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Post by .indulgecountry on Mar 29, 2016 15:27:32 GMT -5
Carrie has gone all out in the past on videos and spared no expense. Now though if you notice, the songs aren't selling as well. I haven't been paying close attention but I'm not sure Smoke Break or HeartBeat either one is platinum. This might play into the video treatment for this single. Just a thought. Well, to be fair, the videos for Smoke Break and Heartbeat are anything but stellar. Both of them have zero replay value and there is absolutely nothing memorable about them. And that definitely factored their performances on the charts (especially streaming-wise). If anything, this was the single that needed the good visuals. I feel like this will be yet another average-performing single this era, especially with the live video (they often have absolutely no replay value). Also, the fact that she is on tour makes me wonder if she's going to promote this one well...She has the ACMs and American Idol to perform this, so she'll have some pretty high profile promo spots for this. As for the videos for the first two singles, I agree that the "Heartbeat" one was lackluster. It had potential but they made it boring by having it go nowhere and there being little change throughout the entire video. But I thought the "Smoke Break" video was a great aesthetic honestly, and it at least had a semblance of a plot to it and there was more interesting visuals from the landscape and venues to the wardrobe, etc.
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Post by Elusive Chanteuse on Mar 29, 2016 16:03:03 GMT -5
Well, to be fair, the videos for Smoke Break and Heartbeat are anything but stellar. Both of them have zero replay value and there is absolutely nothing memorable about them. And that definitely factored their performances on the charts (especially streaming-wise). If anything, this was the single that needed the good visuals. I feel like this will be yet another average-performing single this era, especially with the live video (they often have absolutely no replay value). Also, the fact that she is on tour makes me wonder if she's going to promote this one well...She has the ACMs and American Idol to perform this, so she'll have some pretty high profile promo spots for this. As for the videos for the first two singles, I agree that the "Heartbeat" one was lackluster. It had potential but they made it boring by having it go nowhere and there being little change throughout the entire video. But I thought the "Smoke Break" video was a great aesthetic honestly, and it at least had a semblance of a plot to it and there was more interesting visuals from the landscape and venues to the wardrobe, etc. Oh, she's performing on ACMs and American Idol?! Never mind then! And yes, I thought Smoke Break had a nice video but she needed something captivating or something that had replay value. This era has thus far produced nothing that made people stream her songs or watch her videos. I thought with Church Bells being the third single, they'd be able to change that and finally captivate people because lyrically, this is so visual. But since this is getting a live video, streaming for this one will be subpar as well, which is unfortunate because the era has felt lackluster (nothing has really stood out compared to the previous eras). It's just a tad disappointing because I know Carrie is capable of providing us with good videos and which she did for the last two eras (BA and GH)!
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Post by sgtoddball on Mar 29, 2016 16:28:56 GMT -5
Carrie has gone all out in the past on videos and spared no expense. Now though if you notice, the songs aren't selling as well. I haven't been paying close attention but I'm not sure Smoke Break or HeartBeat either one is platinum. This might play into the video treatment for this single. Just a thought. I don't think there is any correlation, because the "Smoke Break" and "Heartbeat" videos were filmed either before or very early in the chart run, so her label wouldn't know how much they sold while making the videos. Exactly what I am talking about. They now know both singles were radio hits but they weren't big time sales smashes like BHC, Blown Away, Good Girl etc. So maybe they aren't putting a ton of money in this video. This is the first era I remember when the lead single and 2nd single weren't platinum hits by time the finished their radio run. Yeah I know sales are down but the biggest hits in the Genre are still hitting platinum. Just not that many of them as in the past.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 18:22:52 GMT -5
I don't think there is any correlation, because the "Smoke Break" and "Heartbeat" videos were filmed either before or very early in the chart run, so her label wouldn't know how much they sold while making the videos. Exactly what I am talking about. They now know both singles were radio hits but they weren't big time sales smashes like BHC, Blown Away, Good Girl etc. So maybe they aren't putting a ton of money in this video. This is the first era I remember when the lead single and 2nd single weren't platinum hits by time the finished their radio run. Yeah I know sales are down but the biggest hits in the Genre are still hitting platinum. Just not that many of them as in the past. I thought you meant that they made lower quality videos for "Smoke Break" and "Heartbeat" because they weren't big sellers. Did I misinterpret? Because surely the lesser videos for the two singles couldn't possibly be because of lower sales that hadn't happened yet.
