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Post by onebuffalo on Aug 15, 2016 8:33:29 GMT -5
FWIW, I Saw The Light also wound up #1 for the year @ Billboard in 1992, a feat which no female has managed to duplicate since. Jesus Take The Wheel and Wasted finished third and fourth for the year in 2006 and 2007 respectively at R&R/Mediabase. I'm delighted that this scintillating single appears to be enroute to #1, hopefully next month. 1. I was shocked that the Wynonna Judd song finished first at the American Country Countdown and Billboard. After all, that was the same year Billy Ray Cyrus had the longest reigning #1 in Achy Breaky Heart (five weeks). Judd topped the chart for three weeks with I Saw The Light. 2. I think I said in the Dibs thread that Peter Pan would peak in September.
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Post by rsmatto on Aug 15, 2016 9:34:11 GMT -5
If you discount Donna Fargo,for,uncharted shouldn't Wy be discounted for being the lead voice for the previous decade's most popular and consistent chart topping duo? She had 15 #1s as a lead vocalist before her solo career. She was a star in the genre before her first solo single. Um, it's pretty straightforward why, actually. The Judds =/= Wynonna for chart purposes, so you can't say that Wynonna's first three singles as a solo artist weren't her first three because they were. What she did before that as part of an entirely different act doesn't matter. Furthermore, I see you conveniently missed out on what I said here: The only other woman in the history of country music to reach #1 on the BB country charts with her first three singles is Wynonna Judd with "She Is His Only Need," "I Saw the Light," and "No One Else on Earth" in 1992. She did have the pleasure of being one half of The Judds prior to that so it's not quite the same as what Kelsea is looking to do (going from unknown female to having 3 career-starter #1s), but technically speaking, she'd be the second after Wynonna to accomplish the feat. I addressed the difference between her getting 3 career-beginning #1s versus Kelsea Ballerini's feat. Neither one had any non-charting singles before their first #1 hits like Donna Fargo did though so if Kelsea accomplishes the feat with "Peter Pan," she'll be the second after Wynonna to do it (on BB's country charts anyway). Donna's run of #1s didn't begin with her debut single so it's not the same. Yes, she'd be second since Wy to do that. But it still doesn't discount the fact what I said about Wy having been a superstar upon releasing her debut solo project. She wasn't some new unknown, which was the entire point I made. Sorry I didn't see the post above where you said that.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Aug 15, 2016 10:49:02 GMT -5
Yes, she'd be second since Wy to do that. But it still doesn't discount the fact what I said about Wy having been a superstar upon releasing her debut solo project. She wasn't some new unknown, which was the entire point I made. Sorry I didn't see the post above where you said that. Discussion is always best when you read all the posts in a thread; you would've seen where I made the same exact point. :)
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Post by .indulgecountry on Aug 17, 2016 15:06:35 GMT -5
This one just isn't slowing down. I wonder if it'll go up ahead of Jake Owen now? And if she does, I also wonder if that might also spell trouble for his chances at the top w/ ACLS? "Peter Pan" is absolutely on fire (love it!) and looking like it could potentially be a multi-week #1 as bigfan101 alluded to. I'd definitely like to see at least 2 weeks at the summit for this one, anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2016 15:16:06 GMT -5
This one just isn't slowing down. I wonder if it'll go up ahead of Jake Owen now? And if she does, I also wonder if that might also spell trouble for his chances at the top w/ ACLS? "Peter Pan" is absolutely on fire (love it!) and looking like it could potentially be a multi-week #1 as bigfan101 alluded to. I'd definitely like to see at least 2 weeks at the summit for this one, anyway. This week and next week look crucial if Kelsea Ballerini wants to block off Jake Owen from the top. The CCUSA schedule has Sam Hunt host this week than Jake Owen hosting the week after (Kelsea Ballerini will probably host the week after or maybe the week after that). If Kelsea Ballerini can continue to increase her lead (she gained 660k more than Jake Owen alone today) Kelsea Ballerini could potentially just sit at the top and block Jake Owen off from the top and then get her own week or two since Dierks Bentley is so far behind (I think Jake Owen would be a MB only #1 in this case).
