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Post by travelrocks24 on Jun 13, 2019 10:06:05 GMT -5
Going back to this song, as much as I dislike it, I am glad this cracked the top 20 on Billboard Hot 100, as it is difficult for country songs to reach that threshold. It was only #32 this week... Oops, it was Blake that was #19, my fault. My original point stands.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jun 13, 2019 14:52:44 GMT -5
"Hit" typically refers to chart performance, and I'm pretty sure callout doesn't ask the opinions of 40 million people. It randomly samples country radio listeners, which are representative of the audience of 40 million people. It's just like a poll. That's how you scientifically figure out what a large body of people are thinking. It's a lot better than iTunes or streaming, which just hit a few thousand people who don't even necessarily listen to country radio. Basically, I just stick to radio and ignore the sales and streaming. It's a waaaaay bigger audience.. There are more people streaming this on a daily basis than have probably provided any sort of callout feedback in its entire run. Callout is flawed and represents a very small amount of radio listeners, lol. You really think that a high percentage of people who listen to the radio are giving them any type of feedback? I've listened to country radio for 15 years and I've never once been polled about what I like/don't like hearing on radio. I'm sure that is the case with the majority of listeners -- it's a very casual engagement to listen to radio for most people. Streaming is done by choice.
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Post by Naos on Jun 14, 2019 2:21:41 GMT -5
Acoustic version out now.
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Post by Wackadoodle on Jun 16, 2019 19:51:06 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't see this getting to #1 on either chart. Lee's "Rumor" is just too far ahead and Curb might be maxing it as well next week, and the research for this is just too abysmal. It's got the second highest negatives on the whole chart at 1 in 5 listeners disliking the song. Probably a #2 on Mediabase behind Lee and a #3 on Billboard behind Lee and Blake. It's great to see an end to the "every kid gets a trophy" format. Hopefully Thomas gets back to releasing decent material like "Die a Happy Man," "Unforgettable," and "Marry Me" next.
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Post by Naos on Jun 16, 2019 20:19:16 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't see this getting to #1 on either chart. Lee's "Rumor" is just too far ahead and Curb might be maxing it as well next week, and the research for this is just too abysmal. It's got the second highest negatives on the whole chart at 1 in 5 listeners disliking the song. Probably a #2 on Mediabase behind Lee and a #3 on Billboard behind Lee and Blake. It's great to see an end to the "every kid gets a trophy" format. Hopefully Thomas gets back to releasing decent material like "Die a Happy Man," "Unforgettable," and "Marry Me" next. It's just showing how little radio matters. This is a bigger hit commercially than most of the other airplay #1s this year. I doubt it's actually 1 in 5 listeners given how well this has done in sales and streaming.
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Post by Wackadoodle on Jun 16, 2019 21:03:18 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't see this getting to #1 on either chart. Lee's "Rumor" is just too far ahead and Curb might be maxing it as well next week, and the research for this is just too abysmal. It's got the second highest negatives on the whole chart at 1 in 5 listeners disliking the song. Probably a #2 on Mediabase behind Lee and a #3 on Billboard behind Lee and Blake. It's great to see an end to the "every kid gets a trophy" format. Hopefully Thomas gets back to releasing decent material like "Die a Happy Man," "Unforgettable," and "Marry Me" next. It's just showing how little radio matters. This is a bigger hit commercially than most of the other airplay #1s this year. I doubt it's actually 1 in 5 listeners given how well this has done in sales and streaming. We're gonna have to agree to disagree on this whole callout doesn't matter as much as sales and streaming thing, lol. It's gonna come up a lot in these threads. Honestly I view callout as the equivalent of conducting national opinion polls in politics, and sales and streaming as the equivalent of interviewing a Sunday morning crowd at a coffee shop in Michigan or judging crowd sizes at rallies as indicators of candidate popularity. One measures the opinions of the entire country via scientific random sampling. The other is a few non-random people who aren't in any way representative of the country at large. Anyway, not really much point of going back and forth on this anymore. What do y'all think will be Thomas' next single? I've had no desire to listen to this album so no clue what kind of material is on it.
