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Post by angelakd on Jun 7, 2016 8:51:51 GMT -5
I was sort of hoping this was going to be a cover of the Go-Go's Vacation. I would have liked that better.
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Post by The Brazilian Guy 🇧🇷 on Jun 7, 2016 10:13:01 GMT -5
Damn... I just listened to this. Gotta say that, at this point, this not being country at all is the least of its problems. To me, this song is just plain bad regardless of what genre it is... it's not even catchy enough to become a guilty pleasure LOL
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Post by rsmatto on Jun 7, 2016 10:22:25 GMT -5
It credits the whole band War because it samples "Low Rider". That's why this one has so many writers. Without those credits it wouldn't seem as bad. The CD version credits 14 I believe. First post has 8, not sure the difference. But 14 is alot lol. Thomas Rhett, Sean Douglas, Joe Spargur, John Ryan, Andreas Schuller and Eric Frederic are the new writers. The latter 4 cowrote Jason Derulo's "Wiggle" and/or Pitbull's "Fireball". Douglas and Spargur co-wrote "Die A Happy Man" with Rhett. The other 8 writers are the members of War and their producer/manager Jerry Goldstein. As to a song's quality based on amount of writers, that's clearly debatable. Also debatable is the theory that so many writers make a poppy song "easy to create" while traditional songs seemingly are better because they're written by fewer people or took longer to create. We can argue merits of good/bad all day but neither thing (amount of writers or how long a song takes to write) is equatable too song's quality or how Well-written a song is. Damn... I just listened to this. Gotta say that, at this point, this not being country at all is the least of its problems. To me, this song is just plain bad regardless of what genre it is... it's not even catchy enough to become a guilty pleasure LOL The original melody is what will likely get people. So basically, this will allow country radio to play a familiar classic song all summer long (in the disguise of a new song).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2016 10:45:52 GMT -5
Is it just me or is the background tracking not even the riff from "Low Rider"? It sounds different. Same "style" but different progression/structure?
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Post by The Brazilian Guy 🇧🇷 on Jun 7, 2016 10:49:36 GMT -5
For some reason, the way some of the verses go reminds me of very bad version of Cake's "Short Skirt/Long Jacket" LOL
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Post by kim8 on Jun 7, 2016 13:12:28 GMT -5
Very disappointing. I thought there were some really strong singles on the album and this and T-shirt were 2 of my least favorites. Oh well.
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Post by straitouttanashville on Jun 7, 2016 13:48:05 GMT -5
... the hell did I just listen to? Lmao. Gosh, this guy keeps getting worse and worse. I can't believe this is actually going to country radio.. ugh, I pray this one stalls out in the teens or something ala "1994" or "Truck Yeah" or "Real Life" because I just cannot endure the thought of this being a big hit. This song is literally worse than all of those songs combined. Like, I would legitimately trade so that all 3 of those songs could have hit #1 if it meant that this song would miss... I am actually rooting against this song so hard that I am willing to cheer on other terrible songs just to see it fail... I never thought my life would get to that point. Amen!! Thomas Rhett has sold out harder then any artist in the genre to this point, and that is for sure saying something. This song is awful I dont care what genre you stick this mess in, its just a flat out horrible song. So I guess that means this will be his next number 1? Wouldn't be surprised if this was his fastest single to hit number 1 to date. I almost feel like Rhett is sitting in his office thinking "whats the worst non-country song I could get to #1 on "Country Radio"? "Vacation!!"" I personally don't listen to "Country Radio" anymore, because its just a complete fraud, but if they play this song to #1 then "Country Radio" is basically done. Its amazing what fame and money will do to a person/artist, it would be hard for me if I was an artist to even record a song this bad, but to sing it every night in front of people I would feel gross. This song can't go away fast enough, we all know its going #1 so maybe it can get there in 4 weeks and then be gone, one can only hope. From here forward I honestly won't in go to a concert if this dude is involved in anyway, he's terrible.
