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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 14:17:59 GMT -5
@antigonerising: who would you genuinely be most willing or content to see voted off first, and why? Who are you least willing to vote off, and why?
Tough question. However, I would be the most content lynching one of Codex, bigfan, or Zebra, frankly. Someone who I feel is difficult to read if they're scum. I know Codex is a good scum player, and I assume bigfan wouldn't be a bad one himself. Then there is Zebra who time and time again fools town as scum.
Those who are the least dispensable: RVS vote aside for Libra, I would choose Cynthia and Libra. Both of you steer discussion pretty well, and are better at scoping out scum if town than the average town player.
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Post by Zeebz on Jan 18, 2016 14:19:27 GMT -5
My picture is of me dancing rather poorly. Anyways, since we're starting to move out of RVS (kind of soon, but I'm not the biggest fan of RVS anyways so w/e) I'll go ahead and answer Cynthia's questions. Who would I be most willing to vote off on Day 1? I want to say someone who is normally rather inactive, but that would be really hypocritical of me. I can't even pretend that I'm an aggressively active player, but ideally I would be the most willing to vote off someone who seems to be dodging conversation/generally not being as helpful. This is rather vague, yes, but it would all depend on what happens in this day phase. Who am I least willing to vote off? Kunt, Cynthia, or Libra. As Cynthia mentioned, they all help to steer discussion, even if they are scum. They help to offer insightful points and to be the aggressive players that challenge bullshit reasoning. They are invaluable to us this early in the game.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 14:20:02 GMT -5
RVS is like the first five minutes of a porn movie, bulls**t acting that no one came here to see and that the actors aren't even good at doing anyway. This day has been going on for more than five minutes now so it's time to get to the meat! Here are two question for everyone to answer: given that whoever we vote off on day 1 is a blind shot in the dark, who would you genuinely be most willing or content to see voted off first, and why? Who are you least willing to vote off, and why? My answer, as an example: I would be most content with seeing Max or Zebra go because in games that I have played with them, they tend to be the least aggressive players and do not steer conversation much; even if they are town they tend to be indistinguishable from scum players trying to lie low, and either way that does not help us. I am least willing to vote off Kunt or Libra because even if they are scum they tend to be proactive players who initiate discussion whenever possible, and always contribute to the conversation in a way that is extremely useful to town. I don't like that you're basically giving the finger to RVS with this post, especially since not everyone has posted, but then I don't much care for it either and as with Liucci it's a shot in the dark to actually make anything of that going forward. Just a mental note since it's one of the first things to stand out. Key difference is Liucci's statement was more passive while yours is agro and upfront, something I don't think scum would do. So, immediate town read on Cynthia, I guess? For who I'd vote out based on nothing: Zebra and Liucci. Zebra for similar reasons, Liucci because, when he's town, he's a glorified distraction for scum to hide behind anyway. Who I wouldn't: Libra and Cynthia. Libra because he promotes discussion, Cynthia because you offer great observations early on even if you start to WIFOM yourself the longer the game lasts. As a courtesy, I'm also inclined to say Mikey and Stacey b/c they're still new. I can't decide where to put Codex on the "to keep or not to keep" side of things. When he's town he's a huge troll, when he's scum he actually comes across as somewhat helpful albeit distant. So...?
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Post by Az Paynter on Jan 18, 2016 14:20:26 GMT -5
I want to know everyone's flavour roles. Least attractive gets my vote~
On a more serious note, I'm not quite sure who might be a good first lynch option. I don't want to just throw names out there for the sake of throwing names. I think only half of us have even said anything yet so I'd like for everyone else to show up first.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 14:21:02 GMT -5
My porn star isn't even cute I'm so mad I hate my flavor so much I got DRAGGED
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Post by Az Paynter on Jan 18, 2016 14:22:03 GMT -5
...yeah but who are you.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 14:26:04 GMT -5
"Conner Hastings", but the shade of it all is that my flavor basically says I'm a has-been.
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Post by Zeebz on Jan 18, 2016 14:27:39 GMT -5
I'm Diego Sans, and my flavor wasn't exactly great either. >:(
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Post by Az Paynter on Jan 18, 2016 14:29:30 GMT -5
I had to look up Conner. Yeah, you have my condolences. Diego can be decent.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 14:33:16 GMT -5
As answer Cynthia's questions.
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Post by bigfan101 on Jan 18, 2016 14:33:43 GMT -5
I opened mine and was a little taken back. haha I didn't know this was the theme.
Since we are leaving RVS, I am not sure who I would vote for. I honestly haven't played a game with each of you, so I think it is unfair to jump to a vote at this point. I will be trusting y'all to make the best decision.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 14:33:54 GMT -5
Wait nevermind you did, but that was the flakiest answer possible.
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Post by Az Paynter on Jan 18, 2016 14:49:54 GMT -5
Wait nevermind you did, but that was the flakiest answer possible. Well I could have picked a few names, but they've already been mentioned and I wouldn't have any other reasoning than what others have stated. Piggybacking = just as flaky, and would probably come back to bite me later if/when I'm put under the microscope. I could probably give a better answer in 24~ real life hours. Like I said, I'd like to see everyone's reactions first before I made a somewhat more informed decision.
