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Post by Ty on Mar 19, 2018 21:34:46 GMT -5
I won't say I'm surprised by the situation. I'm sure Lauren and Normani will stay relevant for a while, since Lauren got an enormous social media presence and Normani a solid management deal. I do like Dinah but she will have to struggle a lot to find her identity as a celebrity. And Ally, the "Perfect" song is great but apparently she's not going to get the promotion and industrial support like her bandmates.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 22:13:25 GMT -5
I'm shook...said no one Expected
Little Mix is the only girl group in mnd that has been going string for years without any internal problems Hence why I love them
Still pressed that Down was a single let alone THE LEAD SINGLE. He Like That was shelved so hard that it hurts Even then, their record had better tracks than Down Make You Mad, Deliver, etc
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Post by Ty on Mar 19, 2018 22:22:41 GMT -5
Apart from the misstep of picking "Down," what made me furious about more is the way their label handled that album - when Camila got 4 singles, multiple featured songs, a bunch of presence on big playlists, all before the album release, and 5H only got 1 with minimal promotion and their album rush-released.
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Post by tinawina on Mar 19, 2018 22:52:38 GMT -5
Apart from the misstep of picking "Down," what made me furious about more is the way their label handled that album - when Camila got 4 singles, multiple featured songs, a bunch of presence on big playlists, all before the album release, and 5H only got 1 with minimal promotion and their album rush-released. To be fair Camila had a track record at pop with and without the group at the time she was signed as a solo. None of the other ladies had sang lead on a hit before, so I get why Camila was launched with backing. I say this even though at the time I thought of her as “the unlikeable skinny one with the annoying voice” lol. But the numbers are the numbers. It is a business after all. That said the label did treat post-Camila 5H like trash. They didn’t evern pretend to care, which sucks. I am actually rooting for all of them to find their niche but I need to hear evidence of a distinctive vocal sound for radio. Normani pulled it off IMO (thank goodness, I was rooting for her).. But they all tended to sound generic to me on 5H songs. That may have been by design so there’s hope.
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Post by forg on Mar 19, 2018 23:19:52 GMT -5
I watched them from X Factor and when they found some success I was really rooting for them. Too bad the end was messy. Yeah they could comeback at some point but I think this is really it for the group. They had a good run
Good luck to the girls!
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Post by Snowbeast on Mar 20, 2018 4:02:22 GMT -5
This. Why are people surprised? Ah, but you already know most Camila fans are going to twist it like this makes 5H hypocritical for not agreeing to the hiatus Camila wanted. Even though anyone with a brain could see that a hiatus after the second album would have spelled death for the group and for the remaining members' solo careers. And maybe waiting until now would have meant death for Camilla’s solo career. This industry is timing, and if she saw her window and went for it, good for her. She isn’t responsible for anyone’s career but her own.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 8:31:46 GMT -5
Ah, but you already know most Camila fans are going to twist it like this makes 5H hypocritical for not agreeing to the hiatus Camila wanted. Even though anyone with a brain could see that a hiatus after the second album would have spelled death for the group and for the remaining members' solo careers. And maybe waiting until now would have meant death for Camilla’s solo career. This industry is timing, and if she saw her window and went for it, good for her. She isn’t responsible for anyone’s career but her own. That's kind of my point though - if it's okay for Camila to look out for her own interests, why is it not ok for the other four to try to fight for theirs? That is, there is nothing hypocritical about 5H trying to convince Camila to stay at the time (when they reasonably feared her leaving would prevent them from releasing another album**), but now being okay with a 'break' (when it's now a more beneficial option for everyone). I also don't believe 5H had an issue with Camila releasing more one-off singles so it's not like they were asking her to put her own career completely on ice, but that's neither here nor there. It really just came down to, for whatever reason, Epic believing that Camila can't thrive unless 5H fails, with Camila herself maybe not buying that but also not being a team player so not really giving af either way. Meanwhile 5H believed it didn't need to be a zero-sum game. So of course there was going to be a battle of "best interests," but neither side was wrong for taking on that fight. That's what Camila's fans refuse to concede. They think, 'well the label chose Camila so the other girls should have just gotten out the way and filled out that McDonald's app since she already won.' Mannnn f**k alla dat! Those girls were supposed to fight and anyone who doesn't agree doesn't love themselves as much as they think they do, b/c any sane person in their position would have fought for what they want, too. It's just more fun to imagine being in Camila's position because it's so much easier to justify being a winner than being a survivor. Gah, all that said just to add that Camila leaving early was ironically probably better for the other four in the long run. If she'd stayed the third album would have been 80% her vocals, none of them would have been able to get any creative control, and at the end of it Camila is still the only one who would have had any gas in her solo career. **I feel like it wouldn't have been such an issue if all the girls had been on their game and networking at the same time. Since Camila was the only one doing anything for real, they looked like slackers in comparison. But IMO 5H were being derailed majorly by their former team b/c none of them were really making any notable industry connections while Camila was landing features and had like half an album done before they even realized what was really happening.