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Post by brinkeronline on Jun 7, 2016 14:57:10 GMT -5
WHY? Why must 'toes (up) in the sand" and "cold one (in my hand)" be lyrics in every other male-performed song?
Can there be legislation banning those lines along with "slide (on) over", "painted on jeans" and anything concerning a tailgate or someone's tanlines.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2016 15:11:20 GMT -5
Yikes to that music video. If the target audience is 11 year olds in bikinis singing about cold ones and Red Stripe, then maybe this song will meet the expectations of its writers.
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Post by straitouttanashville on Jun 7, 2016 17:24:15 GMT -5
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Post by straitouttanashville on Jun 7, 2016 17:28:35 GMT -5
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Post by onebuffalo on Jun 7, 2016 17:35:41 GMT -5
Something about a snowball's chance in hell. Thomas Rhett is hot right now, so even if he sang the phone book, country radio will eat it up. Like it or not, I'm expecting Vacation to be the fourth #1 hit off of Tangled Up.
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Post by straitouttanashville on Jun 7, 2016 20:26:30 GMT -5
Something about a snowball's chance in hell. Thomas Rhett is hot right now, so even if he sang the phone book, country radio will eat it up. Like it or not, I'm expecting Vacation to be the fourth #1 hit off of Tangled Up. I bet you're 100% right about "Vacation". Can someone explain why a song that is so NOT COUNTRY, I mean not even kinda close can be a hit at "Country Radio"?
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Post by dm2081 on Jun 7, 2016 22:41:07 GMT -5
Something about a snowball's chance in hell. Thomas Rhett is hot right now, so even if he sang the phone book, country radio will eat it up. Like it or not, I'm expecting Vacation to be the fourth #1 hit off of Tangled Up. I bet you're 100% right about "Vacation". Can someone explain why a song that is so NOT COUNTRY, I mean not even kinda close can be a hit at "Country Radio"? Because country radio is a business. It wants to play songs that are very popular right now and will bring in listeners. Max amount of listeners = more ad exposure = more money for radio stations. Rhett's music is insanely popular right now, along with Sam Hunt and whoever else you probably don't like. His past singles have tested extremely well nationally, locally, heck probably even on different planets. Why would country radio stop playing him all of the sudden? Sure his music is getting edgy and blurring the lines of genres, but nobody else is going to claim him right now. His voice is way too country to ever be on Pop radio, he obviously wasn't meant for Rhythmic or Urban radio, he's not anywhere near rocking enough for Active rock radio, and he's too mainstream for Alternative radio. So why would country just let go of a big name and big selling artist right now when they pretty much have first dibs on him without any risk of him getting poached by other radio formats? It's not like his music isn't selling, his singles have been some of the best selling ones recently. And hate to break it to you, but "Vacation" is already selling well based off of its Sirius XM radio play alone. There's a market for him right now, and until it goes away, we will keep hearing him on country radio. I don't understand why this is so difficult for some on here to grasp (not directed at you). I can understand why people can't understand non-event or poorly testing singles climbing the charts, but that's not the case with Rhett.
