless. I don't mean to be mean so please don't think I am, but seriously? With all due respect, I literally can't even begin to comprehend a statement like that. Carrie's singles peaking at #1 on Mediabase and #2 on Billboard is not a plague that makes it harder for her to withstand her longevity and sell records. The difference of her not getting Billboard #1's is literally 1.0 million or less in total audience and that is not enough to believe she's at a competitive disadvantage. I understand the frustration with Sony letting other labels pass "Heartbeat" and them being content with a one week stay at #1 but she's doing absolutely fine and her singles peaking at #2 has no bearing on her album sales. I have the total Billboard audience between "Heartbeat" and "We Went" extremely close as of today as Randy's song gained over 1.2 million in audience while Carrie gained 315k. "We Went" has gained 5.3 million in audience since Monday while "Heartbeat" has gained roughly 2.0 million in audience over the same time frame. I think Carrie is ahead on Billboard by the slimiest of margins today. If Stoney Creek pushes through Sunday they have a good shot at getting both charts this week and tomorrow's update might be very important. If Randy out gains Carrie by another 1.0 million in audience on Mediabase on Sunday, I'll be very nervous for the Billboard chart since that would give Randy well over 6.0 million in audience gained over a six day period and even if he loses a small amount of audience on Monday's update it might still be enough to edge Carrie. Randy has the Mediabase #1 but it's certainly not a slam dunk there will be a split.
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Post by matty005 on Mar 5, 2016 15:18:07 GMT -5
On one hand, we can consider Sony's 'generosity' on the charts a bad thing, as it appears that they continuously sacrifice Carrie's potential #1s; c onversely, I guess it just goes to show that they know her career has the longevity to withstand such and she can still sell records regardless. Obviously she's meeting or exceeding the record company's standards, otherwise they wouldn't take such a lax approach. Can't wait for the VH1, "Behind The Music," when the camera pulls in close to see a teary eyed Carrie, talking about the struggle of only getting Mediabase #1's' and how it almost caused her to go bankrupt and threatened her marriage.
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Post by jenglisbe on Mar 5, 2016 15:24:36 GMT -5
On one hand, we can consider Sony's 'generosity' on the charts a bad thing, as it appears that they continuously sacrifice Carrie's potential #1s; c onversely, I guess it just goes to show that they know her career has the longevity to withstand such and she can still sell records regardless. Obviously she's meeting or exceeding the record company's standards, otherwise they wouldn't take such a lax approach. Can't wait for the VH1, "Behind The Music," when the camera pulls in close to see a teary eyed Carrie, talking about the struggle of only getting Mediabase #1's' and how it almost caused her to go bankrupt and threatened her marriage. I get that it comes across as crying over spilled milk, but for me it just speaks to a lot of the larger issues in country music. Notice it's a female artist that is now consistently coming up short in these situations with male artists (many with lower sales and streams) get the benefit. We know that in general country radio is biased toward men. We also know that there are a lot of label politics when it comes to chart peaks, and those politics often short change female artists. It may seem lame to complain about an artist of Carrie's stature 'only' getting #2s, but for me it's more about the frustration of country radio being so manipulated, as well as country music being overtly sexist. To me those are huge issues, and Carrie's chart runs are just a prime example of those two issues.
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Post by matty005 on Mar 5, 2016 15:30:27 GMT -5
Can't wait for the VH1, "Behind The Music," when the camera pulls in close to see a teary eyed Carrie, talking about the struggle of only getting Mediabase #1's' and how it almost caused her to go bankrupt and threatened her marriage. I get that it comes across as crying over spilled milk, but for me it just speaks to a lot of the larger issues in country music. Notice it's a female artist that is now consistently coming up short in these situations with male artists (many with lower sales and streams) get the benefit. We know that in general country radio is biased toward men. We also know that there are a lot of label politics when it comes to chart peaks, and those politics often short change female artists. It may seem lame to complain about an artist of Carrie's stature 'only' getting #2s, but for me it's more about the frustration of country radio being so manipulated, as well as country music being overtly sexist. To me those are huge issues, and Carrie's chart runs are just a prime example of those two issues. Except in the last 10 years, radio has been the most kind to Carrie Underwood. She has never had a song miss the top 5. In 10 years, can you name one artist who has this longevity and success? And it looks like she isn't even close to slowing down. Not even Luke Bryan and Blake Shelton have shared her success as long as she has.