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Post by ant on Mar 29, 2016 20:34:51 GMT -5
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Post by pnobelysk on Mar 29, 2016 21:23:41 GMT -5
Carrie has gone all out in the past on videos and spared no expense. Now though if you notice, the songs aren't selling as well. I haven't been paying close attention but I'm not sure Smoke Break or HeartBeat either one is platinum. This might play into the video treatment for this single. Just a thought. Smoke break is around 430k Heartbeat is around 250k
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Mar 29, 2016 21:56:52 GMT -5
I don't think there is any correlation, because the "Smoke Break" and "Heartbeat" videos were filmed either before or very early in the chart run, so her label wouldn't know how much they sold while making the videos. Exactly what I am talking about. They now know both singles were radio hits but they weren't big time sales smashes like BHC, Blown Away, Good Girl etc. All of which were either the biggest country sellers of the year or close. At this point in her career and with the market having shifted as much as it has, I'm not sure it's a reasonable expectation to look for Carrie to deliver that with every single she releases, especially since it seems to me that the first two singles were deliberately chosen to not be her typical "event" singles. Not that it's impossible or that it wouldn't be to Storyteller's benefit if she did score a blockbuster. But making that the default expectation takes for granted what she has been able to do for ten years. This is the first era I remember when the lead single and 2nd single weren't platinum hits by time the finished their radio run. Yeah I know sales are down but the biggest hits in the Genre are still hitting platinum. Just not that many of them as in the past. So just to be clear, the standard that we're applying is that neither "Smoke Break" nor "Heartbeat" were "Burning House"/"Die a Happy Man"-level hits. This is correct, of course. Since Apple Music debuted streaming in July, the biggest of big country hits are *just* going platinum. So we've established that "Smoke Break" and "Heartbeat" were not blockbusters, though they did sell near the top of the market during their respective runs and simply didn't have time to accumulate bigger sales because of their relatively quick radio runs. But since the last time Carrie had a blockbuster hit was a whole year ago, suddenly the budget no longer allows for ambitious videos, because for Carrie, the video budget is either blockbuster or bust? You have said multiple times that you expect no platinum singles from Storyteller, no career-defining hit nor a platinum album, etc. Anything short of lapping the rest of the market in a time when the market itself is clearly in transition is grounds for declaring the budget slashed and the album and singles underperformers. From a rhetorical standpoint, that feels like setting the project up to be a failure even if it does well, which both the album and singles have so far. I think that budgets are determined more rationally than that. It's not that I don't think budget cutbacks are a possible factor. In fact, I specifically cited a general cost-cutting atmosphere under the new Sony Nashville regime in this post in the Storyteller thread in the General Artists, A-J Discussion forum. On the other hand, there has clearly been some investment in promoting Carrie over in the UK and that money presumably had to come from somewhere. There are other possible explanations ( mentioned by various posters here) that we could see materialize down the road also. So we'll see. But personally, I don't think that video decision for "Church Bells" had much of anything to do with the first two singles. Carrie has gone all out in the past on videos and spared no expense. Now though if you notice, the songs aren't selling as well. I haven't been paying close attention but I'm not sure Smoke Break or HeartBeat either one is platinum. This might play into the video treatment for this single. Just a thought. Smoke break is around 430k Heartbeat is around 250k According to Roughstock's latest numbers, "Heartbeat" had sold 309K copies through 24 March 2016. ETA: While it seems like a reasonable expectation that Carrie will perform "Church Bells" this Sunday on the ACMs, do we really think she'll perform such a dark song on the celebratory, nostalgic, last-ever Idol finale?
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Post by bornfearless2000 on Mar 30, 2016 4:13:00 GMT -5
Carrie has gone all out in the past on videos and spared no expense. Now though if you notice, the songs aren't selling as well. I haven't been paying close attention but I'm not sure Smoke Break or HeartBeat either one is platinum. This might play into the video treatment for this single. Just a thought. Smoke break is around 430k Heartbeat is around 250k Heartbeat is around 290k now..
