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Post by fireflies on Mar 26, 2019 21:31:03 GMT -5
"Love Wins" returns back to the Hot 100! I bet they'll stick with this song for another few weeks or so. It's also featured in a movie soundtrack that comes out in April. American Idol for 2 weeks now has promoted this song as well. It's also featured in the upcoming Now Country edition. This one will hang out on the charts for some more time. #11 might be her peak on BB though. Time will tell, and I believe this song will still have time.
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Post by matty005 on Mar 26, 2019 21:43:19 GMT -5
Who cares. Move on. Release "Drinking Alone" and save this era please. My fear is that they’ll release another sleeper such as “The Bullet.” Honestly, I want to continue to enjoy Carrie’s presence on radio and television, not be preached at yet again. Carrie isn't going anywhere. She is a superstar in every sense of the word. That won't change because she misses the top 10. Radio isn't the end all be all these days and Carrie has so many other things going for her that are much more important than radio. And I get you don't want to be preached at. But these last few pages are you preaching about radio not playing it, the album not supporting it, etc etc etc over and over. I have no problem with you doing it, because I agree with you. But if you're going to post the same thing over and over yet again, be prepared to hear the reasons why over and over yet again. And look at the post above this one. It seems like the label actually is doing quite a lot to promote this song.
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Post by trustypepper on Mar 26, 2019 21:45:15 GMT -5
This was not a mistake as a single whatsoever, radio is just cruel. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, this should have been a multi-week #1 smash.
And I’ve also said before that veteran females like Carrie and Miranda should be getting the benefit of the doubt at radio like their veteran male counterparts.
I’m just over all the games at country radio, as necessary as they may be.
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Post by bboat11 on Mar 26, 2019 21:52:07 GMT -5
My fear is that they’ll release another sleeper such as “The Bullet.” Honestly, I want to continue to enjoy Carrie’s presence on radio and television, not be preached at yet again. Carrie isn't going anywhere. She is a superstar in every sense of the word. That won't change because she misses the top 10. Radio isn't the end all be all these days and Carrie has so many other things going for her that are much more important than radio. And I get you don't want to be preached at. But these last few pages are you preaching about radio not playing it, the album not supporting it, etc etc etc over and over. I have no problem with you doing it, because I agree with you. But if you're going to post the same thing over and over yet again, be prepared to hear the reasons why over and over yet again. And look at the post above this one. It seems like the label actually is doing quite a lot to promote this song. To be fair, I read her comment to be more along the lines of she doesn't want Carrie to release another song with some kind of preachy agenda, like if they were to release "The Bullet" right on the tail of "Love Wins".
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 22:00:12 GMT -5
Carrie isn't going anywhere. She is a superstar in every sense of the word. That won't change because she misses the top 10. Radio isn't the end all be all these days and Carrie has so many other things going for her that are much more important than radio. And I get you don't want to be preached at. But these last few pages are you preaching about radio not playing it, the album not supporting it, etc etc etc over and over. I have no problem with you doing it, because I agree with you. But if you're going to post the same thing over and over yet again, be prepared to hear the reasons why over and over yet again. And look at the post above this one. It seems like the label actually is doing quite a lot to promote this song. To be fair, I read her comment to be more along the lines of she doesn't want Carrie to release another song with some kind of preachy agenda, like if they were to release "The Bullet" right on the tail of "Love Wins". Bingo.
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Post by matty005 on Mar 26, 2019 22:06:54 GMT -5
To be fair, I read her comment to be more along the lines of she doesn't want Carrie to release another song with some kind of preachy agenda, like if they were to release "The Bullet" right on the tail of "Love Wins". Bingo. Okay sorry then. I don't like preachy songs either but this whole thread you have been defending this song so I am surprised you're now calling it preachy. Maybe others feel that way too and that is why it's not doing as well?