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Post by hosssulpizio on Jun 7, 2016 23:04:07 GMT -5
I bet you're 100% right about "Vacation". Can someone explain why a song that is so NOT COUNTRY, I mean not even kinda close can be a hit at "Country Radio"? Because country radio is a business. It wants to play songs that are very popular right now and will bring in listeners. Max amount of listeners = more ad exposure = more money for radio stations. Rhett's music is insanely popular right now, along with Sam Hunt and whoever else you probably don't like. His past singles have tested extremely well nationally, locally, heck probably even on different planets. Why would country radio stop playing him all of the sudden? Sure his music is getting edgy and blurring the lines of genres, but nobody else is going to claim him right now. His voice is way too country to ever be on Pop radio, he obviously wasn't met for Rhythmic or Urban radio, he's not anywhere near rocking enough for Active rock radio, and he's too mainstream for Alternative radio. So why would country just let go of a big name and big selling artist right now when they pretty much have first dibs on him without any risk of him getting poached by other radio formats? It's not like his music isn't selling, his singles have been some of the best selling ones recently. And hate to break it to you, but "Vacation" is already selling well based off of its Sirius XM radio play alone. There's a market for him right now, and until it goes away, we will keep hearing him on country radio. I don't understand why this is so difficult for some on here to grasp (not directed at you). I can understand why people can't understand non-event or poorly testing singles climbing the charts, but that's not the case with Rhett. All I'm wondering is how can people bear to hear this song? I mean others can have their own opinions but this song does nothing for Country radio. Thomas needs to stop doing this to us. I really do agree that he just said,"Let's pick a non-country song that will ruin country radio". I feel so bad for the members of War that all of a sudden they have to hear of a monstrosity such as this song. They had a classic song. Thomas Rhett, on the other hand, will not have this one as a classic. I think the only classic song he'll ever have is "Die a Happy Man". In the future, he'll be known as one of the guys that tried to kill Country music and looked like a dumb a** doing it. Country will live on. I know it. We are just going through a very tough time right now. Pretty much everyone is selling-out big time on Music Row. This war has to end soon! We must stand up for Country music because we will not see true progress until every non-country artist is gone from country music.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Jun 7, 2016 23:32:22 GMT -5
No I wasn't. I had a problem with you bringing it up in a thread that wasn't about the song. Not you. There have been a handful of instances where people have crticized the "wow there are so many writers" thought. I seem to remember it for "Sun Daze", "Lose My Mind", and "Somewhere on a Beach", "Live Forever" off the top of my head. All of which were basic, ordinary, amateur-level songs. "Reno" by Doug Supernaw had 7 writers, and that song came out in 1993. Not at all related -- it seems like he wrote it with his road band, which to me, makes it seem like it came about naturally -- but still, proof that this isn't entirely a new thing. This song is dumb and weird and bizarre, but I don't hate it. It's certainly distinctive, and I value uniqueness. Sure, it's better when something is unique in a good way, but at least if something is unique in a bad way, then at least it created some kind of reaction to me. If I were an artist, I would actually consider it more insulting to have someone say "I don't care either way about this song" than "this song sucks". Because saying "This song sucks" shows that it at least made an impact on you, and that my creative endeavors were therefore not in vain.
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Post by straitouttanashville on Jun 8, 2016 1:32:37 GMT -5
Not you. There have been a handful of instances where people have crticized the "wow there are so many writers" thought. I seem to remember it for "Sun Daze", "Lose My Mind", and "Somewhere on a Beach", "Live Forever" off the top of my head. All of which were basic, ordinary, amateur-level songs. "Reno" by Doug Supernaw had 7 writers, and that song came out in 1993. Not at all related -- it seems like he wrote it with his road band, which to me, makes it seem like it came about naturally -- but still, proof that this isn't entirely a new thing. This song is dumb and weird and bizarre, but I don't hate it. It's certainly distinctive, and I value uniqueness. Sure, it's better when something is unique in a good way, but at least if something is unique in a bad way, then at least it created some kind of reaction to me. If I were an artist, I would actually consider it more insulting to have someone say "I don't care either way about this song" than "this song sucks". Because saying "This song sucks" shows that it at least made an impact on you, and that my creative endeavors were therefore not in vain. Are you suggesting that it would be better for an artist to put out an horrible song, that was honestly a slap in the face to their genre and have people mad and hate it than to have a average song? If so that's pretty stupid. Thomas Rhett is smart enough to know this song is going to piss a lot of people off because it 100% not a country music song, and Rhett is sending it to "Country Radio. If you like the song that is fine, even if "Vacation", in my opinion, is so bad it makes me physically angry. There is no argument this even is .0000000001% country music and that is what is making people so turned off. Thomas Rhett knows as a Pop artist he is a hack, at best, so he can't go Pop. So Rhett just sends his Pop garbage to "Country Radio" and for some reason they get behind it and play it. I said this once but I'll say it again, I will never attend another event that Rhett is involved in. Rhett can't go away fast enough for me, and dude is awful dancer. Rhett is the prime example of what you get when an artist sells out hard for money and fame, Rhett please go away. www.savingcountrymusic.com/thomas-rhetts-vacation-aka-adolescent-girls-in-bikinis-singing-about-drinking-beer/comment-page-1/#comment-740183
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Post by Music Fan on Jun 8, 2016 3:37:08 GMT -5
I know this is very pop and not really country at all.. but I'll be in the minority and say it: I've been playing this song since the album came out last year. It's summer.. why not release this song if he's had success with all his releases thus far?