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Post by matty005 on Jun 16, 2019 21:08:16 GMT -5
It's just showing how little radio matters. This is a bigger hit commercially than most of the other airplay #1s this year. I doubt it's actually 1 in 5 listeners given how well this has done in sales and streaming. We're gonna have to agree to disagree on this whole callout doesn't matter as much as sales and streaming thing, lol. It's gonna come up a lot in these threads. Honestly I view callout as the equivalent of conducting national opinion polls in politics, and sales and streaming as the equivalent of interviewing a Sunday morning crowd at a coffee shop in Michigan or judging crowd sizes at rallies as indicators of candidate popularity. One measures the opinions of the entire country via scientific random sampling. The other is a few non-random people who aren't in any way representative of the country at large. Anyway, not really much point of going back and forth on this anymore. What do y'all think will be Thomas' next single? I've had no desire to listen to this album so no clue what kind of material is on it.Odd you would even ask then. I mean, no offense, you can like what you like, but if you want to be part of the discussion you should at least listen to the album. No problem if it's not your cup of tea, but no point of posting about it. I have no desire to listen to Maddona's new album (nothing against her to her fans, I like her personally - her music isn't for me) but I'm not going to go into her thread and ask what the new single should be and then say I have no clue because I don't want to listen to the album.
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Post by Wackadoodle on Jun 16, 2019 21:20:56 GMT -5
We're gonna have to agree to disagree on this whole callout doesn't matter as much as sales and streaming thing, lol. It's gonna come up a lot in these threads. Honestly I view callout as the equivalent of conducting national opinion polls in politics, and sales and streaming as the equivalent of interviewing a Sunday morning crowd at a coffee shop in Michigan or judging crowd sizes at rallies as indicators of candidate popularity. One measures the opinions of the entire country via scientific random sampling. The other is a few non-random people who aren't in any way representative of the country at large. Anyway, not really much point of going back and forth on this anymore. What do y'all think will be Thomas' next single? I've had no desire to listen to this album so no clue what kind of material is on it.Odd you would even ask then. I mean, no offense, you can like what you like, but if you want to be part of the discussion you should at least listen to the album. No problem if it's not your cup of tea, but no point of posting about it. I have no desire to listen to Maddona's new album (nothing against her to her fans, I like her personally - her music isn't for me) but I'm not going to go into her thread and ask what the new single should be and then say I have no clue because I don't want to listen to the album. None taken, but imo there's nothing wrong with asking what song might be released next so I can know what material from this album would be best for me to go listen to. I'm still a Thomas Rhett fan, but I'm not going to shuffle through a full album full of stuff I might not be interested in. I've seen no reason to check his album out yet based on this one single, but I'm curious to see if there might be anything good left on the album to take a listen to. Just asking for recommendations. That's all. And also trying to change the subject from this circular discussion where we're basically repeating the same points that we're not going to agree on over and over. scientific random sampling. The other is a few non-random people who aren't in any way representative of the country at large. Anyway, not really much point of going back and forth on this anymore. What do y'all think will be Thomas' next single? I've had no desire to listen to this album so no clue what kind of material is on it. Lol, it's not scientific. It being random indicates you could also be just as wrong on the "data", because you've chosen mostly traditional country listeners rather than pop country listeners. You're giving radio more credit than it deserves. As for the next single (don't know why you'd ask if you don't want to listen to it), the two biggest candidates in my opinion are "Remember You Young" and "Notice". I mean, we're basically just repeating the same points over and over again, but random sampling polling is scientific. It takes a few randomly selected people who are representative of the larger population and asks them their opinion to gain an idea of what the larger population thinks. You may not like that method of determining the public's opinion, but statistically that really is how pollsters figure out what the public at-large is thinking. That's how pollsters predict who will win elections, gain candidate popularity, determine the public's opinion on issues, etc. If you're saying callout isn't reliable, you're basically saying all the public opinion polls that tell us where the public stands on current issues are wrong. You're welcome to that opinion, honestly, but I don't agree with it at all. Anyway, there's really nothing new here to say. You prefer sales and streaming. I think they're utterly irrelevant. No offense but I think this conversation is just going back-and-forth. I respectfully think it's time to move on. I'll check out those two songs and come back with comments on them.
