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Post by sabre14 on Dec 8, 2015 22:56:15 GMT -5
But I sincerely hope we don't have to wait longer for new music every time now... I mean, we already had to wait 3+ years the last time; how can it get any longer than that??!! We've been waiting for Faith to release an album of new material for TEN YEARS! It can get much worse. ^ Yes it can. We've been waiting for an album of new material from Shania for 13 years.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Dec 8, 2015 23:02:09 GMT -5
I can guarantee Carrie won't go any more than five years or so between albums. She's a workaholic. I'd be willing to bet on this. She's the Reba of our generation; she just won't stop. She'll take "breaks", but she'll never pull a Shania or Faith.
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Post by bboat11 on Dec 8, 2015 23:09:32 GMT -5
Lol yes, those are both excellent points. However, Up! and Fireflies were both wildly successful albums both in sales and chart success, but where are Faith and Shania now after the long waits? Literally nothing has happened to damage their careers other than time, yet if they were to release new music nowadays it would probably sell decently but have nowhere near the success of their glory days. I know Carrie is not going to take 10+ years to release new music, but my point is that waiting 3 or even 4 years between albums is not how you maintain A-list status in this industry. No A-lister does that. Waiting 10+ years is career suicide, but even half that time is still a very long time to wait and still hope to maintain relevance when you are at the peak of your career. It would probably work for her for another couple of albums because of her current star level, but I do not think radio will have patience for much longer than that. Especially because if she takes 3 or 4 years to make albums, she will hit 40 in like 2 album eras
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Post by 14887fan on Dec 8, 2015 23:43:21 GMT -5
I'm realizing there are some interpretive issues on this message board. The "'benefit' of being born male" statement was indicative of something else--essentially, I was saying that if she were male, gender would not play into the equation as strongly. Nothing about "transitioning" or anything silly like that. Lol no, I was just be exaggerative. I knew what you meant. For what it's worth, I enjoy reading your posts. They're well thought-out and intelligent, which are two qualities that some other Carrie fans could endorse. Although part of me has the sinking feeling that they'll try to release "What I Never Knew I Always Wanted" at some point because it was one of the pre-release tracks. While I enjoy it and really appreciate the production and vocals, I don't think it's well-suited for radio. Moreover, the lyrics are rather bland--more so than "Heartbeat," even (I can get past generic imagery, but the 'hole/soul' rhyme makes me cringe). The strength of the track is Carrie's obvious emotional attachment, which guides an otherwise unremarkable song towards being a bit more memorable. Oooh, girl. Disagreed. I think 'What I Never Knew' is blissful. I think the simpler lyrics work really well. Totally get your qualms with the 'hole/soul' lyrics of the chorus; I had the same issue for the longest time with "Something in the Water" and the first two lines of the bridge, "Now I'm singing along to 'Amazing Grace'/Can't nobody wipe this smile off my face." (...actually, I still hate those lines. But whatever.) I just think that, in WINKIAW's case, the words work well because they're smooth, easy, and reflective, just like the song's melody. It's a very easy song to listen to for me, but I don't think it'll ever be one you have to worry about hearing on radio, as I'm pretty sure Carrie confirmed in an interview prior to the album's release that it was that song that she puts on all of her albums that acts as a personal ode to her life, and won't become a single. It's this album's "Forever Changed".
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Post by Massikur2 on Dec 8, 2015 23:52:46 GMT -5
We've been waiting for Faith to release an album of new material for TEN YEARS! It can get much worse. ^ Yes it can. We've been waiting for an album of new material from Shania for 13 years. This just pains me. Both were incredibly successful critically and commercially, and it seems they arbitrarily discontinued their careers. Of course there must be factors we're not privy to, but as listeners it appears that way. Faith is especially confusing because she has released assorted singles on-and-off throughout the years ("Lost" and "Red Umbrella" following the 2007 release of The Hits; "Come Home" and "American Heart" from a purported forthcoming album [2011 and 2012, respectively]), so she drifts in and out of the public eye with little momentum attached. Shania has at least stayed consistent in abstaining from releasing new material, aside from a string of 2004-05 singles associated with her own Greatest Hits collection. I'd love to see Faith make a genuine effort to return to the scene, even if she doesn't make the impact at radio she one did. Now, back to the topic at hand...
