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Post by mediabase on Feb 15, 2018 9:36:12 GMT -5
17 -1 TAYLOR SWIFT End Game f/Ed ... 5774 -717 -2987 -554 25.319 -3.354
Oh god... -717 today.
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Post by rickroller on Feb 15, 2018 9:43:58 GMT -5
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Post by Choco on Feb 15, 2018 12:16:27 GMT -5
I'd say someplace, somewhere, Katy Perry is rejoicing... but then again, Witness happened so...
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Post by Bwol on Feb 15, 2018 12:17:11 GMT -5
D E L I C A T E plz
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Post by Normi on Feb 15, 2018 12:18:12 GMT -5
This song might have been her end game...
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Post by kcdawg13 on Feb 15, 2018 12:19:17 GMT -5
Wow radio hates her
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Post by Au$tin on Feb 15, 2018 12:19:20 GMT -5
KPU - Massive updates where songs race up the charts with multiple +300/400/500 updates. Named after Katy Perry's Teenage Dream and PRISM eras.
TSU - Massive updates where song free fall down the charts with multiple -400/500/600 updates. Named after Taylor Swift's reputation era.
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Post by Au$tin on Feb 15, 2018 12:23:07 GMT -5
On the contrary, all three singles raced up the airplay charts upon release with two of them taking off well before their actual adds dates. Radio isn't the problem. They're willing. It's the listeners. Her streaming and sales are lackluster for the singles and the call out scores aren't very good at all. Basically, radio stans her and sends her up to the upper regions of their playlists quickly, but once they get word of their listeners not liking it, they drop it even faster. "Oops, my bad, we thought you guys would like this, we're sorry."
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Post by theflying on Feb 15, 2018 12:35:01 GMT -5
Yeah, the music isn't connecting with the listeners. It's not that hard to figure out.
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Post by Oprah on Feb 15, 2018 12:55:48 GMT -5
On the contrary, all three singles raced up the airplay charts upon release with two of them taking off well before their actual adds dates. Radio isn't the problem. They're willing. It's the listeners. Her streaming and sales are lackluster for the singles and the call out scores aren't very good at all. Basically, radio stans her and sends her up to the upper regions of their playlists quickly, but once they get word of their listeners not liking it, they drop it even faster. "Oops, my bad, we thought you guys would like this, we're sorry." It's easier to cope with the idea of radio having a vendetta than the general public hating her.
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Post by kcdawg13 on Feb 15, 2018 13:08:03 GMT -5
I'm with the general public somewhat, I love all 3 of these songs but the whole bad girl shtick is tired. Look What You Made Me Do was a strong lead single but they should of followed it up with something less aggressive like Delicate or Getaway Car. Many people blame LWYMMD for killing the era, but the blame needs to be put on Ready For It. Releasing those songs back to back was a bad idea overall and basically killed her likability for radio listeners.
She needs to let this song burn for a couple months and release something more Old Taylor like for spring/summer, I heard that IDSB is gonna be the next single which is a really bad idea and Taylor will not get another hit from this era if she goes forward with the decision.
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Post by mediabase on Feb 15, 2018 13:09:42 GMT -5
People just dislike the songs. It's simple.
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Post by Mark on Feb 15, 2018 18:38:42 GMT -5
Yeah, even being a Taylor stan, it is pretty simple. The songs just aren't connecting and clearly most people think they aren't good. I can count on one hand the number of times I've listened to End Game since its release. It has 0 replay value for me and even being a huge fan of hers, I never want to listen to it, whether it is on the radio or on Spotify. I can say the same for Ready For It, and, to a lesser extent, LWYMMD. I think I forced myself to like that one because Taylor was 'back.' But I haven't listened to it since the album release week.
There's no radio vendetta, no conspiracy, nothing. She just needs better material. Whether that is her old sound or something else entirely, it just needs to be good and she'll be fine. ETA: There ARE good songs on reputation, she just has yet to release them.
