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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2016 13:25:28 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2016 13:28:55 GMT -5
Everyone has given input. The only thing we're missing is Surf analyzing himself.
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Post by surfy on Jan 29, 2016 15:26:12 GMT -5
I will try my best to do it after school. I'm not really in the game, and I'm so sorry, there's just some shit happening irl.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jan 29, 2016 15:33:20 GMT -5
Alright I have reviewed everything. As we have discussed there is likely two scum remaining. At this point, everything is leaning towards Max and Cynthia. My thought is if we are concerned with Cynthia might be actually telling the truth and she has a roll where she cannot be NK, then why don't we start with Max? As been stated many times, he has skated by and has not been accused much and has rarely voted, trying to remain in the shadows. I think we will learn just as much from lynching Max as we would by lynching Cynthia. Vote: MaxAlso, I think it is downright comical that y'all are even halfway considering me to be scum. Do you realize every remaining player has voted for me AND/OR had a FOS on me at some point throughout this game? My gameplay has honestly been not great. (I think for the next few games I am gonna watch from the green room and try to learn some things versus playing.) I said I wouldn't fight and I would do what's best for the town, however, when day 4 comes there will be very few of us left, and if I don't get NK, you cannot afford to lynch me because a mis-lynch at that point could cost the town the entire game. This is too much! lol! At this point, everything DOESN'T lean towards myself or Cynthia unless that's how you're choosing to make it seem. Cynthia has gotten the bulk of the attention for about half the entire game up to now, but when we consider how much content each of us has contributed, once again, SURF is next to nothing and Zebra is considerably minimal in comparison to most of the rest of us. So, it's fair to say at this point in the game, things should start to seem more clear, so I really don't see how anyone can say everything is leaning on us when there is still -at least!- one person who hasn't said enough to get a reliable reading on. It also bothers me that I seem to be the only one bothered by this! Next, why is it bad if someone doesn't get accused much? That means either one of two things: a) that player is reliably town with little-to-no reason to believe otherwise, or b) that player is really good at convincing the entire game that they're town but are actually scum. I'm flattered if you actually believe B applies to me. I honestly don't believe I could play that well if I were scum, ESPECIALLY in a game with Kunt, Cynthia and Codex. I know Kunt and Cynthia are humble and don't think they're as good as we make them out to be but let's be real, we all agree they're two of the most observant players in this game. If I could successfully pull the wool over both their eyes for this long, I'd be beaming with pride. Also, if every single player has considered you scum at some point in the game, how does that make you innocent? The most common scum tactic is to point suspicion at your teammates at some point during the game, someones even laying down votes for them to distance each other in the event either get lynched. The fact "every remaining player has voted for" you means little in the way of you leaning town or scum. Cynthia makes good points about how she's a distraction, but I'm not liking how eager she is to remove herself from the game. If she's town, that would still hurt town? I don't understand really. I'm also not liking Cynthia's eagerness to get lynched if she's town. The way I'm figuring it now, we're down to the wire if we want to win this game. Best-case-scenario, we started with three scum, nothing more, nothing less. There are 7 players left. With Libra gone and using said best-case-scenario, there are 2 scum remaining. If we mis-lynch today, we're down to 6. Scum takes someone out for the night kill, that's 5 - or 3 on 2, or one last decision that, if wrong, loses us the game. This is why I'm so adamant to get higher involvement from our least active players. While we can afford to make one more mistake, I'm not comfortable doing it if we can avoid it and if Cynthia is town, she should be helping us avoid it. Mike's most recent post is kind of a mess, and I'm not liking his noncommittal to a vote. He's only voted once, as someone else mentioned, and it kind of rings a bell. I've kept my vote on Surf (and the role's past variations) for most of the game. I'd say if anything, that's pure commitment. But you're probably right in that it should ring a bell (I think Kunt mentioned it earlier too) because it's more-or-less a wasted vote while everyone else is jumping on players who probably have more solid reasoning behind their scumminess because they have more to go off of. I'm mostly going off of Liucci's first-day play, Surf's lack of commitment to anything in Day 3, and the lack of anything to go off of in between that I feel is too big a risk to just let slide through. As I said before, I'm frustrated that I'm the only one who seems to actually be on this. Am I wasting my time? Tell me I'm wasting my time and I'll commit a vote to someone else if it means getting us somewhere. If we're going to vote out Cynthia, we might as well just make it happen and then you can bring your attention to me and lynch me on Day 4, assuming I don't get NKed (it's unlikely I would if I'm the next planned lynch target left anyway). If Cynthia flips scum and then I'm lynched Day 4, at least our options are narrowed and we still have a shot to win. If Cynthia flips town and I get lynched, game over. Then we can all talk about how we suck.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2016 16:08:02 GMT -5