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Post by matty005 on Jun 8, 2016 4:43:10 GMT -5
Because country radio is a business. It wants to play songs that are very popular right now and will bring in listeners. Max amount of listeners = more ad exposure = more money for radio stations. Rhett's music is insanely popular right now, along with Sam Hunt and whoever else you probably don't like. His past singles have tested extremely well nationally, locally, heck probably even on different planets. Why would country radio stop playing him all of the sudden? Sure his music is getting edgy and blurring the lines of genres, but nobody else is going to claim him right now. His voice is way too country to ever be on Pop radio, he obviously wasn't met for Rhythmic or Urban radio, he's not anywhere near rocking enough for Active rock radio, and he's too mainstream for Alternative radio. So why would country just let go of a big name and big selling artist right now when they pretty much have first dibs on him without any risk of him getting poached by other radio formats? It's not like his music isn't selling, his singles have been some of the best selling ones recently. And hate to break it to you, but "Vacation" is already selling well based off of its Sirius XM radio play alone. There's a market for him right now, and until it goes away, we will keep hearing him on country radio. I don't understand why this is so difficult for some on here to grasp (not directed at you). I can understand why people can't understand non-event or poorly testing singles climbing the charts, but that's not the case with Rhett. All I'm wondering is how can people bear to hear this song? I mean others can have their own opinions but this song does nothing for Country radio. Thomas needs to stop doing this to us. I really do agree that he just said,"Let's pick a non-country song that will ruin country radio". I feel so bad for the members of War that all of a sudden they have to hear of a monstrosity such as this song. They had a classic song. Thomas Rhett, on the other hand, will not have this one as a classic. I think the only classic song he'll ever have is "Die a Happy Man". In the future, he'll be known as one of the guys that tried to kill Country music and looked like a dumb a** doing it. Country will live on. I know it. We are just going through a very tough time right now. Pretty much everyone is selling-out big time on Music Row. This war has to end soon! We must stand up for Country music because we will not see true progress until every non-country artist is gone from country music. Kind of how Shania Twain and Faith Hill are remembered. I don't think anyone even knows a song by them anymore - they just remember that they committed murder on music row (there was even a song written about it). *sarcasm*
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 6:30:57 GMT -5
The difference between Twain and Hill is that while their songs were a bit poppy (even for the time when poppy country songs were more common than they were 5 years ago), they still made good music.
This song is a pile of terd. Would Shania Twain ever make a song like this? There's a difference between making a poppy country song (like "That Don't Impress Me Much") and making a pile of steaming poo (like "Vacation").
For the record I hear a lot more Alan Jackson, George Strait, early Tim McGraw, early Kenny Chesney gold tracks being played. I'm not sure I ever hear Twain or Hill. Could be a female thing, could be a pop thing.
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Post by matty005 on Jun 8, 2016 6:38:52 GMT -5
The difference between Twain and Hill is that while their songs were a bit poppy (even for the time when poppy country songs were more common than they were 5 years ago), they still made good music. This song is a pile of terd. Would Shania Twain ever make a song like this? There's a difference between making a poppy country song (like "That Don't Impress Me Much") and making a pile of steaming poo (like "Vacation"). For the record I hear a lot more Alan Jackson, George Strait, early Tim McGraw, early Kenny Chesney gold tracks being played. I'm not sure I ever hear Twain or Hill. Could be a female thing, could be a pop thing. The same thing was said. You just happen to think Shania and Faith's music was good. There are plenty of people who think Rhett's music is good too. It's been the same complaint for years and it will be for years to come. With that said, I'm not saying you're wrong that I wish it was more country, but you just can't say, "Shania's songs were good, so it's not the same."' Good music is subjective and while Thomas isn't nearly as popular as Shania or Faith were, he's pretty damn popular right now.