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Post by sgtoddball on Mar 30, 2016 7:51:20 GMT -5
All of which were either the biggest country sellers of the year or close. At this point in her career and with the market having shifted as much as it has, I'm not sure it's a reasonable expectation to look for Carrie to deliver that with every single she releases, especially since it seems to me that the first two singles were deliberately chosen to not be her typical "event" singles. Not that it's impossible or that it wouldn't be to Storyteller's benefit if she did score a blockbuster. But making that the default expectation takes for granted what she has been able to do for ten years. So just to be clear, the standard that we're applying is that neither "Smoke Break" nor "Heartbeat" were "Burning House"/"Die a Happy Man"-level hits. This is correct, of course. Since Apple Music debuted streaming in July, the biggest of big country hits are *just* going platinum. So we've established that "Smoke Break" and "Heartbeat" were not blockbusters, though they did sell near the top of the market during their respective runs and simply didn't have time to accumulate bigger sales because of their relatively quick radio runs. But since the last time Carrie had a blockbuster hit was a whole year ago, suddenly the budget no longer allows for ambitious videos, because for Carrie, the video budget is either blockbuster or bust? You have said multiple times that you expect no platinum singles from Storyteller, no career-defining hit nor a platinum album, etc. Anything short of lapping the rest of the market in a time when the market itself is clearly in transition is grounds for declaring the budget slashed and the album and singles underperformers. From a rhetorical standpoint, that feels like setting the project up to be a failure even if it does well, which both the album and singles have so far. I think that budgets are determined more rationally than that. It's not that I don't think budget cutbacks are a possible factor. In fact, I specifically cited a general cost-cutting atmosphere under the new Sony Nashville regime in this post in the Storyteller thread in the General Artists, A-J Discussion forum. On the other hand, there has clearly been some investment in promoting Carrie over in the UK and that money presumably had to come from somewhere. There are other possible explanations ( mentioned by various posters here) that we could see materialize down the road also. So we'll see. But personally, I don't think that video decision for "Church Bells" had much of anything to do with the first two singles. According to Roughstock's latest numbers, "Heartbeat" had sold 309K copies through 24 March 2016. ETA: While it seems like a reasonable expectation that Carrie will perform "Church Bells" this Sunday on the ACMs, do we really think she'll perform such a dark song on the celebratory, nostalgic, last-ever Idol finale
I said multiple times I don't expect anything from the Album nor the Album itself to be platinum? Really? I definitely have said I don't think the singles are better than her past singles so far and I have pointed out I feel like her sales have dropped off even given the current times when that applies to everyone. Any other A list Artist is compared the same way. Fla-Ga line hasn't sold as well, Jason Aldean hasn't sold as well etc etc. I don't think any of them are putting out music better than they have in the past either. We'll just have to disagree about the video treatment for Church Bells. I do think it's related to poor sales of the first 2 singles.
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Post by mc54 on Mar 30, 2016 9:12:52 GMT -5
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Post by Gray. on Mar 30, 2016 9:45:20 GMT -5
Easily the best single she's released this era but still not the best choice from the album.
To echo some of the other sentiments here, "Two Black Cadillacs" did "murder narrative in a country song" better. As long as "Dirty Laundry" (or maybe even "Relapse"?!) comes next, I'm fine with this.
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Post by desertfloods on Mar 30, 2016 9:48:20 GMT -5
Since we are not getting any epic video for this, I hope we at least get a more elaborate performance at the ACMs. This song really does deserve some visuals.
I kinda doubt that Carrie will sing this on Idol as well. Am thinking she might do a medley or sing one of her famed Idol songs instead.
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Post by jenglisbe on Mar 30, 2016 9:55:22 GMT -5
The theme to this song fits well with the book (that's going to be an HBO mini-series) Big Little Lies. It would be cool if HBO used "CB" in their promos or something.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 10:19:27 GMT -5
"Church Bells" is a great single choice, but without an epic video, Artista might as well have ignored this and went with RR/DL instead.
"Storyteller" has so much potential, I absolutely don't understand how or why they're squandering it so easily.
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Post by brinkeronline on Mar 30, 2016 16:18:49 GMT -5
Idol needs Carrie more than Carrie needs Idol at this point, so I'm guessing Sony leveraged to have Carrie perform Church Bells on the finale.
Whether she'll do something else medley style/with other alums, is another question.