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Post by Massikur2 on Mar 5, 2016 15:40:35 GMT -5
conversely, I guess it just goes to show that they know her career has the longevity to withstand such and she can still sell records regardless. I don't mean to be mean so please don't think I am, but seriously? With all due respect, I literally can't even begin to comprehend a statement like that. Carrie's singles peaking at #1 on Mediabase and #2 on Billboard is not a plague that makes it harder for her to withstand her longevity and sell records. The difference of her not getting Billboard #1's is literally 1.0 million or less in total audience and that is not enough to believe she's at a competitive disadvantage. I understand the frustration with Sony letting other labels pass "Heartbeat" and them being content with a one week stay at #1 but she's doing absolutely fine and her singles peaking at #2 has no bearing on her album sales. I have the total Billboard audience between "Heartbeat" and "We Went" extremely close as of today as Randy's song gained over 1.2 million in audience while Carrie gained 315k. "We Went" has gained 5.3 million in audience since Monday while "Heartbeat" has gained roughly 2.0 million in audience over the same time frame. I think Carrie is ahead on Billboard by the slimiest of margins today. If Stoney Creek pushes through Sunday they have a good shot at getting both charts this week and tomorrow's update might be very important. If Randy out gains Carrie by another 1.0 million in audience on Mediabase on Sunday, I'll be very nervous for the Billboard chart since that would give Randy well over 6.0 million in audience gained over a six day period and even if he loses a small amount of audience on Monday's update it might still be enough to edge Carrie. Randy has the Mediabase #1 but it's certainly not a slam dunk there will be a split. I'm actually dying of laughter here. That was meant as a positive thing and didn't in any way warrant a two-paragraph response. My assertion was perfectly, 100% reasonable and I'm sorry you don't agree. There's nothing wrong with Carrie's chart performance (as someone who has diligently followed her career since American Idol, I am perfectly aware of that), but there have been times when they've ceded her #1 status so others can achieve such BECAUSE they are aware that her singles perform well and albums sales are consistent. As far as I'm concerned, these facts are inextricably linked; a record company wouldn't make such decisions on behalf of a lesser artist. Again, you can disagree. I say this all with respect for you.
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Post by Massikur2 on Mar 5, 2016 15:41:25 GMT -5
Wow, talk about an overreaction, guys.
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Post by matty005 on Mar 5, 2016 15:50:02 GMT -5
I don't mean to be mean so please don't think I am, but seriously? With all due respect, I literally can't even begin to comprehend a statement like that. Carrie's singles peaking at #1 on Mediabase and #2 on Billboard is not a plague that makes it harder for her to withstand her longevity and sell records. The difference of her not getting Billboard #1's is literally 1.0 million or less in total audience and that is not enough to believe she's at a competitive disadvantage. I understand the frustration with Sony letting other labels pass "Heartbeat" and them being content with a one week stay at #1 but she's doing absolutely fine and her singles peaking at #2 has no bearing on her album sales. I have the total Billboard audience between "Heartbeat" and "We Went" extremely close as of today as Randy's song gained over 1.2 million in audience while Carrie gained 315k. "We Went" has gained 5.3 million in audience since Monday while "Heartbeat" has gained roughly 2.0 million in audience over the same time frame. I think Carrie is ahead on Billboard by the slimiest of margins today. If Stoney Creek pushes through Sunday they have a good shot at getting both charts this week and tomorrow's update might be very important. If Randy out gains Carrie by another 1.0 million in audience on Mediabase on Sunday, I'll be very nervous for the Billboard chart since that would give Randy well over 6.0 million in audience gained over a six day period and even if he loses a small amount of audience on Monday's update it might still be enough to edge Carrie. Randy has the Mediabase #1 but it's certainly not a slam dunk there will be a split. I'm actually dying of laughter here. That was meant as a positive thing and didn't in any way warrant a two-paragraph response. My assertion was perfectly, 100% reasonable and I'm sorry you don't agree. There's nothing wrong with Carrie's chart performance (as someone who has diligently followed her career since American Idol, I am perfectly aware of that), but there have been times when they've ceded her #1 status so others can achieve such BECAUSE they are aware that her singles perform well and albums sales are consistent. As far as I'm concerned, these facts are inextricably linked; a record company wouldn't make such decisions on behalf of a lesser artist. Again, you can disagree. I say this all with respect for you. You clearly said that her songs only reaching #2 means her career "withstand such." So, if it doesn't matter if they go to #1 or #2, what is it in fact that she is "withstanding?"
