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Post by .indulgecountry on Jun 3, 2016 13:04:02 GMT -5
1) You were though. By suggesting you wished artist x, y, or z would be on a track that is a duet instead of Elle King, then that's pretty much exactly what you were insinuating, lol. 2) It didn't seem like you did, because it's a bit odd to me to hear someone suggest Maren Morris be a duet partner on this song when he literally just featured her on another song on the album. Maybe a better way of putting it would be to suggest "I'll Be the Moon" be released instead. 3) That's fine and dandy if that's your personal preference, but being bothered he didn't showcase a more mainstream country female because he picked a "Pop singer" is a bit shortsighted for a few reasons, one being that Elle King is hardly a "Pop singer." If you think the song would've been better with someone else singing it, then that's of course your prerogative, but spinning it like Dierks was doing some disservice to country women by featuring someone like Elle King seems like a stretch to me is all. Waste of time if you are going take someone's words out of context and then laugh at them ("LOL"). "Somewhere On A Beach" was awful and hard to listen too, and so is "Different For Girls", IMO. Dierks still should have picked someone like Maren Morris for this track. Elle King has "Pop Singer" written all over her. Have you listened to "America's Sweetheart" and "Ex's & Oh's" they sound like Pop music to me, "LOL". Both those tracks are played on the popular radio stations where I live. If Elle King is not Popular music then George Strait is not country, it's pretty simple, "LOL". It's obvious that Dierks is trying to get to the Luke Bryan, FLG level and he knows he can't make songs like "Home", "Riser" or even "I Hold On" and get to the "next level". I get it, doesn't mean I have to like it. If I was trying to broaden my fan base I probably would pick a "Pop" singer too. Elle King.... isn't Rob Schneider her dad, and wasn't Elle King in Deuce Bigalow: Male Gigolo? Now this is a spot for a well placed "LOL". Apparently engaging you in a conversation that doesn't consist of someone patting you on the back for eviscerating the state of country music is a "waste of time," so fret no more, I'm officially done entertaining your presence in this discussion. Something also tells me you aren't nearly as funny as you seem to think you are. Don't quit your day job, "LOL." *me flying away from the BS*
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Post by Kentucky25 on Jun 3, 2016 13:52:13 GMT -5
Everyone's having fun there! Passionate discussion...hehe.
For all the Dierks fans (I know we have many) he is on the "Walking the Floor with Chris Shiflett" podcast from May 23rd. They discuss life on the road, Nashville and the changes Dierks has seen in the city, and "Black". Good stuff, just recently found the podcast and there are quite a few country artist's interviewed (Merle Haggard, Dwight Yoakam, Sturgill Simpson, and Brad Paisley...he's also got an upcoming interview with Jason Isbell), great stuff for fans! There is a lot of discussion of how "Black" was formed and the aspects of a concept album.
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 5, 2016 11:33:59 GMT -5
This song went from #37 on the Mediabase rolling chart on Thursday, all the way out of the top 50 on Friday. It's 8th day losses looked to be roughly 800 spins and 6.0 million in audience. Dierks looks to drop 11 spots to #49 on Mediabase this week.
Quite the 8th day hangover.
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Post by dm2081 on Jun 5, 2016 12:08:46 GMT -5
I've noticed radio has been very slow to drop "Somewhere On A Beach" from high rotation. Some of the losses have been pretty minimal. I could see this one starting off a little slower because of that and the fact it's a little slower in tempo.
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Post by josephmorgan on Jun 5, 2016 15:17:42 GMT -5
For those of you who haven't listened to CT40 yet, Bob pronounces Elle's name as Elly, as in Elly Mae Clampett.
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Post by rsmatto on Jun 5, 2016 19:21:32 GMT -5
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Post by dgarcia3377 on Jun 6, 2016 19:39:01 GMT -5
The more I hear this song, the more I want to put it on repeat.
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Post by onebuffalo on Jun 7, 2016 17:27:12 GMT -5
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 13, 2016 22:46:45 GMT -5
"Freedom" was suppose to be the next single off Black until a last minute change of heart for "Different For Girls." From Billboard tonight:
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Post by brinkeronline on Jun 13, 2016 22:49:28 GMT -5
I keep wanting to like Dierks more than I do. Everything he does is just okay to me.
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Post by austin on Jun 15, 2016 14:00:58 GMT -5
Glad to know "Freedom" was in the running, as that would be my choice for the third single.
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Post by straitouttanashville on Jun 16, 2016 1:22:29 GMT -5
This song went from #37 on the Mediabase rolling chart on Thursday, all the way out of the top 50 on Friday. It's 8th day losses looked to be roughly 800 spins and 6.0 million in audience. Dierks looks to drop 11 spots to #49 on Mediabase this week. Quite the 8th day hangover. Is this a bad sign for "DFG"? Or is this just a small bump in the road on the way to another number 1?