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Post by Mr. Thonk Eyes on Aug 17, 2016 15:17:36 GMT -5
This one just isn't slowing down. I wonder if it'll go up ahead of Jake Owen now? And if she does, I also wonder if that might also spell trouble for his chances at the top w/ ACLS? "Peter Pan" is absolutely on fire (love it!) and looking like it could potentially be a multi-week #1 as bigfan101 alluded to. I'd definitely like to see at least 2 weeks at the summit for this one, anyway. Today's Mediabase rolling update shows Kelsea at #4 and ahead of Jake, who is at #5.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Aug 17, 2016 15:35:55 GMT -5
This one just isn't slowing down. I wonder if it'll go up ahead of Jake Owen now? And if she does, I also wonder if that might also spell trouble for his chances at the top w/ ACLS? "Peter Pan" is absolutely on fire (love it!) and looking like it could potentially be a multi-week #1 as bigfan101 alluded to. I'd definitely like to see at least 2 weeks at the summit for this one, anyway. Today's Mediabase rolling update shows Kelsea at #4 and ahead of Jake, who is at #5. I know, that's what prompted my post, lol. It was assumed during recent discussions Jake Owen would be next in line for the top after D+S/Sam, but she could go up ahead now instead given that "Peter Pan" is on fire and ACLS... isn't.
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Post by dm2081 on Aug 17, 2016 19:01:59 GMT -5
Jake could easily jump this though, and I'd imagine Black River will play nice because Kelsea's song is still relatively young, and I'd imagine they want to max as many weeks as possible in top 10 because they might be done with the era after this.
On a side note, I'm slightly ticked off this one passed Jake today. I know it's sold a little better lately and has been a big hit for Kelsea, but it's a Pop song masquerading as a countrty tune (I know, I know, so is everything else these days...). Just annoys me to see this blow up the charts while other solid songs from newcomers are struggling. Same issue I have with LoCash right now. I like Kelsea for the most part, but this song is such Disney crap.
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Post by bksouthga on Aug 17, 2016 22:55:04 GMT -5
I posted a while back on this thread about the whole Nick Jonas guitar solo goof on the awards show, but I have since decided I don't like the guitar solo on the recorded version either! It sounds out of tune, and always reminds me of an ambulance siren. I hate that for me it detracts from an otherwise pretty good song.
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Post by robenglund on Aug 17, 2016 23:24:01 GMT -5
I posted a while back on this thread about the whole Nick Jonas guitar solo goof on the awards show, but I have since decided I don't like the guitar solo on the recorded version either! It sounds out of tune, and always reminds me of an ambulance siren. I hate that for me it detracts from an otherwise pretty good song. It's definitely not out of tune. The guitar solo alternates between just two notes basically but I definitely agree with you that it sounds like an ambulance siren. Now I'm not going to be able to get that out of my head every time I hear the song come on lol.
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Post by Kanenrá:ke on Aug 18, 2016 15:42:23 GMT -5
Jake could easily jump this though, and I'd imagine Black River will play nice because Kelsea's song is still relatively young, and I'd imagine they want to max as many weeks as possible in top 10 because they might be done with the era after this. On a side note, I'm slightly ticked off this one passed Jake today. I know it's sold a little better lately and has been a big hit for Kelsea, but it's a Pop song masquerading as a countrty tune (I know, I know, so is everything else these days...). Just annoys me to see this blow up the charts while other solid songs from newcomers are struggling. Same issue I have with LoCash right now. I like Kelsea for the most part, but this song is such Disney crap. I find it funny that it bothers you considering Jake Owen's song isn't any more country really. lol
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Post by bboat11 on Aug 18, 2016 17:37:51 GMT -5
Jake could easily jump this though, and I'd imagine Black River will play nice because Kelsea's song is still relatively young, and I'd imagine they want to max as many weeks as possible in top 10 because they might be done with the era after this. On a side note, I'm slightly ticked off this one passed Jake today. I know it's sold a little better lately and has been a big hit for Kelsea, but it's a Pop song masquerading as a countrty tune (I know, I know, so is everything else these days...). Just annoys me to see this blow up the charts while other solid songs from newcomers are struggling. Same issue I have with LoCash right now. I like Kelsea for the most part, but this song is such Disney crap. I find it funny that it bothers you considering Jake Owen's song isn't any more country really. lol Well Jake Owen's song has the word "country" in the title. While Kelsea's literally has the name of a Disney character. So in a way the original analogy is justified :kii:
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2016 17:52:33 GMT -5
I'm gonna say it despite my love of Kelsea Ballerini "Peter Pan" it is a total pop song (like all of Kelsea Ballerini debut album, if I'm being honest) but it's a really great pop song. It's very well written, and Kelsea sounds better vocally here than she did on her first two singles.