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Post by zaclord 🌈 on Mar 26, 2019 22:14:32 GMT -5
Who cares. Move on. Release "Drinking Alone" and save this era please. My fear is that they’ll release another sleeper such as “The Bullet.” Honestly, I want to continue to enjoy Carrie’s presence on radio and television, not be preached at yet again. Her team isn't that dumb to release something like "The Bullet" next after two underperforming singles. "Cry Pretty" was a statement single that did it's job despite radio not eating it up, but no one cared much about it after its initial hype. "Love Wins" in theory wasn't a bad choice for radio. It was a tad risky content-wise (which is ridiculous, but still...) but it could have gone over really really well and been a hit. The passion just wasn't there for it. So neither choice was bad per se, but they just didn't work with radio. "The Bullet", "Kingdom", "Spinning Bottles", "Ghosts on the Stereo", and "Low" would be bad choices for single #3, imo, because they are slower songs going into the summer months following two songs radio didn't care much for. Quality aside, the ONLY choices that should be considered for the 3rd single are "Drinking Alone", "Southbound", "Backsliding", "That Song...", or "End Up With You" simply because they are uptempo/midtempo songs going into the summer months. I'd rule out "That Song..." because I think sonically it's a riskier choice for radio (and I think it sucks), so that should leave "Drinking Alone", "Backsliding", "Southbound" or "End Up With You" as the smart/safe choices for single #3. I am confident one of the 4 of those will be chosen because they are the best chances to get her back with a radio hit at this time. Now, I'll eat my words and declare her move to UMG to have been useless if it's anything other than those 4, but I really just think there's just been two swings and misses with this album and that UMG is smart enough to not sabotage her career by sending any sort of ballad as single #3 due to the circumstances. Hoping for "Drinking Alone", but I'm expecting "Southbound" or "End Up With You".
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 22:16:50 GMT -5
Okay sorry then. I don't like preachy songs either but this whole thread you have been defending this song so I am surprised you're now calling it preachy. Maybe others feel that way too and that is why it's not doing as well? I haven’t been defending the song itself—I cannot stand this song and believe it was an incredibly awful single choice. I have purely been interested in seeing it achieve some semblance of commercial success for the sake for the album era, which is not only Carrie’s first under a new label, but as a co-producer. Aside from wanting it maintain her Top 10 streak, I have no use for the track and don’t want to see another terrible song further derail the era.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 22:26:56 GMT -5
My fear is that they’ll release another sleeper such as “The Bullet.” Honestly, I want to continue to enjoy Carrie’s presence on radio and television, not be preached at yet again. Her team isn't that dumb to release something like "The Bullet" next after two underperforming singles. "Cry Pretty" was a statement single that did it's job despite radio not eating it up, but no one cared much about it after its initial hype. "Love Wins" in theory wasn't a bad choice for radio. It was a tad risky content-wise (which is ridiculous, but still...) but it could have gone over really really well and been a hit. The passion just wasn't there for it. So neither choice was bad per se, but they just didn't work with radio. "The Bullet", "Kingdom", "Spinning Bottles", "Ghosts on the Stereo", and "Low" would be bad choices for single #3, imo, because they are slower songs going into the summer months following two songs radio didn't care much for. Quality aside, the ONLY choices that should be considered for the 3rd single are "Drinking Alone", "Southbound", "Backsliding", "That Song...", or "End Up With You" simply because they are uptempo/midtempo songs going into the summer months. I'd rule out "That Song..." because I think sonically it's a riskier choice for radio (and I think it sucks), so that should leave "Drinking Alone", "Backsliding", "Southbound" or "End Up With You" as the smart/safe choices for single #3. I am confident one of the 4 of those will be chosen because they are the best chances to get her back with a radio hit at this time. Now, I'll eat my words and declare her move to UMG to have been useless if it's anything other than those 4, but I really just think there's just been two swings and misses with this album and that UMG is smart enough to not sabotage her career by sending any sort of ballad as single #3 due to the circumstances. Hoping for "Drinking Alone", but I'm expecting "Southbound" or "End Up With You". My faith in that is dwindling fast. However, I wouldn’t be surprised if “End Up With You” is released next because it was a preview single and, frankly, the label has done nothing thus far to indicate that they’re utilizing anything but color-by-numbers rollout strategies for her material. Granted, like many others have stated, the era has suffered tremendously as a result of circumstance, but they have the opportunity to get it back on track now and I’m not confident that they’re innovative enough to take it.
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Post by tim on Mar 27, 2019 2:49:07 GMT -5
Or maybe this album is just subpar from what she has delivered from years past and is overall a disappointment? Just saying this release isn’t all on UMG but rather the overall production of the record isn’t quite up to the expectations critically speaking that she should’ve been able to deliver at this point in her career. I feel like this entire era has been a disappointment but the only saving grace for radio would be “Ghosts on the Stereo”.