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Post by trebor on Jun 8, 2016 7:36:57 GMT -5
When reading through the comments I feel like the notion is that Thomas Rhett deliberately wants to change the country landscape. He is an artist and has the ability and the freedom to do whatever he wants as long as he is backed by BMLG and the corporations. If the suits thought that his latest album or this single weren't any good, the whole project would have never seen the light of day. I don't necessarily like Thomas Rhett but unilaterally blaming him for everything is unfair; he might cause the tremors but he certainly is not the epicenter of all that is going wrong and astray (in mine, yours and our most subjective view[s)]. The ratings and polls, sales and social media (unfortunately) speak a different language. As already mentioned, Country music has become a business where genre and legacy aspects no longer seem to be of importance (or matter, at all). Switch off the radio, change station, move to secondary radio, try the Texas radio circuit or (mainstream) Americana; all available via streams. If you're not satisfied, take action and BUY records that are Country (and not the Shelton's & Urban's of this world) to have your voice heard; it would be fantastic when the whole Billboard Top 10 albums were by artists that indeed are >80% Country. Also, it's very bipolar to shrug off this artist and back others that are going down the same wishy-washy (Metro) Country/(Pure) Pop/Rhythmic path.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 9:24:47 GMT -5
I feel so bad for the members of War that all of a sudden they have to hear of a monstrosity such as this song. They had a classic song. Why do you feel bad for them? If "Vacation" is a big hit or even just a moderate hit, then they're gonna profit off of it. I'm with most of the people here: this is 110% a pop song. I will say that I actually like "Vacation" quite a bit (for what it is: a pop song), but of course I'd rather that we got only country or country-pop songs on country radio, not pure pop songs. I can certainly understand why people who want to listen to only country music get angry when pop songs get released to country radio and become big hits because I'm right there with you...I typically get frustrated/annoyed when country radio gets bombarded by pop songs. In a perfect world (I feel like I say this a lot), the pop songs would get played on pop radio, and country radio would play only country songs. But that's not how it works (as dm2081 pointed out in his excellent post), and I hope people understand why. I'm certainly not saying we can't discuss what's good or bad about this song, nor am I saying that people can't criticize or defend it's release to country radio, but I don't think we need any more "why is this song being released to country radio?" posts. We should all know the answer to that -- Thomas and BMLG released it because they wanted to, and country radio is a business that can play whatever it wants. It's as simple as that. So, by all means, let the discussion continue, but I'd prefer for the "why is this song being released to country radio?" posts (whether it's a serious question or sarcasm) to stop, as I think posts of that nature are more likely to lead to negative contributions to the thread, rather than positive contributions. On another note...if they were dead-set on releasing this to country radio, I think it would have made more sense to release it 6th, for summer 2017. "Vacation" as a country radio single strikes me as a huge risk. Sure, we've got a ton of pop/rock songs on country radio these days and even songs with EDM and R&B characteristics, but "Vacation" takes things up a few levels. There will be a lot of people who won't care because "it's good music", but there will also be a lot of people who say things like "what the heck? This song isn't country at all" (this thread is already evidence of that). Basically, I can see this one being very polarizing and not researching all that well, and that could lead to it stalling out outside the top 10. So I think it would have been smart for BMLG and Thomas to release two other songs (actual country songs, or at least country-pop songs -- I'm assuming there are a few of those on the album) as the 4th and 5th singles -- one for summer/fall, the other for late fall/winter/early spring -- and then they could have released "Vacation" as the 6th and final single from the album. That way, if it stalls out, they wouldn't really care because it'd be the last single from the album. I know, I know, it's likely that they're probably planning on only going 4 or 5 singles deep, but it seems like they could easily do 6 if they wanted to given how white hot Thomas is right now. Tangled Up has only been out for a little more than 8 months. Thomas probably wants to release his 3rd album in spring or summer of 2017, but if he held off until late in the year, then they could definitely crank out 6 singles from Tangled Up.
