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Post by Az Paynter on Jan 18, 2016 16:07:35 GMT -5
I wanted people to flavour claim. Flavour claiming =/= role claiming. I do actually have this dumb theory revolving around flavour characters and how they fit with the story presented in the game, but like I said it's dumb because flavour is usually pretty much window-dressing.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jan 18, 2016 16:09:21 GMT -5
Also can we stop acting like I'm good at being scum? The last 3 games I was scum I all bust said "hey I'm scum" and got nailed for it. Lord knows I'm phenomenal at f**king it up for my faction. To be honest I'm pretty terrible as anyone who isn't vanilla. After seeing this, I should clarify my comment from just now about you when you're scum. When you're scum, you're still very helpful for town because you seem to have taken the stance that your job as scum to help your faction is to simply protect yourself, even if that means throwing members of your faction under the bus, which can serve as distancing. I can't speak for the rest of style as a scum player but that in itself tends to be good gameplay.
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Post by KanenrΓ‘:ke on Jan 18, 2016 16:38:09 GMT -5
First off hello everybody! I feel completely lost trying to read all these new terms used in the game lol Who are you least willing to vote off, and why?
I remember a game when Libra was scum and fooled the f**k out of everyone. Kunt is very manipulative and can control the game in a bad direction if he's scum. Cynthia fools everyone with long essays. But at the same time they contribute a lot, so that puts their average usefulness meter at 0. So really the only one I wouldn't want to vote off is Mikey because it's his first game. Do I get a free pass for the first vote too? lol
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 16:40:30 GMT -5
From Codex's post: Why would you chose him and assume that he'd probably make good scum when he's played like 2 games, over people who have actually proven themselves to be good scum? Newer players can be more difficult to detect if they're scum because of how cautious they become, unless you catch obvious hints they leave behind. Given that he has two games under his belt, I'm sure he'd be more deceptive than someone who is playing as scum in their first game ever - like say if Kanenra:ke was scum. That leads me to believe he'd be a bit more difficult to detect. That said for now, I'm going to Unvote: bigfan
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 17:16:31 GMT -5
Let's just hope the setup is balanced.
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Post by Libra on Jan 18, 2016 18:12:24 GMT -5
Did everyone get hot pictures to go with their respective stud muffins? I'm making out with my co-star of the moment. Making him feel at ease before our money shot. "Conner Hastings", but the shade of it all is that my flavor basically says I'm a has-been. Your next member title TBQH. :kii: Also can we stop acting like I'm good at being scum? The last 3 games I was scum I all bust said "hey I'm scum" and got nailed for it. Lord knows I'm phenomenal at f**king it up for my faction. To be honest I'm pretty terrible as anyone who isn't vanilla. Hee hee, I was recently reading through the Green Room for Az's game, which contains this gem from Cynthia (among the many gems in there): New strategy I'm trying out. I don't think this entirely moves us out of RVS, it's just an attempt to make RVS a bit more purposeful. It...kind of does? Or at the very least, we've made it so by stopping our own vote-scattering. Here are two question for everyone to answer: given that whoever we vote off on day 1 is a blind shot in the dark, who would you genuinely be most willing or content to see voted off first, and why? Who are you least willing to vote off, and why? My answer, as an example: I would be most content with seeing Max or Zebra go because in games that I have played with them, they tend to be the least aggressive players and do not steer conversation much; even if they are town they tend to be indistinguishable from scum players trying to lie low, and either way that does not help us. I am least willing to vote off Kunt or Libra because even if they are scum they tend to be proactive players who initiate discussion whenever possible, and always contribute to the conversation in a way that is extremely useful to town. My choice to vote out on Day 1 would be the player who seems to be contributing the least substantial effort, respective to their general Mafia standing. Like...I don't think it's a good look to get rid of KanenrΓ‘:ke Stacey as the D1 lynch, because this is his first game. Another example: If a player isn't as active, but when they are active, are contributing fresh viewpoints/evidence...they're still valuable to keep around. More valuable, for sure, than a player who IS active but isn't actually contributing much. I don't have specific people already in mind to see lynched first, because something about singling out specific people as expendable this quickly genuinely leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I want to see what people can have to offer before effectively deciding that they're ripe for voting out before the game's even 12 hours old. Sidebar: In case there's anyone reading this thread who hasn't played Mafia who may be interested in future games, PLEASE GET IN ON THE GREEN ROOM! :) Following along with a game will help you so much when you get into actually playing the first time.