Vote: Max because of reasons stated above and not wanting to hammer Cynthia (which I suppose I would be willing to do) until everyone has a chance to give input. Well I am sure as heck not moving my vote to Max. that's just trading one mislynch for the other (I think). I read your "I have to leave for now" as "I might not be back before deadline/a hammer drops" so I side eyed your own noncommittal nature - more so than Max's because Max hasn't given the impression that he wouldn't be around to vote later. Your vote for Max put him at L-1 so it's not like you would have had to tie yourself to a hammer on anyone...i.e. why try to avoid voting in the first place? You shouldn't have be cajoled into voting. It's as if you're scared to commit to either of us because you're afraid of how it will reflect on you. FWIW I do think Max should put a vote down - if not on me, then on who he thinks should be the lynch. I understand he's hesitant b/c most of the discussion has been tied to me so much that it doesn't seem like there's much potential for anyone else to be the target (except for Max himself), but a vote would establish a record of suspicion for later reference. Also, if every single player has considered you scum at some point in the game, how does that make you innocent? The most common scum tactic is to point suspicion at your teammates at some point during the game, someones even laying down votes for them to distance each other in the event either get lynched. The fact "every remaining player has voted for" you means little in the way of you leaning town or scum. I partially agree with this. I think what is important is considering when each player voted for a person. With bigfan what stands out is that he was at L-1 on day one and there was hardly anybody coming to his defense. The Mikey lynch came together very last-minute and I'd have to look back through those day 1 posts to see if it was a possible attempt to distract from bigfan or if the Mikey lynch is just what happened because it was easier (bigfan was here to defend himself, while Mikey was not). bigfan isn't entirely off to point out that everyone has been suspect of him at some point, it's just that it's a fact that would require a closer look to make sure it's a wholly accurate picture. that's kind of why i am advocating my lynch though. I am town and will insist it to my fake-dying breath, but I don't trust my ability to convince others of that on a later day, nor do I trust most of the remaining players to believe me on a later day even if they tell me now they would. I think I said in a previous post 'lynch me now or never' and that is because this is the last day that town can afford a mislynch before we have to get it right from here on out.** **this presumes a 3-person mafia team but if there's an indie there's still a tiny bit of leeway. just to stay on the safe side i am looking at the odds as if we had a 3-person team. i would hope after i flip that people would not still be looking at you as a potential lynch. if i were mafia, sure, but i'm town so that isn't going to really make sense. hell it wouldn't even make sense if i were indie since indies are only out for self.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2016 16:09:21 GMT -5
vote: Surf
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2016 16:28:58 GMT -5
Max what have you contributed though lol
Not to be rude but you've tunneled a vote for Surf and that's literally it. Your premise is fair in that you want more info, and frankly I'm getting annoyed that we aren't getting any myself, but deadline is tonight. Now isn't the time to start pressuring him.
Also Max has never been at L-1.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2016 16:36:27 GMT -5
Max what have you contributed though lol Not to be rude but you've tunneled a vote for Surf and that's literally it. Your premise is fair in that you want more info, and frankly I'm getting annoyed that we aren't getting any myself, but deadline is tonight. Now isn't the time to start pressuring him. Also Max has never been at L-1. My bad, I mistakenly thought there were two votes on Max before Zebra put his down. That actually underscores my point more though, there wasn't really any need for Zebra to not have a vote on someone. I assume that second sentence is directed more at Max but it should be fairly easy to get two votes back on me. I'm not too concerned about that. Today hasn't really gone as planned for me so I have officially chalked it up as a loss in terms of RL productivity so I'll check in every so often.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2016 16:37:23 GMT -5
*second sentence = second paragraph. actually it's hard to tell which one of us you're talking to there.
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Post by popstop on Jan 29, 2016 16:37:50 GMT -5
Meh, how about another vote count? I'm bored.
Deadline has been set for Jan. 29, 2016 at 8:00 PM Mountain!
It takes 4/7 votes to lynch!
Cynthia: Kanenrake, Kunt Max: bigfan, Zebra Surf: Cynthia
Not voting: Max, Surf
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Post by bigfan101 on Jan 29, 2016 16:55:58 GMT -5
So my preference is to eliminate Max.
I am not sure I believe all this stuff the Cynthia is pouring on, but more and more it sounds like someone that has given up and just doesn't want to fight anymore even though they are town. (Believe me, I had this happen to me on day one in the exact same scenario)
Max, I don't believe and his complete focus on Luicci/GB/Surf is not smart in my eyes but stupidity. He has blinders on. He was also one of two that did not vote for Libra last round.
I stand by the fact that regardless of how Luicci was doing health wise, I just cannot see him quitting a mafia game when he was mafia.