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Post by daddy on Mar 27, 2019 5:19:27 GMT -5
Or maybe this album is just subpar from what she has delivered from years past and is overall a disappointment? Just saying this release isn’t all on UMG but rather the overall production of the record isn’t quite up to the expectations critically speaking that she should’ve been able to deliver at this point in her career. I feel like this entire era has been a disappointment but the only saving grace for radio would be “Ghosts on the Stereo”. I have a different viewpoint and I find this album to be one of her strongest (if not her strongest). I think this album - moreso than her previous - will have songs and styles that people feel they strongly like or dislike. Personally, I tend to like a lot of what makes this album different from her previous ones and find all of the songs to be of good quality and fit the album. “Love Wins” is actually my least favourite on the album. “Ghosts on the Stereo” is one of my favourites, but I don’t see it being an exciting single. Living outside of the US, I care more about overall impact than radio play (I would love to see “Low” eventually close out the era). Next, I would go with “Southbound”, “End Up With You” or “Drinking Alone”. I feel like each would add something new to Carrie’s repertoire and I would imagine each would fair well at radio. I really do feel like the disappointing nature of this album era has everything to do with unexpected timing and little to do with a lack of quality material or her new label. Arista Nashville clearly had strong connections in getting Carrie to the top of the charts that any new label wouldn’t (initially at least). And I think Carrie’s hiatus during pregnancy would cause a similar slow-era regardless of what label she is on. Interesting to read your opinion and I’m sure there are people who agree. I’m looking forward to where they take it from here and really hoping they launch single #3 at the ACMs.
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Post by desertfloods on Mar 27, 2019 7:47:30 GMT -5
Couldn't disagree more about this album being subpar. This is by far one of her strongest albums.
The disappointing era is due to combo of wrong single choices, wrong timing, lack of promo and possibly because of label change (radio promo, awards etc).
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Post by countryisking on Mar 27, 2019 8:34:45 GMT -5
I get the "streak" but the vast majority of the listening public doesn't know and/or doesn't care about such an accomplishment. At the end of the day, this is a song that was never connecting. It's held steady at a relatively high audience for months now, likely leaving most listeners wondering why it is still being played so much when they either grew tired of it long ago or never liked it in the first place. It's beyond time to move on.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Mar 27, 2019 10:00:56 GMT -5
I'm in the camp that felt underwhelmed by the Cry Pretty album. The only record I'd feel comfortable saying is worse is Play On possibly because the majority of the album outside a few songs just feels like a collection of filler. That said, her latest LP is easily her least cohesive effort for me to date. She really spread herself too thin trying to do too many different styles of music on the record and it ended up feeling clunky to me. She's never been an albums artist for me though because I've almost always found at least a couple duds on every one of her albums except for Some Hearts and Storyteller where my least favorite songs are still better than the bottom 3 or so on her other four.
In regards to the streak, I really would like to see her top 10 streak maintained, but I'm growing less interested as this song continues to hang around in the teens barely moving. They need to hurry up and max this and let it go so they can move on to a third single already. It would be a huge missed opportunity not to have her debuting something new on the ACMs.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2019 10:32:13 GMT -5
Perhaps they’re planning to go for max spins next week and send single #3 to radio in time to coincide with its ACM debut. Even so, I can’t see a push making any major difference given that the song is sitting at #11 on Mediabase right now; #8 is probably the highest it can reach on that chart, and even lower on Billboard. It’s time to let this one fall naturally—listener reception won’t change regardless of how hard they try to drive it up the charts or the number of movies it’s featured in.