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Post by DJ General on Feb 15, 2018 19:31:14 GMT -5
Look and Ready both should never have been released. If this was the first single, it would have been a much bigger success.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Feb 15, 2018 19:34:27 GMT -5
On the contrary, all three singles raced up the airplay charts upon release with two of them taking off well before their actual adds dates. Radio isn't the problem. They're willing. It's the listeners. Her streaming and sales are lackluster for the singles and the call out scores aren't very good at all. Basically, radio stans her and sends her up to the upper regions of their playlists quickly, but once they get word of their listeners not liking it, they drop it even faster. "Oops, my bad, we thought you guys would like this, we're sorry." It's easier to cope with the idea of radio having a vendetta than the general public hating her. Yeah, both of these are exaggerative extremes. Her new sound and direction just isn't clicking from this era. It's as simple as that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 21:15:56 GMT -5
I’ve never been a Taylor stan at all but I liked a lot of her previous singles and even loved a bunch of songs from 1989.
I just really don’t like this song or most of the songs of the album. I liked LWYMMD enough (or at least the first half of it), really love the hook of Ready for It, and think Getaway Car is a beautif L song on par with the brilliance of 1989... but that’s it.
This kinda music just ain’t it for Taylor. She’s still young enough and has a big enough fan base that she’ll recover, though.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 21:49:49 GMT -5
This whole era is reminding me of Meghan Trainor's "Thank You". The album and singles started off strong due to the hype and radio's willingness to play the songs, but eventually the backlash and bad callout scores come in, and everything completely crashes after a few weeks.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 22:59:54 GMT -5
It's easier to cope with the idea of radio having a vendetta than the general public hating her. Yeah, both of these are exaggerative extremes. Her new sound and direction just isn't clicking from this era. It's as simple as that. No sound or direction would click for at the same level of her previous releases this time. She was overexposed and we build our divas up to hate them, happens to any girl that becomes huge in the pop world. Obviously, we all use hyperbole in these discussions and Taylor is still doing great compared to everyone else, for now, but it would have taken self-awareness a miracle for this era not to experience a significant decline in interest from the general public. I'm not saying this as a diss to her at all it's just literally the cycle of life in the pop world. She's in a much better place than most of the other girls are when this happened because she's built herself this massive fanbase that is devoted to her and that's incredibly valuable and allows her natural decline to be much less detrimental to her career and its chances for longevity than other girls who only have the GPs interest but barely any die hards. It's pretty simple but it has a lot more to do with her than it does her music, which btw, I would find reassuring as a fan knowing my diva is still releasing music I love and isn't hated, the GP has just cooled on her, it's much better problem to have than her music steeply declining in quality, the reviews have all been good and most girls get their music dragged through the dirt when the backlash kicks in. This isn't her Witness or Artpop era, but it's definitely her Prismand Born This Way era so the next era is going to be a uphill battle if she/her team don't want to see another huge decline (all relative of course in case someone tries to nitpick this)
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Post by survivorqt on Feb 16, 2018 1:08:28 GMT -5
I feel old, I would have said this was her “my December” era. She should definitely play it safe next album and have a back to basics approach, pun intended
I did suggest she go rhythmic back in 2015 but the themes of “reputation” did not connect. I expected Ariana grande and Rihanna type of material
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Post by ILLUSION on Feb 16, 2018 5:41:14 GMT -5
Wow, this is actually a bop too. I just don't think people are super into her new image/style.
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Post by Naos on Feb 16, 2018 5:48:04 GMT -5
Someone probably mentioned this... but it's losing over 1100 spins in overall AI? Holy crap. It's "Filthy" levels of falling.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 8:22:37 GMT -5
I feel old, I would have said this was her “my December” era. She should definitely play it safe next album and have a back to basics approach, pun intended I did suggest she go rhythmic back in 2015 but the themes of “reputation” did not connect. I expected Ariana grande and Rihanna type of material Don't feel old, just feel wrong because this is not a "My December" era. She didn't get into a media war with Scott Borchetta/receive no label support/turn goth/have to cancel her original tour and plan a smaller one. There are better comparisons girl.