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Post by matty005 on Jun 16, 2019 21:23:58 GMT -5
Odd you would even ask then. I mean, no offense, you can like what you like, but if you want to be part of the discussion you should at least listen to the album. No problem if it's not your cup of tea, but no point of posting about it. I have no desire to listen to Maddona's new album (nothing against her to her fans, I like her personally - her music isn't for me) but I'm not going to go into her thread and ask what the new single should be and then say I have no clue because I don't want to listen to the album. None taken, but imo there's nothing wrong with asking what song might be released next so I can know what material from this album would be best for me to go listen to. I'm still a Thomas Rhett fan, but I'm not going to shuffle through a full album full of stuff I might not be interested in. I've seen no reason to check his album out yet based on this one single, but I'm curious to see if there might be anything good left on the album to take a listen to. Just asking for recommendations. That's all. And also trying to change the subject from this circular discussion where we're basically repeating the same points that we're not going to agree on over and over. Lol, it's not scientific. It being random indicates you could also be just as wrong on the "data", because you've chosen mostly traditional country listeners rather than pop country listeners. You're giving radio more credit than it deserves. As for the next single (don't know why you'd ask if you don't want to listen to it), the two biggest candidates in my opinion are "Remember You Young" and "Notice". I mean, we're basically just repeating the same points over and over again, but random sampling polling is scientific. It takes a few randomly selected people who are representative of the larger population and asks them their opinion to gain an idea of what the larger population thinks. You may not like that method of determining the public's opinion, but statistically that really is how pollsters figure out what the public at-large is thinking. Anyway, there's really nothing new here to say. You prefer sales and streaming. I think they're utterly irrelevant. No offense but I think this conversation is just going back-and-forth. I respectfully think it's time to move on. I'll check out those two songs and come back with comments on them. In what sense are sales and streaming irrelevant? I mean, do you think labels care if the new single gets a high call out score or actually sells and is listened to? I feel like you can't really believe this. Maybe I am not understanding.
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Post by Wackadoodle on Jun 16, 2019 21:25:58 GMT -5
None taken, but imo there's nothing wrong with asking what song might be released next so I can know what material from this album would be best for me to go listen to. I'm still a Thomas Rhett fan, but I'm not going to shuffle through a full album full of stuff I might not be interested in. I've seen no reason to check his album out yet based on this one single, but I'm curious to see if there might be anything good left on the album to take a listen to. Just asking for recommendations. That's all. And also trying to change the subject from this circular discussion where we're basically repeating the same points that we're not going to agree on over and over. I mean, we're basically just repeating the same points over and over again, but random sampling polling is scientific. It takes a few randomly selected people who are representative of the larger population and asks them their opinion to gain an idea of what the larger population thinks. You may not like that method of determining the public's opinion, but statistically that really is how pollsters figure out what the public at-large is thinking. Anyway, there's really nothing new here to say. You prefer sales and streaming. I think they're utterly irrelevant. No offense but I think this conversation is just going back-and-forth. I respectfully think it's time to move on. I'll check out those two songs and come back with comments on them. In what sense are sales and streaming irrelevant? I mean, do you think labels care if the new single gets a high call out score or actually sells and is listened to? I feel like you can't really believe this. Maybe I am not understanding. I think these days sales and streaming are so low labels really try to spend as little on radio promotion as possible so they can still make a profit off of music, but they're looking for new ways to make profit. Yeah, in terms of labels making a profit off of music, sales and streaming matter, but they're not indicative of what songs the public likes the best at all.
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Post by lady𝓐fan on Jun 16, 2019 21:26:48 GMT -5
^ I know we're all entitled to our own opinion, but you're in the minority in this one. Polls aren't always right (just look at the 2016 election, for example) but sales and streams are a surefire way of knowing overall passion.
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Post by matty005 on Jun 16, 2019 21:28:31 GMT -5
In what sense are sales and streaming irrelevant? I mean, do you think labels care if the new single gets a high call out score or actually sells and is listened to? I feel like you can't really believe this. Maybe I am not understanding. I think these days sales and streaming are so low labels really try to spend as little on radio promotion as possible so they can still make a profit off of music, but they're looking for new ways to make profit. Yeah, in terms of labels making a profit off of music, sales and streaming matter, but they're not indicative of what songs the public likes the best at all. Alrighty then.
