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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2016 16:50:11 GMT -5
bigfan101 I wasn't talking about you, lol. That's not why I FOS'ed you, but looking back I somehow missed that you were on Libra's lynch, so nevermind that point. If it wasn't already clear, of everyone I outlined you're my weakest suspicion and, again, Max and Cynthia make more sense to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2016 18:57:13 GMT -5
surfy please weigh in before you're prodded. We can't afford to have someone modkilled at this point in the game.
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Post by bigfan101 on Jan 28, 2016 19:02:55 GMT -5
bigfan101 I wasn't talking about you, lol. That's not why I FOS'ed you, but looking back I somehow missed that you were on Libra's lynch, so nevermind that point. If it wasn't already clear, of everyone I outlined you're my weakest suspicion and, again, Max and Cynthia make more sense to me. Oh, my bad. I don't know know why I keep misreading your posts. Not sure why you think I could be scum after everyone accusing me at some point in this game , but we can discuss later if it comes to that. My vote remains with Cynthia and likely will not change.
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Post by surfy on Jan 28, 2016 19:07:01 GMT -5
I must say bigfan has been rubbing me the wrong way since I came back, and Kunt's reasoning only makes more sense.
I can see Cynthia being a good lynch for today, and I think this voting for herself strategy is a ploy, but I could also be wrong... so I want to make extra sure.
Also, planning on looking through Liucci's actions for D1 tonight, so look for that analysis I guess?
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Post by surfy on Jan 28, 2016 19:07:39 GMT -5
"came back" should be "joined"
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2016 19:17:45 GMT -5
Am I the only one who sees no point in Surf analyzing what would effectively be his own actions earlier in the game? What is he supposed to say? "I found myself scummy?"
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Post by surfy on Jan 28, 2016 19:21:07 GMT -5
Am I the only one who sees no point in Surf analyzing what would effectively be his own actions earlier in the game? What is he supposed to say? "I found myself scummy?" I agree. I didn't see the point of it, but if it helps, I'm willing to do it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2016 19:30:39 GMT -5
@touch If you're not even going to try to look at this game with a set of 'if Cynthia is town, then what?' goggles then no, this pointless. "Examining" Libra's thoughts, at least in your current state of mind, is pointless. You're going to waste 24 hours and have to throw every single thought you had out once you see my role flip. Yo f**k my sleep schedule. I can't keep my eyes closed. I'm still buzzed and in no condition to produce anything right now (also too lazy to leave bed) so yeah, but @antigonerising a few things. First: why Zebra and Surf? Why not Max? Or even Stacey for formalitiy's sake? Please elaborate on Max because again, you've stayed off of him this entire game. Second: where did three scum come from? By the numbers we could conceivably have four, and I don't think that was ever discussed in depth. You seem to be set on three though, for some reason. Third: I've already explained why me outing codex wouldn't have been beneficial as a scum move, and that wouldn't matter whether I was an indie or mafia. Furthermore, if I were indie I wouldn't be half as active or aggressive in scum hunting because why would I make myself a target for scum like that? I'm probably the next in line to be NKed. unvote: Cynthia because as I said, I want us to discuss our options first before anyone hammers and town, scum, or otherwise rushing your own lynch in this scenario is balls. I want to be clear that in no way am I dropping suspicion with this unvote, though. My thoughts on Max and Stacey simply have not changed. I don't have the time that is really needed to go back and read things so if I'm missing something then that is just me being a shit player (and frankly, not very useful to keep regardless of town status). Max is playing a better game than I am IMO, without giving off 'scummy' vibes (or put it like this, what do you actually have on Max other than 'I think Cynthia is scum and Cynthia won't ever mention him' - legit question b/c I don't know if you've already explained this). Stacey ended Day 1 well, but I don't recall much from him Day 2 so that's something to look into...with Stacey it's not that he's the most town seeming player but that you, Zebra, and Surf (well, really Liucci) seem scummier. If Stacey is playing the lie-low game he's playing it very well. You're Kunt, so you're always going to kind of be on someone's radar for a NK. And you have played aggressive as a scum player before so that's not really an excuse. I am not entirely committed to the idea but you could always be bulletproof which could make up for the fact that you don't have a factional kill. A game should have between 25 and 33% scum. For an 11-player game, 2 scum players is too low (18%) and 4 is too high (36%), even if you break it up as two mafia teams or one mafia team and one indie. If you have more questions I'll do my best to answer them but in case you have not figured it out by now, there's not likely going to be much in the way of depth or clarity from me. *shrug* sorry.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2016 19:34:08 GMT -5
@antigonerising RE: Cynthia glasses, read what I said after the break in my reply to you. Literally all of that analysis hinged on Libra. I didn't even mention you until the end.