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Post by Massikur2 on Dec 8, 2015 23:58:20 GMT -5
I'm realizing there are some interpretive issues on this message board. The "'benefit' of being born male" statement was indicative of something else--essentially, I was saying that if she were male, gender would not play into the equation as strongly. Nothing about "transitioning" or anything silly like that. Lol no, I was just be exaggerative. I knew what you meant. For what it's worth, I enjoy reading your posts. They're well thought-out and intelligent, which are two qualities that some other Carrie fans could endorse. Although part of me has the sinking feeling that they'll try to release "What I Never Knew I Always Wanted" at some point because it was one of the pre-release tracks. While I enjoy it and really appreciate the production and vocals, I don't think it's well-suited for radio. Moreover, the lyrics are rather bland--more so than "Heartbeat," even (I can get past generic imagery, but the 'hole/soul' rhyme makes me cringe). The strength of the track is Carrie's obvious emotional attachment, which guides an otherwise unremarkable song towards being a bit more memorable. Oooh, girl. Disagreed. I think 'What I Never Knew' is blissful. I think the simpler lyrics work really well. Totally get your qualms with the 'hole/soul' lyrics of the chorus; I had the same issue for the longest time with "Something in the Water" and the first two lines of the bridge, "Now I'm singing along to 'Amazing Grace'/Can't nobody wipe this smile off my face." (...actually, I still hate those lines. But whatever.) I just think that, in WINKIAW's case, the words work well because they're smooth, easy, and reflective, just like the song's melody. It's a very easy song to listen to for me, but I don't think it'll ever be one you have to worry about hearing on radio, as I'm pretty sure Carrie confirmed in an interview prior to the album's release that it was that song that she puts on all of her albums that acts as a personal ode to her life, and won't become a single. It's this album's "Forever Changed". Hahaha, I'm glad we understand each other! I enjoy reading your posts as well! :) And I understand your sentiments regarding "What I Never Knew I Always Wanted." I do think it's a beautiful song and I greatly enjoy listening to it and understand that a lot of the lyrical simplification stems from genuine emotion. I just don't want to see it released in the same way I wouldn't like "The Girl You Think I Am" impacting radio; really like both, but just not as singles. And I love "Forever Changed" and Carrie's story behind that--again, the emotion is quite perceptible.
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Post by ant on Dec 9, 2015 10:31:22 GMT -5
Lol yes, those are both excellent points. However, Up! and Fireflies were both wildly successful albums both in sales and chart success, but where are Faith and Shania now after the long waits? Literally nothing has happened to damage their careers other than time, yet if they were to release new music nowadays it would probably sell decently but have nowhere near the success of their glory days. I know Carrie is not going to take 10+ years to release new music, but my point is that waiting 3 or even 4 years between albums is not how you maintain A-list status in this industry. No A-lister does that. Waiting 10+ years is career suicide, but even half that time is still a very long time to wait and still hope to maintain relevance when you are at the peak of your career. It would probably work for her for another couple of albums because of her current star level, but I do not think radio will have patience for much longer than that. Especially because if she takes 3 or 4 years to make albums, she will hit 40 in like 2 album eras I have to disagree. I think if Carrie took a 5-year break from radio, her comeback would go over really well. It would be highly anticipated and the lead single would be a definite #1 in my opinion. I consider Carrie the Adele of country music (maybe on a lesser scale though lol). Anything she releases is a guaranteed hit. And much like Adele's comeback was underestimated, look at how she proved everyone wrong with the massive success of 25 so far. And as much as I wouldn't want Carrie to be out of the music scene for 5 years, or even 3, I don't think it would necessarily be "career suicide" for her.
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Post by onebuffalo on Dec 9, 2015 10:35:57 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind seeing Carrie Underwood take a brief hiatus for any reason (personal, professional, etc.). That being said, she could be replaced by Cam, who Arista has as well or even Kelsea Ballerini who has made hits out of her first two singles. When you stop to think of it, Underwood really hasn't taken a big break from the action considering over the past five years she's gotten married and had a baby.
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 9, 2015 10:39:05 GMT -5
LMAO at you all getting into debates about being born male, who has the favor of radio, gender bias, how long until Carrie releases another album, etc. How is that different from debating "literally," and what does any of that have to do with the "Heartbeat" discussion? Back on topic, folks!