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Post by bboat11 on Jun 16, 2016 4:10:19 GMT -5
This song went from #37 on the Mediabase rolling chart on Thursday, all the way out of the top 50 on Friday. It's 8th day losses looked to be roughly 800 spins and 6.0 million in audience. Dierks looks to drop 11 spots to #49 on Mediabase this week. Quite the 8th day hangover. Is this a bad sign for "DFG"? Or is this just a small bump in the road on the way to another number 1? Hold on, let me consult the future for a second. In all seriousness, this song just came out, and Dierks is a big-name artist who is very hot right now. I bet the "bump in the road on the way to another #1" theory is more likely. Besides, sabre14's post was like 10 days ago! This week Dierks is up to #32 on both Mediabase and Billboard's published charts. I don't pay attention to daily updates to know how large his bullet has been on average or anything, but it seems to me he is moving in the right direction :)
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Post by carriekins on Jun 16, 2016 6:36:52 GMT -5
Is this a bad sign for "DFG"? Or is this just a small bump in the road on the way to another number 1? Hold on, let me consult the future for a second. In all seriousness, this song just came out, and Dierks is a big-name artist who is very hot right now. I bet the "bump in the road on the way to another #1" theory is more likely. Besides, sabre14's post was like 10 days ago! This week Dierks is up to #32 on both Mediabase and Billboard's published charts. I don't pay attention to daily updates to know how large his bullet has been on average or anything, but it seems to me he is moving in the right direction :) Yes, it has rebounded quite well after its hangover effect. It is #31 on the rolling MB chart and should easily move into the top 30 this week. It has also stayed in the top 50 on the iTunes all genre chart basically since its release, so this is selling well, too. I can't recall the last time a second or third Dierks single was top 30 after only four weeks, especially coming on the heels of a monster previous single such as SOAB. They typically toil in the 40s and 30s for roughly 10 weeks while they wait for the previous single's recurrent play to die down before they start moving. We saw this with Drunk on a Plane and Say You Do, and obviously both of those songs' heavy recurrent play had something to do with Riser moving as molasses in winter slowly as it did. Anyway, the point is, radio seems willing to keep SOAB at top 10 airplay levels while also giving DFG a running start. I'm sure this won't go up as quickly as SOAB did, but I also can't see it being a 26-30 week climb like the Riser singles averaged. No complaints here.
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Post by straitouttanashville on Jun 16, 2016 9:19:25 GMT -5
It seems like "DFG" is going to be a smash hit peaking right after summer in fall. I hear "DFG" 3 or 4 times a day on the radio out where I live. I'd be surprised if this didn't hit #1 at some point.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2016 9:47:16 GMT -5
This song went from #37 on the Mediabase rolling chart on Thursday, all the way out of the top 50 on Friday. It's 8th day losses looked to be roughly 800 spins and 6.0 million in audience. Dierks looks to drop 11 spots to #49 on Mediabase this week. Quite the 8th day hangover. Is this a bad sign for "DFG"? Or is this just a small bump in the road on the way to another number 1? The reason that this one had a decrease at the beginning of the month is because it received hourly airplay on its first day at radio, which means that its 8th day update was negative. The Mediabase chart is a "rolling" chart -- I'll post Dierks' daily updates below to show what I mean by "rolling", and also because it should make it easier to see how this one is trending. 05/27: +1022 spins, +7.582 million in audience (1st day at radio was May 26, and Dierks got hourly spins from iHeartMedia stations, resulting in this huge 1st day update) 05/28: +49 spins, +276k audience 05/29: +44 spins, +173k audience 05/30: +26 spins, +244k audience 05/31: +56 spins, +539k audience 06/01: +49 spins, +345k audience 06/02: +72 spins, +455k audience 06/03: DFG fell from #37 all the way out of the top 50. This is because the Mediabase chart always reflects the previous 7 days, and so on June 3, it was reflecting airplay from May 27 through June 2...which means that Dierks' huge 1st day update (from airplay on May 26) was no longer included in his 7-day total. This illustrates what we mean when we say "rolling" chart. I don't know exactly how much Dierks lost in the 06/03 update (because he dropped below #50, we couldn't see how big his decrease was), but he probably lost 900+ of his 1st day spins and about 7 million audience. Dierks moved back into the top 50 on June 5. His updates since then: 06/06: +113 spins, +880k audience (total audience here was 4.575 million) 06/07: +91 spins, +459k audience 06/08: +118 spins, +711k audience 06/09: +92 spins, +719k audience 06/10: +170 spins, +903k audience 06/11: +67 spins, +458k audience 06/12: +113 spins, +848k audience 06/13: +69 spins, +315k audience 06/14: +97 spins, +735k audience 06/15: +98 spins, +788k audience 06/16: +49 spins, +413k audience (total audience as of this morning is 10.924 million) So, yeah, Dierks is moving up very quickly, and I wouldn't even call what happened on June 3 a "bump in the road". It's what always happens when a song gets a massive debut due to hourly spins from iHeartMedia stations on that song's 1st day at radio. The 8th day will always be negative, but after that it starts gaining again.