On a more personal note if anything I've said has actually gotten under your skin then let me apologize, but I feel like you think I'm playing a game of shit on Cynthia and I'm absolutely not.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2016 19:34:59 GMT -5
Am I the only one who sees no point in Surf analyzing what would effectively be his own actions earlier in the game? What is he supposed to say? "I found myself scummy?" You mean Liucci's D1 stuff? The point is just for him to look at what Liucci did say before leaving, and say whether or not he agreed with Liucci's points. it just adds some perspective to the game, that's all. Then the rest of us can look into what Surf does or says, compare/contrast that with Liucci, and make an assessment from there. It's not entirely useless.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2016 19:37:07 GMT -5
Am I the only one who sees no point in Surf analyzing what would effectively be his own actions earlier in the game? What is he supposed to say? "I found myself scummy?" You mean Liucci's D1 stuff? The point is just for him to look at what Liucci did say before leaving, and say whether or not he agreed with Liucci's points. it just adds some perspective to the game, that's all. Then the rest of us can look into what Surf does or says, compare/contrast that with Liucci, and make an assessment from there. It's not entirely useless. That's fair.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2016 19:40:53 GMT -5
@antigonerising RE: Cynthia glasses, read what I said after the break in my reply to you. Literally all of that analysis hinged on Libra. I didn't even mention you until the end. On a more personal note if anything I've said has actually gotten under your skin then let me apologize, but I feel like you think I'm playing a game of s**t on Cynthia and I'm absolutely not. First sentence - i'm sorry, which reply? I think I'm looking at the wrong post. second sentence - no, it's not that. Well, not quite that. What I mean is, I really do think you're coming for me because you think I am mafia (regardless of whether you're indie or town) and it's an entirely valid suspicion because I've behaved like someone who you should suspect. I'm just running on fumes and missing stuff that I see later, or just...missing it and not seeing it at all. I think Max said my self-vote seemed like frustration but I'm not frustrated with the game itself or with people thinking I am scum (I've been talking to myself in my role PM and on day 1 I said I expected to run into this as soon as I got copped by someone). I'm just unhappy with my own play and feeling like I'm not helping/can't help more.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2016 19:45:36 GMT -5
@antigonerising this so the post I'm referring to. I tried to cover everyone in the game based on Libra's voting patterns and correlating that with their own votes, general suspicions, etc. It also covers why I find Max suspicious, which is equal parts his voting patterns and process of elimination. I'm not budging on my self-vote because it is clear that the only reason you guys are holding up the lynch is because you think I'm trying to psyche you out...i.e. you literally get nothing out of keeping me around. Girl no I want people to take the time to look into who Libra voted for, what he's said prior, and not waste anymore of this day phase but actually take advantage of it. That actually has nothing to do with you. Again, if you're actually town then I have no idea why rushing through a day phase is even remotely beneficial. Also I'd really like you to touch on the questions I asked you last night. -- Speaking of, I did just that and came across a couple of things. For one, Libra was one of the first on Liucci/Surf's wagon that was forming D1 here, which is part of what forced the latter to step away from the game. I don't think they're aligned. I also don't think Zebra would be the second vote on Libra's wagon if they were aligned. These votes are really the only thing I can look at, because looking back he pretty much had "null" on everyone. Surf is plausible I guess, because they were never actually lynched, but I'm going to keep harping on Codex's post here that makes a lot of sense, actually. So, yeah, Libra/Surf/Zebra makes no sense. Libra has also maintained that Cynthia is conclusively town, but looking at bigfan's lynch Libra never once voted for him even though he moved from having a hard town read to having a null read on him. bigfan also wasn't on Libra's lynch, and instead spent the day voting for Stacey (?) and Zebra. FoS: bigfan. That said, I'm am alarmed at the fact that Max has, for the entirety of this game, made exactly one non-RVS vote? How has that gone unchecked? Stacey hammered both days, but I'm not inclined to find anything about his play that suspicious short of him picking up on the game really quickly. I think that covers everyone. So yeah, of everyone remaining I'd say 2/3 of Cytnhia, Max, and bigfan are the remaining scum with Cynthia and Max looking more likely. If Cynthia flips town today (I see no reason why we shouldn't lynch her) then it's assuredly Max and bigfan.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jan 28, 2016 22:21:56 GMT -5