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Post by popstop on Jan 18, 2016 14:55:44 GMT -5
@mod: if you're not actually 44 going on 45, why IS your original username jeff1971? #Mod_ I was named after my Uncle Jeff, who died that year. :( But carry on... Chelsea Press 2 Chi CHi seems to be taking an extra long lunch, so I'm sure we'll get started with the shoot at some point. Might as well do a vote count while I'm here: Day One: Vote Count 7Kunt: Codex Zebra: bigfan Libra: Az, Liucci Liucci: Kunt Max: Zebra Az: Libra Not voting: Cynthia, Stacey, Max, Zebra
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 15:01:07 GMT -5
I don't like that you're basically giving the finger to RVS with this post, especially since not everyone has posted, but then I don't much care for it either and as with Liucci it's a shot in the dark to actually make anything of that going forward. Just a mental note since it's one of the first things to stand out. Key difference is Liucci's statement was more passive while yours is agro and upfront, something I don't think scum would do. So, immediate town read on Cynthia, I guess? For who I'd vote out based on nothing: Zebra and Liucci. Zebra for similar reasons, Liucci because, when he's town, he's a glorified distraction for scum to hide behind anyway. Who I wouldn't: Libra and Cynthia. Libra because he promotes discussion, Cynthia because you offer great observations early on even if you start to WIFOM yourself the longer the game lasts. As a courtesy, I'm also inclined to say Mikey and Stacey b/c they're still new. I can't decide where to put Codex on the "to keep or not to keep" side of things. When he's town he's a huge troll, when he's scum he actually comes across as somewhat helpful albeit distant. So...? New strategy I'm trying out. I don't think this entirely moves us out of RVS, it's just an attempt to make RVS a bit more purposeful. Note that I didn't lay a vote down even after throwing out two names (and at the moment, don't really care to). I'm not trying to rush the vote, I just don't have a great deal of patience right now for absolutely nothing happening because we all know what will happen - we will dick around for two and a half days and then spend the last 12 hours all 'ohhh, I don't know who to vote for, we have nothing to go on.' My WIFOM is probably forever though. It's like B4L and girl scout cookies, I will never break free. :'( If one would vote out Liucci for being a distraction, I think Codex would qualify for that too. When has Codex as town NOT been eventually voted out for acting scummy? Liucci puts in effort though and Codex tends to be an aggressive player, when not in one of his dgaf phases, so I give them a bit of a boost for that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 15:08:24 GMT -5
I opened mine and was a little taken back. haha I didn't know this was the theme. Since we are leaving RVS, I am not sure who I would vote for. I honestly haven't played a game with each of you, so I think it is unfair to jump to a vote at this point. I will be trusting y'all to make the best decision. Vote: bigfan because of this. Trusting everybody else is not smart gameplay if you are town.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 15:12:54 GMT -5
Wait nevermind you did, but that was the flakiest answer possible. Well I could have picked a few names, but they've already been mentioned and I wouldn't have any other reasoning than what others have stated. Piggybacking = just as flaky, and would probably come back to bite me later if/when I'm put under the microscope. I could probably give a better answer in 24~ real life hours. Like I said, I'd like to see everyone's reactions first before I made a somewhat more informed decision. I'd rather you piggyback and put some names down than avoid giving any at all. That way, at least we have something to go by. Avoidance is worse imo.
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Post by bigfan101 on Jan 18, 2016 15:13:52 GMT -5
I opened mine and was a little taken back. haha I didn't know this was the theme. Since we are leaving RVS, I am not sure who I would vote for. I honestly haven't played a game with each of you, so I think it is unfair to jump to a vote at this point. I will be trusting y'all to make the best decision. Vote: bigfan because of this. Trusting everybody else is not smart gameplay if you are town. I see that how that makes sense. Good call. This is only my third game so I am still learning. No excuses, but fair enough!
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Post by Zeebz on Jan 18, 2016 15:14:32 GMT -5
^Is that necessarily a reason to vote for him, though? It's a terrible thing to do but Bigfan is new and doesn't really understand things yet so I think a simple explanation would do, and a vote isn't really necessary. He could very well be scum but at the moment that just seems like a new player mistake. I don't think that in and of itself makes him scum. It kind of makes you look more scummy by trying to target a new player?
This is not to say that we shouldn't keep looking out for things, but to immediately pounce on someone new isn't really a good move.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 15:21:54 GMT -5
but to immediately pounce on someone new isn't really a good move. Votes get reactions, though, and if anyone's prone to slipping up, it's a new player so why not?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 15:24:48 GMT -5
I almost want to say Liucci is town because he's not this aggressive as scum.