I don't think there is anyway that Kunt is scum. He blew the whistle on Libra, and I cannot see a scum members turning on each other in such an early state of the game especially when there were easier targets.
I also think Stacey is town now. Two straight L-1 votes for a rookie player. To me, if he was scum, there was no way that they would allow him to put the final vote on with time remaining and people waiting to hear from Cynthia, etc.
I am not sure what's going on with Zebra. lol
So long story short. I know we have to lynch someone. My preference would be in this order: Max-Cynthia-Zebra-Surf-Stacey-Kunt.
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Post by KanenrΓ‘:ke on Jan 29, 2016 17:04:25 GMT -5
Super sick here folks. I'm leaving my vote as is for now but I can barely type so I won't be around for the rest of the day. Sorry.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2016 17:21:47 GMT -5
*second sentence = second paragraph. actually it's hard to tell which one of us you're talking to there. I was talking to Max. Sorry, would have quoted him but mobile is limited.
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Post by Zeebz on Jan 29, 2016 17:23:56 GMT -5
When I said that I was busy and couldn't post for a while, I had meant until later this day phase. I didn't mean that I would be gone at the deadline. I was just going to be gone for a few hours.
Also, I didn't know that everyone had contributed because I haven't actually been around, lol. I admittedly should've looked through the thread first more thoroughly before I popped in to say anything but I wanted to try and offer some input before someone dropped a hammer on Cynthia.
Max, you state that I haven't done much which is fair but neither have you really. You have improved your game, but not by much. You've been rather absent lately also, and you have tunnel visioned on Surf. Surf does need to add more, but I don't think that he is necessarily scummy yet per say. You've mostly said that you have a null read on most everyone and seem to not be committal to anything besides Surf.
I'll drop this to add more clarity
Most Scummy To Least:
Max Cynthia Surf Bigfan Kunt Kanenrake Zebra
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2016 17:31:39 GMT -5
As for getting two votes back on Cynthia, apparently bigfan is dead set on not getting you out of the game for reasons I don't fully understand, but respect... sort of, and Surf is MIA due to drama. Max seems to be hung up entirely too much on Surf, which I can't entirely blame him for since I've been in Cynthia since D1 myself, but the difference is lynching Surf would yield literally nothing whereas lynching Cynthia opens up a number of other possibilities (that, and I also don't find Surf even remotely suspicious). I'm still not sure why Zebra put a vote on Max either.
Oh, and deadline is like a few hours away. If it comes down to it, for the sake of a lynch, I wouldn't be opposed to Max and will hammer, but I still feel VERY strongly that we should lynch Cynthia. Not only will it remove a distraction from the game, but we can look at who has said what about her based on her flip and correlate that with what she's said. With Max, all we have is 3 day phases worth of "why isn't surf talking???" and null reads.
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Post by bigfan101 on Jan 29, 2016 17:44:22 GMT -5
As for getting two votes back on Cynthia, apparently bigfan is dead set on not getting you out of the game for reasons I don't fully understand, but respect... sort of, and Surf is MIA due to drama. Max seems to be hung up entirely too much on Surf, which I can't entirely blame him for since I've been in Cynthia since D1 myself, but the difference is lynching Surf would yield literally nothing whereas lynching Cynthia opens up a number of other possibilities (that, and I also don't find Surf even remotely suspicious). I'm still not sure why Zebra put a vote on Max either. Oh, and deadline is like a few hours away. If it comes down to it, for the sake of a lynch, I wouldn't be opposed to Max and will hammer, but I still feel VERY strongly that we should lynch Cynthia. Not only will it remove a distraction from the game, but we can look at who has said what about her based on her flip and correlate that with what she's said. With Max, all we have is 3 day phases worth of "why isn't surf talking???" and null reads. I never said "deadset" all I said was my preference would be Max. If the group perfers Cynthia I would hammer her as well.
