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Post by phil1996 on Jul 18, 2016 9:33:28 GMT -5
Lots of new singles and T Shirt just got done. I'm sure it'll be a big hit on the charts
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 9:35:11 GMT -5
This song has had a rough week. After 28 days charting, "T-Shirt" had double the spin total and nearly three times the audience. It's too early to tell if stations are just waiting on this one to see some research/feedback or if it will suffer a similar fate as "Live Forever" (which showed very similar activity early in its chart run). Shockingly enough, this song could actually come dangerously close to falling out of the top 40 by this weekend. No way this song falls off the Top 40. Thomas Rhett is right now at #36 on the rolling chart on MB and it'd take Thomas falling all the way down to #42 to get kicked out. On Billboard Thomas Rhett will probably be at #34 so I doubt he falls out of the Top 40. Having said all that, Thomas has lost 210k in audience the past 7 days. I don't think the research has come back just yet, so it might just be the heavy amount of new singles. I don't think he'd fall out, but it would be "close", which is astonishing in its own right considering how hot he is and that he made it to #33 on MB. I was speaking of MB only. He is helped by the recurrents, of course, but I fully expect Jason Aldean, Tim McGraw, FGL, Miranda Lambert, Carrie Underwood, and Luke Bryan to pass him within the next month. You are right that it appears he will not actually fall below #40, but I thought it was interesting that he is dropping positions. For a song that people have taken as "acceptable" from an artist that is as hot as anybody right now.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 9:44:08 GMT -5
No way this song falls off the Top 40. Thomas Rhett is right now at #36 on the rolling chart on MB and it'd take Thomas falling all the way down to #42 to get kicked out. On Billboard Thomas Rhett will probably be at #34 so I doubt he falls out of the Top 40. Having said all that, Thomas has lost 210k in audience the past 7 days. I don't think the research has come back just yet, so it might just be the heavy amount of new singles. I don't think he'd fall out, but it would be "close", which is astonishing in its own right considering how hot he is and that he made it to #33 on MB. I was speaking of MB only. He is helped by the recurrents, of course, but I fully expect Jason Aldean, Tim McGraw, FGL, Miranda Lambert, Carrie Underwood, and Luke Bryan to pass him within the next month. You are right that it appears he will not actually fall below #40, but I thought it was interesting that he is dropping positions. For a song that people have taken as "acceptable" from an artist that is as hot as anybody right now. Yes all will move ahead, but like I said in the "Without A Fight" thread, there's a lot of songs that are freefalling or close to it (Carrie Underwood, Jason Aldean, David Nail, Keith Urban, Kenny Chesney and Frankie Ballard) then you have songs that might last 2-3 weeks (Jordan Rager, Jennifer Nettles, Big & Rich and Kip Moore) that is a total 10 songs in the MB Top 40 looking weak. Tim McGraw will pass this week more than likely, Jason will pass once iHeartMedia is done same with Miranda. FGL is going to probably be spending a few weeks at the top with "H.O.L.Y" so don't expect "May We All" to get released til around the album release date. Luke Bryan and Carrie Underwood don't have their singles yet to be released to radio so might be a few weeks yet there as well.
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Post by straitouttanashville on Jul 26, 2016 13:35:46 GMT -5
Wouldn't it just be great if "Vacation" just went away along with Thomas Rhett. One can dream!!
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Post by Kat5Kind on Jul 26, 2016 14:11:51 GMT -5
Wouldn't it just be great if "Vacation" just went away along with Thomas Rhett. One can dream!! What does this add to the conversation? We know you don't like him. You don't have to say it in every Thomas thread.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Aug 1, 2016 18:27:12 GMT -5
I found out where TR got the beat of this song from:
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Post by rbundy1987 on Aug 3, 2016 20:12:13 GMT -5
I am starting to think that releasing this as a single was a big mistake by Valory/BMLG as the song is struggling in the top 40, hardly moving. I was just looking at how far along his last single "T-Shirt" was on the charts on it's 44th day as the song is now in it's 44th day on Mediabase and things aren't looking so hot for "Vacation".
In it's 44th Day on Mediabase, "T-Shirt" was #18 on the chart with 3,632 spins, audience of 25.025 In it's 44th Day on Mediabase, "Vacation" is at #37 on the chart with 1,479 spins, audience of 7.881
"T-Shirt" had over double the spins where "Vacation" currently is in it's 44th day on the chart, same thing with Audience, as he is triple behind from where "T-Shirt" was during this time of the song's run.
Song has a bullet of 4, things aren't looking good as it seems radio is showing resentment towards this song's release.