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Post by esoteric76 on Mar 20, 2018 10:10:04 GMT -5
Interesting article on Vulture: www.vulture.com/2018/03/fifth-harmony-break-up-explained.htmlFifth Harmony Was Never Built to Last Group acts in pop have always been unstable compounds. Even when the pieces fit, the blowup is inevitable. It can happen many ways. The management can be so corrupt that it’s intolerable, for one. Lou Pearlman, the former manager for Backstreet Boys, ‘N Sync, and virtually every boy band in the ’90s ended up being sued by most of the groups he managed for gross financial chicanery. Sometimes the group just runs out of steam: Witness the fate of the Spice Girls, who sank out of sight almost as rapidly as they’d risen. And then there’s dissension. Fame magnifies imbalances in talent and, as intramural tensions grow, the allure of a solo career becomes irresistible. Justin Timberlake and Beyoncé are the classic examples, but the most recent instance is that of Camila Cabello, who struck out from Fifth Harmony to achieve even greater success on her own. Meanwhile, the remainder of Fifth Harmony has taken Cabello’s acrimonious parting rather less well. Today the quartet announced that it would be suspending operations until further notice. Along with One Direction, Fifth Harmony had been the defining pop group of its generation; the end of both in the last three years now raises questions about what could follow them. Pop groups have always been ephemeral by nature, but it’s not impossible that the pop group itself, as a general format, is no longer viable. Few types of acts have been more reliant on the music industry than the pop group. With the partial exception of family-based units like the Jonas Brothers or 98 Degrees, its chemistry has always been entirely artificial, and the rise to stardom of any given group is rarely organic. The members’ contribution to their own artistic direction is secondary; all considerations of quality are tied to market appeal. It follows that the relative weakening of the music industry over the past two decades has dampened the prospects for aspiring boy bands and girl groups, plus their managers. Though the industry remains powerful by objective standards, its ability to dictate tastes has fallen off considerably due to the internet. Even if a group is loaded into the catapult, there’s no way to ensure that it hits its mark. It’s telling that Fifth Harmony, One Direction, and the Jonas Brothers came to the industry only after having gained great visibility through television: 5H and 1D were forged on The X-Factor while the Jonases were graduates of the Disney Channel. Yet as streaming services eat away at the audience for television, particularly among the young, even television seems like less of a sure road to music stardom. It’s telling that a fledgling boy band like Why Don’t We owes most of its recognition to their affiliation with big-league YouTube vlogger Logan Paul rather than publicity arranged by music-business publicists, or that Paul’s brother and fellow YouTube celebrity, Jake Paul, could land his posse Team 10 on the Billboard charts with a song named after Jake’s catchphrase, “It’s Everyday Bro.” To say that Team 10 qualify as a musical act would be generous, but they’re the closest thing to a future model for the pop group that we have at this point, which is a nice way of saying that there may be no future at all. And then there’s the state of pop itself, which seems more and more like a saccharine sub-variant of rap than the main attraction for the masses. Pop groups thrive on the spotlight and the spotlight only, but as pop is progressively eclipsed by hip-hop on streaming, it’s evident that however well individual solo acts adjust to the new environment, any new pop group will have a hard time gaining traction. Who needs the next Jonas Brothers when the Migos already exist? Why invest time and money to invent five different characters for a girl group when Cardi B is realer than anyone the industry can manufacture? Of course, the prospects for the pop group are hardly dire everywhere in the world. For at least a decade, the liveliest girl groups and boy bands have come out of South Korea, where a rising economy and a relative absence of competition has made fresh-faced acts like BTS, BIGBANG, Wonder Girls, and 2NE1 not only major stars in their own country but superstars within much of East Asia. Backed by ferocious fan hives with access to the world’s fastest internet, K-pop groups sit at the peak of the Korean music industry. And though the music industry abroad is no less exploitative and groups are no less prone to dissolution, it’s still a given in Seoul that when one group goes down, another one, just as big if not bigger, will soon replace it. As far as a successor to Fifth Harmony goes, though, we’ll believe it only when we see it.
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Post by think pink. on Mar 22, 2018 23:32:46 GMT -5
Fifth Harmony split as Camila Cabello was ‘getting first dibs on all hits’
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2018 1:07:07 GMT -5
^On a scale of TMZ to MediaTakeOut what is Metro.co.uk's reliability rating?
I mean, it's highly believable. OTOH Epic was so obviously disinterested in 5H that I'm not sure we should be conflating Camila getting first option on all hits with 5H getting the last option on all hits. Like, Zara Larsson would probably have been better able to get a hit song before 5H would at this point.
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Post by think pink. on Mar 23, 2018 1:26:34 GMT -5
They get exclusives from time to time. I'd say they're about as reliable as US Weekly lol.
But I posted it bc I think it's true tbh. Lauren already alluded to the label sabotaging them in her thank you's on the last album.
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Post by SHOOTER on Mar 23, 2018 1:40:14 GMT -5
That scenario actually makes a lot of sense all things considered.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Mar 26, 2018 12:41:05 GMT -5
They couldn't depend on the label for anything.