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Post by 14887fan on Mar 27, 2019 10:38:41 GMT -5
Preachy agenda lol
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Post by austin on Mar 27, 2019 11:58:31 GMT -5
I am a *very* casual fan (and often get turned off with her over-singing on a lot of her songs) and I actually think this album is way stronger than I thought it would be, and a huge step up for her. That aside, the bad songs on here are like, REALLY bad. And two of them were the first two singles (the other being "Ghosts On The Stereo"). So half of the lack of buzz around her is on Carrie herself (releasing that horrible and slow lead single because she wanted to spread the message of it (I don't fault her only because she should do whatever she wants at this stage in her career)) and half is on the label (Deciding on' Love Wins' second/at all or for letting Carrie pick the first two singles - whichever was what happened ). If they wanted a HUGE record, they totally messed up royally and there is absolutely no way anyone can rationalize the single selections or promotion strategy. If they just wanted to let Carrie do whatever she wants to do, which she has earned, then kudos to them and keep on doing it but also kudos for not pouring tons of promo money into a legacy-type album. I have a strong hunch "Southbound" is next but hope its "Drinking Alone". With hindsight, IMO: If they wanted a HUGE album Backsliding Drinking Alone Southbound End Up With You If they had to lead with Cry Pretty but still wanted a big buzz 'global superstar' type album Cry Pretty Southbound Drinking Alone Backsliding
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Post by Typo on Mar 27, 2019 13:30:51 GMT -5
So suddenly we’re acting as if country radio programmers are gatekeepers for quality material? Weird take.
“Cry Pretty” faltered because it was written from an unapologetically female POV and featured a polarizing outro. “Love Wins” is classic Carrie and likely would have succeeded during past album cycles. I just don’t think Country radio is interested in these types of inspirational ballads from anyone anymore.
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Post by Ragin on Mar 27, 2019 14:18:46 GMT -5
I like Carrie a lot and did not really like either of the first two songs.
I don’t know how all the business side works, but I think there were much better single choices than either of these.
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Post by lady𝓐fan on Mar 27, 2019 14:35:13 GMT -5
"Southbound" is such an outlier on the album that I theorize her team only included it for the case that radio rejected CP and LW. I'm not saying they knew that the first two singles would underperform, but I think they saw the risk in releasing two songs with subject matters that aren't usually what country radio plays.
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Post by Elusive Chanteuse on Mar 27, 2019 15:26:51 GMT -5
"Southbound" is such an outlier on the album that I theorize her team only included it for the case that radio rejected CP and LW. I'm not saying they knew that the first two singles would underperform, but I think they saw the risk in releasing two songs and subject matters that aren't usually what country radio plays. I completely agree. This is why I suspect Southbound will be next. Hopefully they’ll push Drinking Alone at least as fourth as well because that one screams #1.
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Post by countryisking on Mar 27, 2019 16:37:19 GMT -5
So suddenly we’re acting as if country radio programmers are gatekeepers for quality material? Weird take. “Cry Pretty” faltered because it was written from an unapologetically female POV and featured a polarizing outro. “Love Wins” is classic Carrie and likely would have succeeded during past album cycles. I just don’t think Country radio is interested in these types of inspirational ballads from anyone anymore. I disagree that it's classic Carrie. The song preaches with no offer of solution. Two recent "do good" songs hit big: "Humble and Kind" and "Get Along." I can't think of another single she's had like this...most of her mega-hits have been story or revenge songs. Furthermore, musically it is nothing like "classic" Carrie, which gave us terrific displays of musicianship and instrumentation. Here, the driving beat is overwhelming and the instrumentation and aura is dark and depressing for a song proclaiming the greatness of love.
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Mar 27, 2019 16:57:28 GMT -5
I’m thinking that Southbound is next. I personally despise the song, but it’s more in the lane of what’s popular right now and would probably be a summer smash. I also agree that Drinking Alone should be the 4th single and then maybe End Up With You to close out the era.
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Post by Typo on Mar 27, 2019 16:59:26 GMT -5
I just don’t see this song as that far removed from “So Small,” “See You Again,” or “Something in the Water.” It’s in the same realm of inspirational, grand power balladry.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Mar 27, 2019 17:29:34 GMT -5
I just don’t see this song as that far removed from “So Small,” “See You Again,” or “Something in the Water.” It’s in the same realm of inspirational, grand power balladry. Me either. I thought "Love Wins" would be a big hit when it was released and sounded like a typical Carrie single. That said, this one is clearly not connecting beyond just radio PDs because the sales impact and research suggests that this one isn't as popular as those 3 were.
