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Post by NeRD on Feb 16, 2018 15:42:40 GMT -5
I don't think he meant literally... I know that(and I know that you know that but I'll keep it cute) there are still wayyy better examples than My December, especially since that album only had one music video/real single and the circumstances causing the decline in sales/popularity are way different. Still a reach it works in terms of just comparing her to Kelly Clarkson and only Kelly Clarkson, less when you factor in the rest of music history. Within the last 5 years there are better examples (Artpop/Witness) I can think of off the top of my head and most likely a good dozen if I really put the time into pulling up some stats. They share some similarities but not enough for My December to be the best(or even accurate tbh) comparison. You're seriously comparing Reputation to the atrocities that were ARTPOP and Witness? Those were both commercial and critical failures absolutely nothing redeeming about them. Reputation has had a #1 single, Top 5, will cap out at around 2 million pure sales in a MUCH worse climate than those two (yes even a year makes a difference these days) and is on track to produce one of, if not the biggest female tour or all time. It's hilarious that you're criticising another's comparisons when yours are at the bottom of the barrel absolute trash.
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Post by theflying on Feb 16, 2018 18:21:27 GMT -5
My December is just in no way the right comparison. Sorry.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 18:36:37 GMT -5
I know that(and I know that you know that but I'll keep it cute) there are still wayyy better examples than My December, especially since that album only had one music video/real single and the circumstances causing the decline in sales/popularity are way different. Still a reach it works in terms of just comparing her to Kelly Clarkson and only Kelly Clarkson, less when you factor in the rest of music history. Within the last 5 years there are better examples (Artpop/Witness) I can think of off the top of my head and most likely a good dozen if I really put the time into pulling up some stats. They share some similarities but not enough for My December to be the best(or even accurate tbh) comparison. You're seriously comparing Reputation to the atrocities that were ARTPOP and Witness? Those were both commercial and critical failures absolutely nothing redeeming about them. Reputation has had a #1 single, Top 5, will cap out at around 2 million pure sales in a MUCH worse climate than those two (yes even a year makes a difference these days) and is on track to produce one of, if not the biggest female tour or all time. It's hilarious that you're criticising another's comparisons when yours are at the bottom of the barrel absolute trash. I was high and typed them in as a complete mistake. I meant to write in Born this Way and Prism, but even still Artpop and Witness work better than My December as a comparison. Also, Reputation and Witness literally came out within 5 months of each other what the hell are you smoking saying Reputation came out in a worse sales climate? (she's already sold 5x the amount Katy has so no need to pull strings to make her look successful, she already does) the touring factor is EXACTLY why I said My December didn't work as a comparison. Taylor is about to have one of the biggest tours of all time and Kelly couldn't fill arenas. It's hilarious how hard you're trying to come for me right now, who hurt you? what makes My December a filet mignon comparison to the Mcdonalds garbage of my Katy and Gaga one? I get the Artpop/Witness mistake (but in all fairness a few posts above I had literally just said this was a Prism/Born This Way era so I got receipts) but you're being overly hostile.
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Post by ampersand on Feb 16, 2018 20:48:34 GMT -5
The only similarity between My December and reputation is that both failed to live up to the astronomical success of their predecessor and feature a darker image/sound. That's where the comparison ends imo.
My December was never primed for commercial success. Kelly wrote the majority of that album with her touring band, chose an indie producer, and engaged in a very public and bitter feud with her label head. reputation may have a more polarizing sound, but it's obvious the album was crafted with commercial success in mind. Taylor worked with the most sought after producers of the moment and has received huge promotional support from Big Machine. The circumstances surrounding the underperformance/flop (callitwhatyouwant.mp4) of both these albums are completely different.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 20:52:48 GMT -5
My December wasn't made with mainstream in mind Kinda why I love that album, well that and Kelly has great songwriting and then the level of cohesiveness is their.