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Post by Naos on Jun 16, 2019 21:29:07 GMT -5
In what sense are sales and streaming irrelevant? I mean, do you think labels care if the new single gets a high call out score or actually sells and is listened to? I feel like you can't really believe this. Maybe I am not understanding. I guess labels making money and what people use their money for is irrelevant, and what's more relevant is who can manipulate their way to the top of radio, which is passive listening. Because there are songs with mediocre callout scores that get to the top of radio and have good sales and streaming. Goes especially for female singers.
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Post by Wackadoodle on Jun 16, 2019 21:33:03 GMT -5
^ I know we're all entitled to our own opinion, but you're in the minority in this one. Polls aren't always right (just look at the 2016 election, for example) but sales and streams are a surefire way of knowing overall passion. The polls in the 2016 election weren't really wrong, though. The media overreacted to Trump being down a few points in the polls. If you look at the polls in the swing states he needed to win, he was down a few points, within the margin of error (or close to it in some instances), while Clinton had a hard time clearing a majority and there were enough undecided voters that it was easy for Trump to overtake her by capturing those undecideds. Whenever there's an economy that's basically average, there's usually a few undecided voters who tend to swing for the out party at the last minute. I think that was more a case of the biased media being quick to assume Clinton would win and not taking Trump seriously than a case of the polls being genuinely wrong. The national polls were right that Trump lost the popular vote by several points, and the swing state polls missed Trump's voters by just a few points due to undecideds who broke for Trump at the last minute and the margin of error. For example, if you look at the RCP average of Wisconsin right before the election, Clinton was beating Trump 46.8-40.3. That's plenty of room for undecided independents and Republicans to break for Trump at the last minute because the economy was about average so they swung towards the out party, plus there were some people who naturally leaned Republican but weren't happy with Trump's behavior. Their inclination was always to vote for Trump. The media were just took quick to write Trump off and assume Clinton the obvious winner. Wishful thinking instead of seriously considering polls. Just trust the pollsters. Anyway, i don't mind being in the minority, lol. I find myself there a lot and always just try to keep it respectful. I just explain my viewpoint politely and people are free to agree or disagree. No big deal.
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Post by dm2081 on Jun 16, 2019 22:08:19 GMT -5
For the record, I heard The Highway play “Notice” this weekend, and that’s probably the best choice for the next single IMO. Seems like the song destined to be the biggest hit off the album, and it’s a nice change pace from this uptempo lead. “Beer Cant Fix” would be a perfect late summer and early fall tailgating type of song though, but they’d have to get Pardi’s team to approve of that choice I’d assume.
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Post by Crimsonio on Jun 16, 2019 22:35:57 GMT -5
As long as That Old Truck is a single at some point, I'm happy with whatever. I love Center Point Road, but idk how well that would do tbh.
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Jun 17, 2019 13:16:21 GMT -5
From the building charts. This is unexpected. Any chance it'll hold or just a weird anomaly?
6 1 THOMAS RHETT Look What God Gave Her Valory 1,154 974 18.5%
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Post by Elusive Chanteuse on Jun 17, 2019 13:41:36 GMT -5
From the building charts. This is unexpected. Any chance it'll hold or just a weird anomaly? 6 1 THOMAS RHETT Look What God Gave Her Valory 1,154 974 18.5% I don’t think it’s unusual. His label is pushing for max spins and #1 this week.
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Post by Naos on Jun 18, 2019 4:15:11 GMT -5
Hot 100: #39 (-7) Country Airplay: #5 (+2) Country Songs: #6 (-3) Adult Pop Songs: #19 (+3)
Canadian Hot 100: #41 (-8) Canada Country: #1 (+1)
'Center Point Road' falls 1-16 in its second week on the Billboard 200, and the only remaining track from the album on the country charts is "Notice", which falls 21-48 on Hot Country Songs.
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Post by lady𝓐fan on Jun 19, 2019 6:41:15 GMT -5
It seems like he might get the Billboard #1, because they’re really pushing this hard. This has gained 606 spins and 3.741 million AI since Sunday and is on track to surpass Lee Brice in 3 or 4 days unless Lee starts gaining more strongly. This has been a big hit, so I don’t have any objection to it hitting #1 on both charts, but I just wish labels were more competitive and and Curb didn’t just give the #1 to Rhett.