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Post by carrieidol1 on Dec 9, 2015 11:01:35 GMT -5
LMAO at you all getting into debates about being born male, who has the favor of radio, gender bias, how long until Carrie releases another album, etc. How is that different from debating "literally," and what does any of that have to do with the "Heartbeat" discussion? Back on topic, folks! All those things are a little more on topic than your unwarranted and condescending vocabulary lessons. You're literally the worst. You taught me well.
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Post by Massikur2 on Dec 9, 2015 11:18:08 GMT -5
LMAO at you all getting into debates about being born male, who has the favor of radio, gender bias, how long until Carrie releases another album, etc. How is that different from debating "literally," and what does any of that have to do with the "Heartbeat" discussion? Back on topic, folks! Those aren't "debates," it's a conversation. We're sharing our ideas with other posters, comparing and contrasting when necessary. If comments are misinterpreted, the intention is explained and everyone continues on with the conversation. You're the only contributor consistently derailing the thread with your off-topic responses and insistence in perpetuating dead discussions. If keeping the discussion to the artist and single at hand is too difficult for you, I'd suggest you try a different thread or forum that is less-structured and better-suits your needs. As an aside, I'm really convinced that you don't see the invalidity of the majority of your comments. Our current dialogue has no relation to your previous argument of the term 'literally.' We've remained on-topic, you have not. Please refrain from derailing the thread further.
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 9, 2015 11:20:21 GMT -5
We've remained on-topic, you have not. Please refrain from derailing the thread further. I've seen barely a mention of "Heartbeat" and its quality, potential chart run, etc. over the past page or two. That is the topic of this thread. The conversations you all are having in this thread as of late are more suited to the general Carrie thread.
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Post by onebuffalo on Dec 9, 2015 11:24:03 GMT -5
Hopefully, this will get the conversation back to Heartbeat. This is from my column from yesterday:
2. A FAST BEAT: Carrie Underwood has the fastest climbing song of the week as Heartbeat pulses up nine to #32.
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Post by Massikur2 on Dec 9, 2015 11:24:38 GMT -5
We've remained on-topic, you have not. Please refrain from derailing the thread further. I've seen barely a mention of "Heartbeat" and its quality, potential chart run, etc. over the past page or two. That is the topic of this thread. The conversations you all are having in this thread as of late are more suited to the general Carrie thread. The single has just begun taking hold on the charts...we have very little to say at this point aside from, "I think this one is gonna go top three, guys!" Moreover, we have discussed those topics at length earlier in the thread. You need to stop policing the content when you yourself have the most problems contributing thoughtfully to the conversation.
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Post by Massikur2 on Dec 9, 2015 11:25:45 GMT -5
Hopefully, this will get the conversation back to Heartbeat. This is from my column from yesterday: 2. A FAST BEAT: Carrie Underwood has the fastest climbing song of the week as Heartbeat pulses up nine to #32. Great! The pacing for this song is going very well.
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Post by musicfan134 on Dec 9, 2015 12:06:40 GMT -5
Lol yes, those are both excellent points. However, Up! and Fireflies were both wildly successful albums both in sales and chart success, but where are Faith and Shania now after the long waits? Literally nothing has happened to damage their careers other than time, yet if they were to release new music nowadays it would probably sell decently but have nowhere near the success of their glory days. I know Carrie is not going to take 10+ years to release new music, but my point is that waiting 3 or even 4 years between albums is not how you maintain A-list status in this industry. No A-lister does that. Waiting 10+ years is career suicide, but even half that time is still a very long time to wait and still hope to maintain relevance when you are at the peak of your career. It would probably work for her for another couple of albums because of her current star level, but I do not think radio will have patience for much longer than that. Especially because if she takes 3 or 4 years to make albums, she will hit 40 in like 2 album eras I have to disagree. I think if Carrie took a 5-year break from radio, her comeback would go over really well. It would be highly anticipated and the lead single would be a definite #1 in my opinion. I consider Carrie the Adele of country music (maybe on a lesser scale though lol). Anything she releases is a guaranteed hit. And much like Adele's comeback was underestimated, look at how she proved everyone wrong with the massive success of 25 so far. And as much as I wouldn't want Carrie to be out of the music scene for 5 years, or even 3, I don't think it would necessarily be "career suicide" for her. Eh, I wouldn't say Carrie is the Adele of country music at all. I would compare her more to someone like Beyonce or P!nk than I would to Adele. Vocally, yes, she is like Adele but that's about it. The thing about Carrie is her sales are consistently great, but the only album she's released that has been out of this world successful was Some Hearts. All of her albums have had solid sales and eras, but Some Hearts is really the only huge era she's had to date. I think a 3-4 year break is really all she can take; a 5 year break she could probably come back from, but I'm not even entirely convinced she'd be able to do that. If she tried pulling a Shania or Faith, her career would be dead. Hell, I would even go so far as to say if Adele had waited longer than the end of this year, she would have to start worrying about killing her career herself. In all honestly, as a Carrie fan I would prefer her to have consistent sales and success per era rather than have a couple of AMAZING eras and have her career go downhill from there.