Still a shame that record goes down pretty underrated and forgotten when compared to Breakaway
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Post by Joe1240 on Feb 16, 2018 21:22:15 GMT -5
The right comparison to make for this era is Taylor's very own Speak Now era.While "Speak Now" didn't do so well on Pop Radio,This era is having the very same fate.Was there ever a Radio Edit for "End Game" without Future for this? I have seen it nowhere online with reports of there being one.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 22:30:51 GMT -5
-741 on Kworb today. Could this possibly miss the 2018 year-end chart?
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Post by nickd on Feb 16, 2018 23:34:19 GMT -5
The right comparison to make for this era is Taylor's very own Speak Now era.While "Speak Now" didn't do so well on Pop Radio,This era is having the very same fate.Was there ever a Radio Edit for "End Game" without Future for this? I have seen it nowhere online with reports of there being one. Speak Now did do well on Country Radio though Taylor Swift 1. Our Song 1. Should've Said No 2. Teardrops on my Guitar 3. Picture To Burn 6. Tim McGraw Fearless 1. You Belong With Me 1. Love Story 2. White Horse 7. Fifteen 10. Fearless Speak Now 1. Sparks Fly 1. Ours 2. Mean 2. Mine 3. Back To December Red 1. We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together (how did this happen again? lol) 2. Red 10. Begin Again Anyways, I agree with Speak Now being a decent comparison, overall performance is similar so far, both followed a bigger era, album sales when adjusted for industry changes are similar, hot 100 position of the top tracks are comparable.
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Post by Joe1240 on Feb 17, 2018 1:55:09 GMT -5
The right comparison to make for this era is Taylor's very own Speak Now era.While "Speak Now" didn't do so well on Pop Radio,This era is having the very same fate.Was there ever a Radio Edit for "End Game" without Future for this? I have seen it nowhere online with reports of there being one. Speak Now did do well on Country Radio though Taylor Swift 1. Our Song 1. Should've Said No 2. Teardrops on my Guitar 3. Picture To Burn 6. Tim McGraw Fearless 1. You Belong With Me 1. Love Story 2. White Horse 7. Fifteen 10. Fearless Speak Now 1. Sparks Fly 1. Ours 2. Mean 2. Mine 3. Back To December Red 1. We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together (how did this happen again? lol) 2. Red 10. Begin Again Anyways, I agree with Speak Now being a decent comparison, overall performance is similar so far, both followed a bigger era, album sales when adjusted for industry changes are similar, hot 100 position of the top tracks are comparable. That's why I didn't mention the Country Hits on Speak Now. That is the one thing Reputation has that is missing that Speak Now has a edge over it. Both eras are very similar.
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Post by NeRD on Feb 17, 2018 10:17:33 GMT -5
You're seriously comparing Reputation to the atrocities that were ARTPOP and Witness? Those were both commercial and critical failures absolutely nothing redeeming about them. Reputation has had a #1 single, Top 5, will cap out at around 2 million pure sales in a MUCH worse climate than those two (yes even a year makes a difference these days) and is on track to produce one of, if not the biggest female tour or all time. It's hilarious that you're criticising another's comparisons when yours are at the bottom of the barrel absolute trash. I was high and typed them in as a complete mistake. I meant to write in Born this Way and Prism, but even still Artpop and Witness work better than My December as a comparison. Also, Reputation and Witness literally came out within 5 months of each other what the hell are you smoking saying Reputation came out in a worse sales climate? (she's already sold 5x the amount Katy has so no need to pull strings to make her look successful, she already does) the touring factor is EXACTLY why I said My December didn't work as a comparison. Taylor is about to have one of the biggest tours of all time and Kelly couldn't fill arenas. It's hilarious how hard you're trying to come for me right now, who hurt you? what makes My December a filet mignon comparison to the Mcdonalds garbage of my Katy and Gaga one? I get the Artpop/Witness mistake (but in all fairness a few posts above I had literally just said this was a Prism/Born This Way era so I got receipts) but you're being overly hostile. You get what you give out.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 10:26:45 GMT -5
You get what you give out. That must be why I only get love and respect in life :) Thanks for helping me see how wonderful I am. Happy Saturday sis! back to Taylor, I'm starting to think the downfall of this era was her thinking anyone wanted to see her dance. A shame.
