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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2016 3:18:15 GMT -5
lol I was waiting for someone to add Artists of Now, Then & Forever.
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Post by Gary on Sept 30, 2016 8:07:31 GMT -5
For reference, here is the Wikipedia definition of "One Hit Wonder"
"A one-hit wonder is any entity that achieves mainstream popularity and success exactly once in its lifetime, and becomes known among the general public solely for that momentary success. The term is most commonly used in regard to music performers with only one top-40 hit single that overshadows their other work but is not limited to that field."
Just curious, what part of this definition applies to "Artists of Now, Then & Forever"???
Is it "Any entity that achieves mainstream popularity and success exactly once in its life and becomes known among the general public SOLELY for that momentary success"
Or is it the "one top 40 hit that OVERSHADOWS their other work"??
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Post by Az Paynter on Sept 30, 2016 9:13:00 GMT -5
Every time I see one of these 'OHW of X week' posts I want to beat my head against a wall. It's a persistent clusterf**k of 'did not do the research'.
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Post by musiclover7756 on Sept 30, 2016 9:21:33 GMT -5
Every time I see one of these 'OHW of X week' posts I want to beat my head against a wall. It's a persistent clusterf**k of 'did not do the research'. Tell us then, what artists that I listed aren't one hit wonders? What peak positions did I get wrong?
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Post by Gary on Sept 30, 2016 9:35:14 GMT -5
Every time I see one of these 'OHW of X week' posts I want to beat my head against a wall. It's a persistent clusterf**k of 'did not do the research'. Tell us then, what artists that I listed aren't one hit wonders? What peak positions did I get wrong? Read your Wikipedia definition again and you tell us. There is no such thing as the "one hit wonders of the week".
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Post by Az Paynter on Sept 30, 2016 9:40:37 GMT -5
I'm not contesting the peak positions, it's the artists. Artists who have only ever put out a grand total of one song (Kiiara, Ruth B) or have barely been active on the charts for a year (Troye, Alessia) are not OHW's, they're new artists. Country artists (Kelsea Ballerini, Cam) should not be considered OHW's since their genre does not operate under the same conditions as the Hot 100; Kelsea in particular is an egregious example because she's had three consecutive country #1's in what is considered a landmark achievement for a new female artist. One-off collective releases also don't fit in the OHW basket because they're not even a singular artist.
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Post by musiclover7756 on Sept 30, 2016 9:41:41 GMT -5
Tell us then, what artists that I listed aren't one hit wonders? What peak positions did I get wrong? Read your Wikipedia definition again and you tell us. There is no such thing as the "one hit wonders of the week".
Well the Wikipedia definition is what OP is referring to; I didn't start the whole "one hit wonders of the week" thing so go blame the ones who did instead of me.
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Post by Az Paynter on Sept 30, 2016 9:43:05 GMT -5
I know you didn't start it, it's just a dumb idea that didn't need continuing.
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Post by Gary on Sept 30, 2016 10:18:34 GMT -5
Exactly.
New artists with their first single are having success, not necessarily one momentary flash-in-the-pan success that they will be forever known for.
One time ensembles such as: Artists, Then, Now and Forever have hundreds of hits among them, using the language from the Wikipedia definition, "Forever Country" hardly overshadows the other work of the vocalists on that song.
I also believe the general public knows the vocalists on that song for more than just that one song.
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Post by musiclover7756 on Sept 30, 2016 10:28:53 GMT -5
I'm not contesting the peak positions, it's the artists. Artists who have only ever put out a grand total of one song (Kiiara, Ruth B) or have barely been active on the charts for a year (Troye, Alessia) are not OHW's, they're new artists. Country artists (Kelsea Ballerini, Cam) should not be considered OHW's since their genre does not operate under the same conditions as the Hot 100; Kelsea in particular is an egregious example because she's had three consecutive country #1's in what is considered a landmark achievement for a new female artist. One-off collective releases also don't fit in the OHW basket because they're not even a singular artist. Well this thread is using the same definition as the Wikipedia version, so it doesn't matter if they're new artists. Once a year has passed and they have yet to score another Top 40 single, they are added to the Wikipedia list of one-hit wonders until they get a second Top 40 single (once again, it doesn't matter if they're new artists, this is Wikipedia's standards). We're not automatically slapping the One Hit Wonder status on these artists because they've yet to get another song/Top 40 single, it's too early for that; we're predicting if these artists will become One Hit Wonders (by Wikipedia's standards at least) in the future since they haven't had another Top 40 entry yet.