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Post by Libra on Jan 18, 2016 18:14:05 GMT -5
My flavor is Vanilla Thespian, whatever that means. .........Um.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 18:14:42 GMT -5
Codex, why are you role-claiming already? vote: Codex because what benefit does that give town right now?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 18:20:48 GMT -5
...I'm like 99% sure Codex was joking.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 18:25:58 GMT -5
Haha I do now know what L-1 is: One vote from lynch for any new players out there. I'll be kind and tell you what the codes are cause they take a bit to learn. I feel like last time when we got over the craziness that I started by not participating in RVS, btw who knew that would be an issue, I did my best to research each person and try to figure out a solution. But each person is entitled to their own opinion, and if you just watched survivor I can see how you might have that perception ha. I would argue this is a different game though. Sorry, I didn't mean to offend you or anything. I just mean you seem like you're new enough for Kunt to tell you in the mafia quicktopic to hammer someone and get away with it for being "new". I felt that vibe about you on the first 2-3 pages based on what you wrote and how people wrote about you. Liucci attacking you and Kunt defending you "oh he's just new". what the fuck are you talking about lmao
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Post by Libra on Jan 18, 2016 18:26:45 GMT -5
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Post by Az Paynter on Jan 18, 2016 18:28:16 GMT -5
I happen to like Landon. >:( Does nothing to make my dumb theory less stupid though lol. See, I'd been thinking about whether there was any flavour role which didn't make 'sense' to be in the cast, like someone who'd retired or otherwise wasn't active. It was after the Gavin and Conner flavour claims; I thought Gavin had retired (but then he un-retired recently) and I hadn't even heard of/didn't remember Conner (appaz he's doing str8 porn now though). But on the other hand it's not like retired porn stars couldn't make a comeback - Landon Mycles, for example, the sample character - he came out of retirement last year so yeah. Dumb theory = dumb.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 18:31:41 GMT -5
I happen to like Landon. >:( Does nothing to make my dumb theory less stupid though lol. See, I'd been thinking about whether there was any flavour role which didn't make 'sense' to be in the cast, like someone who'd retired or otherwise wasn't active. It was after the Gavin and Conner flavour claims; I thought Gavin had retired (but then he un-retired recently) and I hadn't even heard of/didn't remember Conner (appaz he's doing str8 porn now though). But on the other hand it's not like retired porn stars couldn't make a comeback - Landon Mycles, for example, the sample character - he came out of retirement last year so yeah. Dumb theory = dumb. OP confirmed mafia got safe claims anyway, so yeah, I don't think the flavors will tell us anything about the game. They rarely if ever do. The only time I think they ever did was in a bastard game iirc.
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Post by Az Paynter on Jan 18, 2016 18:35:37 GMT -5
I know but I was thinking what if (going by flavour) Mafia were like 90's porn stars or models with criminal records who wouldn't be given the time of day by present-day casting directors, posing as younger/other models to sabotage the shoot or something IDK. Like I said, I knew how dumb it was from the get-go.
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Post by KanenrΓ‘:ke on Jan 18, 2016 18:37:59 GMT -5
Oh I've been reading that all day lol, I'm getting my bearings still and it's interesting to see all of you talk about how the game works. I'm not even sure how much I can contribute yet since you all seem so well versed.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jan 18, 2016 18:57:13 GMT -5
I've played more than half the Mafia games on Survivor and I still suck. Cynthia actually had a point about me being useless. lmao :(
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jan 18, 2016 18:57:35 GMT -5
omg, by Survivor, I meant Pulse.
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Post by Zeebz on Jan 18, 2016 18:59:47 GMT -5
Oh I've been reading that all day lol, I'm getting my bearings still and it's interesting to see all of you talk about how the game works. I'm not even sure how much I can contribute yet since you all seem so well versed. Just dive right in! It can be hella confusing at first, but the more you contribute the more you'll learn. People are more than willing to help you if you get confused. We understand that you're new and it can be difficult to find things to contribute, and thus we are here to help. PS: Glad you're playing! It's nice to have fresh blood in these games. :)
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Post by bigfan101 on Jan 18, 2016 19:03:45 GMT -5
And I found that link terribly confusing. Each one of the pulse mafias has their own flavor and not all rules apply and their might be additional rules added. Kanenrake, if you have any questions just ask! The initials threw me for a loop big time on the first game.
Also glad you are playing!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 20:56:30 GMT -5
Az Paynter , I have two questions for you: 1). What do you think is the scum to town ratio in this game? 2). Yes it's early, but I haven't seen you make any real commitments in a particular direction yet. Who do you find the most scummy as of right now?