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Post by someguy on Feb 17, 2018 10:35:46 GMT -5
Hopefully the right fourth single will hit. At least this made the top 10.
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Post by Bwol on Feb 17, 2018 10:48:16 GMT -5
The right comparison to make for this era is Taylor's very own Speak Now era.While "Speak Now" didn't do so well on Pop Radio,This era is having the very same fate.Was there ever a Radio Edit for "End Game" without Future for this? I have seen it nowhere online with reports of there being one. I heard an edit one time on the radio without future.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 23:47:19 GMT -5
Look i dont like or go awwwf for Miss Taylor thats a given but one thing I'm not is a liar. Lets be honest here. Its very easy to see the issues. Its not the whole ice queen, public hates her, god hates her, radio hates her, the spirits are paying her back, karma, the ghost of that boy she dated and threw away for lyrics of heartbreak and promo or whatever else circlejerk of the hour. She didnt lose her mediocrity entitlements overnight.
Her singles are just not that good in the eyes of people who are neither fans or haters. The ones who usually get swayed. The caliber of these songs don't compare.
Thats it. If she had released the singles i hated but everyone else loved last era and flopped then be worried. Unfortunately she will be fine . Depending on what she does next. The public dont care who and what you are aslong as they like the song. They dont discriminate against blonde lanky girl next doors. Just coloured folk and old women.
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Post by Au$tin on Feb 18, 2018 0:07:29 GMT -5
The right comparison to make for this era is Taylor's very own Speak Now era.While "Speak Now" didn't do so well on Pop Radio,This era is having the very same fate.Was there ever a Radio Edit for "End Game" without Future for this? I have seen it nowhere online with reports of there being one. Speak Now did do well on Country Radio though Taylor Swift 1. Our Song 1. Should've Said No 2. Teardrops on my Guitar 3. Picture To Burn 6. Tim McGraw Fearless 1. You Belong With Me 1. Love Story 2. White Horse 7. Fifteen 10. Fearless Speak Now 1. Sparks Fly 1. Ours 2. Mean 2. Mine 3. Back To December Red 1. We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together (how did this happen again? lol) 2. Red 10. Begin Again Anyways, I agree with Speak Now being a decent comparison, overall performance is similar so far, both followed a bigger era, album sales when adjusted for industry changes are similar, hot 100 position of the top tracks are comparable. Those peaks for Red are incorrect. Those peaks are for Billboard's Country Songs chart which is essentially the Hot 100 just with country songs only. It famously got under fire for the simple fact that when it became a new chart, it allowed WANEGBT to be #1, and country fans were pissed since the song was definitely way more popular on pop than country. All of the peaks from the previous eras come from the country airplay chart where WANEGBT drastically and understandably underperformed. (IIRC it peaked either in the bottom teens or the upper 20s.)
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Post by Janhova's Witness on Feb 18, 2018 1:11:27 GMT -5
Speak Now did do well on Country Radio though Taylor Swift 1. Our Song 1. Should've Said No 2. Teardrops on my Guitar 3. Picture To Burn 6. Tim McGraw Fearless 1. You Belong With Me 1. Love Story 2. White Horse 7. Fifteen 10. Fearless Speak Now 1. Sparks Fly 1. Ours 2. Mean 2. Mine 3. Back To December Red 1. We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together (how did this happen again? lol) 2. Red 10. Begin Again Anyways, I agree with Speak Now being a decent comparison, overall performance is similar so far, both followed a bigger era, album sales when adjusted for industry changes are similar, hot 100 position of the top tracks are comparable. Those peaks for Red are incorrect. Those peaks are for Billboard's Country Songs chart which is essentially the Hot 100 just with country songs only. It famously got under fire for the simple fact that when it became a new chart, it allowed WANEGBT to be #1, and country fans were pissed since the song was definitely way more popular on pop than country. All of the peaks from the previous eras come from the country airplay chart where WANEGBT drastically and understandably underperformed. (IIRC it peaked either in the bottom teens or the upper 20s.) yas girl spill the tea allll over this thread honey stain EVERY page anyone have the country airplay peaks?