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Post by Zeebz on Jan 29, 2016 17:47:41 GMT -5
Yeah, both are giving me scum vibes and I would be content with either one. Max just jumps out a little more at the moment.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jan 29, 2016 18:16:42 GMT -5
FWIW I do think Max should put a vote down - if not on me, then on who he thinks should be the lynch. I understand he's hesitant b/c most of the discussion has been tied to me so much that it doesn't seem like there's much potential for anyone else to be the target (except for Max himself), but a vote would establish a record of suspicion for later reference. Wait. Haven't I had a vote down for Surf since yesterday? (in real time, not game time btw) Yeah, I did. At the bottom of this post: pulsemusic.proboards.com/post/5562519/threadI think I said in a previous post 'lynch me now or never' and that is because this is the last day that town can afford a mislynch before we have to get it right from here on out. Ok, now I gotcha. I mean, it's kind of what I said above already. I still don't like it because I feel like we can avoid having to do that. Max what have you contributed though lol Not to be rude but you've tunneled a vote for Surf and that's literally it. Your premise is fair in that you want more info, and frankly I'm getting annoyed that we aren't getting any myself, but deadline is tonight. Now isn't the time to start pressuring him. You're right. I have. And it's a good question because in looking back, I have tunnelled on him more than really anything else. I obviously wasn't expecting us to have gotten this far to have me still harping the same point so in that sense, I've allowed myself to get distracted on that one thing that I'm still stuck on. Beyond that, I've done a few rundowns of where my thoughts lie in regards to each player and for the most part, my suspicions haven't shifted much other than bigfan and zebra switching places as my second and third place most-likely-to-be-scum players respectfully (bigfan drops 2-3 and zebra moves 3-2 - with a bullet!). So I dunno, I guess I've made it my mission to make sure we aren't inconveniently (or otherwise) forgetting to take into account all players. I will disagree with you about our timing. We still have four(?) hours left, which is actually less time than it took for the Mikey bandwagon to move into high gear. And that lynch required more people to get on it as Mikey had 2 votes on him with 3 hours left while bigfan had 3 (He got hammered with his sixth vote 6 minutes before deadline). You've mostly said that you have a null read on most everyone and seem to not be committal to anything besides Surf. Yeah, no I didn't. I've maintained that I believe Surf to be most likely to be scum (once again, due to Liucci's play and the lack of everything that came after + process of eliminations) with you and/or bigfan are my most likelies. I've had Cynthia and Kunt as my most likely town reads with Stacey as a weak-to-moderate town. The only one I was really non-committal about, and I hate to admit it, was Libra. So basically, in order, because it's the trendy thing to do: Surf > Zebra > bigfan > Stacey > Kunt > Cynthia Oh, and deadline is like a few hours away. If it comes down to it, for the sake of a lynch, I wouldn't be opposed to Max and will hammer, but I still feel VERY strongly that we should lynch Cynthia. Not only will it remove a distraction from the game, but we can look at who has said what about her based on her flip and correlate that with what she's said. With Max, all we have is 3 day phases worth of "why isn't surf talking???" and null reads. This is valid, and I hate to say so because above^. Cynthia has already offered herself up as a lynch for this reason anyway and I was against it before but now it finally makes sense to me - because we could actually potentially get something from it, as long as we can be confident that would be the case because this is the last chance we have to mislynch. So, I guess, if we focus on this idea, what would the plan of action be if: Cynthia winds up scum? -who do you think the other scum would be? -who do you think is definitely not scum? Cynthia winds up town? -who do you think the scum players are now? The playing field is one less person. Greater odds of catching one. -who do you think are most likely town? And just for consideration, because it might be worth considering. What would the plan of action be if I am lynched tonight and: I end up scum? -who's the other scum and who definitely isn't? I end up town? -who are the remaining scum players and who's most likely town?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2016 18:21:25 GMT -5
I've already outlined my thought process in response to the Cynthia questions. To answer yours, if you flip scum I would still end up looking at Cynthia and potentially bigfan, but Cynthia would still be a massive roadblock in my head, and depending on her flip I'd have to look at bigfan. If you flip town, then I'm still looking at Cynthia and bigfan. There's just not enough to your game right now to determine anything.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2016 18:22:06 GMT -5
"Cynthia questions", meaning the questions Max asked about Cynthia's flip should we lynch her. That was really poor wording.
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Post by bigfan101 on Jan 29, 2016 18:32:43 GMT -5
Alright, I can see how this is going. Kunt, I respect your game, and I would argue you have done the most to scope out the mafia. If eliminating Cynthia will help you help the town, I will switch my vote. They are my biggest scum reads to this point.
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Post by bigfan101 on Jan 29, 2016 18:33:26 GMT -5
vote: Cynthia
She is now at L-1
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Post by surfy on Jan 29, 2016 19:18:06 GMT -5
Okay well of course I would both pass out and have my computer crash while going through Day 1 thoughts. Even I'm annoyed with myself at this point...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2016 21:03:43 GMT -5
We have an hour. Somebody better do something.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2016 21:07:55 GMT -5
vote: Cynthia
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2016 21:08:18 GMT -5
sorry i sucked so hard guys
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2016 21:09:14 GMT -5
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Post by surfy on Jan 29, 2016 21:10:14 GMT -5
Fuuuuuuuuuuuck I don't want to be wrong, but I think this is the best move to find out where this game is going, and I have a feeling of scumminess from the safe claim alone...:
Vote: Cynthia
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2016 21:11:56 GMT -5
sorry i sucked so hard guys if you're town I hate myself pls don't lie to me right now lol
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Post by surfy on Jan 29, 2016 21:12:46 GMT -5
Wait, did Cynthia hammer herself? I thought she already voted for herself earlier?
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