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Jun 16, 2016 10:37:59 GMT -5
I was glad to read Shane McAnally and J.T. Harding's points of view in writing "Different for Girls" in this week's "Makin' Tracks" column in Billboard Country Update, but then, I never doubted that their intention was to be admiring of a female's willingness to face heartache head-on in the song. I think the song would have come off as less of an anachronism, though, if they had stuck to the individual story of the verses and not gone for the general commentary of the chorus, or maybe presented the general commentary as being the perspective of either the "she" of the verses or someone observing her (as J.T. Harding was observing the woman who inspired the song). I'm a bit puzzled by Dierks' characterization of "Different for Girls" as such a "risk" as a single. Yes, it's different from "Somewhere on a Beach," but it doesn't strike me as a risk in the current radio climate, especially as nearly all of the male artists known for party jams have aimed for more sensitive follow-ups. I know that Dierks has seen songs like "Bourbon in Kentucky" and "Riser" not land, but "Riser" was effectively yanked for a new lead single, and both of those songs struck me as much bigger risks relative to the climate than "Different for Girls" does now. And while the lyrics of "Different for Girls" have provoked some debate, it doesn't seem to me that that's what Dierks or Ross Copperman were anticipating in characterizing the single as a risk (they seem to be thinking more about the summer and party jams). To be fair, there was that Billboard Country Update article in which programmers were complaining about all the downtempo songs for summer, but doesn't that in some way just underscore how on-trend something that sounds like "Different for Girls" is?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2016 10:50:58 GMT -5
I'd really like this song, if it didn't play to stereotypes about guys/girls about breakups when it's simply not true I think their voices mesh very well like Elle King is a gifted vocalist that sounds great next to Dierks. I just wish this wasn't similar to "God Made Girls" and "Real Men Love Jesus" or am I the only one that sees it that way?
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Post by phil1996 on Jun 16, 2016 12:45:05 GMT -5
I keep wanting to like Dierks more than I do. Everything he does is just okay to me. Yeah this is how I feel. I love a few of his songs but there's just something that doesn't click for me. Though I do respect him as an artist, and will take him over most of the superstars of the genre. I'm glad that he at least attempts to change it up a little (cough, aldean, cough)
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Post by zaclord 🌈 on Jun 17, 2016 9:04:01 GMT -5
I'd really like this song, if it didn't play to stereotypes about guys/girls about breakups when it's simply not true I think their voices mesh very well like Elle King is a gifted vocalist that sounds great next to Dierks. I just wish this wasn't similar to "God Made Girls" and "Real Men Love Jesus" or am I the only one that sees it that way? I think the big difference between this song and the other two are that this song is just highlighting the differences of how men and women typically deal with breakups, which I would say is fairly accurate. Are they stereotyping? Sure they are. But I don't feel like this song is pushing the idea that men have to hook up, get drunk off whiskey, and suppress their feelings when they get dumped. The main purpose of this song is to highlight the differences between men and women after a break up, unlike "Real Men Love Jesus" and to a lesser extent "God Made Girls" that seem to suggest that only real men love these certain things and girls were made for only these specific purposes. Truthfully, every single person on earth deals with break ups differently, but it wouldn't be a very good song if it was called "Different for Everyone". So while it does stereotype men and women a little bit, I don't think it's pushing a specific agenda of do's and don't's like these other two songs. Also, the melody, instrumentation, and blending of Elle's and Dierks's voices are stellar on this song, so I'm much more willing to forgive DFG than RMLJ or GMG for that reason alone.