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Post by tonyei31 on Aug 3, 2016 20:36:11 GMT -5
I am starting to think that releasing this as a single was a big mistake by Valory/BMLG as the song is struggling in the top 40, hardly moving. I was just looking at how far along his last single "T-Shirt" was on the charts on it's 44th day as the song is now in it's 44th day on Mediabase and things aren't looking so hot for "Vacation". In it's 44th Day on Mediabase, "T-Shirt" was #18 on the chart with 3,632 spins, audience of 25.025 In it's 44th Day on Mediabase, "Vacation" is at #37 on the chart with 1,479 spins, audience of 7.881 "T-Shirt" had over double the spins where "Vacation" currently is in it's 44th day on the chart, same thing with Audience, as he is triple behind from where "T-Shirt" was during this time of the song's run. Song has a bullet of 4, things aren't looking good as it seems radio is showing resentment towards this song's release. Great info. Radio should be showing resentment towards this song. I am glad they are, to be honest. Would like to see Rhett get back to the "Something to do with my Hands" "Beer with Jesus" type stuff.
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Post by Marv on Aug 3, 2016 23:32:30 GMT -5
Definitely the worst country song or whatever the heck you want to call it of the year; I gave it 20 seconds on CT40 last week before I bailed on it.
Absolutely atrocious.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Aug 4, 2016 1:39:08 GMT -5
Would like to see Rhett get back to the "Something to do with my Hands" "Beer with Jesus" type stuff. I think you are the second person (after me) to say something positive about "Something to Do with My Hands". It seems like no matter what TR releases, people here have nothing but vitriol for him. Seriously, what was so bad about "Crash and Burn" anyway? I've seen people spew negativity over that as if it were "Donkey" 2.0, and I honestly don't get what there is to hate about it.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Aug 4, 2016 2:03:34 GMT -5
I had a feeling/wishful thinking that this one would run into trouble for being polarizing and not be the smash hit his last three singles were, so it's nice to see that it isn't taking off nearly as well. I'd be ecstatic to see this one have a premature flameout soon.
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Post by bjer127 on Aug 4, 2016 6:17:15 GMT -5
This potentially failing at radio gives me some hope in country radio. However, the fact it is still selling #10 on country iTunes is annoying. The label's response would be "oh it was connecting and selling like hot cakes, but radio avoided it", when we all know die hard country music fans AREN'T the ones buying this track.
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Post by carriekins on Aug 4, 2016 6:32:10 GMT -5
Would like to see Rhett get back to the "Something to do with my Hands" "Beer with Jesus" type stuff. I think you are the second person (after me) to say something positive about "Something to Do with My Hands". It seems like no matter what TR releases, people here have nothing but vitriol for him. Seriously, what was so bad about "Crash and Burn" anyway? I've seen people spew negativity over that as if it were "Donkey" 2.0, and I honestly don't get what there is to hate about it. Um, Crash and Burn was a disco song, that was what was wrong with it. And what I don't get is why we all have to keep explaining ourselves to you.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2016 6:40:23 GMT -5
Would like to see Rhett get back to the "Something to do with my Hands" "Beer with Jesus" type stuff. I think you are the second person (after me) to say something positive about "Something to Do with My Hands". It seems like no matter what TR releases, people here have nothing but vitriol for him. Seriously, what was so bad about "Crash and Burn" anyway? I've seen people spew negativity over that as if it were "Donkey" 2.0, and I honestly don't get what there is to hate about it. I hated it cause it ripped off Sam Cooke's "Chain Gang" without giving any credit. Oh yeah it had a certain arrogance to it that made it more insufferable.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Aug 4, 2016 7:20:08 GMT -5
Oh yeah it had a certain arrogance to it that made it more insufferable. What's so arrogant about saying "It's my fault that I messed up this relationship, so I'll take the blame"?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2016 8:47:59 GMT -5
Oh yeah it had a certain arrogance to it that made it more insufferable. What's so arrogant about saying "It's my fault that I messed up this relationship, so I'll take the blame"? It's how it's framed, his vocal tone makes it sound like he doesn't care that the relationship ended.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2016 9:00:28 GMT -5
This one is acting similar to "Live Forever."
No way it makes it top 25 and at this point I expect it to fizzle out around #30 like LF did.
It could get higher with some recurrents and there are undoubtedly enough idiot PDs who care more about short-term advertising dollars than they do about building a unique station and genre sound, so they'll continue to play it.