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Post by musicfan134 on Mar 30, 2016 17:38:57 GMT -5
^Um there's no way, NO WAY, Carrie would've missed performing at the Idol finale. She is arguably the shows biggest supporter and has always thanked them for helping her launch into her career. I promise you she would be there no matter what--even if Idol didn't ask her to perform, she still would've attended.
I don't think she'll do CB either. What if she did Alone? :'( Or IYH maybe?
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Post by Gabe on Mar 30, 2016 21:36:16 GMT -5
There's a preview of the music video on her Facebook page. Doesn't look like it's going to be a live video...
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Post by matty005 on Mar 30, 2016 21:49:21 GMT -5
There's a preview of the music video on her Facebook page. Doesn't look like it's going to be a live video... I hope you're right, but I see no mention that that clip is a video. I see it more as promoting the single. (I hope I'm wrong).
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Post by carrieidol1 on Mar 30, 2016 21:52:25 GMT -5
There's a preview of the music video on her Facebook page. Doesn't look like it's going to be a live video... That's footage from the photo shoot for the single cover. I can see why the Facebook post is misleading, but Carrie confirmed it would be a live video the other night at her concert when they filmed it.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Mar 30, 2016 22:06:33 GMT -5
That's too bad because the photo shoot setting and her look are totally on-point.
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Post by JACKIE on Mar 30, 2016 22:23:31 GMT -5
^Um there's no way, NO WAY, Carrie would've missed performing at the Idol finale. She is arguably the shows biggest supporter and has always thanked them for helping her launch into her career. I promise you she would be there no matter what--even if Idol didn't ask her to perform, she still would've attended. I don't think she'll do CB either. What if she did Alone? :'( Or IYH maybe? I would think she is going to do a big medley of her hits, just like Kelly.
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Post by JACKIE on Mar 30, 2016 22:25:40 GMT -5
What's the big deal about CB video?
I mean videos barely matter at all anymore (unless you are lucky and something about it is so cool or special and irlt goes viral) Carrie videos don't have very high youtube views anyway.
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Post by maddkat on Mar 31, 2016 5:51:41 GMT -5
^Um there's no way, NO WAY, Carrie would've missed performing at the Idol finale. She is arguably the shows biggest supporter and has always thanked them for helping her launch into her career. I promise you she would be there no matter what--even if Idol didn't ask her to perform, she still would've attended. I don't think she'll do CB either. What if she did Alone? :'( Or IYH maybe? I would so love her to do Alone!She'll have just done CB on the ACMs so maybe?
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Post by ant on Mar 31, 2016 7:39:56 GMT -5
Yeah, I thought that Facebook post was from a video shoot as well, but then I realized it was from the album photo shoot. But it would be nice if there is still a proper video with the live shots in between some of the scenes.
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Post by ILLUSION on Mar 31, 2016 21:07:42 GMT -5
Wow, the chorus of this is really pop. Not crazy about this as a single choice, especially coming after Heartbeat
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Post by Marv on Mar 31, 2016 23:06:35 GMT -5
Although AI isn't the ratings powerhouse it was five years ago, but I hav no problem with her decision to sing this on that show, and I'm really looking forward to seeing her on Sunday evening.
Finally heard this on the radio tonight on Y100/San Antonio, and it sounds terrific.
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Post by Kurt on Apr 1, 2016 9:11:12 GMT -5
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Post by ILLUSION on Apr 1, 2016 9:17:44 GMT -5
Interesting image they are giving her this era. IDK, something about that screams "Miranda Lambert" when I looked at that single cover.
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Post by Massikur2 on Apr 1, 2016 9:55:43 GMT -5
Interesting image they are giving her this era. IDK, something about that screams "Miranda Lambert" when I looked at that single cover. I think the image on the "Church Bells" single promo is similar to how she was depicted on the Blown Away cover, just washed in different hues.
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Post by brinkeronline on Apr 1, 2016 13:57:45 GMT -5
Although AI isn't the ratings powerhouse it was five years ago, but I hav no problem with her decision to sing this on that show, and I'm really looking forward to seeing her on Sunday evening. Finally heard this on the radio tonight on Y100/San Antonio, and it sounds terrific. FINALLY?! It takes a good two months to finally hear a 'new' Carrie song in Minneapolis. Basically when it hits Top 15, they play it here.
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