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Post by NeRD on Feb 16, 2018 8:57:27 GMT -5
I feel old, I would have said this was her “my December” era. She should definitely play it safe next album and have a back to basics approach, pun intended I did suggest she go rhythmic back in 2015 but the themes of “reputation” did not connect. I expected Ariana grande and Rihanna type of material Don't feel old, just feel wrong because this is not a "My December" era. She didn't get into a media war with Scott Borchetta/receive no label support/turn goth/have to cancel her original tour and plan a smaller one. There are better comparisons girl. I don't think he meant literally... Maybe consider the comparison to make more sense success wise when analyzing Breakaway/My December vs. 1989/Reputation. Both having darker sounds than their predecessor, not reaching the commercial highs of their predecessor.
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Post by ¤ Matthea ¤ on Feb 16, 2018 9:12:21 GMT -5
Look and Ready both should never have been released. If this was the first single, it would have been a much bigger success. It would be a bigger succes as the lead single because of the hype, but 'End Game' is the worst song of the three singles released from 'Reputation'. By far. We all knew it was going to be a single with two features, but the song is simply bad. Of the three singles released I only like 'Ready For It'. 'Look What You Made Me Do' has good verses, but the chorus isn't cutting it. I would like to see 'Getaway Car' and possibly 'Delicate' released as singles or maybe 'Don't Blame Me'. 'I Did Something Bad' would probably underperform considering the GP doesn't like the bad girl vibe from Taylor. Overall, Taylor needs better material. The decline from 1989 is huge.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 9:16:03 GMT -5
I don't think he meant literally... I know that(and I know that you know that but I'll keep it cute) there are still wayyy better examples than My December, especially since that album only had one music video/real single and the circumstances causing the decline in sales/popularity are way different. Still a reach it works in terms of just comparing her to Kelly Clarkson and only Kelly Clarkson, less when you factor in the rest of music history. Within the last 5 years there are better examples (Artpop/Witness) I can think of off the top of my head and most likely a good dozen if I really put the time into pulling up some stats. They share some similarities but not enough for My December to be the best(or even accurate tbh) comparison.
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Post by Au$tin on Feb 16, 2018 9:43:08 GMT -5
All the rep singles outpeaked the only single from My December to chart on pop airplay. It's an extremely weak comparison. The size difference between Breakaway and 1989 isn't that different, so the drop off from Breakaway to My December was far more harsh than 1989 to reputation. Also, snarks, MD had two music videos, but it's okay, even hardcore Kelly stans like to forget about the other one.
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Post by Glove Slap on Feb 16, 2018 11:04:40 GMT -5
She's about to play stadiums at absurdly high prices. Considering that the true damaging point of MD was that Kelly's name wasn't strong enough to even pull off an arena tour, it's not a good comparison there and then. People are still responding to Taylor's name, even if the current project isn't spinning off a streak of big hits.
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Post by Josh Spicer on Feb 16, 2018 11:23:00 GMT -5
Just gonna say it: Ed's got the best verse on the song.
And while Taylor's "rapping" isn't amazing, it's still nice to see her try.
Manufactured verses or not, her verses on "...Ready for It?" were still great.
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Post by SoMuchToSay on Feb 16, 2018 11:34:59 GMT -5
While both My December and Reputation were clearly both changes of sound for Kelly and Taylor, Max Martin produced half of Reputation. I feel like that’s why so many people see it as a let down given his track record, and how poorly the songs are doing at radio (besides the lead single - which was hype). Part of me still wonders what would have happened had Kelly worked with Max/Luke after BA. Sober is also still a gd gem!
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Post by born on Feb 16, 2018 12:40:24 GMT -5
No more than 2% of the general public cares about a song's writers/producers. Unless you're talking about the fans' opinions and worries.
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