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Post by Libra on Jan 18, 2016 21:04:37 GMT -5
A few things I caught on re-read: @mod: Az un-voted me earlier. I almost want to say Liucci is town because he's not this aggressive as scum. There was D3 in Cynthia's game - he + Az were driving towards bringing home the win by lynching Zebra, until I turned on him for his over-aggression, and the tide followed. (Town still lost, but there was no way we were winning by that point. ) I remember a game when Libra was scum and fooled the f**k out of everyone. To sort of piggy-back off this (and maybe refute the Codex is a Town Troll point some), I remember you being one of the most helpful players for Town in that game. Granted you were the Town Cop and Kunt Neighbor-ized you, but still - contrast that game with, say, Cynthia's game...your gameplay between the two games doesn't have very much in common. I've noticed that Libra WASN'T the one to push us out of RVS this time. And as annoying as it might be when I've FOS'ed him in past games for rushing us, I can't help but feel like there's something up about him not being the first to move beyond RVS this time. LOL, the reaching is real.
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Post by Libra on Jan 18, 2016 21:05:23 GMT -5
Actually come to think of it a new vote count wouldn't hurt anyway.
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Post by Az Paynter on Jan 18, 2016 21:15:54 GMT -5
1) What do you think is the scum to town ratio in this game?
I don't see there being any more than 3 scum, frankly. We have 11 players, so 4 would seem like overkill. I think there is only one scum faction, no Independents ('cause they're still overused by Pulse standards). It could be just a duo team we're looking for, which would mean for one it's a little more forgiving if/when we make mistakes but also a smaller team might be a little bit harder to pin down.
2) Who do you find the most scummy as of right now?
TBH Kunt is on my radar right now, but not for the Kunt-is-always-suspicious thing nor his calling me out on prior flakiness. It's actually kinda weak because it feeds into my BS theory that the flavour roles actually have some hidden significance - 'cause next to every other flavour role so far known to be present, Conner Hastings is nobody and thus sticks out like a sore thumb. But yeah, an odd man out means nothing for the flavour character, and pursuing him for that is dumb if it turns out he's actually a power role of some kind. But hey - a stand is a stand.
Meanwhile I do get why there would be umbrage from Max/Zebra/whoever else it was at the suggestion that they might be a good first lynch option on the basis of being perceived 'useless', but I do think that if someone doesn't really contribute to this Day phase and it drags out to deadline (and knowing Pulse it most likely will) then I'd advocate lynching that person regardless if it's a newbie or not.
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Post by josh on Jan 18, 2016 21:21:46 GMT -5
Deadline has been set for Jan. 21, 2016 at 11:15 AM Eastern Time!
(Yay for the return of Mountain time!)
It takes 6/11 votes to lynch!
Day One: Vote Count 2
Az: Libra Codex: Kunt, Liucci Kunt: Codex Zebra: bigfan101
Not voting: Az, Cynthia, Stacey, Max, Mikey, Zebra
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 21:23:35 GMT -5
Vote: Mikey until he says something, because I believe he's the only person who hasn't spoke a word.
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Post by bigfan101 on Jan 18, 2016 21:36:06 GMT -5
Just FYI, these midday end times are really rough on me. I won't be on much the last couple hours.
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Post by Zeebz on Jan 18, 2016 21:42:14 GMT -5
^There was no umbrage on my part, lol. Everything that was said about my gameplay style was true. I am a more low-key player and I'm not that aggressive, and I've been trying to improve that lately. I'm going to try and have a more active role in the game simply because town doesn't need a bunch of dead weight players that aren't helping at all. Honestly it was more of a wake up call than anything.
That being said, I also support lynching the least helpful player, as I mentioned earlier (even if that means me). I didn't mention any names easier because I wanted to wait to see what the activity would look like going forward on this day phase, and that's what I plan to continue doing for now until I can actually get a read on everyone.
Also, I'm waiting for Mikey to come in before I am willing to slam him for inactivity. He has school during the times when most of us are the most active, and his schedule may be conflicting with his play. His absence isn't necessarily an indication of scum as of right now, but if his lack of activity continued then I would be more suspicious.
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Post by popstop on Jan 18, 2016 21:56:19 GMT -5
Josh sucks. That is all.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 22:49:51 GMT -5
Libra I mentioned Liucci being less aggressive as scum because he wasn't until D3 of Cynthia's game, only became as such because he thought he was securing his win at that point. He ended up shooting himself in the foor for it, which makes me think his actions this game (playing aggressively, basically ignoring RVS from the get go) are town. This is probably really flawed logic though because I'm profiling instead of actually looking at what's being said.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 22:59:28 GMT -5
vote: Az
Lord this looks so OMGUS, and to your credit those were crap questions to answer, but "a stand is a stand" feels like you're making excuses for yourself when nobody asked for one.
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