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Post by Gary on Sept 30, 2016 10:40:08 GMT -5
I'm not contesting the peak positions, it's the artists. Artists who have only ever put out a grand total of one song (Kiiara, Ruth B) or have barely been active on the charts for a year (Troye, Alessia) are not OHW's, they're new artists. Country artists (Kelsea Ballerini, Cam) should not be considered OHW's since their genre does not operate under the same conditions as the Hot 100; Kelsea in particular is an egregious example because she's had three consecutive country #1's in what is considered a landmark achievement for a new female artist. One-off collective releases also don't fit in the OHW basket because they're not even a singular artist. Well this thread is using the same definition as the Wikipedia version, so it doesn't matter if they're new artists. Once a year has passed and they have yet to score another Top 40 single, they are added to the Wikipedia list of one-hit wonders until they get a second Top 40 single (once again, it doesn't matter if they're new artists, this is Wikipedia's standards). We're not automatically slapping the One Hit Wonder status on these artists because they've yet to get another song/Top 40 single, it's too early for that; we're predicting if these artists will become One Hit Wonders (by Wikipedia's standards at least) in the future since they haven't had another Top 40 entry yet. I might offer a suggestion then. Follow what they do. Read the definition a little closer as well. (Is the 'Forever Country' singers really one hit wonders based on that definition?)
You are not running predictions with your 'one hit wonders of the week' charts. There is post after post about how one artist or another has escaped one hit wonder status or could escape the status if they advance one more place. Those aren't predictions, those are saying all artists are one hit wonders until proven otherwise
It might be a better and more fruitful discussion to predict whether OMI or Gotye will remain one-hit wonders, rather than tagging 'one hit wonder' status on each new artist that comes along. It will also be easier to determine and less arguing, since some time has passed, since it will be more clear as to whether each artist that "deserves" the status.
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Post by musiclover7756 on Sept 30, 2016 10:46:44 GMT -5
Well this thread is using the same definition as the Wikipedia version, so it doesn't matter if they're new artists. Once a year has passed and they have yet to score another Top 40 single, they are added to the Wikipedia list of one-hit wonders until they get a second Top 40 single (once again, it doesn't matter if they're new artists, this is Wikipedia's standards). We're not automatically slapping the One Hit Wonder status on these artists because they've yet to get another song/Top 40 single, it's too early for that; we're predicting if these artists will become One Hit Wonders (by Wikipedia's standards at least) in the future since they haven't had another Top 40 entry yet. I might offer a suggestion then. Follow what they do.Β Read the definition a little closer as well. (Is the 'Forever Country' singers really one hit wonders based on that definition?)
Β You are not running predictions with your 'one hit wonders of the week' charts.Β Β There is post after post about how one artist or another has escaped one hit wonder status or could escape the status if they advance one more place.Β Those aren't predictions, those are saying all artists are one hit wonders until proven otherwise
It might be a better and more fruitful discussion to predict whether OMI or Gotye will remain one-hit wonders, rather than tagging 'one hit wonder' status on each new artist that comes along.Β Β Β It will also be easier to determine and less arguing, since some time has passed, since it will be more clear as to whether each artist that "deserves" the status.
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It doesn't matter if none of the artists in Artists Then And Now, And Forever aren't OHW's. They were credited as a group, and the credited group itself is new to the Hot 100 and this is the group's first Top 40 entry.