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Post by straitouttanashville on Jun 8, 2016 9:40:05 GMT -5
The difference between Twain and Hill is that while their songs were a bit poppy (even for the time when poppy country songs were more common than they were 5 years ago), they still made good music. This song is a pile of terd. Would Shania Twain ever make a song like this? There's a difference between making a poppy country song (like "That Don't Impress Me Much") and making a pile of steaming poo (like "Vacation"). For the record I hear a lot more Alan Jackson, George Strait, early Tim McGraw, early Kenny Chesney gold tracks being played. I'm not sure I ever hear Twain or Hill. Could be a female thing, could be a pop thing. The same thing was said. You just happen to think Shania and Faith's music was good. There are plenty of people who think Rhett's music is good too. It's been the same complaint for years and it will be for years to come. With that said, I'm not saying you're wrong that I wish it was more country, but you just can't say, "Shania's songs were good, so it's not the same."' Good music is subjective and while Thomas isn't nearly as popular as Shania or Faith were, he's pretty damn popular right now. The difference is that Shania and Hill's songs were a little bit pop a little bit country. "Vacation" is 100% pop. You also say some people like this, and they probably do, but let's not put Rhett on the same planet as Hill or Twain. I feel kinda dumb even putting Rhett's name in the same sentence with Hill and/or Twain. Rhett can't even sing, go see him live and you'll see or I guess hear. Hill and Twain have incredible voices. I guess what I am getting at is Rhett has no talent it's pretty obvious.
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Post by tonyei31 on Jun 8, 2016 11:12:06 GMT -5
I bet you're 100% right about "Vacation". Can someone explain why a song that is so NOT COUNTRY, I mean not even kinda close can be a hit at "Country Radio"? Because country radio is a business. It wants to play songs that are very popular right now and will bring in listeners. Max amount of listeners = more ad exposure = more money for radio stations. Rhett's music is insanely popular right now, along with Sam Hunt and whoever else you probably don't like. His past singles have tested extremely well nationally, locally, heck probably even on different planets. Why would country radio stop playing him all of the sudden? Sure his music is getting edgy and blurring the lines of genres, but nobody else is going to claim him right now. His voice is way too country to ever be on Pop radio, he obviously wasn't meant for Rhythmic or Urban radio, he's not anywhere near rocking enough for Active rock radio, and he's too mainstream for Alternative radio. So why would country just let go of a big name and big selling artist right now when they pretty much have first dibs on him without any risk of him getting poached by other radio formats? It's not like his music isn't selling, his singles have been some of the best selling ones recently. And hate to break it to you, but "Vacation" is already selling well based off of its Sirius XM radio play alone. There's a market for him right now, and until it goes away, we will keep hearing him on country radio. I don't understand why this is so difficult for some on here to grasp (not directed at you). I can understand why people can't understand non-event or poorly testing singles climbing the charts, but that's not the case with Rhett. This is simply not true otherwise Stapleton, Sturgill Simpson, Jason Isbell, etc. would be getting tons of airplay right now. Rhett fits the demographic of what radio execs want to push right now and is filling the role great.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Jun 8, 2016 11:18:15 GMT -5
Are you suggesting that it would be better for an artist to put out an horrible song, that was honestly a slap in the face to their genre and have people mad and hate it than to have a average song? If so that's pretty stupid. Maybe it's just a matter of personal taste. I can't stand indifference on a personal level. I get the vitriol toward this song, even if I don't hate it -- granted, I don't love it either, and I could see it burning out on me fast. Yes, the genre is inundated lately with songs that are beyond being "country in name only", but I don't ever want to pin the blame on any single song chipping away at the genre's core. At least this song is invoking some sort of reaction from you, even if violently negative. To give a counter example: I heard "Kiss You in the Morning" yesterday, and even I, a person who prides himself on being a living Pandora app, got it mixed up with "Love You Like That" because both songs came out around the same time, are equally boring and forgettable, and just have no