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Post by Naos on Jun 19, 2019 12:09:03 GMT -5
It seems like he might get the Billboard #1, because they’re really pushing this hard. This has gained 606 spins and 3.741 million AI since Sunday and is on track to surpass Lee Brice in 3 or 4 days unless Lee starts gaining more strongly. This has been a big hit, so I don’t have any objection to it hitting #1 on both charts, but I just wish labels were more competitive and and Curb didn’t just give the #1 to Rhett. I feared this wouldn't go to #1 a few days ago, but yeah, he could actually get it. And while it's still gaining on Hot AC, it's taken a hit on sales and streaming. I do hope it can hit a higher peak than #32 on the Hot 100, but I'm not sure if it can.
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Post by Wackadoodle on Jun 20, 2019 14:30:30 GMT -5
This is now looking like a Billboard #1, too, unfortunately. It's a shame to see bigger hits like "Miss Me More" and "Love Someone" get blocked while a song that has a ratio of one in five listeners disapproving gets a Billboard #1. *clutches pearls*
I listened to the other songs y'all recommended and while I wasn't impressed, "Notice" sounds like the next big hit imo.
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Post by Naos on Jun 20, 2019 14:42:16 GMT -5
This is now looking like a Billboard #1, too, unfortunately. It's a shame to see bigger hits like "Miss Me More" and "Love Someone" get blocked while a song that has a ratio of one in five listeners disapproving gets a Billboard #1. Well, clearly there weren't big enough "hits" to get streamed and bought as much as this one. If listeners liked those songs more, you think they'd actually consume it more. If people like "Love Someone" so much, why weren't a lot of people streaming or buying it?
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Post by raylatch98 on Jun 20, 2019 14:45:09 GMT -5
This is now looking like a Billboard #1, too, unfortunately. It's a shame to see bigger hits like "Miss Me More" and "Love Someone" get blocked while a song that has a ratio of one in five listeners disapproving gets a Billboard #1. *clutches pearls* I listened to the other songs y'all recommended and while I wasn't impressed, "Notice" sounds like the next big hit imo. I can maybe see "Miss Me More" but how excluding callout scores is "Love Someone" a bigger hit than "Look What God Gave Her"? Sales, streaming, chart performance on the Hot 100 vastly prefer "Look What God Gave Her". I think you rely a little too heavily on callout scores to determine what is a hit when there are so many other factors beyond that.
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Post by Wackadoodle on Jun 20, 2019 14:54:32 GMT -5
This is now looking like a Billboard #1, too, unfortunately. It's a shame to see bigger hits like "Miss Me More" and "Love Someone" get blocked while a song that has a ratio of one in five listeners disapproving gets a Billboard #1. Well, clearly there weren't big enough "hits" to get streamed and bought as much as this one. If listeners liked those songs more, you think they'd actually consume it more. If people like "Love Someone" so much, why weren't a lot of people streaming or buying it? This is now looking like a Billboard #1, too, unfortunately. It's a shame to see bigger hits like "Miss Me More" and "Love Someone" get blocked while a song that has a ratio of one in five listeners disapproving gets a Billboard #1. *clutches pearls* I listened to the other songs y'all recommended and while I wasn't impressed, "Notice" sounds like the next big hit imo. I can maybe see "Miss Me More" but how excluding callout scores is "Love Someone" a bigger hit than "Look What God Gave Her"? Sales, streaming, chart performance on the Hot 100 vastly prefer "Look What God Gave Her". I think you rely a little too heavily on callout scores to determine what is a hit when there are so many other factors beyond that. Y'all, we've been through this a million times lol. The people downloading and buying songs are just a few people compared to the huge audience listening to country radio. Not to mention Kelsea and Brett's albums are way older than Thomas' and many people could've already bought the entire album. Basically, Kelsea and Brett had way bigger hits, but ran into worse timing and weaker labels. Big Machine managed to sneak in a week at the top for Thomas in between massive hits, while Kelsea and Brett ran out of luck and peaked at #2. Thomas will fall really hard next week and I'd venture to guess he gets way less recurrent airplay than Brett and maybe a little bit less recurrent play than Kelsea. Not sure about the latter yet, though. Anyway, we'll see what's next from Thomas, but I'm afraid he's falling into the same trap as Luke Bryan of just releasing boring crap no one really wants to hear but radio takes to #1 consistently just because he's already considered an A-lister. Hopefully this isn't the case. It has to stop soon, as as we've seen with the mediocre radio reaction to "Knockin' Boots" and "Look What God Gave Her," it may be the case that soon radio will stop automatically blasting A-listers all the way to #1 and try to truly evaluate which songs are truly the biggest hits. raylatch98, I think this actually may satisfy you because if radio evaluates each hit individually instead of just writing a song off because the artist is a female or blasting a song into heavy rotation because the artist is an A-lister, the likely result will be that the females who do have hit records will start to get noticed and will get converted more easily. For example, Runaway June's "Buy My Own Drinks" is actually testing okay, and radio seems to be finally taking note of that and slowly converting it, so they may get a chance to go top 10 or better due to radio testing each song and evaluating every single individually based on callout instead of just making broad assumptions based on labels like "female" or "A-lister." I think this will work out for the better and improve ratings. Only time will tell.
