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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Feb 11, 2018 21:53:23 GMT -5
It’s what she deserves.
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Post by Joe1240 on Feb 11, 2018 23:57:35 GMT -5
LWYMMD aside, I don’t think the problem is the music at all. She’s just reached overexposure so nothing they put out is going to connect right now. Obviously Taylor is at the point where she doesn’t need promotion so that’s not a valid reason. She’s probably going to take a break after this era and go back to her roots. There’s no real point for them to release anything else from this era and I think it could actually do more harm since the problem is her actual presence rn. How can Taylor reach overexposure when this is the most low key she has been out of any era with hardly any new Photoshoots etc. Only within our fandom we see Taylor stuff a lot but outside of the fandom is other artists like Camila Cabello,Dua Lipa and Halsey who are everywhere at the moment.
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Post by Dylan :) on Feb 12, 2018 2:04:33 GMT -5
Again, I get Camilla, but I don’t get how Dua Lipa having one hit song (in the US, two internationally) and Halsey having two hits (one a feature) = them being everywhere and (as others have said) the next it girls. That’s like saying fun. after We Are Young and Some Nights were now the it band who were everywhere
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 2:10:39 GMT -5
I honestly think her team should just call it a day and end things now. No good will come from releasing anything else from this album. The writings on the wall, radio doesn't care for this album so just let it go.
Taylor doesn't care anymore anyways so why should anyone else really. Just focus on TS7 for a 2019 release.
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Post by alestevens on Feb 12, 2018 2:13:21 GMT -5
I fully believe Dont Blame Me is the only chance at a hit she has left. It's relatable, it's not that hard on the ears and is a bit more traditional sounding.
But as long as they keep releasing singles / videos they can release whatever, i'm fine as long as they don't cut the era short!
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Post by Snowbeast on Feb 12, 2018 2:18:38 GMT -5
Maybe the success of Taylor lies in the fact that she can appeal the masses with both indie tracks and CHR smashes. I'm not gonna lie, I love her pop material but it's in tracks like State Of Grace and Holy Ground where she really shines. Maybe that's why reputation isn't as big as her 2 previous albums, except for songs like CIWYW this album isn't really anything new nor does it appeal indie crowds like 1989 and Red did. She is struggling because so far she is lacking a radio hit and mesmerizing album tracks like All Too Well. Maybe the new direction for her lies exactly on her old direction after all. What’s more surprising is her COMPLETE disregard for anything remotely country this era, and that’s the real current trend. We’ve seen everyone from Gaga, Kesha and Miley embrace the country/folk wave, and it would have been a shoe in for her country comeback charttoppers. This record is kind of special because it’s purposeful. It’s purposefully isolated from trends. It’s purposefully not promoted. It’s purpsefully confusing. She layed it all out in the liner notes. From now on, the music does the talking. It’s a career moment and we should take it for what it is.
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Post by tinawina on Feb 12, 2018 8:40:48 GMT -5
I honestly think her team should just call it a day and end things now. No good will come from releasing anything else from this album. The writings on the wall, radio doesn't care for this album so just let it go. Taylor doesn't care anymore anyways so why should anyone else really. Just focus on TS7 for a 2019 release. Radio has been very supportive. They spun everything out of the gate and have kept songs going even when the audience reaction was middling longer than other artists get under the same circumstances. I think this is way more about the audience reaction than radio's support.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Feb 12, 2018 9:16:58 GMT -5
It boils down quite simply to her shift in image and sound, both of which clearly aren't resonating strongly with audiences. I can't count the number of people in video reactions, forums, posts, various article comments, and in person I've seen speak of the shift in a negative context. "LWYMMD", and much of everything comprising this era, was very unexpected and completely different from what she built her success on. Hell, even I wasn't loving the album initially and found it aggressively "loud" (production particularly). I have heard a list of things like "trying to be a bad girl", "laughable rapping", and "dark" on loop since its release. When you take the risk and shake up your sound and simultaneously your image, you stand a good chance of it not sticking. Audiences quite obviously prefer a style aligned with old Taylor (which she killed from the jump). Once she returns to more familiar territory, she'll be back with stronger hits.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 14:51:36 GMT -5