takeaway from either song. And I don't like that those songs have done that to me, in part because I think that both artists have done better material. Some of it also may be my naturally optimistic nature. I try to find at least one good thing about a song, no matter how badly I dislike it, and no matter how badly I have to grasp at straws to find that one good thing. Thomas Rhett is smart enough to know this song is going to piss a lot of people off because it 100% not a country music song, and Rhett is sending it to "Country Radio. If you like the song that is fine, even if "Vacation", in my opinion, is so bad it makes me physically angry. There is no argument this even is .0000000001% country music and that is what is making people so turned off. Thomas Rhett knows as a Pop artist he is a hack, at best, so he can't go Pop. So Rhett just sends his Pop garbage to "Country Radio" and for some reason they get behind it and play it. I said this once but I'll say it again, I will never attend another event that Rhett is involved in. Rhett can't go away fast enough for me, and dude is awful dancer. Rhett is the prime example of what you get when an artist sells out hard for money and fame, Rhett please go away. I think part of it is that I don't have the hate-on for TR that most people do around here. Sure, I get that his music barely sounds like country. But at the same time, at least most of his songs have a distinction to them. Also, if one holds the opinion that TR "sold out", wouldn't that imply that he had material that you liked to begin with? I know people who hated him as far back as "Something to Do with My Hands", and some of them didn't even like "Beer with Jesus". Is it still a "sell-out" to release one awful song when there are other songs on the album that don't pander in the slightest? If the whole album sounded like "Vacation", and his next singles sounded like "Vacation" too, then I could see the argument there. But did Tim McGraw "sell out" when he put out "Lookin' for That Girl"? No; nothing else he's put out since has been even remotely like this song. (And why do so many people think "Crash and Burn" is "kill it with fire" bad anyway? Never got the vitriol toward that one.)
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dm2081
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Post by dm2081 on Jun 8, 2016 11:38:10 GMT -5
Because country radio is a business. It wants to play songs that are very popular right now and will bring in listeners. Max amount of listeners = more ad exposure = more money for radio stations. Rhett's music is insanely popular right now, along with Sam Hunt and whoever else you probably don't like. His past singles have tested extremely well nationally, locally, heck probably even on different planets. Why would country radio stop playing him all of the sudden? Sure his music is getting edgy and blurring the lines of genres, but nobody else is going to claim him right now. His voice is way too country to ever be on Pop radio, he obviously wasn't meant for Rhythmic or Urban radio, he's not anywhere near rocking enough for Active rock radio, and he's too mainstream for Alternative radio. So why would country just let go of a big name and big selling artist right now when they pretty much have first dibs on him without any risk of him getting poached by other radio formats? It's not like his music isn't selling, his singles have been some of the best selling ones recently. And hate to break it to you, but "Vacation" is already selling well based off of its Sirius XM radio play alone. There's a market for him right now, and until it goes away, we will keep hearing him on country radio. I don't understand why this is so difficult for some on here to grasp (not directed at you). I can understand why people can't understand non-event or poorly testing singles climbing the charts, but that's not the case with Rhett. This is simply not true otherwise Stapleton, Sturgill Simpson, Jason Isbell, etc. would be getting tons of airplay right now. Rhett fits the demographic of what radio execs want to push right now and is filling the role great. This actually almost reinforces my point. Stapleton essentially got so big virtually overnight at the CMA Awards show that radio HAD to play him, because the next day people were outraged they couldn't find him on the radio. Jason Isbell and Sturgill Simpson has sold very well and are two great acts IMO, but I don't think they're the type that can connect to a broad audience. I can't imagine the callout scores would be too great for them considering how traditional leaning songs tend to fair these days. If they were selling great and testing well, then you'd have a great point. But anyways, did either of those two even send any singles to country radio? I can't recall any singles being actively promoted by them.