I'm not budging on my self-vote because it is clear that the only reason you guys are holding up the lynch is because you think I'm trying to psyche you out...i.e. you literally get nothing out of keeping me around. Only, if you're actually town, lynching you is taking up valuable scum-lynching possibilities. ie. We can only lynch one person, we don't want that person to be town. Am I the only one who sees no point in Surf analyzing what would effectively be his own actions earlier in the game? What is he supposed to say? "I found myself scummy?" Possibly not. But would it hurt? We've heard nothing from the role since Liucci in Day 1 and we're well into Day 3 and all we've gotten from Surf are a few base piggybacking points and little else. I realize it's hard to get into the game this late as a replacement so it's likely he actually doesn't care, but that's not my concern so I don't care if he doesn't care. What I do care about is, if he wants to (and he should or I hope he does), Surf should read/skim over Liucci's posts (well, the whole thread really. It's not *that* long) to at least get his head in it. Is there a point? Not directly, but the more Surf can analyze everything, including his own role through Liucci, the more we can get a read on him because we've basically let this role SLIDE by for almost two whole (game) days AFTER Liucci's erratic cum mess from Day 1. If surf's role is scum, we're letting him basically get by. Quite frankly, I'm surprised you of all people said that. I realize you're gung-ho on Cynthia being the next target but when we have people with contributions smaller than Rihanna on a Rihanna record, it's just bad play to not get as much out of them as we can. At this point, I'm feeling rather frustrated myself. Other than Surf half-assing it, we've heard next to nothing from zebra, bigfan has contributed little, and Stacey seems mia. This is basically Kunt vs. Cynthia right now so maybe Cynthia is right that as long as she's in the game (I'm going to extrapolate that point and say both of you), there's not going to be much focus on anything else - because there hasn't been. Kunt has commented on everyone else and come up with some ideas but it's generally in response to Cynthia, who has seemingly given up. Come to think of it, if you both wind up being scum and have been fucking with us this entire game, you guys should win lmao fml. Re-reading stuff from earlier in the game, I'm once again reminded of the Libra/bigfan/Liucci connection that made a brief appearance when both Libra and bigfan brought up, in their own ways, defenses of Liucci. It looked strange to me at the time and in hindsight, it's still strange, but it seems like an amateur move on Libra's part to offer that sort of protection to Liucci if he were a scum partner. bigfan, on the other hand, I could see doing it moreso out of not really realizing that it could be something others might pick up on. I'm not necessarily suggesting that both bigfan and Liucci are scum (though if it actually ends up that way, you guys can all kiss my ass) but there have been bits of interaction between them over the course of the game to suggest that it's not entirely impossible. What's odd, however, is the lack of interaction between bigfan and Libra. Other than both putting a 'null' on each other several times and bigfan being the second last person to put a vote on Libra, there's really not much. For one, Libra was one of the first on Liucci/Surf's wagon that was forming D1 here, which is part of what forced the latter to step away from the game. I don't think they're aligned. He was third, after you and Codex. Soon-after, you moved your vote to Cynthia before the next vote count was posted. I'm pointing this out because at the time, Liucci was getting a lot of heat and I wouldn't put it past Libra as scum to jump on a bandwagon before it could be considered a "bandwagon". bigfan also wasn't on Libra's lynch, and instead spent the day voting for Stacey (?) and Zebra. What? It takes 5/9 votes to lynch! Libra: Kunt, Zebra, Codex, bigfan, Kanenrake Surf: Max Zebra: Cynthia Kunt: Libra Libra, Austin Wilde, Voyeur Thespian has been removed from production. In re-reading the first day, I really do think Liucci should have been our first lynch because, as I said then, we could have learned more from his lynch regardless of how he flipped than anyone else at that point. There's been little else to go on since then but now we have hindsight in our favour. If we're going to vote out Cynthia because we "literally get nothing out of keeping [her] around," I think Surf would make more sense on that basis instead. And once again, I'm going to repeat myself when I say so much of the game comes back to Liucci Surf. vote: surf
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2016 22:51:29 GMT -5
Devil Marlena Nylund I already corrected myself RE: the bigfan/Libra thing. As for your reasoning for Surf, I'm sorry, but I don't understand whatsoever (but then I don't understand suspicion of him in general). You want to lynch Surf now because of what we could have learned from Liucci D1. What, exactly, could we have learned from Liucci D1 though? His votes were literally all over the place and he was throwing suspicion at the wall like a monkey who just took a shit. Even if we could, why would we lynch him now for that? As for so much of the game coming back to Surf, I take it that's a personal thing because nobody else is talking about him or has since the end of D1 bar Cynthia and she hasn't even presented a strong case for it herself. And no, that's not why we're voting out Cynthia. People have outlined that since D1, we have a confirmed Cop who slapped a vote on her the beginning of D2. Sorry if that sounds rude I'm high af
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Post by bigfan101 on Jan 29, 2016 0:00:00 GMT -5
Sorry, y'all I had a day trip to Charlotte. Going through in the AM to see if there is anything that I have missed that may make me switch my mind.
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Post by surfy on Jan 29, 2016 0:06:23 GMT -5
Hey, can I take a rain check on that analysis tonight... some personal stuff just came up...
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Post by Kanenrá:ke on Jan 29, 2016 0:08:40 GMT -5
I fucking hate this game, I feel like we just keep going in circles and my brain is tired.