I just scratch my head at this because Thomas had an outstanding album cycle before this one--they better hope there's no Beautiful Drug Effect for the next single.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2016 9:39:08 GMT -5
It could get higher with some recurrents and there are undoubtedly enough idiot PDs who care more about short-term advertising dollars than they do about building a unique station and genre sound, so they'll continue to play it. From an advertising perspective, PD's are more likely to not play it, though. Radio is showing a lot of resistance to this song because of how un-country it is...meaning that they are afraid to play the song because if it tests poorly with listeners, then those listeners are more likely to change the station or start listening to other stations altogether, which results in lower ratings, which means less money from advertisers. I'm surprised that anybody is surprised that this one is struggling so badly. Yeah, it's selling extremely well, but this song is just way too "out there" for country radio. I figured the best-case scenario here (for Thomas and the label anyway) would be a chart run similar to Aldean's "1994". I am starting to think that releasing this as a single was a big mistake by Valory/BMLG as the song is struggling in the top 40, hardly moving. I was just looking at how far along his last single "T-Shirt" was on the charts on it's 44th day as the song is now in it's 44th day on Mediabase and things aren't looking so hot for "Vacation". In it's 44th Day on Mediabase, "T-Shirt" was #18 on the chart with 3,632 spins, audience of 25.025 In it's 44th Day on Mediabase, "Vacation" is at #37 on the chart with 1,479 spins, audience of 7.881 "T-Shirt" had over double the spins where "Vacation" currently is in it's 44th day on the chart, same thing with Audience, as he is triple behind from where "T-Shirt" was during this time of the song's run. Song has a bullet of 4, things aren't looking good as it seems radio is showing resentment towards this song's release. I doubt that the label sees the release of "Vacation" as a mistake. The song might not be doing well on the airplay front but it's selling extremely well and generating even more exposure for Thomas (which is saying something, given that his last 3 singles were pretty huge). I doubt BMLG expected this to have as much radio success as the previous singles, and they (and I) certainly didn't expect this one to be doing as well as "T-Shirt" was doing at the same point in its chart run. I think everybody at all of the labels and at radio is well aware (even more than we are) that the chart is extremely backed up due to all the high-profile new releases from Kenny, Miranda, Jason, Luke, Tim, and others, all in a very short time span.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2016 9:43:33 GMT -5
I understand the notion of artist exposure on platforms other than radio (thus releasing this to cash in on digital sales) but jhomes87 do you really think the label was aware this would die out in the 20s? I can't imagine so.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2016 9:52:46 GMT -5
I understand the notion of artist exposure on platforms other than radio (thus releasing this to cash in on digital sales) but jhomes87 do you really think the label was aware this would die out in the 20s? I can't imagine so. I'm sure they hoped it would do as well as possible, but yeah, I definitely think they understood that this wouldn't be a surefire airplay hit. A lot of labels work with consulting companies to gauge how songs might do at radio, so I'm sure BMLG had a lot of early feedback where PD's gave their take on "Vacation", and I imagine that a lot of those PD's probably said that they were fans of the song but also said they'd be hesitant to give it substantial airplay or even to play it at all. I mean, there are more than 50 stations on the Billboard and Mediabase panels that haven't even added this one yet so I think that right there shows that a lot of PD's don't really want to take a risk by spinning this, and I doubt that this came as a surprise to BMLG. In short: yes, I definitely think that BMLG was very aware that "Vacation" struggling at radio was a very strong possibility.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Aug 4, 2016 10:16:03 GMT -5
Is it just me or does this sound kind of like a pop rap song from 2004? The triangles in the backbeat, the incessant name dropping, the slowed down vocals... I half expect him to say something about a milkshake.
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Post by sabre14 on Aug 4, 2016 11:38:21 GMT -5
The label will probably stick with this as long as programmers allow them since the song is a big seller but there's absolutely no way this will reach the top 20; I could see it petering out much sooner than that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2016 12:04:52 GMT -5
The label will probably stick with this as long as programmers allow them since the song is a big seller but there's absolutely no way this will reach the top 20; I could see it petering out much sooner than that. I know daily updates aren't exactly a great indicator, but between yesterday and today I almost wonder if the label is pulling back already. I mean, they were hoping to really break out TR with this album cycle (which they've done already) but why waste time promoting a song that isn't going to do much else? There are other options left on the album. Do they really care about $1.29 a pop that much?