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Post by Zeebz on Jan 18, 2016 15:34:23 GMT -5
but to immediately pounce on someone new isn't really a good move. Votes get reactions, though, and if anyone's prone to slipping up, it's a new player so why not? Fair enough, but it just seems a little too aggressive. As long as we correct the error though!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 15:49:14 GMT -5
Question: how long can someone still have the newbie card/label? I mean, this is bigfan's third game, so he's technically not new.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jan 18, 2016 15:53:29 GMT -5
Vote: Max because he's too thirsty Yasss!!! Give that thirst bitch!!! vote: MaxOk, it seems like RVS is wearing off... so nevermind then... unvote: MaxHi everyone. Here are two question for everyone to answer: given that whoever we vote off on day 1 is a blind shot in the dark, who would you genuinely be most willing or content to see voted off first, and why? Who are you least willing to vote off, and why? My answer, as an example: I would be most content with seeing Max or Zebra go because in games that I have played with them, they tend to be the least aggressive players and do not steer conversation much; even if they are town they tend to be indistinguishable from scum players trying to lie low, and either way that does not help us. Wow, rude. If others shared this logic, Zebra and I might as well just stop playing. Agreed with you about RVS being the boring setup to what could be a good porn and while I'm glad it seems to be ending sooner than usual, it still serves somewhat as a purpose to set the scene and warm up the players. This is the first Mafia game since maybe the summer, if not earlier, so some of us could use a warmup. I just came out of a Survivor high though so I might be good to go. No fluffer required.
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Post by Zeebz on Jan 18, 2016 15:54:58 GMT -5
Has Bigfan already played three games? It doesn't seem like that many.
Also, I forgot to take my RVS vote off so unvote: Max.
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Post by bigfan101 on Jan 18, 2016 15:55:42 GMT -5
Question: how long can someone still have the newbie card/label? I mean, this is bigfan's third game, so he's technically not new. Haha also fair. I am not trying to make excuses. I do think you learn more each time you play mafia. I was SO frustrated with the first game that I played. And played the last one completely wrong too, by not communicating with the group and getting ticked off. So basically I was just trying to say I would work with the group to figure out the best solution on the first elimination which is obviously the most difficult.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 16:00:25 GMT -5
This isn't Mikey's first game, it's his second I think. Also lol at everyone giving the same three people. That question is basically saying "hey scum, lynch these guys!!!" Part of me thinks there's potential for a setup in that regard, though: basically the same person keeps getting suggested so nobody wants to vote for them when they're actually scum. That's.... a reach since I have no reason to believe Libra, Cynthia, or myself is scum, but it's another mental note.
Also can we stop acting like I'm good at being scum? The last 3 games I was scum I all bust said "hey I'm scum" and got nailed for it. Lord knows I'm phenomenal at fucking it up for my faction. To be honest I'm pretty terrible as anyone who isn't vanilla.
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Post by bigfan101 on Jan 18, 2016 16:00:56 GMT -5
bigfan I'd probably vote out because he seems like the type of person who would randomly hammer a townie and "oh sorry what does L-1 mean?" and then get lynched the following day and we'd lose. Haha I do now know what L-1 is: One vote from lynch for any new players out there. I'll be kind and tell you what the codes are cause they take a bit to learn. I feel like last time when we got over the craziness that I started by not participating in RVS, btw who knew that would be an issue, I did my best to research each person and try to figure out a solution. But each person is entitled to their own opinion, and if you just watched survivor I can see how you might have that perception ha. I would argue this is a different game though.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jan 18, 2016 16:03:54 GMT -5
As for who I would immediately vote off: I'd aim for keeping the decidedly newer players because you can potentially learn from them. Are they learning too fast? Are they playing it slow when it seems like they should be picking up by now? Plus, the experience is good for them for future games - though that in itself isn't exactly a good reason to keep them for the present game. I also always suspect Kunt just because. But even when he's scum, he does drive conversation and bring people to the surface who otherwise float on by. So unless there's something solid that comes up, which never happens, Kunt should never be a Day 1 lynch. Ditto Cynthia too. I've noticed that Libra WASN'T the one to push us out of RVS this time. And as annoying as it might be when I've FOS'ed him in past games for rushing us, I can't help but feel like there's something up about him not being the first to move beyond RVS this time. Az also seems antsy as well with his urge for everyone to role claim. Though that tends to be harmless so his urgency might just be conversational? That's all I've got for now.
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Post by bigfan101 on Jan 18, 2016 16:06:09 GMT -5
Has Bigfan already played three games? It doesn't seem like that many. Also, I forgot to take my RVS vote off so unvote: Max. This is my third. The first time my job gave me the opportunity to ask one question at each night session. However, I didn't know the game well enough to ask intelligent questions until it was too late. Last time I was just vanilla town, I tried to stay out of RVS and not participate and for some reason that put a big target on my back that I fought to get rid of for the rest of the game. The problem with this is I wasn't forwarding conversation, I was doing a lot of covering my ass so I could stay. So this time, I am going to just try to further the conversation and help town as much as I can. It is not about me, its about the town as a whole. If I get lynched as part of the process, then I'm cool with it.
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