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Post by desertfloods on Mar 28, 2019 8:43:37 GMT -5
I just don’t see this song as that far removed from “So Small,” “See You Again,” or “Something in the Water.” It’s in the same realm of inspirational, grand power balladry. It may sound like they are all in the same category of inspirational ballads, but I find that this song just doesn't fit well with all that is happening in the world these days. I love Carrie to bits, huge huge fan of So Small and See You Again. But from the very first listen of Love Wins, instead of feeling positive and hopeful, I feel like the chorus and bridge kind of trivialized every serious issue in this world. The promising first verse is followed by a very weak chorus which felt like a textbook answer... one that never works and is too naive imo. Being vague and general works extremely well for See You Again and So Small, but for Love Wins, it just felt very uninspiring. I don't agree with reviews saying the song needs to offer "solutions" to problems, but my personal opinion is that she really needed to dig deeper into such an important topic.
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Post by Ragin on Mar 28, 2019 9:18:23 GMT -5
I also wonder if some of the fan base read into this song the whole love trumps hate mantra, and rejected it because they are Trump supporters. It’s not as stark and obvious as the Dixie Chicks, so the response is not as stark and obvious, but I do wonder if that muted the reception at least some. I just don’t care for it and thought she could have done better, but I could see this being at least some of it.
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Post by Sugar Rush on Mar 28, 2019 17:45:40 GMT -5
I also wonder if some of the fan base read into this song the whole love trumps hate mantra, and rejected it because they are Trump supporters. It’s not as stark and obvious as the Dixie Chicks, so the response is not as stark and obvious, but I do wonder if that muted the reception at least some. I just don’t care for it and thought she could have done better, but I could see this being at least some of it. Personally - and I say this as a die-hard Carrie fan - I think it is just because 'Love Wins' is as cheesy as it gets. Yes, she has previous songs like 'The More Boys I Meet', 'Nobody Ever Told You' and 'I Ain't in Checotah Anymore' but I found that they were all at least somewhat catchy melody wise? When 'Love Wins' came out I enjoyed the song and chorus especially, but now that is has aged I feel as if it should have just stayed a promotional single. It is to 'mom preaching to practice kindness to everyone' to me and just kind of sucks the life out of you after a while? I don't know, it's the first Carrie song since 'Undo It' that I would skip on my Spotify or change the radio channel when it begins to play because I find it almost too polarizing.
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Post by Sugar Rush on Mar 28, 2019 17:47:51 GMT -5
I just don’t see this song as that far removed from “So Small,” “See You Again,” or “Something in the Water.” It’s in the same realm of inspirational, grand power balladry. It may sound like they are all in the same category of inspirational ballads, but I find that this song just doesn't fit well with all that is happening in the world these days. I love Carrie to bits, huge huge fan of So Small and See You Again. But from the very first listen of Love Wins, instead of feeling positive and hopeful, I feel like the chorus and bridge kind of trivialized every serious issue in this world. The promising first verse is followed by a very weak chorus which felt like a textbook answer... one that never works and is too naive imo. Being vague and general works extremely well for See You Again and So Small, but for Love Wins, it just felt very uninspiring. I don't agree with reviews saying the song needs to offer "solutions" to problems, but my personal opinion is that she really needed to dig deeper into such an important topic. This is the phrase I was looking for! I agree with this so much. 'So Small' and 'See You Again', like you said, benefit from being vague because they lead one to think of hope. 'Love Wins' does the exact opposite for me, and just makes me think "well duh, of course, be nice to others".
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2019 19:51:57 GMT -5
I also wonder if some of the fan base read into this song the whole love trumps hate mantra, and rejected it because they are Trump supporters. It’s not as stark and obvious as the Dixie Chicks, so the response is not as stark and obvious, but I do wonder if that muted the reception at least some. I just don’t care for it and thought she could have done better, but I could see this being at least some of it. Personally - and I say this as a die-hard Carrie fan - I think it is just because 'Love Wins' is as cheesy as it gets. Yes, she has previous songs like 'The More Boys I Meet', 'Nobody Ever Told You' and 'I Ain't in Checotah Anymore' but I found that they were all at least somewhat catchy melody wise? When 'Love Wins' came out I enjoyed the song and chorus especially, but now that is has aged I feel as if it should have just stayed a promotional single. It is to 'mom preaching to practice kindness to everyone' to me and just kind of sucks the life out of you after a while? I don't know, it's the first Carrie song since 'Undo It' that I would skip on my Spotify or change the radio channel when it begins to play because I find it almost too polarizing. Leave “The More Boys I Meet” out of this. That song was fun and had PERSONALITY, something completely absent from “Love Wins.”
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