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Post by sabre14 on Mar 5, 2016 15:50:04 GMT -5
I don't mean to be mean so please don't think I am, but seriously? With all due respect, I literally can't even begin to comprehend a statement like that. Carrie's singles peaking at #1 on Mediabase and #2 on Billboard is not a plague that makes it harder for her to withstand her longevity and sell records. The difference of her not getting Billboard #1's is literally 1.0 million or less in total audience and that is not enough to believe she's at a competitive disadvantage. I understand the frustration with Sony letting other labels pass "Heartbeat" and them being content with a one week stay at #1 but she's doing absolutely fine and her singles peaking at #2 has no bearing on her album sales. I have the total Billboard audience between "Heartbeat" and "We Went" extremely close as of today as Randy's song gained over 1.2 million in audience while Carrie gained 315k. "We Went" has gained 5.3 million in audience since Monday while "Heartbeat" has gained roughly 2.0 million in audience over the same time frame. I think Carrie is ahead on Billboard by the slimiest of margins today. If Stoney Creek pushes through Sunday they have a good shot at getting both charts this week and tomorrow's update might be very important. If Randy out gains Carrie by another 1.0 million in audience on Mediabase on Sunday, I'll be very nervous for the Billboard chart since that would give Randy well over 6.0 million in audience gained over a six day period and even if he loses a small amount of audience on Monday's update it might still be enough to edge Carrie. Randy has the Mediabase #1 but it's certainly not a slam dunk there will be a split. I'm actually dying of laughter here. That was meant as a positive thing and didn't in any way warrant a two-paragraph response. My assertion was perfectly, 100% reasonable and I'm sorry you don't agree. There's nothing wrong with Carrie's chart performance (as someone who has diligently followed her career since American Idol, I am perfectly aware of that), but there have been times when they've ceded her #1 status so others can achieve such BECAUSE they are aware that her singles perform well and albums sales are consistent. As far as I'm concerned, these facts are inextricably linked; a record company wouldn't make such decisions on behalf of a lesser artist. Again, you can disagree. I say this all with respect for you. You said "withstand such." I take that as withstanding a burden that other artists don't have and that's overcoming Mediabase only #1 singles, which to me is not anything to point out as having any correlation to album sales and Sony takes the MB chart as completely credible and viable, which obviously gets under posters skin. Obviously we disagree but this is a "discussion board" so I do think I was perfectly warranted to give my two paragraph response, especially since the second paragraph as absolutely zero to do with the first paragraph but perhaps you didn't bother to read it. Wow, talk about an overreaction, guys. There's an edit button, btw. It didn't warrant a double post.
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Massikur2
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Post by Massikur2 on Mar 5, 2016 16:01:22 GMT -5
I really didn't mean it in an adverse way, and I'm sorry you read it that way. It sounds like you're caught on a couple words and not taking the intention into consideration. I can't control how you read something, but it's worth clarifying that I had good intentions when I wrote it.
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Post by matty005 on Mar 5, 2016 16:17:05 GMT -5
I really didn't mean it in an adverse way, and I'm sorry you read it that way. It sounds like you're caught on a couple words and not taking the intention into consideration. I can't control how you read something, but it's worth clarifying that I had good intentions when I wrote it. And we can't control how you write things. So if you wrote "withstood such," and then say there isn't anything she withstood, how exactly are we supposed to read things?
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