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Post by desertfloods on Dec 10, 2015 7:46:31 GMT -5
We've remained on-topic, you have not. Please refrain from derailing the thread further. I've seen barely a mention of "Heartbeat" and its quality, potential chart run, etc. over the past page or two. That is the topic of this thread. The conversations you all are having in this thread as of late are more suited to the general Carrie thread. You just said it yourself, even if they were not directly related to 'Heartbeat', they were relevant discussion about the artist of the song, Carrie. If we have really gone way off-topic, one of the mods will give us a nudge, not sure why you feel the need to monitor the posts here. Is it really so hard for you to let go? That whole debate/discussion was seriously, literally, 4 pages ago, and everyone else has moved on!
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Post by .indulgecountry on Dec 10, 2015 11:15:10 GMT -5
We've remained on-topic, you have not. Please refrain from derailing the thread further. I've seen barely a mention of "Heartbeat" and its quality, potential chart run, etc. over the past page or two. That is the topic of this thread. The conversations you all are having in this thread as of late are more suited to the general Carrie thread. I see you ignored dudley's call for you to drop it the way you continue to ignore common sense in regards to your posting in this thread. Please troll elsewhere and stop ironically trying to act as a staff member after literally being told to stop by an actual staff member.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2015 18:43:43 GMT -5
"Country Universe" review gives "Heartbeat" a B. Heartbeat” has been stuck in my head for days, which isn’t surprising, really. It has a solid hook that Underwood delivers with charm and sincerity, two qualities that I always find abundant in her work. It’s a beautiful song, too. Romantic, heartfelt, and chock full of the specific details that make a song with a well-tread theme sound fresh and interesting. www.countryuniverse.net/2015/12/11/single-review-carrie-underwood-heartbeat/
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Post by Massikur2 on Dec 11, 2015 19:27:16 GMT -5
"Country Universe" review gives "Heartbeat" a B. Heartbeat” has been stuck in my head for days, which isn’t surprising, really. It has a solid hook that Underwood delivers with charm and sincerity, two qualities that I always find abundant in her work. It’s a beautiful song, too. Romantic, heartfelt, and chock full of the specific details that make a song with a well-tread theme sound fresh and interesting. www.countryuniverse.net/2015/12/11/single-review-carrie-underwood-heartbeat/I'm rather surprised that they reviewed the single at all. Country Universe has historically given Carrie very positive reviews and ran various articles on her, but have yet to write a review on "Smoke Break" or Storyteller. The absence was quite noticeable, not only because Carrie is one of the most visible female artists in the genre, but because they've so staunchly supported her in the past. I was actually going to ask--does anyone know why they've refrained from commenting on any of her new material until now?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2015 19:39:10 GMT -5
"Country Universe" review gives "Heartbeat" a B. Heartbeat” has been stuck in my head for days, which isn’t surprising, really. It has a solid hook that Underwood delivers with charm and sincerity, two qualities that I always find abundant in her work. It’s a beautiful song, too. Romantic, heartfelt, and chock full of the specific details that make a song with a well-tread theme sound fresh and interesting. www.countryuniverse.net/2015/12/11/single-review-carrie-underwood-heartbeat/I'm rather surprised that they reviewed the single at all. Country Universe has historically given Carrie very positive reviews and ran various articles on her, but have yet to write a review on "Smoke Break" or Storyteller. The absence was quite noticeable, not only because Carrie is one of the most visible female artists in the genre, but because they've so staunchly supported her in the past. I was actually going to ask--does anyone know why they've refrained from commenting on any of her new material until now? They actually also reviewed Smoke Break from what I recall cause I follow the site. I can't provide the link however.