Vote: Cynthia
At this point there's really only one lynch option in my mind.
Cynthia - A ton of the game is being taken up discussing wether or not she's a scum member and the quickest way to find out is lynching her. If she's town we'll lose someone who's contributing a lot, but this will balance out for two reasons. 1) She'll no longer be a distraction. 2) It'd lend credence to her theory's. The wealth of information we can get from her lynch is greater than anybody else at this point.
Lynching Zebra, Bigfan, Surf, or me isn't going to help us. We've all done so little in the game that it's hard to make any conclusions from the fallout that are definitive. We all have to step up soon because I'm noticing we're slacking a lot.
I don't know who else is with me in this but I don't think there's anyway Kunt is a cum player.
That leaves Max, he's always been in my null or town camp but I'm willing to look at him closer when day 4 starts.
Honestly I agree with Cynthia in I don't know what we're waiting for really.
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Post by popstop on Jan 29, 2016 0:11:23 GMT -5
I don't think there's anyway Kunt is a cum player. Uh, he is totally a cum player. You all are. That is why you were hired for this production.
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Post by bigfan101 on Jan 29, 2016 9:03:07 GMT -5
Alright I have reviewed everything.
As we have discussed there is likely two scum remaining. At this point, everything is leaning towards Max and Cynthia.
My thought is if we are concerned with Cynthia might be actually telling the truth and she has a roll where she cannot be NK, then why don't we start with Max? As been stated many times, he has skated by and has not been accused much and has rarely voted, trying to remain in the shadows. I think we will learn just as much from lynching Max as we would by lynching Cynthia.
Vote: Max
Also, I think it is downright comical that y'all are even halfway considering me to be scum. Do you realize every remaining player has voted for me AND/OR had a FOS on me at some point throughout this game? My gameplay has honestly been not great. (I think for the next few games I am gonna watch from the green room and try to learn some things versus playing.)
I said I wouldn't fight and I would do what's best for the town, however, when day 4 comes there will be very few of us left, and if I don't get NK, you cannot afford to lynch me because a mis-lynch at that point could cost the town the entire game.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2016 11:19:14 GMT -5
vote: Cynthiabigfan101 what would we learn from Max's lynch, though?
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Post by popstop on Jan 29, 2016 11:27:41 GMT -5
OK, this is the scene where everyone in the pizza shop discusses how they've been teased by the pizza boy...
Deadline has been set for Jan. 29, 2016 at 8:00 PM Mountain!
It takes 4/7 votes to lynch!
Cynthia: Cynthia, Kanenrake, Kunt Max: bigfan
Not voting: Max, Surf, Zebra
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Post by popstop on Jan 29, 2016 11:33:10 GMT -5
#Mod_ Zeebz has been given a warning for 24 hours of inactivityActually it's 36. >:( This is Zebra's first warning.
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Post by bigfan101 on Jan 29, 2016 11:51:39 GMT -5
vote: Cynthiabigfan101 what would we learn from Max's lynch, though? My thought is after reading everything most people have as strong opinions about Max as they do Cynthia. However, Cynthia has role claimed with something that could potentially be valuable if she is telling the truth, where as Max as not. I am not sure what more we would learn from Cynthia going versus Max. However, if you all prefer Cynthia, I think they are both scum so it does not matter to me, just playing devils advice so we can go over every scenario.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2016 11:53:29 GMT -5
i'm leaving in 30 minutes so it would be nice if you'd go ahead and drop that hammer and I can peep at the green room real quick
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2016 11:54:11 GMT -5
- and no, there is not really much use in trying to push a Max lynch right now since discussion would return back to me regardless of Max's alignment
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Post by bigfan101 on Jan 29, 2016 11:59:31 GMT -5
i'm leaving in 30 minutes so it would be nice if you'd go ahead and drop that hammer and I can peep at the green room real quick I would prefer to hear from zebra at least once in this day period before we (I) drop the hammer.
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Post by Zeebz on Jan 29, 2016 12:17:38 GMT -5
Oh, lol.
Cynthia makes good points about how she's a distraction, but I'm not liking how eager she is to remove herself from the game. If she's town, that would still hurt town? I don't understand really.
Mike's most recent post is kind of a mess, and I'm not liking his noncommittal to a vote. He's only voted once, as someone else mentioned, and it kind of rings a bell.
I have to leave for now because #busy, but I would be fine with either option.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2016 12:22:59 GMT -5
I have to leave for now because #busy, but I would be fine with either option. ...and then didn't bother putting a vote down on either of us.
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Post by Zeebz on Jan 29, 2016 13:18:58 GMT -5
Vote: Max because of reasons stated above and not wanting to hammer Cynthia (which I suppose I would be willing to do) until everyone has a chance to give input.
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