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Post by Gary on Sept 30, 2016 10:53:29 GMT -5
I might offer a suggestion then. Follow what they do. Read the definition a little closer as well. (Is the 'Forever Country' singers really one hit wonders based on that definition?)
You are not running predictions with your 'one hit wonders of the week' charts. There is post after post about how one artist or another has escaped one hit wonder status or could escape the status if they advance one more place. Those aren't predictions, those are saying all artists are one hit wonders until proven otherwise
It might be a better and more fruitful discussion to predict whether OMI or Gotye will remain one-hit wonders, rather than tagging 'one hit wonder' status on each new artist that comes along. It will also be easier to determine and less arguing, since some time has passed, since it will be more clear as to whether each artist that "deserves" the status.
It doesn't matter if none of the artists in Artists Then And Now, And Forever aren't OHW's. They were credited as a group, and the credited group itself is new to the Hot 100 and this is the group's first Top 40 entry. Per the definition, since they are one-hit wonders, they have one top 40 hit that overshadows their other work? Does this song overshadow the hundreds of others songs put out by these artists in your opinion? or does the general public know these artists SOLELY from this song?
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Post by jtd Thee Stallion on Sept 30, 2016 11:08:36 GMT -5
ugh.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Sept 30, 2016 11:08:40 GMT -5
Does that mean Artists Stand Up To Cancer is a one hit wonder?
Lmao!! I'm done
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Post by musiclover7756 on Sept 30, 2016 11:50:18 GMT -5
Does that mean Artists Stand Up To Cancer is a one hit wonder? Lmao!! I'm done Yes go to the Wikipedia one hit wonders of the 2000's list.
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Post by Gary on Sept 30, 2016 12:34:23 GMT -5
Does that mean Artists Stand Up To Cancer is a one hit wonder? Lmao!! I'm done Yes go to the Wikipedia one hit wonders of the 2000's list. In your own words, what do you think this means? Here is the Wikipedia definition of "One Hit Wonder" "A one-hit wonder is any entity that achieves mainstream popularity and success exactly once in its lifetime, and becomes known among the general public solely for that momentary success. The term is most commonly used in regard to music performers with only one top-40 hit single that overshadows their other work but is not limited to that field." I ask, because the definition you are swearing by, would seem to have some room for judgment and would certainly not apply to brand new artists (from the word "lifetime" - one week is not a lifetime) Ensemble acts, seem to not fit either because they are known for things beyond that "sole monetary success"
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Post by Leo β on Sept 30, 2016 17:58:18 GMT -5
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Post by Az Paynter on Sept 30, 2016 18:26:26 GMT -5
What gets me so much about this thread (and all the other ones) is the same group of people arguing over who's a OHW or nor is taking one rigid definition and deciding 'y'know what f**k context'.
This is legit one area which can really only be taken by a case-by-case basis and there's a number of questions that should be asked in order to ascertain true OHW status. Something like this:
1) How long has the artist been around? If they haven't been around very long, probably not a OHW. If they have, proceed to Q2.
2) What is the first song that people think of when you mention artist's name? If there's one big hit that everyone names, they might be a OHW. For further inquiry refer to Q3.
3) Has the artist released more than one single in their career? If they've only released one, too soon to declare OHW status. If they've released more, proceed to Q4.
4) Do people remember other singles by the artist (if applicable)? If the answer is yes, OHW status is questionable. If the answer is no, OHW status is likely.
Special exceptions: Country artists (genre plays by its own rules) and various-artists singles (one-off entities existing purely for the one release, not to mention ALL the numerous hits the artists in that ensemble may already have to their names).
Did I miss anything?
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Oct 1, 2016 0:32:00 GMT -5
MARK MY WORDS. WIKIPEDIA IS THE COMPLETELY TRUTH. NO MORE. Thanks Actually. I'm the completely truth but thanks for trying.