I honestly think her team should just call it a day and end things now. No good will come from releasing anything else from this album. The writings on the wall, radio doesn't care for this album so just let it go. Taylor doesn't care anymore anyways so why should anyone else really. Just focus on TS7 for a 2019 release. Radio has been very supportive. They spun everything out of the gate and have kept songs going even when the audience reaction was middling longer than other artists get under the same circumstances. I think this is way more about the audience reaction than radio's support. I remember hearing radio personalities in my city talk about how they didn't like the image and sound of the reputation album but they still loved Taylor. I think radio was supportive because of her previous era was so massive radio wise. I should have said "radio audiences" didn't care for this album but I also think programmers didn't care for it either and just played it because it was Taylor Swift. If this were any other pop girl in the game, this would have been a trainwreck. I personally like the album. It's different and makes a statement. But if she wants to stay at the top of the charts, she has to put something audiences want like all her previous albums. I'm not sure she really cares anymore. She was always hyper vigilant about charts and her position as a star but I really think she doesn't give a poop anymore. I can see her just disappearing and getting married and start having a family. She's probably also exhausted and needs a break. I totally get that too. I just wish she did a little more promotion instead of almost nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 15:26:16 GMT -5
LWYMMD aside, I don’t think the problem is the music at all. She’s just reached overexposure so nothing they put out is going to connect right now. Obviously Taylor is at the point where she doesn’t need promotion so that’s not a valid reason. She’s probably going to take a break after this era and go back to her roots. There’s no real point for them to release anything else from this era and I think it could actually do more harm since the problem is her actual presence rn. How can Taylor reach overexposure when this is the most low key she has been out of any era with hardly any new Photoshoots etc. Only within our fandom we see Taylor stuff a lot but outside of the fandom is other artists like Camila Cabello,Dua Lipa and Halsey who are everywhere at the moment. She's lowkey right now I'm sure for that very reason. She acknowledged in the past that she was close to oversaturation/exposure (actually a few months before the album came out) and when LWYMMD hit felt like the exact moment when she reached it. In a lot of ways it's almost a mirrored situation with the BTW era like @oprah pointed out, minus Gaga maybe promoting it more (which probably actually hurt more than helped). Anytime an artist's image becomes the focal point, that's when people will get tired easier and as most people have pointed out, her current persona is the most polarizing. Granted with the negativity surrounding her name last year, you almost can't fault her for trying to gain control of it all. I'm not sure if she could have gotten away with just ignoring all the bad press and pretending to be the good girl like she has before. This was all kinda inevitable.
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Post by tinawina on Feb 12, 2018 15:30:56 GMT -5
I remember hearing radio personalities in my city talk about how they didn't like the image and sound of the reputation album but they still loved Taylor. I think radio was supportive because of her previous era was so massive radio wise. I should have said "radio audiences" didn't care for this album but I also think programmers didn't care for it either and just played it because it was Taylor Swift. If this were any other pop girl in the game, this would have been a trainwreck. I personally like the album. It's different and makes a statement. But if she wants to stay at the top of the charts, she has to put something audiences want like all her previous albums. I'm not sure she really cares anymore. She was always hyper vigilant about charts and her position as a star but I really think she doesn't give a poop anymore. I can see her just disappearing and getting married and start having a family. She's probably also exhausted and needs a break. I totally get that too. I just wish she did a little more promotion instead of almost nothing. Oh okay, I see where you are coming from now. I agree she had a lot of goodwill built on her past stellar record at making pop hits, more than anyone else would have gotten. I didn't mind that at all because I think she earned it. I can see radio people not liking it though even though they spun it. I liked about half the album. That said, I do think it could have stuck a little better if Taylor had gone out there tried to sell it. It was such a big shift that it needed some effort to bring people around. Still, I can see her being tired of the grind since she's been at it since 16 or so, correct? I mean she gave up the best years of being young to this industry. I am just gonig to wait and see what moves she makes from here.
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Post by Choco on Feb 12, 2018 20:00:40 GMT -5
Even the biggest fans of the album can probably agree that this isn't one of the best songs on it. Without the feature it'd have been filler (or cut from the album).
I'm curious about what they're going to do next. Another single at the very least to carry the album into the tour for sure. They need to be very careful.
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Post by thewp on Feb 12, 2018 20:04:28 GMT -5
Are people assuming she no longer cares about charts and numbers because she’s done nothing to combat the state of things? I think she’s as neurotic and controlling as ever and is probably pissed. Maybe she doesn’t want to put herself out there and sell it if the songs will still bomb?
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Post by Blank Space on Feb 12, 2018 20:21:18 GMT -5
They should genuinely try Gorgeous as the next single. There’s nothing to lose anymore. It’s very lighthearted and fun, especially headed into Spring.