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Post by dajross6 on Jun 17, 2016 9:17:37 GMT -5
I really like this song, but my wife and sister-in-law absolute hate it due to how sexist it is. I have a really hard time trying to put myself in their shoes, but I've heard 4-5 people now say "that's now how women think at all and it's terrible that the stereotype is trying to be spread in that way". Not being female, I'm not sure if it's bigger than what I'm imagining, but that thought definitely exists. The production and vocals are outstanding and I want to put this on repeat, just not around most of the women in my life :)
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Post by carriekins on Jun 17, 2016 9:24:50 GMT -5
I really like this song, but my wife and sister-in-law absolute hate it due to how sexist it is. I have a really hard time trying to put myself in their shoes, but I've heard 4-5 people now say "that's now how women think at all and it's terrible that the stereotype is trying to be spread in that way". Not being female, I'm not sure if it's bigger than what I'm imagining, but that thought definitely exists. The production and vocals are outstanding and I want to put this on repeat, just not around most of the women in my life :) I mean, I'm a female and I don't find it sexist at all. Like Zaclord pointed out, it's not saying ALL men or women react in a specific way, nor saying they have to, and the song was borne from JT Harding's specific experience watching a woman put on a front to the world after a break up (full article is in this week's Billboard). And as a female, I've definitely thrown pity parties in private but put on a strong front to the public.
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Post by dajross6 on Jun 17, 2016 10:14:22 GMT -5
Yeah I'm sure it's not a hard and fast rule for all women listening on the radio of course. I was just taken aback by the attitude, and no amount of trying to explain how this isn't ALL women or ALL men was going to help in this case. It's just really interesting and maybe good discussion as to how prevalent some stereotypes are and how much some REALLY hate them.
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 17, 2016 10:28:20 GMT -5
Yeah I'm sure it's not a hard and fast rule for all women listening on the radio of course. I was just taken aback by the attitude, and no amount of trying to explain how this isn't ALL women or ALL men was going to help in this case. It's just really interesting and maybe good discussion as to how prevalent some stereotypes are and how much some REALLY hate them. I agree with you. I think everyone is smart enough to recognize that not every man or woman treats a breakup or even heartache like is depicted in the song but it is painting a broad stroke for what's perceived as the stereotype for both men and women and if someone has not done things in this song after a breakup (me for example), it's natural to be rubbed the wrong way. Sometimes a songwriters intention doesn't get executed to the listening audience and while many will agree with the song, many will not. The song isn't alone though -- I think many songs can fit that category. Whew. I got through a post without wincing in pain from my surgery.
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Post by straitouttanashville on Jun 17, 2016 10:32:39 GMT -5
I'd really like this song, if it didn't play to stereotypes about guys/girls about breakups when it's simply not true I think their voices mesh very well like Elle King is a gifted vocalist that sounds great next to Dierks. I just wish this wasn't similar to "God Made Girls" and "Real Men Love Jesus" or am I the only one that sees it that way? I agree. "DFG" has been growing on me over the past couple weeks. I have to say that I see your point 100%. I argued that they not only were stereotypes but also wrong in general. I known many girls who drink, keep a messy place, or even a few who have punched a wall over heartache. I just don't think that this topic is gender specific. That's just my opinion. I am willing to admit that Elle King's voice is growing on me and maybe she was the right choice for this song.
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Post by maine on Jun 17, 2016 13:05:30 GMT -5
I'm confused as to why "Somewhere on a Beach" was released as the lead single. If they used the same timeframe as they are doing now, it would have been perfect for second single in the summertime. I personally would have gone with "Freedom" as the lead then "Somewhere on a Beach", then maybe this.
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 17, 2016 13:32:02 GMT -5
I'm confused as to why "Somewhere on a Beach" was released as the lead single. If they used the same timeframe as they are doing now, it would have been perfect for second single in the summertime. I personally would have gone with "Freedom" as the lead then "Somewhere on a Beach", then maybe this. I'm not. It's a short, uptempo track with safe lyrics that caters to radio. Those can work anytime of year. They thought it was a guaranteed smash.
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Post by maine on Jun 17, 2016 13:34:35 GMT -5
I'm confused as to why "Somewhere on a Beach" was released as the lead single. If they used the same timeframe as they are doing now, it would have been perfect for second single in the summertime. I personally would have gone with "Freedom" as the lead then "Somewhere on a Beach", then maybe this. I'm not. It's a short, uptempo track with safe lyrics that caters to radio. Those can work anytime of year. They thought it was a guaranteed smash. To me it still sounds better for summer lol. It's a nice song to listen to in your car with the windows down.
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 17, 2016 13:36:36 GMT -5
I'm not. It's a short, uptempo track with safe lyrics that caters to radio. Those can work anytime of year. They thought it was a guaranteed smash. To me it still sounds better for summer lol. It's a nice song to listen to in your car with the windows down. You'll hear plenty of it in recurrent play.
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Post by maine on Jun 17, 2016 13:38:41 GMT -5
To me it still sounds better for summer lol. It's a nice song to listen to in your car with the windows down. You'll hear plenty of it in recurrent play. And on my iPod lol. It's another single I got into way too late haha.
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