"American Country Love Song" for me lacks a good melody and the whole spoken word verses just naturally gets under my skin. The production also is a whole bland nothing to my ears. Not exactly country but really what genre can you put "American Country Love Song" in?
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Post by bksouthga on Aug 18, 2016 23:13:34 GMT -5
I posted a while back on this thread about the whole Nick Jonas guitar solo goof on the awards show, but I have since decided I don't like the guitar solo on the recorded version either! It sounds out of tune, and always reminds me of an ambulance siren. I hate that for me it detracts from an otherwise pretty good song. It's definitely not out of tune. The guitar solo alternates between just two notes basically but I definitely agree with you that it sounds like an ambulance siren. Now I'm not going to be able to get that out of my head every time I hear the song come on lol. I think it may be that it sounds like there is some sort of tremolo kind of effect on it. I've heard similar kind of things before, where it's in tune but still sounds a little off to me. I don't have perfect pitch but I have pretty dang good relative pitch.
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Post by Elusive Chanteuse on Aug 22, 2016 23:13:43 GMT -5
Does anyone knows if there is a potential chance of her team pushing this over to Hot AC/Pop? I know there were plans to push Love Me Like You Mean It, but it never really went through.
The reason why I ask is because this is shaping or already has shaped up as her biggest hit yet, and its crossover potential is pretty high. I'm not saying they should capitalize on the opportunity, but if they want to market her into a bigger range of audience, then Peter Pan would definitely be its best chance based on how it's performing. I mean, if HOLY reached Top 20 on HAC, then this one should also reach around that peak (I know it's unfair comparison because FGL had few HAC hits in the past but...)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2016 17:23:56 GMT -5
How are the album sales for Kelsea Ballerini someone brought it up that Kelsea album sales are rather pathetic and her success screams a total fluke.
I am happy to see this enter the Top 2 on the Mongrel Chart so it's practically undeniable that this will be the biggest hit from the album. But is Kelsea Ballerini success a total fluke and just luck essentially, since her album has apparently sold pathetically?
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Post by onebuffalo on Aug 25, 2016 17:30:45 GMT -5
How are the album sales for Kelsea Ballerini someone brought it up that Kelsea album sales are rather pathetic and her success screams a total fluke. I am happy to see this enter the Top 2 on the Mongrel Chart so it's practically undeniable that this will be the biggest hit from the album. But is Kelsea Ballerini success a total fluke and just luck essentially, since her album has apparently sold pathetically? The First Time sits at #19 this week with 174,000 sold so far. Terrible considering it's going to have three airplay #1s off it. I think Black River should just move on to album #2.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Aug 25, 2016 18:27:44 GMT -5
How are the album sales for Kelsea Ballerini someone brought it up that Kelsea album sales are rather pathetic and her success screams a total fluke. I am happy to see this enter the Top 2 on the Mongrel Chart so it's practically undeniable that this will be the biggest hit from the album. But is Kelsea Ballerini success a total fluke and just luck essentially, since her album has apparently sold pathetically?No, because she's selling right on par with or better than most of the other new artists she could be compared to. Plus, all three of her hits have gone at least Gold, with "Peter Pan" being particularly strong on the digital sales front. She's doing very, very well, and I see zero indication that any of it is a "fluke." Frankie Ballard's last album, for example, had three #1 hits as well and it had only sold just under 100k copies by the time "Young & Crazy" hit the top of the country charts. That's almost half of what Kelsea's sold on the back of her own three #1 singles.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2016 18:41:53 GMT -5
I don't think her number is bad. Nobody sells albums any more. That's because 1) they've lost their uniqueness and 2) people have stopped making cohesive "books" out of the album. Can you really throw "Tangled Up" in your player and listen from start to finish?
Anyway, until radio gets on par with digital sales, this is always going to happen. I think Kelsea has a huge following (whereas someone like Ballard really does not) so I doubt she'll flounder for album 2.
What I'm really interested in is how these artists who start their careers far from what used to be considered "country" (Hunt, Ballerini, Swindell, Rhett, etc) will progress as they continue putting out records. Someone like Keith Urban or Luke Bryan who sounded VERY country for the debut had much more wiggle room to change their sound. But where can Hunt and Ballerini go from here? One more step and they're basically straight-up pop. Do they reverse and sound more traditional next time around?