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Post by Kanenrá:ke on Jun 20, 2019 15:02:31 GMT -5
Well, clearly there weren't big enough "hits" to get streamed and bought as much as this one. If listeners liked those songs more, you think they'd actually consume it more. If people like "Love Someone" so much, why weren't a lot of people streaming or buying it? I can maybe see "Miss Me More" but how excluding callout scores is "Love Someone" a bigger hit than "Look What God Gave Her"? Sales, streaming, chart performance on the Hot 100 vastly prefer "Look What God Gave Her". I think you rely a little too heavily on callout scores to determine what is a hit when there are so many other factors beyond that. Y'all, we've been through this a million times lol. The people downloading and buying songs are just a few people compared to the huge audience listening to country radio. Just curious here...you do know that for Callout they don't poll the whole audience, it's a really really small number of people. Streaming and downloading is a much bigger audience than the Callout people. Plus the passion needed to download or choose what to stream shows what is a bigger hit with people than radio does. The only thing you can't measure with the two is if it's only country listeners downloading. Point being in noway was "Love Someone" a bigger hit than "Look What God Gave Her". "Miss Me More" I'd have to look at the numbers again but I believe it was smaller as well.
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Post by Wackadoodle on Jun 20, 2019 15:04:54 GMT -5
Y'all, we've been through this a million times lol. The people downloading and buying songs are just a few people compared to the huge audience listening to country radio. Just curious here...you do know that for Callout they don't poll the whole audience, it's a really really small number of people. Streaming and downloading is a much bigger audience than the Callout people. Plus the passion needed to download or choose what to stream shows what is a bigger hit with people than radio does. The only thing you can't measure with the two is if it's only country listeners downloading. Point being in noway was "Love Someone" a bigger hit than "Look What God Gave Her". "Miss Me More" I'd have to look at the numbers again but I believe it was smaller as well. Yeah, I'm familiar with the procedure, but that's a small sample that's supposed to be representative of the larger audience, right? It's the same as political polling, which generally tends to be pretty accurate within a margin of error of a few points.
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Post by g8erboi on Jun 20, 2019 15:05:55 GMT -5
Well, clearly there weren't big enough "hits" to get streamed and bought as much as this one. If listeners liked those songs more, you think they'd actually consume it more. If people like "Love Someone" so much, why weren't a lot of people streaming or buying it? I can maybe see "Miss Me More" but how excluding callout scores is "Love Someone" a bigger hit than "Look What God Gave Her"? Sales, streaming, chart performance on the Hot 100 vastly prefer "Look What God Gave Her". I think you rely a little too heavily on callout scores to determine what is a hit when there are so many other factors beyond that. The people downloading and buying songs are just a few people compared to the huge audience listening to country radio. Basically, Kelsea and Brett had way bigger hits, but ran into worse timing and weaker labels. Okay, well the people participating in callout research are just a few people compared to the huge audience listening to country radio, lol. What is it, like 2000 people only? I realize how statistics works, but I really don't think this is representative. No disrespect, but your logic is extremely flawed. Seeing you actually say things like Brett had a way bigger hit blows my mind. Do you really think the songs that test well at radio but don't move the needle at all when it comes to outside consumption are going to be remembered more down the road, just because people don't change the station when these songs are on air? The Hot 100 and Hot Country Songs charts are the real indicator of what's a smash hit and what isn't, and I'm flabbergasted you don't realize this by now.