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Post by trebor on Jun 8, 2016 11:45:05 GMT -5
This actually almost reinforces my point. Stapleton essentially got so big virtually overnight at the CMA Awards show that radio HAD to play him, because the next day people were outraged they couldn't find him on the radio. Jason Isbell and Sturgill Simpson has sold very well and are two great acts IMO, but I don't think they're the type that can connect to a broad audience. I can't imagine the callout scores would be too great for them considering how traditional leaning songs tend to fair these days. If they were selling great and testing well, then you'd have a great point. But anyways, did either of those two even send any singles to country radio? I can't recall any singles being actively promoted by them. No, they go directly to Americana and AAA.
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Post by straitouttanashville on Jun 8, 2016 15:28:33 GMT -5
Are you suggesting that it would be better for an artist to put out an horrible song, that was honestly a slap in the face to their genre and have people mad and hate it than to have a average song? If so that's pretty stupid. Maybe it's just a matter of personal taste. I can't stand indifference on a personal level. I get the vitriol toward this song, even if I don't hate it -- granted, I don't love it either, and I could see it burning out on me fast. Yes, the genre is inundated lately with songs that are beyond being "country in name only", but I don't ever want to pin the blame on any single song chipping away at the genre's core. At least this song is invoking some sort of reaction from you, even if violently negative. To give a counter example: I heard "Kiss You in the Morning" yesterday, and even I, a person who prides himself on being a living Pandora app, got it mixed up with "Love You Like That" because both songs came out around the same time, are equally boring and forgettable, and just have no takeaway from either song. And I don't like that those songs have done that to me, in part because I think that both artists have done better material. Some of it also may be my naturally optimistic nature. I try to find at least one good thing about a song, no matter how badly I dislike it, and no matter how badly I have to grasp at straws to find that one good thing. Thomas Rhett is smart enough to know this song is going to piss a lot of people off because it 100% not a country music song, and Rhett is sending it to "Country Radio. If you like the song that is fine, even if "Vacation", in my opinion, is so bad it makes me physically angry. There is no argument this even is .0000000001% country music and that is what is making people so turned off. Thomas Rhett knows as a Pop artist he is a hack, at best, so he can't go Pop. So Rhett just sends his Pop garbage to "Country Radio" and for some reason they get behind it and play it. I said this once but I'll say it again, I will never attend another event that Rhett is involved in. Rhett can't go away fast enough for me, and dude is awful dancer. Rhett is the prime example of what you get when an artist sells out hard for money and fame, Rhett please go away. I think part of it is that I don't have the hate-on for TR that most people do around here. Sure, I get that his music barely sounds like country. But at the same time, at least most of his songs have a distinction to them. Also, if one holds the opinion that TR "sold out", wouldn't that imply that he had material that you liked to begin with? I know people who hated him as far back as "Something to Do with My Hands", and some of them didn't even like "Beer with Jesus". Is it still a "sell-out" to release one awful song when there are other songs on the album that don't pander in the slightest? If the whole album sounded like "Vacation", and his next singles sounded like "Vacation" too, then I could see the argument there. But did Tim McGraw "sell out" when he put out "Lookin' for That Girl"? No; nothing else he's put out since has been even remotely like this song. (And why do so many people think "Crash and Burn" is "kill it with fire" bad anyway? Never got the vitriol toward that one.) Yes it would, I liked "Beer With Jesus" but since "BWJ" its been down hill, and complete crap. Fake Bruno Mars (TR) can exit stage left ASAP please!!
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Post by gonecountry on Jun 8, 2016 16:29:08 GMT -5
Oh God.
I'll admit to liking most of his stuff (not T-Shirt), but this makes Sun Daze look like 100% pure country.
Please radio gods, don't play this crap.
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