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Post by .indulgecountry on Aug 25, 2016 19:06:53 GMT -5
What I'm really interested in is how these artists who start their careers far from what used to be considered "country" (Hunt, Ballerini, Swindell, Rhett, etc) will progress as they continue putting out records. Someone like Keith Urban or Luke Bryan who sounded VERY country for the debut had much more wiggle room to change their sound. But where can Hunt and Ballerini go from here? One more step and they're basically straight-up pop. Do they reverse and sound more traditional next time around? I don't see why you can't go in both directions? There isn't some rule you can only musically move away from country and not back towards it. I could see Kelsea Ballerini doing really well with a more countrified sound if the pendulum ever swung back that way and she needed to move more in that direction in the future (not that I think that this is something that is all that likely to happen at any rate). There's a remix of "Love Me Like You Mean It" out there that has one of the countriest sounding productions of anything I've heard on radio and it doesn't *really* change the song; with or without fiddles and steel guitar and such, the core of LMLYMI is still pretty country and the production treatments of all her singles to date pushes a lot less boundaries than Sam Hunt or Thomas Rhett ever have. There's several songs on her debut album that are less poppy, too. I'm sure she's gonna be fine. She's well on her way to being the next A-list female country superstar.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2016 19:28:56 GMT -5
What I'm really interested in is how these artists who start their careers far from what used to be considered "country" (Hunt, Ballerini, Swindell, Rhett, etc) will progress as they continue putting out records. Someone like Keith Urban or Luke Bryan who sounded VERY country for the debut had much more wiggle room to change their sound. But where can Hunt and Ballerini go from here? One more step and they're basically straight-up pop. Do they reverse and sound more traditional next time around? I don't see why you can't go in both directions? There isn't some rule you can only musically move away from country and not back towards it. I could see Kelsea Ballerini doing really well with a more countrified sound if the pendulum ever swung back that way and she needed to move more in that direction in the future (not that I think that this is something that is all that likely to happen at any rate). There's a remix of "Love Me Like You Mean It" out there that has one of the countriest sounding productions of anything I've heard on radio and it doesn't *really* change the song; with or without fiddles and steel guitar and such, the core of LMLYMI is still pretty country and the production treatments of all her singles to date pushes a lot less boundaries than Sam Hunt or Thomas Rhett ever have. There's several songs on her debut album that are less poppy, too. I'm sure she's gonna be fine. She's well on her way to being the next A-list female country superstar. I have still have never heard this more country production for LMLYMI. I have even looked on YouTube and found nothing. But I do believe you. I feel like (and I'm not signalling out anybody) if a song doesn't have a steel guitar or if there is no fiddle, it gets this automatic label as a pop song or a rock song or this is not country. Which drives me nuts. I will say "Peter Pan" is probably the poppiest song she's released (due to a lack of a prevalent banjo) but it still sounds country enough that it doesn't make it stand out for being too pop aka Chris Lane, Sam Hunt and Thomas Rhett. I feel like for music critics it shouldn't be "Is this a good song? Yes!" Then so what if it's a good pop song on country radio. Criticism is and should always be welcomed (here included) don't get me wrong. I wouldn't want to hear every single person on Pulse talk about how great singers Carrie Underwood or Miranda Lambert without some opposite views on said singers (sorry to all you Carrie Underwood fans please don't kill me). But I've always found there is a differencebetween constructive criticism and straight up trolling/insults that are boring at best downright offensive at worst. If there is one thing I hope Kelsea Ballerini improves upon in general is her lyrics (moreso to shut the critics up about her as outside of "Dibs" "Looking At Stars" and "Yeah Boy" her debut album for me has hold up really well). Mainly as one of my friends said her first two singles sounded like bro country from a female perspective (I do disagree as a whole but it'd be nice for Kelsea to prove him wrong). I'll get off my soapbox now.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Aug 25, 2016 19:47:36 GMT -5
I have still have never heard this more country production for LMLYMI. I have even looked on YouTube and found nothing. But I do believe you. I wish I knew where to find it online somewhere too so I can listen to it more often. I still love the original (there's a great punch to the production in it that I love and it's what I'm more accustomed to), but the remix is great, too. I think only one of the three stations in KC plays it instead because I don't hear it all the time or anything (still hear the original the most).