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Post by Naos on Jun 20, 2019 15:12:47 GMT -5
Y'all, we've been through this a million times lol. The people downloading and buying songs are just a few people compared to the huge audience listening to country radio. Not to mention Kelsea and Brett's albums are way older than Thomas' and many people could've already bought the entire album. Basically, Kelsea and Brett had way bigger hits, but ran into worse timing and weaker labels. Big Machine managed to sneak in a week at the top for Thomas in between massive hits, while Kelsea and Brett ran out of luck and peaked at #2. Thomas will fall really hard next week and I'd venture to guess he gets way less recurrent airplay than Brett and maybe a little bit less recurrent play than Kelsea. Not sure about the latter yet, though. Anyway, we'll see what's next from Thomas, but I'm afraid he's falling into the same trap as Luke Bryan of just releasing boring crap no one really wants to hear but radio takes to #1 consistently just because he's already considered an A-lister. Hopefully this isn't the case. It has to stop soon, as as we've seen with the mediocre radio reaction to "Knockin' Boots" and "Look What God Gave Her," it may be the case that soon radio will stop automatically blasting A-listers all the way to #1 and try to truly evaluate which songs are truly the biggest hits. We've been through this a million times, because you keep bringing it up. I didn't know they literally polled every person who listens to country radio asking how they felt about the song. Radio is a passive listening experience, anyway. Also, are you forgetting "Love Someone" had a similar strong push for #1, but ended up getting blocked by Morgan Wallen's much bigger hit "Whiskey Glasses"? Radio is evaluating. Callout isn't the only thing that matters. If a song a radio station plays is getting a lot of streams and downloads, they're not going to care much what the callout says. Especially since it's a small pool of people. If they were bigger hits, they would've done better on the Hot 100, and this is clearly not the case, as this song is currently in the 30s. If "God's Country" was getting low callout (I doubt it is), the fact you'd consider that a smaller hit than "Miss Me More" and "Love Someone" is asinine.
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Post by Wackadoodle on Jun 20, 2019 15:14:35 GMT -5
The people downloading and buying songs are just a few people compared to the huge audience listening to country radio. Basically, Kelsea and Brett had way bigger hits, but ran into worse timing and weaker labels. Okay, well the people participating in callout research are just a few people compared to the huge audience listening to country radio, lol. What is it, like 2000 people only? I realize how statistics works, but I really don't think this is representative. No disrespect, but your logic is extremely flawed. Seeing you actually say things like Brett had a way bigger hit blows my mind. Do you really think the songs that test well at radio but don't move the needle at all when it comes to outside consumption are going to be remembered more down the road, just because people don't change the station when these songs are on air? The Hot 100 and Hot Country Songs charts are the real indicator of what's a smash hit and what isn't, and I'm flabbergasted you don't realize this by now. Honestly, I don't know for sure if "Love Someone" is going to be remembered more than this in the future simply because this had a long chart run and radio might want to get rid of it and forget about it quickly after 50 weeks. But I do think "Love Someone" was preferred by tens of millions of radio listeners over this simply based on the research. I'd venture to guess both songs don't end up too high on the recurrent chart, but Brett's record ends up a bit higher than this, and it would've been even higher if radio hadn't taken so long to notice it. That causes the song to run up a high burn rate. So far, Brett's showing a burn rate that ranks as the seventh highest on the whole chart, while Thomas has the third highest burn rate among listeners. So both songs will probably be quickly forgotten, but Brett's record might get just a bit more recurrent airplay than this, depending on local numbers and how tired radio stations are of both songs. Replying to Naos because I can't figure out how to edit a quote into a post, I think Morgan blocked Brett due to better callout and the age of the song. Radio was less burnt on Morgan's record than Brett's because "Whiskey Glasses" didn't take quite as long to take off as "Love Someone" did. And while callout doesn't literally poll every listener, it polls a random sample to determine what the larger population is thinking. I think so far it's worked pretty well. Just look at how well opinion polls have estimated election results.
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