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Post by Leo β on Oct 1, 2016 1:02:11 GMT -5
MARK MY WORDS. WIKIPEDIA IS THE COMPLETELY TRUTH. NO MORE. Thanks Actually. I'm the completely truth but thanks for trying. It was a sarcasm
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Post by musiclover7756 on Oct 1, 2016 1:02:36 GMT -5
Gary I don't think the artists in Artists Of Then And Now, And Forever are one hit wonders, so they definitely don't fit Wikipedia's words. However, the credited group's only Top 40 hit by that credited name is "Forever Country". So therefore Artists Of Then and Now, and Forever are one-hit wonders (only as the group though).
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Post by Leo β on Oct 1, 2016 1:03:22 GMT -5
Gary I don't think the artists in Artists Of Then And Now, And Forever are one hit wonders, so they definitely don't fit Wikipedia's words. However, the credited group's only Top 40 hit by that credited name is "Forever Country". So therefore Artists Of Then and Now, and Forever are one-hit wonders (only as the group though). //_o"
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Post by matteeeb on Oct 1, 2016 1:09:25 GMT -5
Gary I don't think the artists in Artists Of Then And Now, And Forever are one hit wonders, so they definitely don't fit Wikipedia's words. However, the credited group's only Top 40 hit by that credited name is "Forever Country". So therefore Artists Of Then and Now, and Forever are one-hit wonders (only as the group though).
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Post by Az Paynter on Oct 1, 2016 5:20:23 GMT -5
GTFO with your circular logic.
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Post by Gary on Oct 1, 2016 8:32:38 GMT -5
Gary I don't think the artists in Artists Of Then And Now, And Forever are one hit wonders, so they definitely don't fit Wikipedia's words. However, the credited group's only Top 40 hit by that credited name is "Forever Country". So therefore Artists Of Then and Now, and Forever are one-hit wonders (only as the group though). I think you continually miss the spirit of what a 'one hit wonder' is. Based on your interpretation of a book written 20 years ago (the same book cited by your favorite site), anything making the top 40 of the Hot 100 is a "hit", anything else is not. And anything and everything is a 'one hit wonder' on week 1 of their first single until proven otherwise What you continually fail to do is apply judgment. Top 40 even 20 years ago was simply a guide and not meant to be taken literally. It is an imperfect statistical measure that even some sources acknowledged had flaws. The Grateful Dead, a non-singles group that just happened to have a pop hit in the 1980s is a widely acknowledged exception. Garth Brooks should certainly be another. To say that Garth Brooks has had only one hit because on a whim, he decided to release a pop single is ridiculous. A typical one-hit wonder would be an artist that records an album, releases a single or singles but only one becomes a hit. Then after then after the passage of time, is never able to get another hit. They become known in the music world for ONLY that hit and nothing else. Artists, Then Now & Forever containing decades of top country music artists should be obvious to anyone that this is not a one-hit wonder. True, they are unlikely to release a bunch of singles under that name BUT the artists singing on the song will hardly be known for JUST that song. (Dolly Parton, for example, has a few other hits) We are also missing the passage of time here. The single has just come out. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A ONE-HIT WONDER OF THE WEEK. #40 on the Hot 100 being a hit and nothing else requires judgement too. Also what top 40 is today is completely different than 1997. Radio is much more fragmented, the Hot 100 airplay chart covers everything now (it did not then) In an era where you can sell 1 million plus copies of a single without even charting, the definition of "hit" should be obvious that it is not the same as it was in 1997 when the book was written. Anyway, please carry on. I look forward to the next edition of the 'one hit wonders of the week".
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Post by redrooster on Oct 2, 2016 2:33:52 GMT -5
Buckley just said that G-Eazy is "soon to be forgotten." You guys are mad.
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Post by Az Paynter on Oct 2, 2016 11:43:41 GMT -5
And we care what one random YouTube comedian says because...?
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Post by redrooster on Oct 2, 2016 12:32:50 GMT -5
And we care what one random YouTube comedian says because...? Because most of Pulse stans for G-Eazy, Zara and Alessia.
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Post by Az Paynter on Oct 2, 2016 13:04:32 GMT -5
It's one random person on the internet that most of Pulse isn't checking for. I reiterate: we care because...?
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