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Post by sabre14 on Aug 29, 2016 19:47:57 GMT -5
"Power Up" ads are common right before a "Max Spin" push, so it appears that Black River is about to let Jake at least have the Mediabase #1 this week (Sony just let it be known this week they are pushing for #1) and will shoot for both charts next week for sure with "Peter Pan."
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Post by M&TSwiftie on Sept 6, 2016 11:40:48 GMT -5
Kelsea audience gained more than jake this morning to make her #1 At Mediabase lw TW Artist Title TW lw Move 2 1 KELSEA BALLERINI Peter Pan 8757 8235 522 59.670 3 2 JAKE OWEN American Country Love song. 8742 8245 497 59.266
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Post by sabre14 on Sept 6, 2016 11:45:53 GMT -5
Kelsea audience gained more than jake this morning to make her #1 At Mediabase lw TW Artist Title TW lw Move 2 1 KELSEA BALLERINI Peter Pan 8757 8235 522 59.670 3 2 JAKE OWEN American Country Love song. 8742 8245 497 59.266
Mediabase #1's aren't official unless a song finishes a week at #1 (Sunday evenings).
This isn't a surprise; Black River is pushing for #1 this week and nobody is remotely close to catching Kelsea (Dierks is over 1600 spins behind and Jake should be decreasing in airplay this week).
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Post by countryboy79 on Sept 7, 2016 5:20:39 GMT -5
Is it possible 2 weeks at #1 for Kelsea? There is a huge gap between Kelsea and Dierks right now and i think if the label handle well the spins for two weeks... Dierks will go at #1 for sure, but i dont'know if next week or another week.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Sept 7, 2016 8:51:21 GMT -5
Is it possible 2 weeks at #1 for Kelsea? There is a huge gap between Kelsea and Dierks right now and i think if the label handle well the spins for two weeks... Dierks will go at #1 for sure, but i dont'know if next week or another week. I hope it gets two weeks, as well. There's a big enough gap there and "Peter Pan" is probably the biggest hit of the year at country radio for a female, so I think Black River wouldn't need to do much convincing to keep this one afloat long enough to score two weeks at #1. It'd definitely be a great move on all accounts, so I really wanna see them go for it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 9:12:54 GMT -5
I don't think this will get 2 weeks at #1. I think their best chance at doing that would have been to block Jake Owen last week, which Kelsea could have easily done given that they were so close to each other audience-wise. I guess what I'm saying is, if Kelsea and Black River really wanted a 2-week #1, then last week and this week would have been the easiest weeks to top the chart by far, not this week and next week. It's true that Kelsea has a big lead over Dierks, but she also just hit 60 million in audience today, and I don't think she can stay that high next week. This string of 1-week #1's we've had lately has slowly resulted in higher and higher spins and audience totals for whatever song is currently sitting at #1 (the #1 songs in September and October always seem to peak at higher spins and audience levels than the #1 songs at any other time of the year), and since Kelsea is the latest to be at #1, she has the highest spins and audience numbers we've seen in a while...and it's only Wednesday, which means she still has half a week to go to secure an official #1 peak on both charts.
In short, I just can't see Kelsea being able to increase her numbers much beyond this weekend. Maybe she'll be able to hold steady for a few days, but I think she'll probably start to lose airplay next week, and I don't think it'll take that much of a drop for her to fall into passing range for Dierks.
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Post by robenglund on Sept 7, 2016 9:44:54 GMT -5
Plus with "Yeah Boy" about to be released wouldn't it be wise for Black River to stop working on "Peter Pan" and focus their efforts on that? I can't imagine "Yeah Boy" being a fast climber so the sooner the better. Also Kelsea is still working on album number 2 so maybe the more time the better. You can look at it both ways. It seems like Black River is just using "Yeah Boy" as "throw something at radio until Kelsea has new music ready". It's an interesting scenario. If album number 2 is still nowhere near being done, then I say push "Peter Pan" for as long and high it'll go since it's a mega-hit. I have no idea where she is in her next album process. Is she just gathering songs or is she recording?
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Post by sabre14 on Sept 7, 2016 9:56:21 GMT -5
I have no idea where she is in her next album process. Is she just gathering songs or is she recording? Kelsea started recording for her sophomore album in July.
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