On to other things Lauren made her appearance with Aoki at Ultra this weekend and is going on tour with Halsey during her Latin America leg. Sis is making moves. Edit: Add Playboy spread and interview to that!
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Mar 27, 2018 0:16:09 GMT -5
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Post by tinawina on Mar 27, 2018 8:13:35 GMT -5
So I had typed a whole thing in the Camilla thread that I intended to copy/paste here instead but I got distracted. Squirrel!!! Heh.
TL:DR Version: I would like the other 4 to successfully find their niche especially Normani & Lauren but the market is tough so I'm nervous for them all.
Not surprised by the confirmation of the label's behavior. It was pretty obvious.
Lauren looks hot with all that thigh meat hanging out. LOL. And go Ally! The funny thing is her and Dinah have the best voices but they are the two whose names I struggle to remember the most LOL. I hope they can change that.
Camila is out first with all the backing in the world, and good for her even if I don't completely get it. However the others deserve a fair shot too so I hope good things and good people come their way.
This will be fun but nerve wracking to track.
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Post by think pink. on Mar 27, 2018 15:19:30 GMT -5
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Post by Choco on Mar 27, 2018 17:10:52 GMT -5
I'm a bit surprised at how quickly they're going their separate ways. Normani is already well into recording her first album and Lauren is already doing some tour dates with Halsey as a solo artist.
Then again they've probably known for a while that this was happening (i.e. around the self-titled's release, most likely)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2018 19:43:38 GMT -5
I'm a bit surprised at how quickly they're going their separate ways. Normani is already well into recording her first album and Lauren is already doing some tour dates with Halsey as a solo artist. Then again they've probably known for a while that this was happening (i.e. around the self-titled's release, most likely) Normani is the most surprising of all because she was the last one out of the gate with an outside release, yet it already feels like she is the one who has gained the most ground so far. She has her own management team and publishing imprint, and we've been updated on her recording process; that's a lot for less than a year of time. I peeked in her fan appreciation thread at LSA the other day and there is a rumor that she's been cast in the Bobby Brown biopic, which if true is a solid book. Dinah has done the least that I can tell, and I'm concerned for her. Ally's been more low-profile in comparison to Normani and Lauren, but still, she's been at several events on her own (WEDay, that Oscars pre-show thing, etc.) - Maverick is keeping her busy.
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Post by jdanton2 on Apr 6, 2018 15:25:26 GMT -5
5H posted this on March 28th.could be a hint of something coming before the hiatus. also a snippet of a new song leaked today which is a ballad with lyrics that could be about the hiatus. clyp.it/u1dj2hbl
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Apr 8, 2018 19:02:32 GMT -5
Lauren is currently in the studio Normani is currently in the studio Ally is currently in the studio Dinah...
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Post by Ling-Ling on Apr 9, 2018 8:46:26 GMT -5
Lauren is currently in the studio Normani is currently in the studio Ally is currently in the studio Dinah... is mopping the floors in the studio Hey, it worked for Evelyn 'Champagne' King!
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Post by Choco on Apr 9, 2018 13:11:18 GMT -5
If we're getting a goodbye single it better be a banger like Worth It, He Like That or Work From Home and not some corny ballad.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Apr 19, 2018 6:06:42 GMT -5
Now all 4 have ramped up their studio sessions.
Dinah Jane is in Bali recording with Priscilla Renae, Noah Cyrus, and Oak Lauren was in the studio with Diplo last weekend and should have music to premiere during her opening slot with Halsey in June. Normani is working with the same producers from the past two albums (The Monsters and the Strangerz, The Stereotypes, Tayla Parx, Ester Dean, etc.) and will be hitting the studio with Missy soon.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on May 18, 2018 7:50:47 GMT -5
And that's that on that.
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Post by Ty on May 18, 2018 9:25:09 GMT -5
Sadly their last album didn't pan out in the best possible form. But it's been a joy ride. As a fan I'm happy to witness their growths after these years.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Jun 6, 2018 20:51:40 GMT -5
I'm going to create a thread for Lauren because she's stomping on her opening gig for Halsey in South America. She previewed three songs and this one is the most memorable.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Aug 13, 2018 1:07:38 GMT -5
Ally is officially signed to Atlantic Records. Also working with JWhite Did It who produces a lot of Cardi’s music including I Like It and Bodak Yellow.
Lauren's label announcement is coming soon and should be Columbia Records. Dina got all of them girls out of Epic Records.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Aug 16, 2018 14:32:04 GMT -5
Dinah has signed to LA Reid's new label Hitco
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 17:34:02 GMT -5
I want to throw a brick at Dinah Jane's head wtf is she thinking
If Ally could make it onto Atlantic I know this chick could have gone somewhere decent...
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Post by SHOOTER on Aug 16, 2018 22:34:22 GMT -5
Maybe it’s good she signed to somewhere that will allow her to be focused on and utilized as a flagship artist. I’m sure her deal was decent and she’ll definitely have major label-type resources at her disposal. She was going to have the biggest uphill climb as a solo artist of the 4 of them anyway so it might be to her advantage being on a label where the playing field isn’t crowded.
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