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Post by nickd on Feb 12, 2018 20:43:23 GMT -5
How can Taylor reach overexposure when this is the most low key she has been out of any era with hardly any new Photoshoots etc. Only within our fandom we see Taylor stuff a lot but outside of the fandom is other artists like Camila Cabello,Dua Lipa and Halsey who are everywhere at the moment. She's lowkey right now I'm sure for that very reason. She acknowledged in the past that she was close to oversaturation/exposure (actually a few months before the album came out) and when LWYMMD hit felt like the exact moment when she reached it. In a lot of ways it's almost a mirrored situation with the BTW era like @oprah pointed out, minus Gaga maybe promoting it more (which probably actually hurt more than helped). Anytime an artist's image becomes the focal point, that's when people will get tired easier and as most people have pointed out, her current persona is the most polarizing. Granted with the negativity surrounding her name last year, you almost can't fault her for trying to gain control of it all. I'm not sure if she could have gotten away with just ignoring all the bad press and pretending to be the good girl like she has before. This was all kinda inevitable. She actually mentioned overexposure in her phone call with Kanye so some time before Famous came out in Feb 2016. Anyways, my impression was that the narrative of her being a snake play the victim and writing about failed relationships all the time gained enough traction that she had to do something. I'm not sure how well her music and videos achieved that (I never bought into that narrative so...), but even if it didn't, being kind out of the public spotlight will work too, and then she can go back to doing whatever she wants with her next era.
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Post by nickd on Feb 12, 2018 21:16:19 GMT -5
I remember hearing radio personalities in my city talk about how they didn't like the image and sound of the reputation album but they still loved Taylor. I think radio was supportive because of her previous era was so massive radio wise. I should have said "radio audiences" didn't care for this album but I also think programmers didn't care for it either and just played it because it was Taylor Swift. If this were any other pop girl in the game, this would have been a trainwreck. I personally like the album. It's different and makes a statement. But if she wants to stay at the top of the charts, she has to put something audiences want like all her previous albums. I'm not sure she really cares anymore. She was always hyper vigilant about charts and her position as a star but I really think she doesn't give a poop anymore. I can see her just disappearing and getting married and start having a family. She's probably also exhausted and needs a break. I totally get that too. I just wish she did a little more promotion instead of almost nothing. Oh okay, I see where you are coming from now. I agree she had a lot of goodwill built on her past stellar record at making pop hits, more than anyone else would have gotten. I didn't mind that at all because I think she earned it. I can see radio people not liking it though even though they spun it. I liked about half the album. That said, I do think it could have stuck a little better if Taylor had gone out there tried to sell it. It was such a big shift that it needed some effort to bring people around. Still, I can see her being tired of the grind since she's been at it since 16 or so, correct? I mean she gave up the best years of being young to this industry. I am just gonig to wait and see what moves she makes from here. Yeah, she definitely didn't have a normal life from the time she started doing radio tours promoting Tim McGraw in summer 2006. Even before though, she was pretty busy, she got a demo record deal at age 13 and a song publishing deal at age 14 so she was working on that during her free time in grade 9-10, and she was also performing in bars in grade 10 (also at NAMM 2005, her first recorded show performing her own songs), and left her original label for Big Machine when she was in grade 10 too. I'm not sure what she was doing exactly from Fall 2005 to Spring 2006 when she was 15-16. She was home schooled after grade 11 so maybe that's when she did her grade 11-12 online while also recording her album so that when it was time to promote Tim McGraw she could focus on that full time.
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Post by nickd on Feb 12, 2018 21:24:20 GMT -5
Even the biggest fans of the album can probably agree that this isn't one of the best songs on it. Without the feature it'd have been filler (or cut from the album). I'm curious about what they're going to do next. Another single at the very least to carry the album into the tour for sure. They need to be very careful. There was a poll on her subreddit where over 700 fans got to cast 7 votes for their favourite Taylor Swift songs. There were still 49 that had End Game in their top 7, but that only ranked End Game as #10 from Reputation and tied for #37 overall. Reputation songs with the most votes were 170 Delicate 159 Getaway Car 112 I Did Something Bad 101 Call It What You Want 87 Don't Blame Me 57 Dress 55 New Year's Day 53 King of My Heart 53 Dancing With Our Hands Tied 49 End Game 43 This Is Why We Can't Have Nice Things 39 ...Ready For It? 27 So It Goes... 19 Gorgeous 19 Look What You Made Me Do Top songs from the rest of her discography 357 All Too Well 189 Enchanted 160 Style 158 Blank Space 146 Wildest Dreams 137 New Romantics 125 State of Grace 121 Clean 117 Love Story 108 Sparks Fly
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Post by austin on Feb 13, 2018 9:57:42 GMT -5
All Too Well not being the second single instead of Begin Again will always make me go hmmmm
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Post by Exclusive on Feb 13, 2018 10:26:51 GMT -5
No Kim K gif?