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Post by Massikur2 on Dec 11, 2015 20:09:08 GMT -5
I'm rather surprised that they reviewed the single at all. Country Universe has historically given Carrie very positive reviews and ran various articles on her, but have yet to write a review on "Smoke Break" or Storyteller. The absence was quite noticeable, not only because Carrie is one of the most visible female artists in the genre, but because they've so staunchly supported her in the past. I was actually going to ask--does anyone know why they've refrained from commenting on any of her new material until now? They actually also reviewed Smoke Break from what I recall cause I follow the site. I can't provide the link however. I just looked again and still couldn't find it. Perhaps they removed it? Not sure. If you do come across it ever again, PM it to me if you can. I'd love to read their take on it!
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Post by countrygirl918 on Dec 12, 2015 0:24:44 GMT -5
I think I remember reading a tweet from Country Universe saying they plan to review Storyteller but wanted to sit with the album for a while to let it soak in. Though, the album's been out for a month and a half now, so I'm not sure how much longer they're going to wait...
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Post by Massikur2 on Dec 12, 2015 0:55:20 GMT -5
I think I remember reading a tweet from Country Universe saying they plan to review Storyteller but wanted to sit with the album for a while to let it soak in. Though, the album's been out for a month and a half now, so I'm not sure how much longer they're going to wait... That's very odd to me. Major publications ( Rolling Stone, Billboard, etc.) may receive advanced copies of albums in order to write a nuanced review of the material, but they don't take months to do so or expect their reader-base to essentially wait it out. I understand that Country Universe is a grassroots blog that's gained prominence over the years without necessarily becoming an 'go-to' source or authority on the format, but it's rather unprofessional to forego reviewing a major release for nearly two months. As I stated earlier, this is even more interesting considering that they have been such strong supporters of Carrie in the past (especially Coyne).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2015 14:34:04 GMT -5
I think I remember reading a tweet from Country Universe saying they plan to review Storyteller but wanted to sit with the album for a while to let it soak in. Though, the album's been out for a month and a half now, so I'm not sure how much longer they're going to wait... That's very odd to me. Major publications ( Rolling Stone, Billboard, etc.) may receive advanced copies of albums in order to write a nuanced review of the material, but they don't take months to do so or expect their reader-base to essentially wait it out. I understand that Country Universe is a grassroots blog that's gained prominence over the years without necessarily becoming an 'go-to' source or authority on the format, but it's rather unprofessional to forego reviewing a major release for nearly two months. As I stated earlier, this is even more interesting considering that they have been such strong supporters of Carrie in the past (especially Coyne). In the comment section of the "Heartbeat" review, Leann Ward posted that she hasn't had a chance to write her "Storyteller" review yet, due to her day job/school duties taking priority. Country Universe can't be compared to a major publication like Rolling Stone or Billboard, because (from my understanding), the blog is something they do as a hobby, and not something that they can put above "real life" obligations.
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Post by Stephen on Dec 13, 2015 18:00:52 GMT -5
BTW, to those who are curious about the stripped version, here it is:
She sounds incredible, of course. I much prefer this version.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Dec 13, 2015 18:18:43 GMT -5
BTW, to those who are curious about the stripped version, here it is: She sounds incredible, of course. I much prefer this version. I think a live acoustic performance like this would do wonders for the song. It's far and away the better version of the song, and Carrie would absolutely kill this live with a few "unplugged" instruments behind her. She could even play the guitar! I hope if this is peaking by Grammy time, and if Carrie is scheduled to perform (and has the liberty to chose what to perform), that she does an acoustic version of "Heartbeat". ETA: I know she did the Target live session, but she sounded off a little bit; her voice seemed tired. I'm very confident she could deliver a much better performance on a live stage with an audience.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Dec 13, 2015 20:57:36 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of the stripped version of this song at all. I really don't think it works at all and it sounds like all the life was sucked out of the song. It honestly just bores me. The regular version, OTOH, is one of my favorites on the album.
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Post by anafan on Dec 13, 2015 22:14:49 GMT -5
I was listening to her album recently on Spotify and thought this was the standout track. It's such a beautiful song.
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