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Post by sabre14 on Aug 4, 2016 12:18:57 GMT -5
The label will probably stick with this as long as programmers allow them since the song is a big seller but there's absolutely no way this will reach the top 20; I could see it petering out much sooner than that. I know daily updates aren't exactly a great indicator, but between yesterday and today I almost wonder if the label is pulling back already. I mean, they were hoping to really break out TR with this album cycle (which they've done already) but why waste time promoting a song that isn't going to do much else? There are other options left on the album. Do they really care about $1.29 a pop that much? The past 1-2 weeks of updates might be indicate "Live Forever" type situation here but it's still a young song, so right now, I might give the benefit of the doubt to Valory's promotion staff for sticking with it a while longer. Today's update wasn't too much to write home about since many songs had negative spin updates ("American Country Love Song", "Without A Fight", "Rock On", "Castaway", "I Know Somebody", "Sleep Without You", "Unlove You", "Livin' The Dream", "80s Mercedes", "If The Boot Fits", "Song For Another Time", "Make You Mine"). Again, I wouldn't be surprised if this one peters out soon but I do know for certainty it won't make it to the top 20 of the airplay charts.
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Post by Markus Meyer on Aug 4, 2016 13:40:58 GMT -5
I'm not particularly surprised this is struggling, but I at least thought it would get to the top-25... I wonder if this'll be the last single from this album or not. "Playing with Fire" certainly sounds like a mega-hit in the making, so for his sake I would go ahead and release that next.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2016 13:54:42 GMT -5
sabre14 is it often on MB we see nearly half the Top 50 lose some sort of audience/spins. Also I agree that "Playing With Fire" would be a big mega sized hit. It also plays into the current trend of male country singer and a female pop singer that has lately been the new go to thing in country music (when in reality it should be used to promote promising female newcomers, but that's a discussion for another day). But "Playing With Fire" has been one of the more buzzed about tracks on Thomas's album.
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Post by sabre14 on Aug 4, 2016 14:13:45 GMT -5
sabre14 is it often on MB we see nearly half the Top 50 lose some sort of audience/spins. Uh, noooo... Today, we saw roughly 10 singles lose 20 spins or more that are still being actively promoted to radio. That's not an everyday occurrence. Yes, songs regularly lose a few spins here and there, throughout the top 50 (and you know I know that) but today was a little different. "Sleep Without You" and "I Know Somebody" lost over 80 spins. "Livin' The Dream and "Unlove You" lost over 50 spins. "80s Mercedes" and "Song For Another Time" lost nearly 30 spins. "Castaway" lost 40 spins, along with "Vacation." You're telling me all those songs are in as much trouble as "Vacation"? All those songs except for "Vacation" and "Song For Another Time" (7 spins lost -- again, regular occurrence) gained spins yesterday. "Sleep Without You's" looks like a bi-product from its update 8 days ago where it gained roughly the same spin total, yet maintained audience (which is did here).
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Post by .indulgecountry on Aug 4, 2016 14:20:22 GMT -5
This did what it needed to do. Country music is largely all about the airplay but with an artist like Thomas Rhett, he didn't need for this one to be huge on that front, and it gave him/"Vacation" quite a bit of exposure already without turning into a smash radio hit. I liken this to "Keep It in the Sticks" for Brantley Gilbert; fan favorite, sold extremely well, but flamed out lower on the charts after several big hits and won't interrupt or hurt his momentum at all. It wouldn't surprise me for a fifth (and maybe a sixth?) single to still come out from this project and still be big hits at radio with this one being an anomaly. If the label cared about him stacking up a string of uninterrupted #1 hits or something, they wouldn't have released this, but I think in the grand scheme of things beyond looking at just radio, "Vacation" getting some extra exposure was probably well worth it for them.
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Post by dm2081 on Aug 4, 2016 14:20:57 GMT -5
"The Day You Stop Looking Back" needs to be next. For one thing, it's pretty country sounding and might be able to help get Rhett back in Country Radio's good graces. Also, it's the perfect ballad heading into the winter months. I agree with others that "Playing With Fire" sounds like a hit as well, but with all the other duets out now, Rhett might look more like a trend chaser, despite his song actually coming out first.
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Post by Kentucky25 on Aug 4, 2016 16:59:46 GMT -5
"The Day You Stop Looking Back" needs to be next. For one thing, it's pretty country sounding and might be able to help get Rhett back in Country Radio's good graces. Also, it's the perfect ballad heading into the winter months. I agree with others that "Playing With Fire" sounds like a hit as well, but with all the other duets out now, Rhett might look more like a trend chaser, despite his song actually coming out first. This, or even "Learned it From the Radio" which feels like a smash hit. With the way the album era has gone though, I expect "Single Girl" (not terrible) or "Playing with Fire" (looking for crossover success clearly).
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