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Post by Az Paynter on Feb 18, 2018 1:15:02 GMT -5
I think WANEGBT only made it to like #17 on Country airplay? But 'Begin Again' was a #1. I don't know/remember where 'Red' peaked.
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Post by beachboi69 on Feb 18, 2018 4:54:20 GMT -5
I kinda feel this era is over and was a non event. None of the songs are connecting this seems front loaded. Her callout scores are terrible one after another. They need to let this die off and pick a single that is closer to her past material or just stop take a long break and save her Reputation.
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Post by someguy on Feb 18, 2018 5:23:52 GMT -5
WANEGBT debuted and peaked at #13 on Country airplay. "Begin Again" peaked at #3. "Red" peaked at #7.
"I Knew You Were Trouble" peaked at #55, but it wasn't a country single.
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Post by beachboi69 on Feb 18, 2018 6:22:58 GMT -5
WANEGBT debuted and peaked at #13 on Country airplay. "Begin Again" peaked at #3. "Red" peaked at #7. "I Knew You Were Trouble" peaked at #55, but it wasn't a country single. "I knew You Were Trouble" sounds way more Country then WANEGBT
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Post by Az Paynter on Feb 18, 2018 6:28:46 GMT -5
WANEGBT debuted and peaked at #13 on Country airplay. "Begin Again" peaked at #3. "Red" peaked at #7. "I Knew You Were Trouble" peaked at #55, but it wasn't a country single. I could swear there was a huge fuss in the country forum about 'Begin Again' hitting #1 on Mediabase in extremely suspicious circumstances (and they count #1's from either Mediabase or Billboard so...)
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Post by someguy on Feb 18, 2018 6:31:54 GMT -5
WANEGBT debuted and peaked at #13 on Country airplay. "Begin Again" peaked at #3. "Red" peaked at #7. "I Knew You Were Trouble" peaked at #55, but it wasn't a country single. I could swear there was a huge fuss in the country forum about 'Begin Again' hitting #1 on Mediabase in extremely suspicious circumstances (and they count #1's from either Mediabase or Billboard so...) Those are Billboard peaks. It may have hit #1 on Mediabase (which is much easier to manipulate).
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Post by rickroller on Feb 18, 2018 10:08:20 GMT -5
-4187 bullet today 😍
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Post by Exclusive on Feb 18, 2018 10:15:31 GMT -5
Ouch
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Post by tinawina on Feb 18, 2018 10:29:48 GMT -5
Any news on what’s next?
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Feb 19, 2018 11:34:28 GMT -5
-4532 bullet
What’s the record?
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Post by Caviar on Feb 19, 2018 11:45:53 GMT -5
That's embarrassing
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Post by Choco on Feb 19, 2018 12:14:09 GMT -5
-4532 bullet What’s the record? I think: 1. Look What You Made Me Do - Taylor Swift (-4986) #1 peak 2. End Game - Taylor Swift ft. Ed Sheeran & Future (-4532) #10 peak 3. Praying - Kesha (-4514) #9 peak 4. Filthy - Justin Timberlake (-4439) #14 peak 5. NO - Meghan Trainor (-4432) #7 peak
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Post by Suono on Feb 19, 2018 12:38:41 GMT -5
Well, this album is certainly getting a reputation for SOMETHING at least.
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Post by Crimsonio on Feb 19, 2018 12:52:18 GMT -5
I would compare this to Born This Way's rollout, but at least Gaga snagged 4 Top 10's with that.
Taylor just isn't promoting at all and Gaga suffered from too much promotion.
This is just sad, I would just bottle up the era at this point and call it a day.
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