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Post by mediabase on Feb 13, 2018 12:28:03 GMT -5
15 -2 TAYLOR SWIFT End Game f/Ed ... 7045 -490 -1992 -470 31.840 -2.282
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Feb 13, 2018 14:46:31 GMT -5
She has had two singles with insane drops once they've peaked, but yes, I am sure there will be loads of amazement when it happens for a third time.
"Delicate" or bust. It clearly has had the best reception out of anything on the album and is much less abrasive than anything released thus far. Regardless, this era is essentially done.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 13, 2018 17:23:42 GMT -5
IMO this era feels like all her eras before 1989 High debuts everywhere Not so great chart life for most of the songs Maybe one or two real hits from the era. Eh, I would argue "We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together" and "I Knew You Were Trouble" were bigger mainstream hits than "Look What You Made Me Do" and (certainly) "Ready For It." That's in addition to the point already made about those albums having country hits. Those earlier albums also seemed better received, and more so her career was on the rise with those albums, whereas reputation feels like a decline.
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Post by Exclusive on Feb 13, 2018 18:14:12 GMT -5
IMO this era feels like all her eras before 1989 High debuts everywhere Not so great chart life for most of the songs Maybe one or two real hits from the era. Eh, I would argue "We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together" and "I Knew You Were Trouble" were bigger mainstream hits than "Look What You Made Me Do" and (certainly) "Ready For It." That's in addition to the point already made about those albums having country hits. Those earlier albums also seemed better received, and more so her career was on the rise with those albums, whereas reputation feels like a decline. He’s talking about her singles
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 13, 2018 19:14:13 GMT -5
Eh, I would argue "We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together" and "I Knew You Were Trouble" were bigger mainstream hits than "Look What You Made Me Do" and (certainly) "Ready For It." That's in addition to the point already made about those albums having country hits. Those earlier albums also seemed better received, and more so her career was on the rise with those albums, whereas reputation feels like a decline. He’s talking about her singles He wrote "eras" multiple times.
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Post by deepston on Feb 13, 2018 19:19:27 GMT -5
Wow this is the 58th page of this thread. SLAY
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Post by Choco on Feb 13, 2018 20:43:51 GMT -5
She has had two singles with insane drops once they've peaked, but yes, I am sure there will be loads of amazement when it happens for a third time. If anything, three in a row doesn't mean anyone is going to get used to this happening. I don't think any act has had three songs in a row plummet so hard.
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Post by beachboi69 on Feb 13, 2018 21:43:29 GMT -5
Maybe her best option is to not release anymore singles from this album. She gets the worst female pop call out scores with all the singles she released so far or almost dead last. Radio gave her a shot three times in a row and the GP said No...
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Feb 13, 2018 22:32:27 GMT -5
She has had two singles with insane drops once they've peaked, but yes, I am sure there will be loads of amazement when it happens for a third time. If anything, three in a row doesn't mean anyone is going to get used to this happening. I don't think any act has had three songs in a row plummet so hard. Weeeeeell, I think this era has proved to be a series of firsts. The first single has the record for the largest drop on pop radio and the second wasn't far behind that feat and both were a result of what? Bad callout scores trickling in. The point you quoted that I was making was that anyone who has been following the trajectory of this album (not "other" artists collectively) should not be shocked that a third single, following two singles that were killed in the blink of an eye due to poor callout, should be shocked at these large drops following.....poor callout. It would be like an album producing three singles that didn't reach the top 40 and people being shocked the fourth didn't reach top 10. Patterns, people.
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Post by Glove Slap on Feb 14, 2018 0:49:41 GMT -5
On paper, this achieved similar peaks to 22, but while that song seems like it was a bigger success in retrospect, time will likely have the opposite effect on this.
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Post by mediabase on Feb 14, 2018 18:06:24 GMT -5
16 -1 TAYLOR SWIFT End Game f/Ed ...
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